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08-01-2003, 12:27 AM

From inside information:

Visa planned to write to all bestiality merchant account holders in the next two weeks a letter that their account will me terminated if they continue clearing for this content type.

They also want to be banned for the near future:

Scat
Rape
Very hard spanking

So whats next? This is BAD

Time to new payment options, looking forward for solutions.

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08-01-2003, 12:29 AM

actually, that's good.
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08-01-2003, 12:31 AM

so as long as it's not VERY hard spanking, it's all good. good.
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08-01-2003, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
actually, that's good.

It is not good when Visa stops processing for legal content.

Maybe you don't believe in free speech, but some people do.

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08-01-2003, 12:33 AM

Where did you read/hear this?
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08-01-2003, 12:36 AM

Why is it good.

It's unbelievable that VISA can told to you what you can do and can not. That's scary, don't you think? There are laws written for that.

Tomorrow they can decide that GAY is also against their principals. It's WEIRD

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08-01-2003, 12:40 AM

Well, beastiality is illegal, rape is illegal, hard spanking can be percieved as torture, which would be illegal, and scat is just fucking disgusting.
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08-01-2003, 12:40 AM

Since when is fucking animals, shitting on people, and raping women good?
The spanking I don't agree with - the rest of it... fuck yeah. Go Visa... shut this shit down.
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08-01-2003, 12:40 AM

Where did you read/hear this?

Can not say that, there it is inside information from a contact person of me.

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08-01-2003, 12:44 AM

Well, beastiality is illegal, rape is illegal, hard spanking can be percieved as torture, which would be illegal, and scat is just fucking disgusting

Depends were you are living isn't?

I'm not saying that I like all these issues by myself but it scares me that Visa can decide what people can buy yes or no.

But I guess I have to live in the US to understand that. BIG BROTHER ......

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08-01-2003, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Carrie
Since when is fucking animals, shitting on people, and raping women good?
The spanking I don't agree with - the rest of it... fuck yeah. Go Visa... shut this shit down.

Porn should be kept in peoples own bedroom... shut down all porn!
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08-01-2003, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Well, beastiality is illegal, rape is illegal, hard spanking can be percieved as torture, which would be illegal, and scat is just fucking disgusting.

I completely agree with you here. Keep it up. I'm starting to like you.
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08-01-2003, 12:46 AM

AMEX and Discover decided what you couldn't buy years ago...
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08-01-2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by NewView

Depends were you are living isn't?

I'm not saying that I like all these issues by myself but it scares me that Visa can decide what people can buy yes or no.

But I guess I have to live in the US to understand that. BIG BROTHER ......

They're a credit card company. They have the power to do pretty much anything they want.

On the bright side, there will ALWAYS be processors willing to process anything that makes them money and the people who have these fetishes will probably have no problems getting accounts with such processors. If worse comes to worse, you can always do snail mail and still make a killing!
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08-01-2003, 12:51 AM

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I completely agree with you here. Keep it up. I'm starting to like you.

Sometimes I like playing the heel, which is what you got the other day ; )
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08-01-2003, 12:52 AM

Well.

Beast is not iligal all over the world, so thats not true.

I think its very bad that visa can say even dough animal sex is legal in your country we don´t like it and then you can´t see it..

I don´t like it, but i don´t like Visa way to run buiness, they have monopol on the market and they are using these powers to shut down what they don´t like.

What if the old bitches from Visas says, well we only like woman between 35-40 so all sites with girls in others ages will be shut down. its sick.

Remember the next thing they will close down is the entire porn industry..

What will you people do then..
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08-01-2003, 12:54 AM

While I feel you'd have to be one sick fuck to get into scat, I do not like this idea of censorship at all. VISA is getting more and more strict by the day which is absolutely insane. If this keeps up they will not process for porn period.

Unfortunately I doubt much can be done to stop them, but I don't think it will be the end of the world either.

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08-01-2003, 12:55 AM

Beast is not iligal all over the world, so thats not true.

it should be.
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08-01-2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by NewView
Depends were you are living isn't?

No, it doesn't.
Fucking an innocent animal that cannot speak up for itself or defend itself is fucking wrong - and anyone who does it needs to be shot in the fucking head.

Raping women is wrong - and anyone that does it needs to be tied up by their balls, tortured slowly and painfully, and after a week or two of non-stop torturing in this manner, shot in the fucking head.

Shitting on people is not erotic, it's not pornography - it's a form of humiliation and oppression. These folks don't need to be shot in the fucking head, they need to have their bowels fucked up so that they have to wear a diaper full-time because the runny shit just pours out of their ass and they're never able to humiliate someone by taking a solid shit on them ever again.

No, it does NOT depend on where you live.
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08-01-2003, 12:57 AM

Go down to your local bank, ask for a personal loan to buy some rape videos, and see what you get.
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08-01-2003, 12:57 AM

If worse comes to worse, you can always do snail mail and still make a killing!

I Agree with you. There will be always a solution. Dialers, SMSpayments, online checks and so on.

