I'm sorry - did I miss it? Because I didn't see anyone firing on anything. If I missed it, point out the time frame and I'll watch it again.

But it's pretty much pointless isn't it? A warship ordered another ship to stop. After asking nicely, I'm sure they changed their tone, maybe sent a warship in closer as a warning, and then maybe fired across the bow - the international signal for ships at sea to stop. (Similar to a warship dropping two grenades overboard as a signal to submerged submarines to surface.) After that, pretty much all bets are off.

It's like a car chase. The police order the car to stop, and if he doesn't, they start to take action against the car. Eventually force is used - and further force if required after the car has stopped. In this case, you can't ram boats against boats.

I'm sorry, no matter how you slice it, these people were ordered to stop by a warship, refused, and paid the price. Then when they were boarded they attacked them. Fuck that. They got what they deserved.

sorry i am trying to better understand your position.

from what you're saying here, it's bad for criminals to do this for money, but ok for governments trying to make political statements against peace activists?

you missed it

and next time this happens, and it'll be soon, the isrealis can fire at turkish warships before they board whatever flotilla goes in

and hell, now there won't be any searches at all.

I don't support Israel. I could care less about Israel. I could care less if Israel is gone in the morning. I have family members that live in the Middle East, not far from where this is going down, and I can only count one Jewish friend who isn't really that much Jewish.

Everyone is stunned that a country attacked what is being called an innocent ship carrying humanitarian aid. I don't see it like that. I see this as a criminal action. Their intention was to run the blockade, they were warned not to, and then failed to obey international law when a warship ordered them to stop.

Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to the United States, ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and refuse.... Well, at that point, shots are going to be fired. This is just common sense.

Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to Mexico in International waters, and ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and you refuse.... Well, at that point, US Coast Guard has no leg to stand on. This is just common sense.

I finally found this picture online... FINALLY!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__QQFNZJLb8...0/image001.jpg

is this somehow subliminally relevant to the topic at hand? if not, no big deal. if so awesome!

In less than 1 hour the UN Security Council chairmanship changes to a different country. TURKEY

Maybe shots would be fired - warning shots, and shots to disable the ship. But as soon as you're boarding a boat in international waters and shooting people on board then what you're doing isn't ok - no matter what. Shame on you man, those were humanitarian aid workers not fucking dogs, you can't just KILL people because they crossed an imaginary line that you set, it's not right.

What were the alternatives? Disabling the ship, waiting until the ship landed and having people there to arrest them, boarding the ship in large numbers and taking the people into custody that way. Even fucking pirates don't kill people on boats, pirates, and they manage to take over boats. This is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world and their commandos can't take a beating with some plastic chairs and metal rods in full body armor? Oh please. Beating them up, disabling the boat, arresting them and putting them through court are all reasonable but killing them? Killing aid workers that are trying to do nothing more than help some people in need...you're saying that that is ok? Come on man, all decency morals and ideals aside you really think killing them was a proportionate reaction to the threat that these humanitarians posed?

someone told me so i feel obligated to inform you

making sense around here isn't welcome

There was no tie-in initially, but I guess it could mean something, somehow.

How about - if Israel was home to cute little dogbirds it would be a place worth saving. If not, then, well, fuck em!

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The parents
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Honestly, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Criminals are criminals. But when a government uses a military force it's considered "proper" and legal.

If Canada sends a hit team into Mexico to kill someone, that's illegal. But if Canada invades Mexico with their army and kills tens of thousands, well, that's perfectly legal.

Kind of fucked up, isn't it?

Your wrong. If it comes within a certain range of the United States and is suspected of carrying drugs, the United States has every right to stop that ship under international law.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

they weren't carrying illegal drugs, they had humanitarian aid to give Civilians, thats the difference.

the reason You're defending this shame is, maybe You have sympathy to Israel.

if that was Iran or an Arab country most likely You weren't be saying those things.

I don't understand your point. They could have disabled the ship by what - firing on it and taking it out? That only works in the movies.

