SuckOnThis

Whats your theory as to why all major diseases are increasing at the rate they are?

aka123

What major diseases? More like they have lessened, but here is short guessed list:

Fat ass = eating too much
Joint, back, etc. problems = eating too much + lack of exercise
Allergies = lack of exposure to real threats (living in too sterile environment)
Birth defects = increased environment toxication
Resistant bacterias = improper/ too excessive use of antibiotics

Huge part of toxins in environment are fat-soluble and are stored in human's fat tissue.

SuckOnThis

What the fuck are you talking about? You cannot be serious. Cancer rates have went from less than 1 in 10 people fifty years ago to almost 1 in 2, diabetes is now considered an epidemic with over 350 million people worldwide having it and HALF of the US population is predicted to have it within 10 years. MS is on the rise, along with autism. Do you live in a fucking cave?

aka123

Okay, I have answers for those.

Cancer = bad eating and drinking habits + very important factor: people live older (older people are more prone for cancer)

Diabetes = bad eating and drinking habits (usually outside sign is fat ass)

I don't exactly know about autism and MS, but I know that diagnostic has developed to more sensitive direction (more people are classified to have those diseases) and actual numbers might have risen because of environment toxication, or maybe more mothers drink (alcohol) and smoke when pregnant.

dillonaire

Juice cleanse is the closest I get to fasting or not eating for a long period of time. first 3 days suck, but after that it isnt so bad.

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dyna mo

I don't have a theory on that.

Could be a number of things, the air, brain signals, I haven't thought about it. I'm always open to science though.

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re: fasting, a bit of a factoid a few here prolly know but maybe some do not.

the word *breakfast* has its etymology in the phrase *breaking fast*, i.e., ending the night's fast.

humans have been intermittent fasting for eons now, it's just the timelength of the fast needs to be longer. 12 hours from the last meal to breakfast is the bare minimum. 14 hours and you'll be making a difference. 16-18 hours is real deal maximum benefit.

another great thing about it is you get to gorge. instead of breaking up your cals into 5-6 small meals (another myth btw, to sell more food, there is no benefit whatsoever in this protocol, no, it's doesn't change metabolic rate), anyhoo, instead of a 350 calorie meal and finishing feeling hungry. you get to eat a more reasonable 500-750 or so cals per meal, you leave the table feeling full, satisfied and satiated.

and I'm with bronco, being able to control my mind re: hunger pangs is a powerful feeling.

dyna mo

again, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Don't insult the type 1 diabetics reading this.

aka123

Is that really suggested in there? In here no one starting from dentists will suggest eating 5-6 times per day, contradictory.

TheSquealer

Its difficult to think that you honestly believe you had 35 pounds of fecal matter in your system. Some jack off psuedo-science immersed idiot/fake doctor fed you a bunch of bullshit and you fell for it. You clearly have zero clue what 35 pounds is... nor does the chiropractor.

Furthermore, you can't have that large of a mass in your digestive tract and not know it. You would have a multitude of crippling symptoms.

This is 1lb of fat.

You are saying you had approximately 35 of these in your digestive tract and had no symptoms.



This is 5 lbs of fat. You are basically saying you had approximately 7 of these in your digestive tract with no negative symptoms (btw... lower back pain does not count, as lower back pain typically = large gut).



Lastly, there is not a winning answer if you do not define "fasting". Ramadan just ended and 1+ billion Muslims were "fasting" for the last 30 days from dawn until dusk. Thats hardly the same thing as just not eating for a week or two. or thinking some idiotic "juice cleanse" is actually going to do anything positive for you besides the placebo effect.

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aka123

I have exactly the idea what I am talking about. You don't need to have fat ass to have bad eating and drinking habits if you refer to that. The dieabetes numbers have risen because of bad eating and drinking habits. You are just so ignorant and try to blame someone else or seek some miracle cure, may it be fast or some pill. Start living better.

dyna mo

yes, we've been sold that 5-6 smaller meals helps hunger and more importantly, alters (speeds up) metabolism.

TheSquealer

People simply twist it and misstate it. Many smaller meals helps support a faster metabolism. It does not, in itself cause an net increase in overall metabolic rates. Generally speaking, your metabolism speeds up and slows down in proportion to the amount of food you consume, when you consume it. It does nothing to control hunger being that if you are eating clean, well balanced and calorie controlled meals, you should be hungry every few hours, timed to your meals.

Many smaller meals of the right food, also helps a great deal to regulate and stabilize blood sugar and energy levels.

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dyna mo

type 1 diabetes is fundamentally different from type 2, I wouldn't even know where to start re: sorting out your misunderstandings.

Ive had type 1 diabetes for 30 something years (long before I ever drank a beer and I've been scrawny all my life, I don't have an issue losing wiehgt I have an issue gaining weight.

and I have more understanding of diabetes than I do most any other thing I am interested in.

