The Truth Hurts

I love america, and I disagree with the supreme court.

oh, and 50.

[Labret]

says the guy advocating thought police.

PeeFee

Ok, let's assume this is REAL CONFIRMED information from VISA:
Since August, 15 2003 the following niches will be illegal according to new VISA rules:

Models under 24 y.o. are illegal. Fuck, do you really think you want to watch 23 y.o. girl fucking? You are fucking pervert.

Models over 32 y.o. are illegal. Do you like to see mature ladies? - You are pervert!!

Gay sites. This is sick. No more gay sites.

Blowjob - Mother Nature is against this.

Drunk girls - drunk girls can be compared to underage girls.

All following fetish sites are illegal:
anal bdsm beast bizarre dildo fat footfetish pissing etc. etc.
Why? Because people who watches this are perverts, sick people.
And this is bad for our people.
FUCK, do you really this that forbidding anything can stop people from searching and purchasing it???

And who are you to judge what's good and what's bad???

The witch hunt is just starting.

dingo

WE are all against Illigal content as it will only bring all Adult webmasters down. The problem here isnt with what VISA is saying yay or nay to. Its the fact that they are doing it full stop.

I am not really experienced in the adult game but I do know that the only way to change something is to put your/our views forward to the people we have the issue with. If enough people bagged out and had a go at VISA then maybe we could get things back the way they were. If we had not only webmasters but also surfers having a go at VISA I would say they may sit up and listen.

Just a thought.

What goes around comes around!!

tolik

next time they say what groupsex or hardcore illegal

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The Truth Hurts

Isn't that what you're doing as well?
Only you take it to the next level, thought execution.

[Labret]

When did I say the government should kill you? Im merely speaking for myself. Would it be nice if the government rounded all you dumb motherfuckers up and ground you into soylent green? Why of course it would be, but I know thats only just my own fantasy.

In your world, what I just said would be illegal.

Do you see your own sickness yet?

dingo

It does not matter if the Act is Real or Fantasy. As an ex cop crimes against children are reprehensable and should be punished to the full extent of national or international Law. We as adult webmasters need to stand up and say that we do not want our kids being used abused and destroyed by some sick fucks. The world is hard enough for the young as it is lets not make things worse. Lets assist VISA in atleast one area of there rediculous endevour and make sure you sick fucks out there who enjoy kidy porn are fried and never grace the Adult world again. We dont need kidy porn there is enough good fun and interesting LEGAL content out there. AND I DONT CARE IF ITS LEGAL IN YOUR COUNTRY!!

[Labret]

drinking and posting is bad. goodnight.

NewView

Who is starting about Kiddyporn.

NOT ME!!

dingo

Just a rapid recovery here. I love the US even though I dont live there. My last post was purely directed at kidy porn!!

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The Truth Hurts

Now here's where I apply your logic, to you.

I guess in your world, it'd be perfectly fine for you to go around raping every girl you see, with your finger in my cats ass, while you spank the little girl next door for shitting on your kiddy porn collection?


See how silly it is when you overextend specific points into broad generalizations?

Gman.357

huh?

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The Truth Hurts

......oh... and then posting pics and videos of it all on the net, and demanding visa process your transactions.

dingo

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Do you hate America or do you agree with the U.S. Supreme Court that virtual child porn should be legal under the Constitution?


There was discussion about fantasy kidy porn being allowed by the US Supreme court.

It doesnt matter if its kiddy porn or rape or beast, it should be illigal.

The Other Steve

But isn't that done here on GFY multiple times every day?

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MicroChick

Take an ANGER pill, Carrie! Jeez!


"Fucking an innocent animal that cannot speak up for itself or defend itself is fucking wrong - and anyone who does it needs to be shot in the fucking head." Carrie quote.

Who made you the cheerleader for animals?

I personally have never seen an animal getting fucked. I have seen many a horse, dog, pig, and donkey fuck their brains out, but they were doing the fucking. I saw Linda Lovelace get fucked and sucked by a dog.

When do you have the time to watch such stuff when you have a business to run and a family to feed? Shame on you!

I'm against rape 100% in real life. But, are we supposed to eliminate all rape scenes in movies that are rated PG? Are all rape fantasies to be eliminated? WE ARE BEING RAPED BY VISA AND ACACIA. That is the type of rape that should be addressed. What if the actresses do not say NO when they are allegedly being raped.

Shit & Piss may be disgusting to many, but should it be banned? I thought the two were common every day bodily functions.

Animals eat shit all the time and play with it. Carrie, why not report such vile animal acts to the humane society so they can capture these animals and train them to be shit-free compliant!

dingo

Hey guys a question from my wife who is an Intensive Care Nurse. She wants to know where the thrill and sexual pleasure comes from scat???? She has to clean crap up regularly and cant see the whole draw and suggested these people who are interested in scat become nurses lol.