Looks to me like a buch of communists

VISA says: CENSORED

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08-01-2003, 12:58 AM

mmm... censorship is bad; anything that isn't non-consensual and only includes models of legal age should be fair game to a great extent, allowing others to dictate morality to the masses sets a dangerous precedent... perhaps our president has a log in his eye..

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08-01-2003, 12:58 AM

I could of sworn that Visa HQ are located in the US, where all of this is illegal. So it doesn't matter if it is legal where you live (outside the us)

I see no problems with them banning this, they should have done this along time ago.
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08-01-2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Well, beastiality is illegal, rape is illegal, hard spanking can be percieved as torture, which would be illegal, and scat is just fucking disgusting.

respect T.T.H.
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08-01-2003, 12:58 AM

And Visa is not the government. They're a private business who can decide with whom and where they want to do business... just as you are a private business who can decide with whom and where you want to do business.

So if you don't like what Visa decides is good for its bottom line, then quit bitching and take your business elsewhere.
There are plenty of other ways to take a surfer's money, NO ONE is forcing you to use Visa.
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08-01-2003, 12:59 AM

Irony.
Read your signature.
Reread what you wrote here:

Originally posted by Carrie

No, it doesn't.
Fucking an innocent animal that cannot speak up for itself or defend itself is fucking wrong - and anyone who does it needs to be shot in the fucking head.

Raping women is wrong - and anyone that does it needs to be tied up by their balls, tortured slowly and painfully, and after a week or two of non-stop torturing in this manner, shot in the fucking head.

Shitting on people is not erotic, it's not pornography - it's a form of humiliation and oppression. These folks don't need to be shot in the fucking head, they need to have their bowels fucked up so that they have to wear a diaper full-time because the runny shit just pours out of their ass and they're never able to humiliate someone by taking a solid shit on them ever again.

No, it does NOT depend on where you live.

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08-01-2003, 01:00 AM

Got any poop content ?

Never understood how shit can be sexually arousing.

Those webmasters can practice their Freedom of Speech
with a diaper full of shit.

They just can't process with VISA.
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08-01-2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by NewView

I Agree with you. There will be always a solution. Dialers, SMSpayments, online checks and so on.

Looks to me like a buch of communists

VISA says: CENSORED

Good future guys
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Get a fucking clue. Communism is government, this is business.
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08-01-2003, 01:03 AM

No, it doesn't.

Carrie.....
Who is saying fucking an animal. Did you never see that the male dogs fucked the brains out of women?

Do you think you have to force that dog.... NO WAY. You don't like it that is all but you can not push your opinion to other people. I agree that fucking an animal is raping the animal but you will almost not see that!!

RAPE:
How many women has the fantasie to get raped? Raping sites are FAKE and not real.

SCAT:
You like it or not

PISTOLS:
You can buy that with your Visa card in the US. How many people are killed by that on your streets???

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08-01-2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by <IMX>
Irony.
Read your signature.
Reread what you wrote here:

Okay, IMX - show me how my signature compares with sheep fuckers, shit eaters, and rapists.
You would defend someone's right to rape and make money from it?
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08-01-2003, 01:06 AM

This isn't censorship, it's their service.

You would loan your car to a family member for errands. But you would NOT loan your car to your family member to rob banks, and lure children into YOUR car.

Would you?
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08-01-2003, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Carrie
Okay, IMX - show me how my signature compares with sheep fuckers, shit eaters, and rapists.
You would defend someone's right to rape and make money from it?

All those things are legal where those people process. I don't personally like any of those thing, nor do I sell them. However, they are legal. (It is simulated rape btw--just like in movies).

So, Visa's is making a subjective decision to deny the cardholder purchase of a legal product.

That subjective decision, of denying legal material to be processed, relates directly to our business...or any other for that matter. They may decide cigarrettes can no longer be purchased etc...

After all Visa's goal is to quite literally replace paper currency.

If you don't defend the right of people to process legal material--even if it is personally distasteful, one day it can be your niche that is deemed distasteful.

That relates directly to your signature.

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08-01-2003, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

Sometimes I like playing the heel, which is what you got the other day ; )

I'm starting to realize that 'getting the heel' is a common occurance around here.
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08-01-2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Fred Zeppelin
Got any poop content ?

Never understood how shit can be sexually arousing.

Those webmasters can practice their Freedom of Speech
with a diaper full of shit.

They just can't process with VISA.

Is poop illegal?

Poop is illegal I like how it sounds!

don't even think about it
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08-01-2003, 01:15 AM

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Carrie.....
Who is saying fucking an animal. Did you never see that the male dogs fucked the brains out of women?

I've seen *drugged* dogs and *drugged* animals like horses fucking women - no, to my knowledge I have *not* seen a perfectly willing animal fucking a human woman, as I do not consider drugging an animal and giving it an aphrodesiac to be voluntary.

RAPE:
How many women has the fantasie to get raped? Raping sites are FAKE and not real.

Really? All of them?
No?
How can you tell? And why does it matter if you can tell or not? You're promoting RAPING WOMEN.

