Video of the initial assault.



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Are you serious or you are one of Muslims from Kosovo? If you are serious that means that you are getting your info on CNN and BBC. US troops are there from one simple reason and that why they are in other parts of world, to conquer, and control with military and take some wealth from conquered nations. Problem is that you don't have info from moment when US and Germany supported and gave arms to Albanians in kosovo and told them to shoot on Serbain police and ask for independence. You know, when something like that happened in Texas,(much less serious) those people were burned alive in house. So believe me, you don't know much about situation there in probably same way like you don't know what were toxicology results about Milosevic death in prison.

Why is this thread 6 pages long?

It was a terrorist act committed in international waters. I hope Israel pays a heavy price for this.

And that's that. In the near future the greatest weapon of them all will be the video camera.

What I just saw was Israeli troops repelling onto a boat and being instantly attacked. At this moment, the Israeli Navy was justified in using any force required.

How many warnings does a country have to give?

Here's what I would do. I would say "The next time any group of ships give us advanced notice that they are going to run the blockade, we will sink them without warning one hundred miles from the coast". Done.

And the next time it happens say "We told you".

What exactly do you think will happen if the Turkish Navy barges through this stupid little blockade? Actually I think it would be quite entertaining to see it.. I imagine Israel not doing shit. But if they do you know damn well what kind of shitstorm that would ignite. But what do you expect from a bunch of religious nutjobs who think someone is coming down from the sky to save them soon... Actually I'm beginning to like the idea the lot of you going somewhere anywhere but here and killing each other off. The World would be a much better place. Just don't expect me to lift a finger to help either side out of so called nationality.

It's a holiday in the US, and most of us aren't working and have nothing to do.

Your right, this was a terrorist act committed in international waters. A group of ships announced they were illegally going to smuggle materials into Gaza, received repeated warnings not to do it, were ordered to stop by a naval warship, and then attacked members of the Israel Navy when they attempted to board the ship in accordance with international law.

I see mostly Anglo-Saxons rule the world, some with a black mask on a face.

Germans did their most bloody work in the History without Jews.
England did their bloody work without Jews (after expelling Jews).

There are around 20 million Jews in the world of 7,000,000,000
1:350
Hmm.., following you.., if 1 controlls 350 so I live in the world of stupid monkeys and 20 million thinking orginized in group are men, right? look, I can believe there are 20 million smart guys of all nations (not just Jews) in the world of monkeys. Bad for me, my chances are very small :) I control nothing...

Ship was in international waters. Israel broke the law. The UN already inspected the ship and verified no contraband was on board prior to departure.

They were delivering food and medicine, and for that the Israelis machine-gunned them to death.

owned:) :)

Because of course the UN is an independent and fair arbiter in this dispute. :error

Owned double time. I'm surprised one of these idiots doesn't claim the video has been doctored.

wow, soldiers raiding a ship that is meant to help starving people ends up with people trying to fight em off?

surprised the IDF didn't open fire sooner

Ok,Maybe I did, but US is the one opened pandora's box. Exactly US ,acting without UN , on exact example you gave and that is Kosovo. So they are doing it right now in this moment, trying to avoid UN resolutuon 1244 (read more about it if you have time) and resume their way. It was clearly told by many EU countries (that won't ever accept Kosovo as independent state) and by other big powers as Russia that attack on Serbia in 1999 will make exactly the problem you are talking about. So once international law is down, things like this will happen and it will become even worse....like a bully with a gun and new bullies following him to take what they think it's theirs.

I am confused by the presence of sarcasm in your reply.


But yes, in fact it is:

i'm sure this statement is ironic.

you think that these are messages for what happens when you mess with a country?

it's a message from history, over and over, about what exactly happens when there is rampant, and accepted, oppression and totalitarianism.

blockades are only 'legal' when there is a state of war. i suppose isreal is at constant war with palestine, so therefore these big bad science project rockets are just a run of hte mill situation.

what is disgustingly ugly, is caging these people, starving them, and doing everything they can to make sure the conflict continues.

if they want a new jesus this badly, fine. we should stop giving these people our tax dollars so they can continue shooting innocent people without our being directly/indirectly involved.

Nothing in your post alters anything in my post...sport.

I have to assume you are feigning ignorance as it would be impossible to be even slightly acquainted with this issue and not be aware that the UN is hardly an impartial organization when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian issue. :winkwink:

Of course it is always possible that you are truly just an idiot as opposed to a liar....... I suppose I should give you the benefit of the doubt. :)

maybe he misunderstands what the UN definition of 'aims' is

the world knows who the real terror masters are today.

Ok, so which organization do you think would command more competence on this matter?


Actually, they are fighting off pirates as they are in international waters.
Perfectly legal.

