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Dirty F · 03-11-2013, 07:23 AM

250 non working join pages.

NewNick · 03-11-2013, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

I might have a different level of understanding abd acceptance of dmca law, but please do not write blatantly wrong things. Dmca is not about allowing people to steal! It exists out of the knowledge that certain aspects of the Internet require putting blame on the right person, the uploader and not the site owner. But I am not going to make this thread into a dmca discussion, jt deserves more.

The biz changed, and you can not all blame me, that's too easy!

Jeez, not this again.

Yes I know everyone that profits from copyright laws argue tooth and nail that it is not theft, and everyone that loses out to copyright infringement uses considerably stronger language to describe that fact that others are profiting from their work without permission or paying a fee.

The fact is that DMCA offers a massive loophole. If this loophole did not exist the tube model would never exist.

The only companies that have ever faced legal action over theft/copyright infringement are those that do not follow the DMCA take down requests.

Take that borrowed content down and you are in the clear. But it back a week later and you are still in the clear. Its that simple.

Without this simple fact the adult tube business would never have become what it is today. Can you imagine if the original tube owners had been forced to pay for all that content ?

I never blamed you for changing the biz, and the state of the paysite/affiliate business is of no consequence to me whatsoever. I just suggested that you should call a spade a spade, and that you should not be too surprised if some people get upset at your attitude on this board.

Finally, I do find it odd that you crave acceptance here. Like a cheating husband who gets upset when his wife does not love him anymore. What does it matter that the old school affiliates and webmasters think you are a thief ? What does it matter to you that the finer points of DMCA are not fully understood at GFY ? Are you not the big winner ? Are you not on top looking down ?

I would have thought that you have more important things to concern yourself with.

Just sayin.....

03-11-2013, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286

The join page doesnt work but you got 800 sign ups? Im confused and you didnt know its not working.

The join pages work for me and my editors that just tried them, and for all the new members that already joined, but I sent the note Dawg made to my devs to see if there is an issue somewhere. I dont believe there is as we are getting signups all the time, but best to check.

tony286 · 03-11-2013, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruseful

The join pages work for me and my editors that just tried them, and for all the new members that already joined, but I sent the note Dawg made to my devs to see if there is an issue somewhere. I dont believe there is as we are getting signups all the time, but best to check.

I clicked on credit card and check and its goes back to the same page.

Dirty F · 03-11-2013, 07:59 AM

Join page works fine for me. What is really stupid imo though is when i click the join page i get a huge Playboy popup right on top of the join page. Something i would never do on my site.

CaptainHowdy · 03-11-2013, 08:12 AM

Hornydog4cooter · 03-11-2013, 08:30 AM

Very interesting thread! I have been dabbling with the tubes the last few years and i can see by the amount of views Ruseful is getting on his videos that his signup he says he gets would work out right.

But from a affiliate point of view i could not push your affiliate program ruseful. Your guy approached me several times to promote you sites but your affiliate program is not affiliate friendly and from a affiliate stand point its not worth promoting.

First of the whole pre checked cross sale on revshare is a deal breaker from the get go. I am assuming the affiliate does not get credit from the prechecked which is a big no no. Also the whole 1 day cookie is another issue. I also got a popup for playboy on my revshare links.

Fix the issues i stated above and you will pick up more affiliates and more sales. Your content is great so what ever you our doing there keep doing it

GonZo · 03-11-2013, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Join page works fine for me. What is really stupid imo though is when i click the join page i get a huge Playboy popup right on top of the join page. Something i would never do on my site.

Got to raise that 14M some how.

03-11-2013, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Very interesting thread! I have been dabbling with the tubes the last few years and i can see by the amount of views Ruseful is getting on his videos that his signup he says he gets would work out right.

But from a affiliate point of view i could not push your affiliate program ruseful. Your guy approached me several times to promote you sites but your affiliate program is not affiliate friendly and from a affiliate stand point its not worth promoting.

First of the whole pre checked cross sale on revshare is a deal breaker from the get go. I am assuming the affiliate does not get credit from the prechecked which is a big no no. Also the whole 1 day cookie is another issue. I also got a popup for playboy on my revshare links.

Fix the issues i stated above and you will pick up more affiliates and more sales. Your content is great so what ever you our doing there keep doing it

Thanks for the heads up. Yes, my Affiliate Manager was as useful as a chocolate fire guard and disappeared on me over a month ago. I guess I put way to much trust in that guy. We are in recruitment mode and once we find the guy/girl, then the affiliate side of the business will be back on track for sure.

Mark67 · 03-11-2013, 08:51 AM

250 non working join pages

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

But from a affiliate point of view i could not push your affiliate program ruseful. Your guy approached me several times to promote you sites but your affiliate program is not affiliate friendly and from a affiliate stand point its not worth promoting.