SCAT:
You like it or not

Ugh.
Do you not see the entire point behind skat? Do you understand it whatsoever?

PISTOLS:
You can buy that with your Visa card in the US. How many people are killed by that on your streets???

Less people than are killed by cars, which you can also buy with your Visa... how far do you want to take this idiotic reasoning? You can buy peanuts with your Visa, yet people die each year from peanut allergies and choking on peanuts.
You can buy plane tickets with your Visa, yet people die each year from plane crashes.

I've got it - let's allow sites that glorify slavery.
It's not illegal in some countries.
Sure, some people like the idea, some don't.
Slavery is a form of humiliation, oppression, people are physically and mentally injured from it, most do not do it willingly, and people die from it.

But just because it's legal in one third-world backwater country that has yet to exit the mentality of the stone age, let's force Visa to process for it.
Even though Visa is not the only credit card processor in existence, even though it's a private business, even though it's in no way connected to a government, and even though Visa's main goal is always to make a profit and processing for such sites will surely sully their reputation and drive away their customers.
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08-01-2003, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by 4Pics
I could of sworn that Visa HQ are located in the US, where all of this is illegal. So it doesn't matter if it is legal where you live (outside the us)

I see no problems with them banning this, they should have done this along time ago.

This is not true. Visa International in The Netherlands has to deal with the laws of The Netherlands. You can not easily say because it is forbidden in the US.

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08-01-2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by zippy
Well.

Beast is not iligal all over the world, so thats not true.

I think its very bad that visa can say even dough animal sex is legal in your country we don´t like it and then you can´t see it..

I don´t like it, but i don´t like Visa way to run buiness, they have monopol on the market and they are using these powers to shut down what they don´t like.

What if the old bitches from Visas says, well we only like woman between 35-40 so all sites with girls in others ages will be shut down. its sick.

Remember the next thing they will close down is the entire porn industry..

What will you people do then..

As I have always said, it's not Ashhahahahaha who will bring us down, it's Visa.
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08-01-2003, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by boobmaster

As I have always said, it's not Ashhahahahaha who will bring us down, it's Visa.
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08-01-2003, 01:20 AM

The stupidest argument that people try to make is that rape is illegal so rape fantasy should be illegal.

That's like saying that any movie with murder, drugs, or cars going over 55 miles an hour should be illegal.

Right wingers in porn are funny.

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08-01-2003, 01:20 AM

Rape, Beast, pedo, be it fake or real is wrong...
The problem is how do you know its fake, and it promotes the
real thing. I doubt anyone here will get behind fake pedo content, so how is fake rape any different? Both are sick violent crimes against a victim.

I think thats a good way to measure what should be allowed, if the content has a victim, it shouldn't be allowed. If the content is consensual, then WTF, let it be...

Scat is nasty but since its consensual, it should be allowed.

Its a slipery slope, kill scat today, kill piss tomorrow, kill lactation next month...When will it stop? Next year it might be anal...

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08-01-2003, 01:21 AM

its like battle of the tards in here.

both sides of the fence in here shouldnt be allowed to speak.

Its like listening to two guys from the ghetto argue over who was the better impressionist, Monet or Renoir. Its Monet of course, but thats besides the point.
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08-01-2003, 01:22 AM

it's legal in one third-world backwater country

Sure USA rules.

We can discus this for years what I want to say is that it is NOT correct that VISA can decide what is good or wrong for people.

There are laws for that and not only the law of the USA.

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08-01-2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
The stupidest argument that people try to make is that rape is illegal so rape fantasy should be illegal.

So child porn would be ok, if it were just fantasy?
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08-01-2003, 01:25 AM

That's like saying that any movie with murder, drugs, or cars going over 55 miles an hour should be illegal.

Totally agree

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08-01-2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

So child porn would be ok, if it were just fantasy?

ohhhh, you are one of them. I see your kind in public ever so often, and I always want to just start stabbing.
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08-01-2003, 01:27 AM

one of whom?
someone that would use your own defense against you? yes.
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08-01-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
The stupidest argument that people try to make is that rape is illegal so rape fantasy should be illegal.

That's like saying that any movie with murder, drugs, or cars going over 55 miles an hour should be illegal.

Right wingers in porn are funny.

where do YOU draw the line?

Snuff films O.K. ?
and how about K.P.?

Is that O.K.?
After all it's only fantasy,,,

just not to some.
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08-01-2003, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

So child porn would be ok, if it were just fantasy?

Don't ask me, ask The Supreme Court. Guess what they say? It is legal as long as it's just fantasy. For it to be illegal there must be a real child involved.

That is what the Supreme Court says that the U.S. Constitution says.

Do you hate America or do you agree with the U.S. Supreme Court that virtual child porn should be legal under the Constitution?

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08-01-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by [Labret]

ohhhh, you are one of them. I see your kind in public ever so often, and I always want to just start stabbing.

And because I have different beliefs from yours, you feel I should be stabbed....?

Interesting perspective.

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08-01-2003, 01:32 AM

hm...

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