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Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193201)
Well, I guess in this one case, the lack of elaboration would explain A LOT~! :1orglaugh

Yes it does :thumbsup but how many people here know about the Jews of Palestine fighting British rule with militias, kidnappings, bombings (including the British headquarters)...or how the US fucked over the Brits to force the creation of Israel... etc

Amputate Your Head 05-31-2010 10:05 AM

You guys are getting sidetracked with this "who started terrorism" shit.

Let's face it, terrorism was created by the fucking cavemen.
One dude had some dinosaur short ribs on the barbie, and another dude was throwing rocks at him to try and "terrorize" him to create an opportunity to steal it.

Now then... can we get back to the Jews and Arabs fucking each other?

SmokeyTheBear 05-31-2010 10:07 AM

btw the report of handguns is that when the idf intially got on the ship they were swarmed and some of the soldiers had their pistols stolen. the only weapons found so far on the ships were some slingshots and of course some knives , but you cant have a boat without a knife of some sort.

theking 05-31-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17193209)
curious to know who was shot.. this is pretty crazy

Well it is being reported...as well as by video...that some of the ones shot were Israeli forces. It is being reported that the Israeli forces boarded the vessels with riot control weapons and side arms...and it was only after Israeli forces were attacked...stabbed...shot and thrown overboard that the Israeli forces used their side arms...and engaged with deadly force.

smutnut 05-31-2010 10:09 AM

Okay, everyone is correct. We're here and now! :thumbsup

smutnut 05-31-2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 17193229)
Yes it does :thumbsup but how many people here know about the Jews of Palestine fighting British rule with militias, kidnappings, bombings (including the British headquarters)...or how the US fucked over the Brits to force the creation of Israel... etc

You are very connected to the Jews of Palestine and I'm not sure what you are getting at but have a good idea.

cykoe6 05-31-2010 10:12 AM

It is good too see a country that is willing to try and protect their borders and citizens. It would be nice to see the US follow this example. :2 cents:

Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193266)
You are very connected to the Jews of Palestine and I'm not sure what you are getting at but have a good idea.

Nope you don't. Jewish revolt against the Brits preceded Israel's creation, how am I suppose to call them?

The Demon 05-31-2010 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17193268)
It is good too see a country that is willing to try and protect their borders and citizens. It would be nice to see the US follow this example. :2 cents:

No way, how dare you! Israel created terrorism and is the epitome of terrorism! Obama should do something about it! Lol

The Demon 05-31-2010 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 17193277)
Nope you don't. Jewish revolt against the Brits preceded Israel's creation, how am I suppose to call them?

Yet you conveniently forget Arabs revolted against the Brits, which eclipsed what the Jews did.

czarina 05-31-2010 10:21 AM

neither Israel nor Palestine are right in this conflict, so they should just stop the attacks on each other and sit down to negotiate; without attacking any more ships, of course!

TheDoc 05-31-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17193135)
You're not suggesting that Israel didn't deserve to become Israel, are you?

It's not about deserve...

What happened to them does not mean, they can be given the right to steal another Country, murder people, act like terrorists to those people and basically tell everyone to fuck off at every corner.

The only reason it happened and continues to happen is that stupid ass book of lies.

The Demon 05-31-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17193297)
It's not about deserve...

What happened to them does not mean, they can be given the right to steal another Country, murder people, act like terrorists to those people and basically tell everyone to fuck off at every corner.

The only reason it happened and continues to happen is that stupid ass book of lies.

Apparently you've ignored the past 62 years of Middle Eastern History, nor understand what "stealing another country means", nor are even able to judge the situation objectively. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17193282)
Yet you conveniently forget Arab revolt against the Brits, which eclipsed what the Jews did.

Most people know nothing about the Jewish insurection which is why I brought it up.

Anyway I have no interest in discussing politics with a yapping teenager. Sorry kid.

roly 05-31-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17193251)
It is being reported that the Israeli forces boarded the vessels with riot control weapons and side arms...and it was only after Israeli forces were attacked...stabbed...shot and thrown overboard that the Israeli forces used their side arms...and engaged with deadly force.

that's not what i've been reading or seeing on videos. got a source?

Marcus Aurelius 05-31-2010 10:32 AM

Isn't boarding a ship in international waters considered piracy?

smutnut 05-31-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 17193329)
Most people know nothing about the Jewish insurection which is why I brought it up.

Anyway I have no interest in discussing politics with a yapping teenager. Sorry kid.

Well, despite this little spat, what the Jews have on their side is that any move against them is comparable to genocide. This is crap, but I don't blame them for feeling that way.

Problem is we have to move past...

Not sure myself the Arabs don't want all Jews DEAD! I want to think this is bull crap but I kind of believe that Muslims want the Jews Dead. Why? And how do we handle this?

theking 05-31-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by roly (Post 17193333)
that's not what i've been reading or seeing on videos. got a source?

Yes...watching the news media...and I watched the video...showing the force that was used against the Israeli forces as they boarded one of the vessels.