First of the whole pre checked cross sale on revshare is a deal breaker from the get go. I am assuming the affiliate does not get credit from the prechecked which is a big no no. Also the whole 1 day cookie is another issue. I also got a popup for playboy on my revshare links.

Fix the issues i stated above and you will pick up more affiliates and more sales. Your content is great so what ever you our doing there keep doing it

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.
"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"
"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.
"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"
"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"
"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.
"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.
"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"
The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.
"I could not help myself. It is my nature."
Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.
Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

Hornydog4cooter · 03-11-2013, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Thanks for the heads up. Yes, my Affiliate Manager was as useful as a chocolate fire guard and disappeared on me over a month ago. I guess I put way to much trust in that guy. We are in recruitment mode and once we find the guy/girl, then the affiliate side of the business will be back on track for sure.

Well the 1 day cookie is a easy fix on ccbill and nats that should take 5 minutes to do. Also i see you are using Gammea for billing so contact Gammea and they should be able to to remove the the crosssale from the revshare links. Also any plans in the future for adding PPS?

Whats the best way to contact you i will send you over details how to fix your issues.
I would really love to to promote your sites

ExtremeBank_Adam · 03-11-2013, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruseful

Because I am not only an owner of a paysite network but also a partner of the company that owns www.PornTube.com, www.4Tube and www.fux.com and the more Content Partners that follow my advice, the better content I get for my tubes. Which in turn increases views, Click thrus and member sales. So I get paid both sides of the fence, so what you may think I lose by helping pay sites with their tube strategies, I gain in more users of my tubes.

Thanks for the links... sending you some DMCA notices now...

BTW, why are my SAME EXACT videos loaded on all three of your sites, all uploaded by different users, but just happen to be loaded at the same time on each site. And, these mysterious uploaders sure know how to place keywords in every title to grab as many search engine hits as possible... yeah, right.

Just one example, of many:
http://www.fux.com/video/150017/naug...-monster-dildo
Loaded 15 days ago by "Kuharik"

That same video:
http://www.4tube.com/videos/176171/m...alysha-and-pal
Loaded 14 days ago by "Wolden"

That same video:
http://www.porntube.com/videos/naugh...-dildo_1231637
Loaded 13 days ago by "bluerazrburn"

And, that's the case with EVERY SINGLE one of my videos that you have on your sites. All uploaded during the same timeframe, all by "anonymous users" with different usernames, all with my watermarks removed, and all with search engine placement in mind when titling them. I call bullshit.

NewNick · 03-11-2013, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

Thanks for the links... sending you some DMCA notices now...

BTW, why are my SAME EXACT videos loaded on all three of your sites, all uploaded by different users, but just happen to be loaded at the same time on each site. And, these mysterious uploaders sure know how to place keywords in every title to grab as many search engine hits as possible... yeah, right.

Just one example, of many:
http://www.fux.com/video/150017/naug...-monster-dildo
Loaded 15 days ago by "Kuharik"

That same video:
http://www.4tube.com/videos/176171/m...alysha-and-pal
Loaded 14 days ago by "Wolden"

That same video:
http://www.porntube.com/videos/naugh...-dildo_1231637
Loaded 13 days ago by "bluerazrburn"

And, that's the case with EVERY SINGLE one of my videos that you have on your sites. All uploaded during the same timeframe, all by "anonymous users" with different usernames, all with my watermarks removed, and all with search engine placement in mind when titling them. I call bullshit.

Yes - this is the problem. If they just called a spade a spade..........and we regularly hear the same complaints about Manwin properties.

Lets just say it how it is, DMCA gives the tube owner a loophole which he exploits for all he is worth. Until the take down notice comes. Then it goes back up again.

It's not new technology, or improved distribution, it is what it is. So if Fabian et al were a bit more honest when they come on hear telling everyone how to make sales they might get a little less flack.

Instead they witter on about high level venture capital meetings and analyzing the data.

NewNick · 03-11-2013, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.
"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"
"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.
"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"
"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"
"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.
"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.
"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"
The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.
"I could not help myself. It is my nature."
Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.
Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

Great film with an interesting twist........

FUCK J0EL · 03-11-2013, 10:29 AM

blablabla for most of what people post here...
But I can vouch for what JT is saying here.
Like it or not !

Three.Thousand · 03-11-2013, 10:34 AM

and here ive been thinking all along that 4tube & co were the only real honest, innovative tubes, going against the grain and showing it was pssible without stealing. i guess i was wrong.

GonZo · 03-11-2013, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

Thanks for the links... sending you some DMCA notices now...

BTW, why are my SAME EXACT videos loaded on all three of your sites, all uploaded by different users, but just happen to be loaded at the same time on each site. And, these mysterious uploaders sure know how to place keywords in every title to grab as many search engine hits as possible... yeah, right.

