you're not american? you don't live under the threat of a terrorist attack?

you support the killing of peace activists if you do?

Can you please make sense? LOL@the killing peace activists.

he said 'living under the threat of'

we all do.. do you understand my point now?

if they weren't peace activists, what were they?

the nine times they have done this?

So a guy that walks in an does a suicide bombing is any different than the guy who sits in the plane and drops bombs?

The reason people in that region attack Israel is self defense. Israel is the one that instigates the vast majority of incidents by attacking first. That is fact.

We aren't what? If you mean terrorist attacks.. when was the last time a Bus or a car bomb went off in Canada?

The point being, even your own country is fighting because of what happened on 9/11 10 years ago in a foreign country. What do you think your country would do if it had bus and car bombs going off a few times a year killing your own citizens? You would want to bitch slap those whom were responsible for doing it.

That's exactly what Israel is doing. It's the same thing the US, Canada, any nation in Europe or any other country on this planet would do if they had the ability to defend themselves.

I love watching jews justify israel and its atrocities, I hope the thread goes on forever.

You haven't provided a single fact yet.

i always wonder the nations who had painful times in their past do the same thing to others?

on the other hand how sad some people here trying to back up this crime and blindly following what Israel state told them.

Guys, 16 innocent civilians have been died, which excuse can cover this?

if my state did the same thing, i would be sad and ashame to it rather then trying to back there ass.

Jews, isn't it more then time for You to question and think about ongoing things?

We were one of the first nations who recognized You as an independent state, at the same time we are the first nation with a vast Muslim majority who said yes for Your independence.

we have Turkish speaking Jew citizens here, they have their own synagogues and have equal rights as we do.

and other then some religious nutjobs i don't think anyone really have problem with Jews seriously.

My condolances to families who lost their loved ones because of this bloody atack.

Peace :2 cents:

Some of you may find this article interesting.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php...n-israel-best/

Some excerpts...

77% Palestinian Arabs: We like Living in Israel best
By Judith A. Klinghoffer (bio)

It is difficult to find a more neglected story than the relative satisfaction of Palestinian Arabs living in Israel as is revealed from a recent Harvard Study. (Palestinians Arabs (including those living in greater Jerusalem) constitute 20% of the population). Aware of inconvenient polls which reveal that Palestinian living in Israel are vehemently opposed to becoming citizens of Palestine, the researchers did their best to lower the satisfaction number by phrasing the question so as to receive the most negative number. They asked Palestinian Arab if they would rather live in Israel or in any other country in the world.

77% of the State of Israel?s Arab citizens would rather live in the Jewish state than in any other country in the world, according to a new study titled ?Coexistence in Israel?. The study was aimed at examining the relations between Israel?s Jewish and Arab citizens on the State?s 60th anniversary, and included 1,721 respondents.

Other polls similarly demonstrate that to achieve better integration, most of the Arab citizens of Israel support voluntary national service. They are not subject to compulsory military service though they may volunteer to serve and some do.

Yet a poll carried out by University of Haifa last month revealed that 75 percent of Israeli Arabs between the ages of 16 and 22 support voluntary national service. The poll also found that the vast majority of the Arab public is unaware of the national service. 77.4 percent overall and 79.6 percent of youth said they know little or nothing about the program. Moreover, the poll found that once given basic information about conditions in the national service and its goals, not only were Israeli Arab youth supportive of the idea, but so were 71.9 percent of all Arab men and 83.8 percent of all Arab women. In contrast, some 80 percent of members of Arab political parties opposed national service.

In other words, ideological diatribes aside, the attitudes of Israeli Arabs demonstrates that the Jewish state is doing a pretty good job accommodating it?s large Palestinian minority despite the trying circumstances under which she is forced to live.

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank and Gaza. I know I'm arguing with an ignorant Zionist, but that's how it is, and under international law, Israel is responsible for the welfare of the citizens of Gaza.

You saying it is fact...does not make it fact...now does it?

Hah Terrorists



And don't forget the BBC reporter that came out the other day and said 9/11 was a mossad operation. Even alex jones gets upset when you start blaming israel for things.

Whether you agree or disagree with their goals........... there is no way a group of people providing logistical support to Hamas can be considered "peace activists". They are a group taking an active role on one side of an armed conflict. That has absolutely nothing to do with "peace". :disgust

the author:

http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/san...linghoffer.htm

Im sorry, just because you don't know the last time a terrorist bomb went off in Canada means i somehow lose my ability to completely destroy your pointless point?

or your conjecture meant to somehow justify a criminal act perpetrated against ships registered in the United States ending in the murder of x amount of people due to 'resistance'?

I would like to point out there is thousands of Canadians fighting everyday in protection of our nation, and we're not shooting peace activists, and we're not defending people who do.

No, it doesn't.

Here is a link that shows the data taken from the IDF (Israeli Military) website.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html

Also do you know the rights of an Arab-Israeli and a Jewish-Israeli are different in Israel? Just because of someone's religion they are treated differently, I'd think that a guy who has friends who died defending against that exact thing would be disgusted by it.

Instead you cheer it on. Shame on you man.

It's funny how one of you postulated that "people who support Israel call anyone who doesn't, antisemitic", while you've completely added another dynamic by calling someone who supports Israel, an "ignorant zionist". Are you mad that he's been arguing logically and you've just been making shit up?

As I am sure you aware Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2005. I understand that you will distort the facts to fit your narrative as you see fit....... but that does change the fundamental truth that Gaza is Judenfrei.

Hell yea! WAit, I never see you criticizing the source when it's a liberal or a democrat, therefore you have no credibility:)

Sorry, I had to laugh at the irony of that statement, not to mention the utter denial.

Hamas is a government, regardless of whether we like to admit that point or not.

The people involved in this situation on the flotilla side has done this 9 times, 5 of those times having gone through this 'blockade' with no issue

frankly, i see your desire to get into the nitty gritty of this situation, i am tempted as well.

the big picture here is peace activists were shot and killed by TPTB, and in direct violation of international law, laws we are now using to justify killing basically everyone that fucks with anyone else.

that is the big picture.

you often find yourself laughing, to yourself?

Only when a select few of you type. Makes me glad I graduated both high school and college.

usually, if one is lucky, someone of note will suggest that insulting someone else for a difference of opinion has some scary undertones

but i'm sure someone of college education would be able to understand this.

Why don't you look closely at what I quoted. In college, we learn reading comprehension.

I suppose you had a point to make...but I do know what your point is. She reported on a study that was done by Harvard and a poll done by the University of Hafia.

we learned that in first grade.

Apparently not.

A select few morons on this forum don't know how to think logically, so if they see a source by a Jew/Republican/Conservative, they'll dismiss it automatically, completely disregarding the possibility that it was actually done by one of their own(liberals).

Yea..... we certainly don't want to let those nitty griity facts get in the way of developing a big picture narrative that can be used to demonize and delegitimize Israel. :winkwink:

Actually, it is the other way around. Also, his opinion is biased as he is an Israeli citizen.

Israel abandoning Gaza because stationing troops there was seen as too high a cost to pay in terms of Israeli casualties is besides he point. Israel is still the occupying power. They're called the occupied territories for a reason.

Never fails, demon turning threads into pointless name calling matches.

Five of the six ships in this flotilla went through this time also without issue as they agreed to have their ships searched...it was the sixth ship that attacked Israeli forces as they individually repelled down to the ship...as they video clearly shows.

Did they have a right to defend their ship with armed men boarding in international waters? yes or no?

care to explain then?

I said this:

And you responded with

To which I responded with:
Get it?


Also, mayabong, I don't think I could ever dick up threads with my namecalling(which is pretty much factual) as you can by making us laugh with your retarded theories.

Right and wrong is subjective but I would answer no...unless they were willing to pay the consequences for such a foolish act and I guess they were...as they certainly did pay the consequences. The Israeli forces were armed with non lethal riot control weapons but did carry side arms with live ammuntion which as it turned out for them was a good thing. The other ships suffered no injuries and no harm other than being escorted into port which is where they were told to go in the first place.

hey man, 250 000 pepole died where? I am in Kosovo at least twice per year and if that number is about kosovo it is so wrong, believe me. US want to involve there much longer before most people here heard about that place. And they did, by arming KLA there and giving them support until break point. If you have nerves for this, google about Racak village incident that "started" war there and what Finish and Russian pathologist told about bodies there and how William Walker fabricated data and use it for American attack there.

Exactly same methods as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. (just much smaller scale scenario). if you need startup point for investigation, read this : http://www.globalresistance.com/analysis/meetmr.htm and after it, just try to see what this man did and where he served as CIA agent. I think I will go of from this theme, since it is taking too much time and there will never be clean situation. Maybe gold rule would be not to interfere in other people's conflicts (any size).

Israel's propaganda machine FAIL - raw video of IDF firing on ships before boarding:



""In what could be a serious blow to Israel's narrative on the killing of at least nine humanitarian activists making their way to Gaza through international waters, raw video by an Al Jazeera producer, who was filming during the raid, appears to provide evidence that the IDF opened fire on the flotilla even before boarding it."