You might want to first realize the difference between type and type 2 diabetes, they should not even be named the same disease. type 1 is an immune system disease, my immune system attacked itself and died. absolutely and completely different from you judgemental view that only lazy people who eat and drink get diabetes.

Learn.

Chosen

Me too...

aka123

European alternative is to eat low clycemic index food, which is anyways the better alternative, starting from diabetes.

TheSquealer

To be fair, most people have type 2 and insist they have a disease as if they have no ability to not shove ice cream, cookies and 2 liter bottles of coke down their throats ;)

I have relatives in this category and they get no pity from me. And when they start the "woe is me" crap around me, they get an ear full about being irresponsible and lazy.

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TheSquealer

There is nothing "European" about it. Its how any health conscious person and athlete or fitness professional anywhere in the world eats and its not a secret or something new.

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dyna mo

I wouldn't disagree with this. My comment was more along the lines of being sold the protocol as a weight-loss tool. Eating 5-6 meals is actually counter to losing weight. Another issue along those lines, it causes the body to constantly release insulin, hard to lose weight in that state. But for a diabetic? I can tell you with first hand experience maintaining proper glucose levels while eating more frequently is a massive challenge.

But there is also quite a bit of info that points towards 1 meal a day also being just fine. I haven't read up on it in a while, perhaps it's been countered and proven false.

SuckOnThis

Serious question, how old are you?

aka123

Still, the answer doesn't change, but I would like to add the previously mentioned (by me) living in too sterile environment.

And some people have genetical tendency to get diabetes, but we are not talking about that. Lets agree that you have a genetical tendency to get diabetes and your diabetes is not your fault. Okay?

aka123

So what's the deal with 5-6 meals? If not nothing else it's bad for your teeth. Why don't you do what any health conscious people would recommend?

dyna mo

I can understand that and perhaps I jumped the gun, I do find it important to try and make sure people know there is no relation whatsoever between type 1 diabetes and type 2 and I am not up to speed on type 2 other than it's not type 1). My diabetic acquaintances are all type 1 and I am the only one of either type in my fam!

TheSquealer

Yeah, i understand. I hated it in my gym, when people say this and I get tired of explaining it over and over again.

I don't know about the 1 meal thing. I would say it depends entirely on what exactly that meal consists of. 1 meal of high fructose corn syrup would likely kill you. So its not as simple as "1 meal is ok". 1 meal of low/no carbs and being in a constant state of ketosis... sure.

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SuckOnThis

I take it you take insulin, have you ever had a serious hypoglycemic episode? Thats some scary shit there.

aka123

Over 30 years old. What that has to do with anything? If you have some argument, say it. I don't ask your wifes, kids or pets names either, since those are irrelevant.

john1975

wow...I typed all that up for you guys..and nobody cares.

kidding...

forgot to mention sugar free Popsicles (orange flavor = best) curbs the appetite as well.

bronco67

A smaller eating window also helps with the whole "less eating" thing. Giving yourself a window makes it difficult to get excess calories.

One other benefit -- and I don't if this is true -- but a long fast supposedly spikes your growth hormones by %1000 during a short phase.

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Since some posters include sleeping time in their numbers, I also fast for 8, 10 or 12 hours almost daily

dyna mo

yes. both hypo and hyper. The absolute worst hypO episode happened while I was in the hospital. the doctor handling my meds was not my regular doctor and presribed his own insulin schedule for me, the amount was ~10x more than I need per shot. I tried to tell the nurse as i was passing out.........................

they have an emergency glucose kit there they gave me to bring me back, that one was very close. they used 3 of those kits on me that day.

TheSquealer

I have never heard anyone make the argument that eating like a human being is "bad for your teeth". Anyone that's serious about health and fitness and weight loss, eats like this. Proper food, divided among say 4 meals with 2 snacks, enables your body to maintain stable blood sugar levels for stable energy through the day and it helps your body, with exercise and proper diet to sustain a higher metabolic rate, allowing you to eat eat more food (for growth and repair/recovery) and subsequently burn more calories in a day, experience less fatigue etc etc etc.

People mistakenly say "eating several small meals speeds up your metabolism" but thats not how it works. Your metabolic rate is always in direct relation to the quantity of food you eat, when you eat it. In other words, not eating breakfast, means having less energy as you start your day.. then eating a large lunch to compensate, means a spike in energy (proportionate to how much you ate), followed by a crash (proportionate to the up-spike in energy)... then you likely need a nap, then you eat dinner, have no energy... and play xbox and fall asleep.

If you exercise, you have to eat right regardless.

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aka123

Now you heard, maybe that's the European knowledge part you haven't heard about? The stuff in your spit doesn't have enough time to combat all kinds of shit in your mouth if you eat and drink all the time (besides water).