Just one example, of many:
http://www.fux.com/video/150017/naug...-monster-dildo
Loaded 15 days ago by "Kuharik"

That same video:
http://www.4tube.com/videos/176171/m...alysha-and-pal
Loaded 14 days ago by "Wolden"

That same video:
http://www.porntube.com/videos/naugh...-dildo_1231637
Loaded 13 days ago by "bluerazrburn"

And, that's the case with EVERY SINGLE one of my videos that you have on your sites. All uploaded during the same timeframe, all by "anonymous users" with different usernames, all with my watermarks removed, and all with search engine placement in mind when titling them. I call bullshit.

I guess owning the biggest studios outside of Japan isnt enough so they must starve out all the competition anyway they can.

And just think Adam you dont have a radio show either where you can showcase tallent with documented cases of STDs.
Playboy Enterprises must be very proud of their partnering choice.

webgurl · 03-11-2013, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

Thanks for the links... sending you some DMCA notices now...

BTW, why are my SAME EXACT videos loaded on all three of your sites, all uploaded by different users, but just happen to be loaded at the same time on each site. And, these mysterious uploaders sure know how to place keywords in every title to grab as many search engine hits as possible... yeah, right.

Just one example, of many:
http://www.fux.com/video/150017/naug...-monster-dildo
Loaded 15 days ago by "Kuharik"

That same video:
http://www.4tube.com/videos/176171/m...alysha-and-pal
Loaded 14 days ago by "Wolden"

That same video:
http://www.porntube.com/videos/naugh...-dildo_1231637
Loaded 13 days ago by "bluerazrburn"

And, that's the case with EVERY SINGLE one of my videos that you have on your sites. All uploaded during the same timeframe, all by "anonymous users" with different usernames, all with my watermarks removed, and all with search engine placement in mind when titling them. I call bullshit.

We do our best here to be compliant.
If anybody has an issue with their content that is not authorised to be on our network of tubes email me lizz@dreamstarcash(.)com

Adam, I'm hitting you up on ICQ now. Thanks

signupdamnit · 03-11-2013, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

Thanks for the links... sending you some DMCA notices now...

BTW, why are my SAME EXACT videos loaded on all three of your sites, all uploaded by different users, but just happen to be loaded at the same time on each site. And, these mysterious uploaders sure know how to place keywords in every title to grab as many search engine hits as possible... yeah, right.

Just one example, of many:
http://www.fux.com/video/150017/naug...-monster-dildo
Loaded 15 days ago by "Kuharik"

That same video:
http://www.4tube.com/videos/176171/m...alysha-and-pal
Loaded 14 days ago by "Wolden"

That same video:
http://www.porntube.com/videos/naugh...-dildo_1231637
Loaded 13 days ago by "bluerazrburn"

And, that's the case with EVERY SINGLE one of my videos that you have on your sites. All uploaded during the same timeframe, all by "anonymous users" with different usernames, all with my watermarks removed, and all with search engine placement in mind when titling them. I call bullshit.

Isn't this kind of thing enough to sue over? I know the DMCA does not protect a tube if the owners are uploading or if they are paying people to upload stolen content. Even outside of the U.S. it's my understanding that most nations have some sort of laws and court system to punish theft.

I don't understand why people aren't suing or why sponsors aren't getting together as a group and pooling resources to sue. You could conceivably take everything they own including all their tubes. The payoff would potentially be huge.

You would think the evidence shown here and in the past would be enough for at least a supeana for more information and the start of a very strong discovery process. And they would almost be sure to settle because once certain information gets out or a judge rules against them they are totally fucked. There would be avalanche of lawsuits from people looking to get a piece of them and every other tube like theirs.

To me these guys seem like walking targets which say "sue me" and "free money".

Imortyl Pussycat · 03-11-2013, 11:32 AM

i love the content on the site, congrats

ExtremeBank_Adam · 03-11-2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Isn't this kind of thing enough to sue over? I know the DMCA does not protect a tube if the owners are uploading or if they are paying people to upload stolen content. Even outside of the U.S. it's my understanding that most nations have some sort of laws and court system to punish theft.

I don't understand why people aren't suing or why sponsors aren't getting together as a group and pooling resources to sue. You could conceivably take everything they own including all their tubes. The payoff would potentially be huge.

You would think the evidence shown here and in the past would be enough for at least a supeana for more information and the start of a very strong discovery process. And they would almost be sure to settle because once certain information gets out or a judge rules against them they are totally fucked. There would be avalanche of lawsuits from people looking to get a piece of them and every other tube like theirs.

To me these guys seem like walking targets which say "sue me" and "free money".

I made screen captures of all the pages, so perhaps that's something I should inquire about with my attorney. Doing a conference call with him next week about an unrelated matter, so I'll bring it up then...

JAPhoto · 03-11-2013, 01:05 PM

This looks great! I can't wait to get in on this.

Assistant to Jay Allan

Captain Kawaii · 03-11-2013, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick

Yes - this is the problem. If they just called a spade a spade..........and we regularly hear the same complaints about Manwin properties.