I guess the crews of the ships fighting off Somali pirates are terrorist and criminas too?

I never read that the UN inspected the ship.

No, Israel did not break the law. According to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, foreign civilian vessels can be boarded on the high seas for a number of different reasons. For example, if they thought the cargo of the ship was illegal and wanted to inspect it. Fuck it, they can board a god damn ship off the coast of their country for a fucking safety inspection - The US Coast Guard does it all the time.

Let me break this down into small items.
1) Blockade is legal.
2) Ships legally told not to run blockade before it left port.
3) Ships ordered to turn around off the coast of Israel.
4) Israel exercises it's legal right under international law to board ship off it's coast.
5) During boarding, Israeli boarding party is attacked.
6) Under international law, off the coast of Israel, Israeli navy defends itself.

If it was Iranian commandos who did that to an Israeli ship doing a similar thing in international waters, we'd be in WW3 by now.

Pretty much a de-facto state of war has existed for some time here. They blindly launch missiles into Israel as often as they can, which is an act of war. They kidnap Israeli soldiers on a regular basis.

If Canada starts lobbing missiles into Seattle killing Americans, it's an act of war.

but this is in direct violation of international law. You can't just board a ship in international waters, regardless of where they are going

I think calling this group of ships "pirates" is a bit much.

yea i saw that 'fact' of yours

why would Canada remotely do that? If America decided to invade Vancouver, or let someone else do the invading

you bet your bottom dollar you're going to be seeing more than just science projects coming

which is why there is laws. So there isn't a question of opinions.

This incident has literally made pirating in somalia justified. what do they care? the shipping lanes are a 'threat' to that country

opinions.

define: sarcasm

An Arrogant calls others are arrogant, interesting world we live in :2 cents:

Amazing this thread has lasted this long.

1)israelis attack a pre-checked and cleared ship in international waters.
2)they kill people on the ship.
3)crime against humanity, israeli govt needs to pay.

end of story, end of thread.

lol @ people who protect Israel

Israel breaks 100% of cease fires that last longer than 9 days and 96% of the ones that last longer than a week

how can the person attacking first be the one defending themselves?

what a pathetic country Israel has always been, I'm glad more people are waking up and taking a good look at the ticking time bomb of a country who refuses to EVER admit that they were wrong

everyone knows the guy that will never admit he's wrong, when you prove he's wrong over and over eventually he snaps and gets loud and violent

illegal nuclear weapons + no UN inspections + no nuclear treaty + snapping and getting violent = a very very messy situation for the WHOLE WORLD

i hope you guys realize that Israel is currently the biggest threat on Earth to every single human being out there. Illegal nuclear weapons are the only thing that we should be worried about and Israel currently has the largest stockpile of ILLEGAL NUCLEAR BOMBS.

is there anything else we should be worried about more than a country founded on flawed principles that violates international laws over and over and has illegal nuclear bombs? i dont think there is!

Holy crap... there is no way I'm ever gonna get up to speed on this thread. :disgust

You failed right there. It's called collective punishment, and it's illegal.

As the occupying power, Israel has the obligation to feed and house the people of Gaza. Not only do they not do that (relying on UN agencies instead), but the foodstuffs and materials they allow into Gaza falls far short (by at least 4x) what the international community has judged to be the bare minimum.

Maybe they will stop when people stop suicide bombing them. I always love how people bitch and moan about Israel doing essentially what they have to do to survive.

Yet the same people and even the media never blames the various rouge states that Israel is up against when ever a terrorist attack is done. When a car bomb goes off in Israel, they will blame Hezbollah or some supporter group but they never blame the govt of the host country.

Israel may push the edges quite a bit, but if they didn't they would be over run. Our own country was attacked 1 time and we started 2 wars that have gone on 10 years now. If countries in Europe were getting hit by suicide attacks like Israel gets hit then you can damn sure bet they would be reacting the same way.

It's easy to judge them when it's not you living in the threat everyday of getting blown up by some radical religious nut nob supported by a rouge state.

Not exactly that simple...or that black and white...as in most if not all events of this sort there are many shades of gray. Personally if I were in charge of Israeli policy I would not allow any aid or comfort to what is the enemy of Israel...let alone the possibility of weapons of war being smugged in. All is fair in love and war...no mercy...no quarter etc. etc. Let them starve or let them choose to live in peace with Israel.

But as I have stated I am not a big fan of Israel...but I do understand why they do what they do...except I do not understand why they are prolonging the suffering of both sides. I suspect that at some point they will tire of it and say fuck it and take the entire land and rule with an iron fist until the Arabs decide to live in peace with Israel.

Sheer nonsense. Israel is not occupying Gaza.

I'm trying to find any legitimate facts amidst your bullshit post and I just can't.

Amen.....

we aren't?