TheDoc 05-31-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17193317)
Apparently you've ignored the past 62 years of Middle Eastern History, nor understand what "stealing another country means", nor are even able to judge the situation objectively. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

Yawn.. as already stated in this thread, you're unable to debate anything in this thread... as usual, you post garbage and liter threads with your repetitive spew.

theking 05-31-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17193297)
It's not about deserve...

What happened to them does not mean, they can be given the right to steal another Country, murder people, act like terrorists to those people and basically tell everyone to fuck off at every corner.

The only reason it happened and continues to happen is that stupid ass book of lies.

I sssume that you must be aware that there has not always been a country of Palestine...and that at different points of time in history...the country of "Palestine" was controlled by various countries...some of which no longer exist...and that at one point in time "Palestine" was the nation of Israel. My point being that to use the term "to steal another country" really does not have any meaning of import. Through out history it pretty much boils down to "might is right"...and is applicable to our own country.

Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193370)
Problem is we have to move past...

Not sure myself the Arabs don't want all Jews DEAD! I want to think this is bull crap but I kind of believe that Muslims want the Jews Dead. Why? And how do we handle this?

If you keep a cat in a cage he is going to come out scratching, do you put him back in the cage or let him out and try to live with him?

I don't know the answer

but I do think who holds the most power holds the most responsability, so really right now any solution can only come from Israel. If they really want a solution that is of course:upsidedow

smutnut 05-31-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 17193413)
If you keep a cat in a cage he is going to come out scratching, do you put him back in the cage or let him out and try to live with him?

I don't know the answer

but I do think who holds the most power holds the most responsability, so really right now any solution can only come from Israel. If they really want a solution that is of course:upsidedow

You believe Isreal has any real power?

theking 05-31-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 17193413)
If you keep a cat in a cage he is going to come out scratching, do you put him back in the cage or let him out and try to live with him?

I don't know the answer

but I do think who holds the most power holds the most responsability, so really right now any solution can only come from Israel. If they really want a solution that is of course:upsidedow

Of course Israel has been trying to resolve the matter and at one point had agreed to 90 plus percent of Palestinian demands but at the very last moment Arafat refused.

martinsc 05-31-2010 10:59 AM

Just to remind you all what happened last time with the Karin A.....
https://youtube.com/watch?v=az1HW0sGkEo
and this is what I and my kids have to deal with a lot lately
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9rHK3d5FGN8 this is what happens when Israel does not inspect ships... which is 300 meters from where I live with my wife and kids...

what are 15 seconds for you?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hUBX8ROqLwE


This is my reality... So I am all for the humanitarian aid, but let's verify it really is humanitarian aid, and not weapons....

:2 cents:

Quagmire 05-31-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17192987)
Sort of like if you don't support Obama you're a racist, and if you don't support same sex marriages you're a bigot? Then again, your premise made absolutely no sense since nobody has even remotely come close to stating something like that. Carry on:)

First part - yes, second part - derp?

What does the thread have to do with it? If someone makes a statement that is anti-Israeli policy people automatically pull the jew-hater card out and throw it on the table or they rack up a ton of excuses why its ok.

Israel attacked and boarded foreign vessels in international waters. What is there to defend?

J. Falcon 05-31-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17192581)
once the demon enters a thread there's no need to continue reading it

I couldn't agree more. :2 cents:

smutnut 05-31-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17193433)
Of course Israel has been trying to resolve the matter and at one point had agreed to 90 plus percent of Palestinian demands but at the very last moment Arafat refused.

Is Arafat still ALIVE?

Amputate Your Head 05-31-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17193317)
Apparently you've ignored the past 62 years of Middle Eastern History, nor understand what "stealing another country means", nor are even able to judge the situation objectively. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

I certainly hope you are against Arizona's new racial profiling law.
Because according to the GFY experts, to the conquerors go the spoils.

"All lands are invaded and conquered, it's just a fact of life, get over it." is what I'm used to hearing. So if that still applies, then the Palestinians got exactly what they deserved. They lost. Now they can deal with it.

J. Falcon 05-31-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17193037)
Oh look, The Demon coming in killing a thread with his spewing bullshit of name calling...

Do you actually have any arguments to debate or will you always resort to childish argument tactics?

He's intellectually superior. Just take his word for it.

theking 05-31-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193442)
Is Arafat still ALIVE?

No...but his rejection is alive and well...but what Israel was willing to agree to at that point in time...I do not think is alive and well...so the Arabs continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

BFT3K 05-31-2010 11:11 AM

I wonder what the world would be like if Israel never existed?

smutnut 05-31-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17193464)
No...but his rejection is alive and well...but what Israel was willing to agree to at that point in time...I do not think is alive and well...so the Arabs continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

Did he just die or get killed for trying to cooperate?

smutnut 05-31-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17193468)
No it didn't. You're a Jew and you don't even know Israeli history? Here is the truth about Israels history. Just after WWII there were many Jews that tried to immigrate to the US after war. Truman who was open about his dislikes for the Jews pressured England to turn over Palestine to the (newly formed) UN. England first refused and was actually gearing up to set up an offensive because Jewish settlers were running "terrorist raids" (from Cyprus) and actually blew up the English Governor and his family in their home.