Lets just say it how it is, DMCA gives the tube owner a loophole which he exploits for all he is worth. Until the take down notice comes. Then it goes back up again.

It's not new technology, or improved distribution, it is what it is. So if Fabian et al were a bit more honest when they come on hear telling everyone how to make sales they might get a little less flack.

Instead they witter on about high level venture capital meetings and analyzing the data.

You expect honesty from crooks?

Nathan · 03-11-2013, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick

Jeez, not this again.

Yes I know everyone that profits from copyright laws argue tooth and nail that it is not theft, and everyone that loses out to copyright infringement uses considerably stronger language to describe that fact that others are profiting from their work without permission or paying a fee.

The fact is that DMCA offers a massive loophole. If this loophole did not exist the tube model would never exist.

The only companies that have ever faced legal action over theft/copyright infringement are those that do not follow the DMCA take down requests.

Take that borrowed content down and you are in the clear. But it back a week later and you are still in the clear. Its that simple.

Without this simple fact the adult tube business would never have become what it is today. Can you imagine if the original tube owners had been forced to pay for all that content ?

I never blamed you for changing the biz, and the state of the paysite/affiliate business is of no consequence to me whatsoever. I just suggested that you should call a spade a spade, and that you should not be too surprised if some people get upset at your attitude on this board.

Finally, I do find it odd that you crave acceptance here. Like a cheating husband who gets upset when his wife does not love him anymore. What does it matter that the old school affiliates and webmasters think you are a thief ? What does it matter to you that the finer points of DMCA are not fully understood at GFY ? Are you not the big winner ? Are you not on top looking down ?

I would have thought that you have more important things to concern yourself with.

Just sayin.....

We can agree to disagree.. It is not as simple as you put it, mainly due to DMCA law. There are people out there that think they are running what you all call 'legal tubes' which actually are more likely to lose a court case if it comes to it than any of the other tubes...

Regarding why I crave acceptance... I do not crave anything. I simply like a healthy discussion, it looks like it is at least partly possible with some of the people in this thread. In the end, I do not care what most people think I am. The people I care about know me much better and thus I am all good with whatever you here think... Why the rest of it matters to me, is because I am genuinely interested in helping people make money, of course partly because it makes me money too. I am in a position from which I think I can give advice, and if just one person reading this thread takes it, its all I am hoping for...

EriktheRabbit · 03-11-2013, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J0EL

blablabla for most of what people post here...
But I can vouch for what JT is saying here.
Like it or not !

And you're legit!

NewNick · 03-11-2013, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

We can agree to disagree.. It is not as simple as you put it, mainly due to DMCA law. There are people out there that think they are running what you all call 'legal tubes' which actually are more likely to lose a court case if it comes to it than any of the other tubes...

Regarding why I crave acceptance... I do not crave anything. I simply like a healthy discussion, it looks like it is at least partly possible with some of the people in this thread. In the end, I do not care what most people think I am. The people I care about know me much better and thus I am all good with whatever you here think... Why the rest of it matters to me, is because I am genuinely interested in helping people make money, of course partly because it makes me money too. I am in a position from which I think I can give advice, and if just one person reading this thread takes it, its all I am hoping for...

Ok we can disagree on that one.

Serious question.

I dont know if you have children or not, but as a parent I would be a lot happier if porn was behind pay walls.

I do not want to debate the effectiveness of a credit card as a age verification system, but I do know that when the paysite was the only place to get your fix of porn my children were a lot less likely to find the extreme hardcore that is a click away today.

Again I am well aware of the arguments about responsible parenting etc, but absolutely no one who has is older than the age of 30 can argue that our society is much more sexualized than ever before, our children learn their sexual education from tubes, I dont believe this is a good thing for society. I also believe that we are now seeing the thin end of the wedge in Europe re regulation. The EU VOD directive will enforce age verification for European producers, and we have,in a large part, free unlimited porn to blame for the onslaught of regulation that is either being drafted or is already in place.

Three.Thousand · 03-11-2013, 03:15 PM

Don't worry, the new EU directives doesn't apply to user uploaded content.
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife. The tubes are safe!

Nathan · 03-11-2013, 03:16 PM

NewNick,

I have kids. And yes, I think parenting is the important factor here and is what matters. I would prefer all porn to be on paysites only, but that ship has sailed long ago, and I can not solve this problem right now. Thus, I am happy with trying to make the sites I can control as safe as possible in the current climate.

I do however disagree that there is a PROBLEM with people seeing porn at a younger age than 10 years ago. There have been many studies on this subject, and boys that share videos on their phones (which is the main source right now btw, and they do not come from tubes) in school actually share them not because they like what they see. They actually all look for 'normal' sex like everyone else did 10 years ago. So nothing changed there it seems. Kids are not that easily manipulated.