And even if they could disable it, then what? Try to board then? Wait until it sinks? Wait until they surrender? Wait until another ship came to rescue them?

They ordered the ship to stop in accordance with international law, the ship refused, and it was boarded under force.

Your calling them "aid workers" and I'm calling them criminals who intentionally violated a blockade, opposed the Israeli Navy, and then attacked them as they boarded the ship. They violated international law - the law of the sea (which is a treaty as gay as it sounds) and refused to stop when ordered to do so. I'm not sure what your parents taught you when you were a kid, but your captain of a ship and a warship orders you to stop, you fucking stop. If not, you get shot at.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fgTtyKeZTcE

last time an international humanitarian boat came to visit us....

http://www.globaljihad.net/view_page.asp?id=1349

NIce to see an israeli here, I watched the movie defamation the other day, found it facinating.

U sure that wasn't a ship from america to israel? Israel is the king of false flags ya know.

International law is not stop when I tell you to stop, it is if you are in someone elses waters and you defy them then they can stop you - not kill you.

Yes they could have boarded the ship, arrested everyone on board with non-lethal force.

Why not man?

I think I'm pretty sure with this one...

but you know what happens when one of these ships come in without searching?



Have you ever thought what you can do in 15 seconds? That's the amount of time I have to collect my two kids, my 8 months pregnant and myself to find a shelter before we get hit...



So, yes... I am very sorry that the operation yesterday went bad, I really am. Did you know that the marine soldiers stormed the boat with Paintball guns as their main weapon, having a real sidearm gun only as backup? The real guns fired only after an extremist managed it somehow to take the gun from a soldier and fire at him - only than the soldiers fired back with real guns...

Honestly nothing you can say will change my mind. Especially this kind of stuff.

What do you expect when you bulldoze their houses, kill their relatives, put them into refugee camps. Only the jews can twist this around and call the people who try to fight back terrorists. Not all jews, cause some are actually against the existence of israel.

450 zionists

Now we're talking!

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I won't argue about that, all I'm telling is my side of the story... I don't bulldoze anybody, and don't kill any relatives... I don't twist around anything. All I try to do is raise a family, trying to give my kids a good education.

I'm sure that the solution to the current crappy situation won't come from violence and there has to be done something to change things around here in the middle east. But my biggest fear was that they IDF would let the ships arrive without any inspection of the contents...

As I see it things went terribly wrong last night, and that's not how it was planned and was supposed to go... This could have had a better end ...

nice that your kids get a chance of a good education

the people that died in that 'terrible night' were trying to win the same right for other people your country is responsible for.

as a taxpayer that gives your country money, i suggest you look into that.

Maybe you missed it but I have stated multiple times that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.

Who keeps posting this stupid shit on here?! :mad:

Idiot troll, get lost douche! :321GFY

Fucking morons posting on this board sometimes, I tell ya! :disgust

well put

Israel starts these fights, everyone firing rockets into Israel is defending themselves most of the time. Why can't you understand that? Do you feel sorry for a bully that goes up and starts slapping people around when someone stands up for themselves? This is Israel starting the fights, breaking the cease fires and bringing this on themselves. What should people do as their relatives get killed, sit there and wait? They've tried that, and Israel is the one that attacks first after these waits. Israel attacks first. Do you get it?

Oh I'm sorry I didn't research your views throughout your board career. I meant Israel in this situation. You clearly support them, sport. Don't be mad that you can't get around my arguments, maybe the right thing to do is change your stance on things before finding a pet name for me!

Right, because Israel and their allies aren't the ones responsible for the vast, vast, vast majority of the violence that goes on around the world.

If Arabs put down their weapons then the US would come in and invade, take their land and their oil leaving their country in shambles. It's happened. Don't be silly.

Wake up and get your head out of your ass dude.

No where have I stated that I support them in this situation...what I have stated is I understand why they do what they do...and why they did what they did in this situation. Understanding does not equal support. I will not change my stance...thank you very much.

the UK has 10,000 troops in afghanistan and has had troops their since the start of the war. that's hardly minimal considering we had quite a few troops in iraq also.