wehateporn

Pros/cons? Your experience?

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I read fisting, never mind.

wehateporn

You can start a thread about that too

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You have to relax your hand and curl in you fingers.
It helps if she is lubed up, too.

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some nice deep breaths will help as well.

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Maybe by page 3 we'll get the right answer

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I'm 6 hours into my first fast

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I recommend fasting before fisting, always.

that said, I fast daily 14-16 hours ~every day.

there are no cons.

WDF

Make sure you have no other health issues before attempting a long fast.

Fasting in part was how I found out I was a diabetic a few years ago.

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What made you start?

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Did you pass out?

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dyna mo

health. I'm diabetic. best way to control blood sugar is to control sugar going into the sytem. so 16 hours a day my glucose is much easier to moderate. fewer meals in a smaller feeding window is healthier all around.

+ more health reasons, the eating 5-6x a day to lose weight, be healthy, etc, is BS. eating more isn't the answer, eating less is. less food, less frequency, every thing.

I use the iintermittent fasting protocols.

The Porn Nerd

I would not recommend fisting for six hours.
Too much friction burn. :D

Fasting is a great way to cleanse your system just be careful as vitamins and nutrients are leeced out of your system while fasting. Maybe drink some juice every once ina while.

Good luck!!

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dyna mo

cleansing your system is a myth.

bronco67

I do it about 5 days a week.

I stop at eating at around 6pm and wait until around 12 to eat the next day, so my average is about 18 hours. Sometimes I go a full 24 hours.

The theory is that if there's no glycogen stored for energy, you'll go straight to the fat for fuel. If this is true, then eating before doing cardio makes no sense.

Anyway, I noticed a marked difference in my fat loss rate when I started about 9 months ago. One thing I like is how fasting changes your relationship with food when your eating window shrinks. You get acquainted with hunger, and start you realize you're not going to die if you go a long time without eating. I love that period of the morning after I wake up until my first meal --- I have great mental focus and energy, and do an intense workout usually before my meal. ...and that first bite is always extra delicious.

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I think it was Dyna Mo who originally told me about intermittent fasting come to think of it.. I've been doing it almost exclusively for the last 3 years now without issues. It may take a day or two to get used to if you normally eat breakfasts, especially high sugar ones but you get used to it fast. A cup of coffee with coconut oil in the mornings helps I find as well. The oil doesn't raise insulin levels and is a healthy fat.

I love breakfast food so I often eat that for lunch or dinner instead.

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aka123

There is absolutely no need to fast, unless you eat constantly right now, and then the solution is to get healthy eating habits, not fasting.

If you want to lose weight, it is much better to eat, but less than your body uses. That way your digestive channel doesn't get any crisis, that would be the result from days fast, and you don't faint because of the lack of eating, etc.

Not eating for prolonged time period would lead to a loss of important microorganisms living in your digestive channel. Thus reducing your immune system and the ability to process food.

SplatterMaster

Supposedly fasting for a few days is good for you. I haven't tried it yet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...udy-finds.html

aka123

Not really, it is called going to shit or to piss.

The Porn Nerd

No it isn't, it depends on your system.

You obviously have very little compacted fecal matter in your bowels due to your workouts and constant fasting. But for me (and others), when I went to the chiro a number of years back and had x-rays taken we could see about 35 lbs of compacted fecal matter that had plastered itself against the walls of my colon, bowels, etc. No wonder my back hurt so bad!

A two week cleaning diet cleaned out that shit (literally) and I have had no issues since.

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Choopa Phil

I would love to give IF a try but eating 4.2k cal in a 6 hour window is not doable. Any guys with experience with this?

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‘Detoxing is nonsense,’ says BDA spokesperson Rick Miller. ‘It’s a complete fallacy that the body needs to detox. Removal of waste products and toxins is a continuous process and we don’t need to periodically flush them out. The body does a perfectly good job of eliminating any substances on its own.’

Miller says detoxing has its origins in the early 20th century, with autointoxication theory – the idea that disease was caused by waste products building up in the body. ‘This was debunked in the 1930s but the term seems to have prevailed and it keeps cropping up,’ he says. ‘In a medical sense, the term detoxing describes treatments administered to patients to minimise withdrawal from drug or alcohol addiction.’



http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/24/the-de...uices-4675501/


But the idea that your body needs help getting rid of toxins has "no basis in human biology," says Frank Sacks, MD, of the Harvard School of Public Health. Your organs and immune system handle those duties, no matter what you eat.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/detox-diets

dyna mo

martin over at IF crams that # of cals into 1 meal sometimes.

but also split it up, 2 2100 cal meals very doable, IMO. Especially coordinating them with your workouts. gorge after a heavy leg session for instance. then pass out for a 2 hour nap.

aka123

How about healthy eating, like eating food containing enough fibers, etc.? And won't shitting that compacted shit hurt in the first place, telling something is wrong?

WDF

It was a 2 day fast.

I became very weak and confused, almost passed out, and tried to compensate with stuff like Gatorade, fruit juice, and then ate a meal. After normal eating for several days my blood sugar spiked to over 700 mg/l, it was unmeasurable by the ER portables. I had gone from a low blood sugar event that nearly caused me to pass out/become comatose, less then ~60mg/l to diabetic ketoacidosis, >700mg/l. My A1C was in the low 15 high 14 range.

My diet before fasting was fairly good at controlling my sugar according to the doctors. They believe I stopped producing natural insulin to break down sugars a few years earlier.

I do not go to doctors unless I am really ill and had been healthy since 2006.

When you start any type of fast or drastically reduced intake diet/event it is best to consult a doctor and/or monitor certain critical life functions.

Age is a factor also, keep in mind I was over 50 when it was discovered.

I was told my case is not uncommon.