And I seriously don't care that "Anyone that's serious about health and fitness and weight loss, eats like this." Many American thing is something we take example from, me including, but American way of eating is just joke outside America. You are famous for eating shitty and pseudo diets and feeding habits fall into this category.

Varius

I tried a 10-day water fast (only water, nothing else) in January and it worked great.

I was drinking 8L - 10L water a day.

Day 1, mental hunger but nothing drastic.
Day 2, start getting foggy as you switch into Ketosis
Day 3, feel like you have a major hangover, from water
Day 4, start feeling more energetic and way less hungry
Day 5-10, feel awesome, no ill effects and very much more aware and alert

If not for social commitments (I had to go to Vegas for a bachelor party that weekend) I would have liked to continue it longer.

Everyone is different, but here are my conclusions:

- It was not dangerous in the least to do it for this short period of time. I guess it could be if you have existing medical conditions?
- I did not ease in, or ease out of the fasting period (in fact, I probably went and drank/ate a ton that weekend in Vegas, immediately following). I felt no problems from this.
- I saw no signs my metabolism was any slower upon breaking the fast.
- I did drop about ~22 lbs those 10 days, mostly all water weight and fat (thanks to being in ketosis) and despite going back to bad habits afterwards on purpose to see how the 'rebound' was, only about 50% of the weight came back within the next few months (including that most of that returned weight was likely water weight, due to ingesting carbs again).
- Months later, I still get full quicker than before (stomach likely shrank a bit during that period closer to its normal, fist-sized state).

I would like to do a 30-day one, as I'd like to prove the theory/idea that after 23 days, your hypothalamus should re-set itself and you will find unnatural foods to be disgusting and crave nutrient-rich foods.

However, it's pretty damn hard to do 30 days of only water if you live in a sociable city, go out, etc...(here in NYC, food + drink are a big part of going out).

You would basically, have to become a hermit for those 30 days to pull the experiment off.

Additionally, you should mostly forego exercise so you don't end up burning muscle mass off.

I think the main thing between the results of water-only, or other 'cleanse/fasts' is they contain sugar (juice fasts, the maple syrup or honey/cayenne/water/lemon ones, etc...) and thus you do not achieve ketosis, you simply achieve under-eating.

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john1975

In 5 to 15 years from now....everybody will be skinny. As they slowly perfect the science of making delicious foods lower and lower in calories. Plus newer and better weight loss supplements will be discovered.

Just in the last couple years Raspberry Ketones and Green Coffee Extract were discovered and studies showed both really do work.

In 10 years, we might be able to eat a whole delicious pizza pie for just 50 calories.

wehateporn

Amazing how many others have been doing this

First day got to 9 hours then gave in, I'm fasting 1 in 2 days from here, bit of an experiment.

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dehash

I did it. First time I tried for 7 days. Only water and hot water. Had little headache because of detoxication couple days. On day 4 think had feeling that I am like a feather, all feelings got a little bit sharper. It was good experience. You have to get back to normal diet slowly, can't just jump back on regular food next day.
Also did few times 1 and 2 days.

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The Porn Nerd

You seriously need to get a life.
Fat is not the same as compacted fecal matter due to years of a poor diet.
Then again, I would think you would know all about fecal matter as this is what you sling here on a regular basis.

Now please go waste your time with someone else, there are plenty here who need your insights and obvious intelligence.

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TheSquealer

The obvious point which clealry escaped you is the mass. To further enlighten you, muscle is only 20% more dense than fat. So do the math, ...unless your poop is more dense than hardened steel, you're 100% full of shit. And you are clueless to think you had 35 pounds of anything in your colon.... and didn't even know about it.

The Porn Nerd

OK buh-bye now.

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bronco67

Uh...people, you don't need to starve yourself for a week. Fasting doesn't mean starving.

I don't think too many good things could come from depriving your body of nutrition for days.

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wehateporn

Back on the fisting...errr...fasting today

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Choopa Phil

The lack of health and nutritional knowledge on this forum and in every day life is astounding. 10 days without food and only water would have us emaciated and half dead

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Hentaikid

Fasted yesterday, gonna have a pizza with friends later on so this'll be a short one. Did 4 days in a row my first time. Very sleepy in the afternoons.

I suspect the "fasting during the day" only that say the muslims do is harder to maintain, as if you eat nothing at all your body gets used to the idea but eating a lot at night must be making you extra hungry during the day.

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most people dont have the balls to fast because you have to do with your emotional baggage.

wehateporn

Probably true, day 4 for me

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Choopa_Pardo

Eat proper meals, no junk food, get some exercise in.

Fasting is the worst. I wrestled and cut a lot of weight in season for years and will never do that shit again.

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wehateporn

Cutting weight is fine for me as I'm not a fighter, even when I'm slim and fit I still weigh over 220 pounds

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wehateporn

Weight is coming down quick, seems to work

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SilentKnight

Same here.

Some sort of Pavlovian thing maybe?