NewView

Could not say that better

MissEve

rockbear

It's not scary at all...Visa know what to do. all the things that you told us are illegal so for this time Visa

geps

well I guess that each country should be ruled by different VISA regulations, so if in US beast is illegal, but in europe it's not, VISA should do business with beast in europe only... it's not up to VISA to judge whats right or wrong in a society... its up the own society... if VISA bans beast in a place where it's legal determined by it's community, VISA shouldn't do business at all in this place... then we would see some coerence there.... VISA want's to go over laws made by people in it's own countries... and that's too much for me...

I don't process beast, rape neither scat, but I really belive it's up to the own community to made those judgments... at least this is what we know about law issues...

PrettyCarla

I am in real life a girl who cannot get pleasure from sex if there is not light forced role play or light spanking from my partner. I had terrible problems in it with my first husband and i am glad my partner i am now living with is able to play such games exactly as i need. I met several girls who are in similar situation. I hate violence, i feel very sorry for each woman she was forced to do anything she did not want to do, i am scared of being really raped from anybody different than my partner, i need to believe my parner he will not start this game when i do not want it, because i know it would hurt me much mentally.

Can you imagine my situation when i was 18 years old? There was no internet, i was feeling i am the only different girl at the world, that i cannot share my thoughts with anybody because they would tell me i am sick, i protect rapist, or in the worst case some ugly man could try to rape me in real what i did never want.

Maybe i would not be alive now if internet did not start. Who knows. First i browsed sites as girl's named Lorelai, i found Laura Werner's Spanking Corner, some other national ones and i knew i am not alone. Then i met my today parner and i turned to enjoy my life. But i feel a little bit shame till now that i get aroused in situation which would hurt many other women at my place. On the opposite it hurts me very much when somebody compares me, my partner and my friends to some ugly criminals. Difficult to find the truth, isn't it?

Krusty

HAHAHAHA you could get shot saying that on here!!

DJRCyberAVS

As people have already said, it's got little do with law, censorship or community standards. It's like a TGP setting rules... you play by their rules or you don't get listed and even risk being banned from future use. VISA doesn't want to process or have their name associated with beast, rape etc because it's their choice....

strainer

I run
www.fareastmedia.com

I'm more than a bit concerned by this rumor as the web site has what some people would consider very hard spanking. (Its nowhere near the brutal sadistic level you see at some sites, though)

I consider my site extremely female surfer friendly. In fact, I get an AMAZING percentage of female members, WAY more than a regular site.

My take is that its an extremely common fantasy - by both sexes - and nothing to feel guilty about. Nobody ever says anything about the millions of guys going to female dominatrix but let a guy start whacking a girls butt and all hell breaks loose.

To put me further out on a limb, the site features hard spanking + hardcore, even more taboo.

Oh well, there is always checks and mastercard!

scooby doo as scooby does

So many issues here.

I'm from the UK. Legal age of consent here is sixteen. Human nature being what it is, that means there's a fair amount of fifteen year old girls having sex, and even a few fourteen year olds. I would not have a problem creating a sex site featuring sixteen year old girls from the UK. It's all consensual (in fact, you do need parents/guardians permission to photograph <18 in UK). Many in US would consider that (16-17) underage. I think their mentally retarded, but that's because I grew up with shagging sixteen year olds. It's all in the culture. That said, I would not go near <16 and real kiddie porn just plain wrong.

The age of consent is just a number. For some people it's the right number, for a lot it's the wrong number, possibly even to low at eighteen for some. And culture has a lot to do with where the right number is.

The netherlands and other european countries have lower ages of consent. I believe some might even go as low as fourteen. They are not backward third world countries. Their culture is different and they have no more social or physical problems relating to this than the US or UK does. It's all in the culture. The fact that I would blanch at fourteen year olds having sex and some Americans blanch at sixteen year olds having sex does not make me or people who live in these European countries monsters or pedophiles.

My last point is. It's not VISA's job to police this. VISA is a private company, and they can set the rules as they goddamm wish, but why the hell havn't these illegal sites been closed down by the police ? If it's because it's not truly illegal in the countries where they operate, then I do think it's a slippery slope. Scat now, Piss later, maybe anal in a couple of years. Porn in five ? Who knows ?

All in all, I am glad these sites are closing. I personally find these subjects distasteful. But somehow having the suits at VISA set morality rules for the whole world just sends a shiver down my spine, especially if they are based on rather repressed American sexual morality.

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From a totally selfish point of view, I think these new Visa prohibitions (beast/rape/scat/spanking) may be good for the industry in the long term. Although in the short term it will certainly cause a lot of pain to people affected sites.

Its been pretty obvious that Visa and Mastercard are uncomfortable processing for online porn. Without going in to the reasons for that, their actions clearly demonstate it. There has been a gradual strangling of the industry (some of it good and some of it bad) and I think there's a good chance that it will continue. I also think that at some point they may cut us off completely.