Again, the US put pressure on England because at the time England needed US support to rebuild and manage their overseas colonies. The British folded and gave Palestine to the UN and the UN then gave the country to the Arab Palestinians. The Jews then hustled, bought, or killed for the country in pieces from the Arabs. :2 cents:

The problem is not your average Israeli because they are like everyone else, they just want to raise a family and and get on with life. The real problem with Israel is the minority religious Jews who are just as fanatical and are straight out racists (elitists) as Muslim terrorist if not worse.

Case in point, the first Israeli president that pressed for true peace and ignored the religious right was assassinated for it by a Jew. The Americans supported Israel because we have our own religious-right who actually believe the second coming of Christ can only happen if there is a country called Israel. Ironically, the American religious-right are too stupid to understand what happens if Jesus did come back because all non-Christians would need to convert or die.

Anyway, back to the boat issue. You do realize that the world recognizes the Arabs as a Palestinian state? You also do understand that the Arabs have their own harbors outside of Israel correct? In short, the IDF commandos just pirated an aid boat and now acting like victims?

I'm not sure on all your facts here, but i do know the UK had their nose everywhere and America wasn't a Real World Power Until After WWII.

All the religious bullshit is just that - bullshit!
I do know the Jews used terrorist tactics against the Uk when they wanted them out of Isreal.

I'm not sure America should turn it's back on Isreal but they need to start showing us more respect cause we are still a world power at least temporarily.

Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193425)
You believe Isreal has any real power?

In short yes, I believe they do.

I don't mean tin foil hat jews control the world power, I mean Israel itself is not the underdog of 40 years ago. They can do with Palestine what they please, who is going to fight them? Not Egypt, Iran posture but they have other problems, Syria using Lebanon as a proxy a little..

theking 05-31-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193486)
Did he just die or get killed for trying to cooperate?

He died.

onwebcam 05-31-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17193468)
No it didn't. You're a Jew and you don't even know Israeli history? Here is the truth about Israels history. Just after WWII there were many Jews that tried to immigrate to the US after war. Truman who was open about his dislikes for the Jews pressured England to turn over Palestine to the (newly formed) UN. England first refused and was actually gearing up to set up an offensive because Jewish settlers were running "terrorist raids" (from Cyprus) and actually blew up the English Governor and his family in their home.

Again, the US put pressure on England because at the time England needed US support to rebuild and manage their overseas colonies. The British folded and gave Palestine to the UN and the UN then gave the country to the Arab Palestinians. The Jews then hustled, bought, or killed for the country in pieces from the Arabs. :2 cents:

The problem is not your average Israeli because they are like everyone else, they just want to raise a family and and get on with life. The real problem with Israel is the minority religious Jews who are just as fanatical and are straight out racists (elitists) as Muslim terrorist if not worse.

Case in point, the first Israeli president that pressed for true peace and ignored the religious right was assassinated for it by a Jew. The Americans supported Israel because we have our own religious-right who actually believe the second coming of Christ can only happen if there is a country called Israel. Ironically, the American religious-right are too stupid to understand what happens if Jesus did come back because all non-Christians would need to convert or die.

Anyway, back to the boat issue. You do realize that the world recognizes the Arabs as a Palestinian state? You also do understand that the Arabs have their own harbors outside of Israel correct? In short, the IDF commandos just pirated an aid boat and now acting like victims?

And let's add to that, that Rahm Emanuel's father was one of those terrorists.

Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193506)
I do know the Jews used terrorist tactics against the Uk when they wanted them out of Isreal.

There was no Israel. Israel is a state. They fought the British so the UN could create Israel.

smutnut 05-31-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 17193510)
In short yes, I believe they do.

I don't mean tin foil hat jews control the world power, I mean Israel itself is not the underdog of 40 years ago. They can do with Palestine what they please, who is going to fight them? Not Egypt, Iran posture but they have other problems, Syria using Lebanon as a proxy a little..

Isreal should be smart, but I don't understand all the politics. I wouldn't support a Race that wants me dead either and thus I don't like Islam. Islam wants us all dead Jews and Gentiles, but it doesn't seem right that...

Arabs were relocated so Isreal could exist and we supported that. There is something wrong there even though I know who's side I'm on.

Slappin Fish 05-31-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17193528)
I wouldn't support a Race that wants me dead either and thus I don't like Islam. Islam wants us all dead Jews and Gentiles, but it doesn't seem right that...

Arabs were relocated so Isreal could exist and we supported that. There is something wrong there even though I know who's side I'm on.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I don't like Islam either, we can agree there...

mayabong 05-31-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 17192251)
it boils down to this.

If the Arabs put down their weapons there will be no more killing and war.
If the Israelis put down their weapons there will be no more Israel.

Yeah believe that.


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