This is from a study I read about in a german paper btw. There is a problem with kids in certain poorer areas, but these problems again do not come from tubes or free porn online, it comes from parents not caring and actually letting their kids sit next to them while they watch porn on their own. Or interacting among adults so badly that kids learn that sex buys love. This is 100% a parenting thing though again and has nothing to do with free porn online.

And the EU VOD directive does not enforce that, it is more complicated than that and depends on exact implementation in each member state. It seems to be causing this in the UK, it will not cause this everywhere.

If you have a suggestion on how to kill free porn everywhere on the internet, please share it! If it works, I will help you implement it asap!

The sad thing about stuff like the EU VOD directive is that they think they are solving a problem, but actually are solving nothing. This is something that the internet 'revolution' needs to figure out, it is the hardest part of the whole development, the fact that control is basically gone.

The only place to control what is seen on the net is through effective filters on internet connections or the devices used to get online. It is the one and only way to do what they are trying to achieve! If they filter all free porn at the provider level, or put a paywall infront automated, or some other protection system, then they have control! It is the only way I see it work though, and its the only way to not hurt the economy in a certain jurisdiction.

We are getting rather off-topic here btw...

But honestly, if we could find a way to achieve the above, to make it mandatory for providers in a jurisdiction to block all porn behind an age verification system of some sort, I would have no issue with this at all. But making the owner of the site achieve this because the jurisdiction can not be bothered with doing the job themself, is just unfair and unjust.

MaDalton · 03-11-2013, 03:49 PM

i saw my first porn magazine when i was six and it didnt influence me at all!

oh, wait, .....

Robbie · 03-11-2013, 03:57 PM

Hiding sex from children is just dumb.

We ALL saw porn as kids. For me it was the 1970's and finding my dad's porn mags and it was freakin' AWESOME!

No, none of us want to think of our kids masturbating and looking at porn. But guess what? They do. Just like we did.

Sex is natural. And like it or not, your kids know about it, look at it, and when they are teenagers they DO it. (just like we all did).

But yeah...I'm sure that sooner rather than later...enough sexually repressed/religious nutcases are going to raise enough hell about free porn for "the innocent children" to see, that it's going to ruin it for everyone.

EDIT: Meanwhile, those same parents that want to "protect" their kids from seeing sex...are more than happy to let them watch violence in movies and television and play violent video games.

Apparently KILLING = good. SEX = bad.
Pretty fucked up.

tony286 · 03-11-2013, 04:08 PM

There is a big difference from finding Dads Playboy, Penthouse or hustler magazines and watching double anal fisting. lol

Robbie · 03-11-2013, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286

There is a big difference from finding Dads Playboy, Penthouse or hustler magazines and watching double anal fisting. lol

How many people watch double anal fisting though Tony? It's like a circus freak show.

Most teenage boys want to see girls getting fucked. They want to see big tits. etc.

And even if 1 out of every 1 million teen boys likes to watch double anal fisting...guess what? He's gonna jerk off and cum.

It ain't the end of the world.

But like most things...us "adults" think that we know best. lol
And we're right about most stuff: Stay in school, be honest, work hard, etc.

But we're dead wrong when it comes to trying to (hypocritically) tell young people that they aren't allowed to watch stuff while they masturbate.
Even then though...we can't stop them from seeing it in their minds (fantasizing). heh-heh

Axel_Crak · 03-11-2013, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick

Hi,

Its not actually my point of view. I was just trying to point out that it really is not a mystery why people that profited out of the creation of the adult tube business might not be too popular with some people around here.

The world has moved on. But even those that have managed to adapt to the new environment find it rather ironic that posters like the OP and Nathan wax lyrical about venture capital, data analysis, record sales, and then they wonder why some posters aren't entirely supportive.

In that ex-company and "tube thing" perspective and with that explanation i get more your comment..

A problem with tubes and about the piracy content issue it can go from to 0%to 100% legit, and there is no such official/stats list to know where they stand, the other thing is when its not 100% legit, is it user upload or in house upload ??

Some people tend to put all them in the same basket...

Also tubes (legit or not) may have harm some affiliates or content sponsors business, but they also generate a lot of sales to others paysites with videos but mostly from the ads/pop ...

Sure thing they are there now and they will stay, so the best is to find a way to monetize it, either by buying ads/traffic or upload or any kind of deal...

tony286 · 03-12-2013, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

How many people watch double anal fisting though Tony? It's like a circus freak show.

Most teenage boys want to see girls getting fucked. They want to see big tits. etc.

And even if 1 out of every 1 million teen boys likes to watch double anal fisting...guess what? He's gonna jerk off and cum.

It ain't the end of the world.

But like most things...us "adults" think that we know best. lol
And we're right about most stuff: Stay in school, be honest, work hard, etc.