So what are the prohibitions a good thing? Because I do not believe those sorts of sites will completely disappear; there is simply too much money to be made. Those sites will find and develop alternative payment methods because connoisseurs of those genres will still want the material and be generally unable to get it offline. The same thing is already happening with casinos. Unfortunately, since there tends to be antipathy between adult and casinos, the payment systems they develop tend not to be ideal for our needs.

In short, I hope that pain inflicted on a small part of our industry today will save the industry as a whole that pain later.

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WidowSEXplorer

I think that free sites can make a compain against visa and start promoting some credit cards that don't have such policy. May be it's not a big problem for users who want to pay for porn to make another cradit crard. Something like:
"If you want to pay for porn in Internet by this card"
or something like that.
What do you think?

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The way I see it - a lot of people here are talking like VISA are censoring content. This is mistaken. VISA are not law enforcement (at least not yet). VISA can censor nothing. All they can do is decide who they want to do business with and who they do not wish to do business with.

If people want to continue running these sites they can do so (providing it's legal in their community)... it's just a little harder then it used to be without VISA. But nobody is putting them in jail or telling them they can't do it.

I think this is an important distinction because a lot of the views here seem very polarized - like it's either VISA are the thought police - or like these sites are all scum who deserve to be shot at dawn anyway so VISA are doing us a favour (yeah right).

Also given the fact we are all (or mostly) adult entertainment webmasters the latter view seems hypocritical to say the least. I can guarantee you whatever kind of site you run someone will consider it disgusting filth and that you should be prosecuted or worse for doing that. Isn't it rather sad that as adult webmasters we can't escape that kind of stupidity ourselves and think more rationally about these subjects? After all if we can't do it how can we expect anyone else (not least of all VISA) to do the same?

I guess thats my $0.02

Cogitator

When IBM became too big and powerful, people turned to Microsoft. When Microsoft became too big and powerful as well, people started turning to Linux. Visa has gotten too powerful (ironically, from taking porn transactions!) so people are going to look for a way around them. They're just screwing themselves. I'm already investigating prepaid solutions myself.

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steffie

Be careful what you wish for, next thing, its bondage, Gangbangs and god knows what else Visa sees as not appropiate.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its illegal. I personally do not care for the Fishhook stuff because I believe its very degrading to women, however its legal, the girls are legal and know what they are doing.

I think sites like BadTushy are cute and should not be closed.

Look thru your site and hope you have nothing in it that could fall into this category. Do you have any Gangbang Pictures where the girl is in the middle? That could be in the category of rape!

Don't wish for anybody to be shut down, it just gives Visa a foot in the door.

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directfiesta

I was going to quit reading till your post showed up.

I'll try to go thru another 20 mindbended posts...

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Right on!

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appleboy

shouldn't the american civil liberties union be brought in this .Fantasy and reality are two different things , it seems warning pages aren't enough ,What ever happened to freedom of speech?

Loch

See your point however that shit is NOT illigal in all countries and i for one think its scary that visa can dictate that.....

As somone mentioned they might go for hardcore gay content next which would SUCK.

Hell in some countries PORN is illigal completely

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Everyone, meet Confucy. You may recall her formerly posting here on GFY as GooeyCandy.
She loves me to the point of obssession, she can't resist responding to me - and she never fails to call me a cheerleader and mention the fact that I have a family (as if that is something rare in the adult webmaster world).

Say hi, Confucy.
Surely there are plenty of folks here who will drop a URL sometime and you can go hunt down their personal sites and then email them with nasty letters containing facts about their families... yep, definitely lots of stalking targets here.

How are things going with Serge suing your ass for stalking and harrassing him as well?

Yet another for my ignore list - this makes two now. GooeyCandy was the first.

Carrie

You guys all seem to be forgetting - or rather, ignoring - the fact that Visa is a business. It can do whatever it wants with regards to its business.

This is not censorship. No one is telling you that you cannot build these types of sites and yes, even profit from them.
Visa is simply telling you it will not process for these types of sites.
Go to MasterCard, Discover, JCB, Diner's Club... etc.

This is not government control. Gov't has absolutely nothing to do with this - it is Visa's decision. No, the American Civil Liberties Union does not need to be brought into this. And they wouldn't even touch it, being as they are the *American* civil liberties union and these acts are *illegal* in America.
What are they supposed to do, stand up and say that rape is a form of free speech? That you're being oppressed because you can't fuck your dog? Please.

Visa feels that if customers see them processing for these sites, that Visa's reputation will be sullied and they will lose customers. Therefore, to protect their reputation, their business, and to keep the business that they have, they CHOOSE not to process for these sites.

Just as you can CHOOSE not to accept Visa.

No one is forcing you to do anything. No one is censoring you. No one is banning anything. Those are things done by a government - and again, in case you missed it - Visa is not a government.

A business company has made a decision regarding ITS OWN OPERATIONS.

Don't like it? TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE.
It's that simple. You DO have a choice. Plenty of them... I listed 4 above.

Many of you CHOOSE not to accept credit cards from certain countries. For the sake of your business, because you've found it to be detrimental to your business.
Oppressors! Censors!

Hypocrites.

lexr

I think there's a point that's being missed here though. Regardless of whether or not you approve of scat, bestiality, rape fantasy.. you need to realize how things work here in the US. First of all, it is my understanding that through several court rulings (including some against Wal-Mart in the past, I believe) when a private company becomes large enough that it can influence public decisions based on the company's opinions then it is no longer allowed to do certain things that private companies are allowed to.

Basically their freedom ends where the general public's begins.

For example, if Wal-Mart were to decide that they will no longer carry any computer games they will essentially be restricting what the general public can buy (their freedom). Sure, you'd say "Well, just buy the damn games online fool!" but that's not how things work in reality. Wal-Mart is the largest retailer out there and probably accounts for a good majority of computer game sales (I don't know of the actual figures, but I do know that if Wal-Mart refuses to carry you game due then 99% of the time your game will suck in sales and you'll be screwed).

It is large enough to influence public opinion and public choice.

The same can be applied to Visa. Visa accounts for what.. 70% of online adult sales? That sure is a lot of control over the general public. When such a thing occurs, the company no longer has the same freedoms as Joe and Bob's Diner because exercising some of their freedoms in certain ways would infringe upon the freedoms of the general public.

Yes, in my personal opinion scat and bestiality are nasty and I don't see how you can derive pleasure from it.. but, the question that's been brought up man times is "Where does it end?" Once you start censoring a bunch of things now where will you draw the line? And who will have enough power to draw the line?

If you want to hear the same argument about censorship please go to your local public library and ask the librarian about his or her personal views on censorship.

NewView

Indeed....

Where does it stops. If it is not scat/bestaility/rape/spanking where does VISA draws the line...

Visa is NOT the companu who can tell you what you may do or not.

NewView

Carrie....

You just see your opinion not the complete picture

msg

all that babble and you still haven't got the point.

PowerCum

this thread is mindless and appears to be some kind of retard thinking competition.

Make some logic and make your own conclusions:

A similar to B, but A not = B

just think a bit.

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MicroChick

Carrie Carrie Carrie! I have never stalked a living soul, unless you are referring to my kitty who ran away five years ago and I was forced to patrol the neighborhood searching for her.

Serge never considered suing me, you, or the man in the moon. It was all a show, you stupid Net-ponder. You are the one who takes shit off the boards. You are the one who manipulates your way around webmasters. You will kiss Saddam's ass if he has something you want.

Go back to your trailer and fantasize about eating Little C's pussy, dike snitching bitch. You are a mouth! You talk tough because you have a rough life kissing all those skanky asses. I hear Serge is looking for a new webmaster. Why don't you give him a call and see if he is interested in hiring a wanabie back-stabbling SNITCH-ASS BITCH.

Or better yet, call the government. They might want to send you to Iraq to *snift* out Saddam's location.

NewView

Cassie

so now visa is deciding what is constitutionally right? i absolutely agree that sites like scat, rape, etc...should not be online HOWEVER, this is a direct violation of the first amendment right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression. most rape sites, spanking sites are simulated. again, i do not agree that extreme, hardcore, disgusting shit such as that should be up, but you cannot tell someone what to like, how to like it and when to like it.

you also cannot be contradictory. by that i mean i can go into blockbuster, buy a video with a simulated rape scene and pay for it on my visa card and that is somehow ok? visa is now stepping into a very dangerous area and where the impai is looking to stop acacia, another organization needs to be developed to stop Visa/MC from becoming judge, jury, prosecutor and executor!

mark my words, they are just now setting up for what will ultimately be their decision on what will be and what cant be sold and it will be THEIR rules if someone or something doesnt stop them now.

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Rui

How sad Visa is blocking animal abuse, rape (even if its fake) and spanking...

i'm all tears...

NewView

Why should we think?

Carrie has all the answers

directfiesta

Good. And I don't like gang-bangs: disgutting all the cum on the face of that poor little girl...

Also, I never figured out the fun of dressing as a woman: this is sick and against nature....

And last, that gothic sex??? WTF is ythat. They all look like ghosts, dead people. It's similar to necrophila... That should be super banned...

Visa should ban all sites with this content. They encourage bad behavior....

BANNED !!! BANNED !!!!


PS: might as well ban the gay sites also: Bush and the pope said it is against nature...

SUPERBAN !!!!

Thumbs up for VISA

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