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I would add that if you're going to do it, don't jump into the deep end first.

Add an hour to your fasting period each week. My friend tried it and couldn't stick with it because he went straight to 18 hours, and couldn't handle the hunger. You'll know you're good when being hungry doesn't bother you anymore.

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In college I would go on a bender and fast for 3 days or so. Does that count? Good Times those were. I did it to pay my respects to the beautiful gods of Columbia. I had to convert eventually but the memories were worth it.

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Grapesoda

for me, mental clarity goes after about 5 days.... can't focus enough to even drive a car .. feel great physically though...

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Fasting is awsome. If you a noobie i suggest you fast on natural coconut water first.

PaperstreetWinston

Amen with the coconut water. Electrolytes galore.

Fasting puts your body back in line. Its basically re-establishing the mind's authority above everything else.

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Klen

I did it,lost 25 kg that way.

The Porn Nerd

Well I was not a healthy eater when I was young but I am now. I feel no need for such a cleansing these days.

What I used was the half a lemon with cayenne pepper cleanse, which seemd to break up the compacted problem area. LOL

I realize some MDs say cleansing is not necessary but some peolpe take it too far, and cleanse constantly. That is wrong, I think. But if x-rays and other blood tests indicate something is 'backed up' then I think it's a good thing. Hey, worked for me is all I know. LOL

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WDF

Why does every discussion here sooner or later turn to "crap"? lol

We go from fasting and health risks (not expected on an adult webmasters forum) to Impacted Feces! LMFAO

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It's a natural progression....plus, I have diarrhea of the mouth. :D

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aka123

One of the best ways to avoid digestive channel problems is:

To eat bread like this.



And not like this.




It also avoids you having heart and vein problems, since your veins expand heavily when you eat high clycemic index food like white bread, corn flakes and such. And when you do it over and over again, your veins don't really like it. They start to harden, if I remember correctly.

Choopa Phil

And just stick with my current 40/40/20 carb/protein/fat breakdown? My current diet keeps me around 6-7% im wondering if this would perhaps kickstart some additional fatloss

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I don't know. I don't see why not but my experience ends at 7% bf. But I would wager IF would kickstaet that.

According to this research it should and t will certainly increase you HGH and more.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/imc-sfr033111.php


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/

http://mljohnson.pharm.virginia.edu/pdfs/167.pdf

john1975

very true. All workout / pre-workout drinks don't work anymore after a period of time....our bodies get used to them. Pseudoephedrine works great...but you gotta ask for it at the pharmacy. Your wired all day and don't feel like eating...and just feel like working out or concentrating on stuff. It's not something I recommend daily as it speeds ur heart up. But I just got a ton of website stuff done today.. never fails to motivate.

Another good one...and this ones natural : L-Tyrosine . Natural dopamine pumper. Combined with natural DHA = even better. (non-fish related) These 2 keep you motivated all day. For a lot of people fasting / exercising is too boring and motivation is most lacking.

Stay under 2000 calories a day...and you'll lose a little weight each day. (right down EVERYTHING you eat....even if it's just a small handful of chips...it all adds up) If you don't eat anything at all all day...you basically burn a pound of fat each day. (drink all the water you want though) 0 calories.

Once your really start burning through fat, your skin gets a sticky, very oily sweat and feels pretty gross...but atleast u know ur burning good. As ur body slowly starts consuming itself.

Watch an episode of Naked & Afraid. Just about all participants lose 25 to 30 pounds in 21 days....due to lack of food. Problem is were too spoiled and yummy food is everywhere.

use calorie free or very low calorie endorphin boosters...like hot sauce , herb ox sodium free chicken boullian , low sodium soy sauce. put all 3 in a large cup of hot water.....drink...and you won't feel like eating for hours. total calories = 10.

drink coffee with stevia and low calorie creamers. total calories for a large cup = 100 or less.

other natural and calorie free endorphin boosters : Horse Radish , Mustard , Onion powder , Garlic Powder

major workout motivation : Testosterone Cream. U can order it online...AndroForte is what I use...works amazing. (rage type energy)

best energy drink = Absolutely Zero Monster Energy Drink. (0 calories )

maybe too much testosterone cream and sudafed today, as u can tell from this long post.. in perfect shape though.... 6'2" 195.

EDIT : forgot to mention a low calorie Fiber Supplement = mandatory as well. Since nothings really flowing through your intestines, you need something to absord all the junk / fat...so u can poop it out. Otherwise you feel like crapola all day. Fiber Choice or those new gummy ones are fine.

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Even tho I am the whitest white person I know, I have not touched 'white bread' in decades. Whole wheat is the lowest I go. LOL I like 12 grain bread.

I basically have a "policy" tho I break it from time to time: no white food. The color white. LOL

In fact, the more greens (live greens, like salads and spinach and broccoli) the better. Green = healthy.

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Choopa Phil

Ezekiel is the best! Ill sub my oats in the mornign for some ezekiel, just dont make the mistake of leaving it out of the freezee

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first off it takes at least 72 hours for any of this bullshit 'crisis mode'to even begin so you can throw this argument out the window, nobody is talking about fasting for a week here..

second, counting calories all the time is a set up for failure, nobody wants to do this all the time and nobody will do this over long periods of time. by shortening up your eating windows you end up eating less in the process. which is much easier to maintain long term.

good luck with your microorganisms..

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aka123

72 hours? From where you get that? And have we established some time frame for the fast? The digestion channel crisis begins when you are out of "poo", well actually it begins before that, but lets not be too literate.

I didn't talk anything about counting calories. I talked about eating less. That is not some brain surgery. Eat half from what you eat normally, if your normal eating is balanced, or eat 2/3 from the normal if you are brain surgeon and can handle all that math.