But we're dead wrong when it comes to trying to (hypocritically) tell young people that they aren't allowed to watch stuff while they masturbate.
Even then though...we can't stop them from seeing it in their minds (fantasizing). heh-heh

A teenager will look at what they have access too. You should know that,you were once one. lol Why did we look at playboy,penthouse and hustler because that was available because that's what our dads looked at. Now teens can see countless things from vanilla to dog(bestiality) to double anal fisting. At that young age it does shape sexuality.

rabbit · 03-12-2013, 05:10 AM

hey Ruseful, how can I get in touch with you?

BlackCrayon · 03-12-2013, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

How many people watch double anal fisting though Tony? It's like a circus freak show.

Most teenage boys want to see girls getting fucked. They want to see big tits. etc.

And even if 1 out of every 1 million teen boys likes to watch double anal fisting...guess what? He's gonna jerk off and cum.

It ain't the end of the world.

But like most things...us "adults" think that we know best. lol
And we're right about most stuff: Stay in school, be honest, work hard, etc.

But we're dead wrong when it comes to trying to (hypocritically) tell young people that they aren't allowed to watch stuff while they masturbate.
Even then though...we can't stop them from seeing it in their minds (fantasizing). heh-heh

How many teenage girls are getting gangbanged now because the just think its 'normal'? its happening and ever increasingly. whatever videos are on the front page of tubes or big name porn sites will be what the kids are watching. just look at youporn. you have gangbangs, group sex, fisiting, japanese fetish all on the front page. there isn't even any kind of warning page.

what kids are exposed to now is has definitely gone up by 10 notches at least. its not even comparable to what we saw as kids. and i have to laugh and cry that nathan basically posted that its good for kids to be exposed to porn. that's fucked up! i don't think we should hide sexuality from kids but no matter what way you want to swing it, porn is not going to give kids a healthy view of sex. of course they're all going to see it at some point but porn to day is so much more hardcore and easily available that they'll be doing it at younger ages and more frequently. the first "porn" i saw was playboy from the 70's....what will be the first porn my kid sees? he's not even born yet. its kinda scary to think about.

Jel · 03-12-2013, 05:45 AM

why is it I can't upload a video to any major tube without jumping through hoops setting up a content partner account, and getting the tube affiliate links sorted, yet all these 'user uploads' don't have the same issue? How do I become just a normal tube surfer/member with the ability to 'user upload'?

Anyone?

Nathan · 03-12-2013, 05:45 AM

Dickhead.. where did I post its good. I started my post with saying I would prefer all porn being behind a paywall...

All I did was talk about what studies showed, and they showed differently than you say. Kids are not manipulated that easily and it is mainly parental control that is important.

But seriously, if you tell me a way to protect kids from seeing porn that is not controlled on the enduser PC, tell me! The solution CAN NOT BE to make people that own porn sites to close them. Since it will NEVER WORK. There will be 50 new sites popping up and nothing is solved... So whats the point?

Complaining and complaining solves absolutely nothing, a solution is needed if you want it fixed.

Look at crap like motherless... wtf is the point in closing youporn for non adults somehow if that kind of shit is still around?

Jel · 03-12-2013, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

How many teenage girls are getting gangbanged now because the just think its 'normal'? its happening and ever increasingly. whatever videos are on the front page of tubes or big name porn sites will be what the kids are watching. just look at youporn. you have gangbangs, group sex, fisiting, japanese fetish all on the front page. there isn't even any kind of warning page.

what kids are exposed to now is has definitely gone up by 10 notches at least. its not even comparable to what we saw as kids. and i have to laugh and cry that nathan basically posted that its good for kids to be exposed to porn. that's fucked up! i don't think we should hide sexuality from kids but no matter what way you want to swing it, porn is not going to give kids a healthy view of sex. of course they're all going to see it at some point but porn to day is so much more hardcore and easily available that they'll be doing it at younger ages and more frequently. the first "porn" i saw was playboy from the 70's....what will be the first porn my kid sees? he's not even born yet. its kinda scary to think about.

You don't think he really thinks and agrees with what he wrote do you?

Jel · 03-12-2013, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Look at crap like motherless...

yeah but studies could likely show (if they don't already) that kids aren't swayed by any of that, and if they're actively seeking it out, well, who is anyone to stop them from doing so? I mean, you can't be against tube-style gore sites with 100s of 1000s of gore/sick (to you) videos with millions of kids actively visiting them on a daily basis based on what *you* want, while being happy to do the same with double anal fisting, gagging, degradation of (willing I know, but I'm an adult) women, and so on, right?

Anyway, this topic is way off topic lol, just makes me laugh at the 'but xyz site does so we may as well', and 'studies show' - I'm not sure whether it's a good or bad thing to base everything on analytical data, with zero emotions/morals/ethics, but hey, you are who you are (as in everyone, not you personally nathan).

Nathan · 03-12-2013, 05:58 AM

Jel, so tell me a solution.

SpicyM · 03-12-2013, 06:27 AM

Congrats JT on your success!

I emailed you a few days ago , did not get any reply so emailing again..

Jel · 03-12-2013, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Jel, so tell me a solution.

like I said, topic has gone way off, and I didn't say I had a solution (there isn't one, and only future legislation will stop/slow any 'damage', for want of a far better term, regarding what kids have unfettered and such simple access to presently, and that'll take a good few years yet) - my post was simply responding to your statements regarding xyz do it, blahblah site is worse, statistics show, etc.

While we're on the subject of solutions though, I'm having trouble uploading to manwin tubes without being a content partner - how do I solve that, and become able to upload as other non-content partners are able to?

NewNick · 03-12-2013, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Jel, so tell me a solution.

Don't worry, our governments will cook up a solution.

BlackCrayon · 03-12-2013, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Dickhead.. where did I post its good. I started my post with saying I would prefer all porn being behind a paywall...

All I did was talk about what studies showed, and they showed differently than you say. Kids are not manipulated that easily and it is mainly parental control that is important.

But seriously, if you tell me a way to protect kids from seeing porn that is not controlled on the enduser PC, tell me! The solution CAN NOT BE to make people that own porn sites to close them. Since it will NEVER WORK. There will be 50 new sites popping up and nothing is solved... So whats the point?

Complaining and complaining solves absolutely nothing, a solution is needed if you want it fixed.

Look at crap like motherless... wtf is the point in closing youporn for non adults somehow if that kind of shit is still around?

tubes are part of the solution. filling the net with so much free streaming hardcore porn its going to cause a huge backlash and will somehow/someday be illegal to show. so good on you for doing your part..

sean playboys · 03-12-2013, 07:17 AM

"Ruseful's heading for the big 10k month! ....keep the playboy pop under rolling!

[email protected]

signupdamnit · 03-12-2013, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

Also tubes (legit or not) may have harm some affiliates or content sponsors business, but they also generate a lot of sales to others paysites with videos but mostly from the ads/pop ...

Sure thing they are there now and they will stay, so the best is to find a way to monetize it, either by buying ads/traffic or upload or any kind of deal...

"Burglary may involve theft from some homeowners but it also helps to spread the wealth around to others and will always be around. So the best is to monetize either by operating a fencing operation or some other related enterprise."

If this were physical goods many of the people in our industry would be subject to arrest for possession of stolen property and the traffic brokers would be found guilty of operating a fencing operation. Food for thought.

Sure you can argue that the DMCA makes user uploads legal and so it's not the same. However the DMCA does NOT protect tubes who are uploading stolen content themselves or paying others to do so. Nor does it cover willful negligence and conspiracy in regards to repeat infringer policies. Not only in U.S. law but the laws of most other nations as well.

signupdamnit · 03-12-2013, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Jel, so tell me a solution.

I don't know a lot about this but I read that Germany has a solution which they've implemented for quite some time. But apparently some citizens of their country fail to abide by their laws or otherwise find various loopholes.

Quote:

Germany

German law is very strict about hardcore pornography, especially when compared to very liberal laws about softcore pornography, prostitution and sex shops. Providing hardcore pornography to a person under 18 is illegal, and shops selling it must keep people under the age of 18 from entering their premises. If only a part of the shop is dedicated to pornography, it must be completely closed off from the rest of the premises. Alternatively, shops may choose not to display their goods or advertise that they sell them, in which case minors may be admitted. Websites hosting pornographic material within Germany must comply with very strict rules about verifying that viewers are over 18.[18]

Germany has a very broad definition of child pornography, which includes images and writing of all real or fictional people who either are under the age of 18 or who appear to be below 18 to an "average viewer". Distribution of such material is prohibited, although possession is only banned if the material shows a real person below 18. But the law differentiates between child pornography (under age of 14, § 184b criminal code) and youth pornography (14 to under 18, § 184c criminal code). Pornography involving violence or bestiality may not be produced or distributed, but is legal to possess.

Nathan · 03-12-2013, 07:44 AM

I am confused, you can go to google.de and do an image search for porn terms and get pornography right there. From inside germany too.

How is it that you claim Germany has a "solution".. that would mean it actually works, and it clearly does not.

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03-11-2013, 08:30 AM	#257
Hornydog4cooter Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,859	Very interesting thread! I have been dabbling with the tubes the last few years and i can see by the amount of views Ruseful is getting on his videos that his signup he says he gets would work out right. But from a affiliate point of view i could not push your affiliate program ruseful. Your guy approached me several times to promote you sites but your affiliate program is not affiliate friendly and from a affiliate stand point its not worth promoting. First of the whole pre checked cross sale on revshare is a deal breaker from the get go. I am assuming the affiliate does not get credit from the prechecked which is a big no no. Also the whole 1 day cookie is another issue. I also got a popup for playboy on my revshare links. Fix the issues i stated above and you will pick up more affiliates and more sales. Your content is great so what ever you our doing there keep doing it Last edited by Hornydog4cooter; 03-11-2013 at 08:32 AM..

03-11-2013, 10:29 AM	#266
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03-11-2013, 03:16 PM	#279
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	NewNick, I have kids. And yes, I think parenting is the important factor here and is what matters. I would prefer all porn to be on paysites only, but that ship has sailed long ago, and I can not solve this problem right now. Thus, I am happy with trying to make the sites I can control as safe as possible in the current climate. I do however disagree that there is a PROBLEM with people seeing porn at a younger age than 10 years ago. There have been many studies on this subject, and boys that share videos on their phones (which is the main source right now btw, and they do not come from tubes) in school actually share them not because they like what they see. They actually all look for 'normal' sex like everyone else did 10 years ago. So nothing changed there it seems. Kids are not that easily manipulated. This is from a study I read about in a german paper btw. There is a problem with kids in certain poorer areas, but these problems again do not come from tubes or free porn online, it comes from parents not caring and actually letting their kids sit next to them while they watch porn on their own. Or interacting among adults so badly that kids learn that sex buys love. This is 100% a parenting thing though again and has nothing to do with free porn online. And the EU VOD directive does not enforce that, it is more complicated than that and depends on exact implementation in each member state. It seems to be causing this in the UK, it will not cause this everywhere. If you have a suggestion on how to kill free porn everywhere on the internet, please share it! If it works, I will help you implement it asap! The sad thing about stuff like the EU VOD directive is that they think they are solving a problem, but actually are solving nothing. This is something that the internet 'revolution' needs to figure out, it is the hardest part of the whole development, the fact that control is basically gone. The only place to control what is seen on the net is through effective filters on internet connections or the devices used to get online. It is the one and only way to do what they are trying to achieve! If they filter all free porn at the provider level, or put a paywall infront automated, or some other protection system, then they have control! It is the only way I see it work though, and its the only way to not hurt the economy in a certain jurisdiction. We are getting rather off-topic here btw... But honestly, if we could find a way to achieve the above, to make it mandatory for providers in a jurisdiction to block all porn behind an age verification system of some sort, I would have no issue with this at all. But making the owner of the site achieve this because the jurisdiction can not be bothered with doing the job themself, is just unfair and unjust. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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03-11-2013, 07:59 AM	#255
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03-11-2013, 10:34 AM	#267
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03-11-2013, 03:15 PM	#278
Three.Thousand Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 287	Don't worry, the new EU directives doesn't apply to user uploaded content. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife. The tubes are safe!

03-11-2013, 03:49 PM	#280
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03-11-2013, 03:57 PM	#281
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Hiding sex from children is just dumb. We ALL saw porn as kids. For me it was the 1970's and finding my dad's porn mags and it was freakin' AWESOME! No, none of us want to think of our kids masturbating and looking at porn. But guess what? They do. Just like we did. Sex is natural. And like it or not, your kids know about it, look at it, and when they are teenagers they DO it. (just like we all did). But yeah...I'm sure that sooner rather than later...enough sexually repressed/religious nutcases are going to raise enough hell about free porn for "the innocent children" to see, that it's going to ruin it for everyone. EDIT: Meanwhile, those same parents that want to "protect" their kids from seeing sex...are more than happy to let them watch violence in movies and television and play violent video games. Apparently KILLING = good. SEX = bad. Pretty fucked up. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 03-11-2013 at 03:59 PM..

03-11-2013, 04:08 PM	#282
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	There is a big difference from finding Dads Playboy, Penthouse or hustler magazines and watching double anal fisting. lol

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03-12-2013, 05:45 AM	#288
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	why is it I can't upload a video to any major tube without jumping through hoops setting up a content partner account, and getting the tube affiliate links sorted, yet all these 'user uploads' don't have the same issue? How do I become just a normal tube surfer/member with the ability to 'user upload'? Anyone?

03-12-2013, 05:45 AM	#289
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Dickhead.. where did I post its good. I started my post with saying I would prefer all porn being behind a paywall... All I did was talk about what studies showed, and they showed differently than you say. Kids are not manipulated that easily and it is mainly parental control that is important. But seriously, if you tell me a way to protect kids from seeing porn that is not controlled on the enduser PC, tell me! The solution CAN NOT BE to make people that own porn sites to close them. Since it will NEVER WORK. There will be 50 new sites popping up and nothing is solved... So whats the point? Complaining and complaining solves absolutely nothing, a solution is needed if you want it fixed. Look at crap like motherless... wtf is the point in closing youporn for non adults somehow if that kind of shit is still around? __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

03-12-2013, 05:58 AM	#292
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Jel, so tell me a solution. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

03-12-2013, 06:27 AM	#293
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03-12-2013, 07:17 AM	#297
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03-12-2013, 07:44 AM	#300
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	I am confused, you can go to google.de and do an image search for porn terms and get pornography right there. From inside germany too. How is it that you claim Germany has a "solution".. that would mean it actually works, and it clearly does not. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger