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03-09-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by $tandaman

JT, excellent job once again, congrats! Content looks awesome!

Cheers Stan, appreciate it!

teomaxxx · 03-09-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Yep, I live in Prague, hit me up if you're ever around.

Maybe sometimes we could go up for a beer - I live in Prague too and could take some webmaster together with me.

03-09-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Let me get in here with a few comments. But first let me say THIS:

I do LOTS of business with ALL the major tubes and have close friends who work at several of them so i do not want to upset anyone with my comments. HOWEVER I do feel the need to share MY experiences here, and you can all contrast them with the OP's claims.

First, about the OP: Doing some simple math, shooting 125 scenes per month as you say, would total about what? $100,000 a week in shooting costs? Six scenes per day x 5 scenes = about $20,000 a day x 5 days a week....well, you get the idea. PLUS the OP has 40 employees, owns all these high profit paysites and is a partner in 3 other tube sites....

People, this is a BRO, a major player, with MAJOR financial advantages most of us can never touch. So take all that into consideration here, the amount of the investment, past relationships, etc etc.

NOW: The part the OP leaves out - and the part that honestly drives me NUTS - is that the #1 priority for tubes sites is to SELL ADVERTISING SPACE. Period. Throw in Cams and Dating and, well, paysites are on the bottom rung of the money ladder for the tubes....

NOTHING wrong with that - EXCEPT all this "give us 10+ minute videos" nonsense is just that: nonsense. I did this to ALL major tube sites for close to a year. Know what happend? Sales dropped like a fucking stone. So now? Back to 5 minute clips....

(As a paysite owner I understand that the "sweet spot" in terms of making an actual paysite membership sale is between 3-5 mins. But this does not really help the tubes do their main business: selling ad space. What the tubes need is surfers staying ON THEIR TUBE SITE for as long as possible so they can boost those ad numbers and then make bank selling that ad space to....cams, dating and the occassional paysite.)

So giving them 10+ videos is in THEIR interest, NOT the paysite owner's interest. The OP will now claim that, according to his numbers, paysites that give 10+ min vids have higher views, higher CTR, more sales....so i must be wrong, right? Maybe I am, maybe I'M the only one who did NOT see improvements after giving the tubes what they asked of me....

"But just shoot your scenes differantly, like I do..." yeah, spending thousands and thousands to shoot "tube-specific" clips best for editing on tubes....um, ok. But how many of us can actually do this?

(Actually, I just invested about $50,000 euros filming the new Fellucia Blow so it will be interesting to see how this new HD footage does on the tubes...)

My Tours have some of the best-converting numbers anywhere. in fact, to be honest OP, your new site you brag about so heavily in this thread? Here's what I see:

Bad design
Pop-ups for Playboy? On a PAYSITE? ok....
Lousy, hard-to-read text
Join page a mess
Color scheme horrid

So: HOW are you getting so many sales? Tube vids aside, how does your Tour convert ike you say? Also: a new site, less than a few weeks old, WILL get some play but I expect those numbers to come down over time....

Anyway, regardless of design, numbers, etc, the fact remains that sending tube sites extended clips ONLY helps tube sites. My views did not go up when I sent in 12+ min vids. In fact, my CTR went DOWN, along with sales.

Then i start submitting 5 min clips again and guess WHAT? Sales are better.

So maybe it's just me but I, too, have built my little one-man business (with some outsourced employees) on the tube model, designing my tours specifically for traffic from tubes, diversified my network, etc etc. But unless you have millions - yes, MILLIONS - to invest on all this then the OP's claims are, to be kind, extremely narrowly focused and will apply to only a handful of large companies with the resources to do things the OP's way.

So where does this leave "the rest of us"? Here's my view:

Work with the tubes, work with the various Content Partner Programs, tweak your tours the best you can, edit your videos the best you can....and move on. The 2% of paysites that will do gangbusters with tubes (and I have several such paysites) are not worth trying to re-create unless you have many thousands to start, maintain and grow such a paysite. If you have existing content, or are working with content exclusively from Sponsers, then a tube strategy should be just one of your plans. (If you own a major company then re-structuring your biz along the lines of the OP's claims may work tremendously well for you.)

Be realistic, work hard, if one of your clips or sites goes bananas on a major tube then YOU can come onto GFY and boast about how awesome everything you do is and how we should all follow along.

I think you actually got your math slightly wrong there but yes, I spend around $200k a month shooting new content. But not all of that content is for my sites, I shoot quite a few scenes exclusively for other sites. This is good revenue for me and they know they are getting the best content shot.

I started with 3 guys and invested no where near the millions you say. I launched 2 sites and then only launched new sites, and took on more employees, as the company could afford it. My first site launched August 2011, second in Sept. Then 3rd in Dec 2011, 4th and 5th in Jan/feb 2012 and so on. Every cent is pumped back into the company to grow, and now we are really on a roll.

As for my site designs, they work for me. I have never received one complaint about the text size and I have no issues with the join pages either, nor do the people that hit them and convert. I like the colour scheme. I dont like the green you use, but each to our own hey

Oh, and yes, I do popunders on my sites, brings me in $10k a month and pays the mortgage

Yep, after the initial hit of new members, sure it will plateaux but not as much as you may think. There are always new users each and every day visiting the tubes. I pretty much guarantee that within a few visits to the tubes, they would have watched one of my clips.

You dont need millions to do what I did. I could have launched on a fraction of the budget, hired cameras instead of buying them, only launching with 1 site instead of 2, but I did decide to make the investment I did. Hell, I could have made the investment to launch with 8 sites, but I was in no rush to build what I knew I could following my tube strategy. The guide I published on how to monetize the tubes, I actually wrote for my original crew and editor. This is before we even picked up a camera. I had a plan, based on the knowledge I had gleaned from running YouPorn, and I stuck to the plan. I have personally helped 100's of content owners make a success with the tubes. Teengfs, BackRoomCastingCouch, Gamma...the list is huge, and believe me, it grows each week.

Your last paragraphs do actually sum up whats wrong with a lot of people in this industry. Its not 2005 anymore, and you do actually have to work a whole lot harder than I imagine you did back then. Want to know what I was doing in 2005? I was a dog breeder in the UK with 21 breeding bitches, and I am from a travelling family, and proud of it.

03-09-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx

Maybe sometimes we could go up for a beer - I live in Prague too and could take some webmaster together with me.

That would be good. I hang out with Tibor and Ondrej quite a bit so let me know when suits and we will go eat and drink! jt at {ruseful} com

shimmy2 · 03-09-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

in the UK with 21 breeding bitches

03-09-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Here is where the hypocrisy is: (and stated before)
You started the thread saying how killer sales happened solely by uploading to all major tubes
You linked to examples and they where all over 10 minutes
We find out you developed and actively promote a content partner program
On that content partner program you encourage, highly recommend 10+ min vids
However, 10+ min vids the tube doesn't even take a cut
... oh, you developed youporn

So why would a tube not want to make money on those sales? I would say because that is not where the money is.

Bottom line, if a tube doesn't update it will die. I say just let it.

Hey Beaner, obviously, the better, longer content a tube has on its pages, the longer the user will stay and the more likely they will come back. By PornTube not taking a cut of any sales the affiliate makes on videos over 10 mins, dont you see that we are actually giving the content owner a significant financial bonus? And most affiliates that do upload longer clips (except for MrPeabody) see higher views, higher ratings (if the content is good), meaning they are featured on the front page and featured areas, so they get a higher CTR, higher direct type in traffic and they keep all this revenue 100%.

I am positive that you never thought a tube made their biggest revenue from their CPP? We started the first ever CPP on YouPorn to give the content owners access to our substantial traffic. The revenues didnt make a differance to our lives, but I can guarantee that for a hell of a lot of the companies that joined the YouPorn CPP, we were their financial lifeline.

I cant wait for you to call bullshit on another one of my comments, but think about it, how could I have got to where I am today if i was not completely upfront and honest? Why do I help everybody/anybody that reaches out to me? Its the type of guy I am. And I dont think you would last very long in this business if all you spoke was complete bull. Its funny, the only place I ever get attacked is on GFY. This is an old school thread isnt it? One of the oldest in the "biz"? Go figure...

The Porn Nerd · 03-09-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

I think you actually got your math slightly wrong there but yes, I spend around $200k a month shooting new content. But not all of that content is for my sites, I shoot quite a few scenes exclusively for other sites. This is good revenue for me and they know they are getting the best content shot.

I started with 3 guys and invested no where near the millions you say. I launched 2 sites and then only launched new sites, and took on more employees, as the company could afford it. My first site launched August 2011, second in Sept. Then 3rd in Dec 2011, 4th and 5th in Jan/feb 2012 and so on. Every cent is pumped back into the company to grow, and now we are really on a roll.

As for my site designs, they work for me. I have never received one complaint about the text size and I have no issues with the join pages either, nor do the people that hit them and convert. I like the colour scheme. I dont like the green you use, but each to our own hey

Oh, and yes, I do popunders on my sites, brings me in $10k a month and pays the mortgage

Yep, after the initial hit of new members, sure it will plateaux but not as much as you may think. There are always new users each and every day visiting the tubes. I pretty much guarantee that within a few visits to the tubes, they would have watched one of my clips.

You dont need millions to do what I did. I could have launched on a fraction of the budget, hired cameras instead of buying them, only launching with 1 site instead of 2, but I did decide to make the investment I did. Hell, I could have made the investment to launch with 8 sites, but I was in no rush to build what I knew I could following my tube strategy. The guide I published on how to monetize the tubes, I actually wrote for my original crew and editor. This is before we even picked up a camera. I had a plan, based on the knowledge I had gleaned from running YouPorn, and I stuck to the plan. I have personally helped 100's of content owners make a success with the tubes. Teengfs, BackRoomCastingCouch, Gamma...the list is huge, and believe me, it grows each week.

Your last paragraphs do actually sum up whats wrong with a lot of people in this industry. Its not 2005 anymore, and you do actually have to work a whole lot harder than I imagine you did back then. Want to know what I was doing in 2005? I was a dog breeder in the UK with 21 breeding bitches, and I am from a travelling family, and proud of it.

As one of original YouPorn-ers I'm certain you walked away with some cash from the sale. Therefore it would be relatively easy to re-invest every penny back into a site. And while my math may be off - not knowing what your rates are, the crew costs, locations, etc - we're talking a lot of money invested.

Also, the companies you mentioned that your expertise has helped are HUGE companies. Name for me a small webmaster who has directly benefited from your strategies? Let them post in here saying how you increased their sales tenfold. Because the Webmasters I talk to, on my level, are experiencing the same things I am.

Or, alternately, take MY content, tours and network and let's see you increase my sales to the levels you are claiming. I've read your manual, I could have written it myself for it contains the same knowledge I myself have gleamed from 4+ years of working with tube sites. And yet sales, regarding YouPorn, are nowhere near the levels they were before the Manwin acquisition.

Again, I submitted 10+ minute videos, my banners (according to Traffic Junky stats) are amazingly high (some of the best anyone's ever seen, actually). My votes are usually high, my CTR is well above-average, my Tours have a consistent 1:500 conversion ratio. So you would think some tube exposure would really help me....

Hey, I've also learned not everything works for everyone. I have a very unique look, feel, etc, and I do things my own way mostly out of need. LOL I'm not here to bash anyone. I just don't think longer videos help anyone but the tubes ultimately.

PS: I'm not talking about MY self-shot amateur content.
I mean this shit:
www.erosexotica.com
www.touchthebody.com

03-09-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

As one of original YouPorn-ers I'm certain you walked away with some cash from the sale. Therefore it would be relatively easy to re-invest every penny back into a site. And while my math may be off - not knowing what your rates are, the crew costs, locations, etc - we're talking a lot of money invested.

Also, the companies you mentioned that your expertise has helped are HUGE companies. Name for me a small webmaster who has directly benefited from your strategies? Let them post in here saying how you increased their sales tenfold. Because the Webmasters I talk to, on my level, are experiencing the same things I am.

Or, alternately, take MY content, tours and network and let's see you increase my sales to the levels you are claiming. I've read your manual, I could have written it myself for it contains the same knowledge I myself have gleamed from 4+ years of working with tube sites. And yet sales, regarding YouPorn, are nowhere near the levels they were before the Manwin acquisition.

Again, I submitted 10+ minute videos, my banners (according to Traffic Junky stats) are amazingly high (some of the best anyone's ever seen, actually). My votes are usually high, my CTR is well above-average, my Tours have a consistent 1:500 conversion ratio. So you would think some tube exposure would really help me....

Hey, I've also learned not everything works for everyone. I have a very unique look, feel, etc, and I do things my own way mostly out of need. LOL I'm not here to bash anyone. I just don't think longer videos help anyone but the tubes ultimately.

Hey MrPeabody, firstly, let me apologise for coming over like an asshole in my response to you, but I am reading every post on this thread as an attack, so again, apologies.

And yes, I wish I had started my pay site network when we ran YouPorn. Not to get any favours, but sales were a lot higher when we ran it thats for sure. But the site was different back then, the layout, the feel, a lot changes were made since the takeover, and i'd say most were a necessity. BUT, who knows, maybe we sold at the right time, maybe YouPorn was sailing into choppier waters and we would have started to to find things tougher. I am still very proud of what the team of 7 of us achieved, we grew that baby from zero to one of the busiest websites in the world, and we did not buy a single piece of traffic. Everything was word of mouth. Thats what made us different, and of course, having great content partners like yourself. I remember the email from Richie and Randi saying you had joined us!

bean-aid · 03-09-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Hey Beaner, obviously, the better, longer content a tube has on its pages, the longer the user will stay and the more likely they will come back. By PornTube not taking a cut of any sales the affiliate makes on videos over 10 mins, dont you see that we are actually giving the content owner a significant financial bonus? And most affiliates that do upload longer clips (except for MrPeabody) see higher views, higher ratings (if the content is good), meaning they are featured on the front page and featured areas, so they get a higher CTR, higher direct type in traffic and they keep all this revenue 100%.

I am positive that you never thought a tube made their biggest revenue from their CPP? We started the first ever CPP on YouPorn to give the content owners access to our substantial traffic. The revenues didnt make a differance to our lives, but I can guarantee that for a hell of a lot of the companies that joined the YouPorn CPP, we were their financial lifeline.

I cant wait for you to call bullshit on another one of my comments, but think about it, how could I have got to where I am today if i was not completely upfront and honest? Why do I help everybody/anybody that reaches out to me? Its the type of guy I am. And I dont think you would last very long in this business if all you spoke was complete bull. Its funny, the only place I ever get attacked is on GFY. This is an old school thread isnt it? One of the oldest in the "biz"? Go figure...

You started this thread to elude to killer sales for your new program. Most threads like that are started because they want affiliates to push traffic to said site.

You started the thread to generate more traffic to youporn and other tubes through your submitter using people's content, preferably 10+ minutes.

As you said, CPP doesn't make a dent in the overall profit margin. Except to the little guy you guys are really throwing a life line to. Wow, that's nice.

I have 9 vids, all over 5 minutes, youporn did I think 2 sales. 350K combined views. Other tubes, however, converted much better. That I really don't care about. I don't need your bible on tube submissions.

But, the problem is you need uploaders. Without massive updates each day the tube model won't *slide* the money from one end to the other. Buy/sell ads, dating.

If you get a ton of uploaders, the views/sales etc. won't be there. Saturation. It's a model that will not sustain.

03-09-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

You started this thread to elude to killer sales for your new program. Most threads like that are started because they want affiliates to push traffic to said site.

You started the thread to generate more traffic to youporn and other tubes through your submitter using people's content, preferably 10+ minutes.

As you said, CPP doesn't make a dent in the overall profit margin. Except to the little guy you guys are really throwing a life line to. Wow, that's nice.

I have 9 vids, all over 5 minutes, youporn did I think 2 sales. 350K combined views. Other tubes, however, converted much better. That I really don't care about. I don't need your bible on tube submissions.

But, the problem is you need uploaders. Without massive updates each day the tube model won't *slide* the money from one end to the other. Buy/sell ads, dating.

If you get a ton of uploaders, the views/sales etc. won't be there. Saturation. It's a model that will not sustain.

Why would I want more traffic to YouPorn???? We sold that site in May 2011?

You keep referring to a submitter? What are you talking about? Do you think I offer a tube submitter service to content owners??? For the record, no I don't!!!

I said that the CPP does not make a dent in the tubes overall profit margin. But a correctly executed tube strategy makes a big impact on not only the small studios, but the very large ones too.

Why would I worry that YouPorn only did 2 sales but you got more on other tubes? Thats why I keep telling people to upload to as many tubes as possible, you won't make a success just uploading to 1.

You have 9 videos? Yes, I saw, I just looked on JudoPorn (BTW, why JudoPorn?)

Why do the tubes need up loaders? Dont you think the tubes have been and still are the biggest buyers of licensed content? I know how many checks we wrote at YouPorn to buy content.

If we get a tonne of up loaders of course the views/sales will be there.....for the content owners that produce the best content.

I am really struggling to see how you can be so naive, to the point that I now think you are pulling my chain.

Because, the arguments you are attacking me with, make no sense, and for someone who is trying to start their own tube site, albeit with a brand-new model you have created, you are not filling me with too much confidence that you know what you are doing. I can only hope its your own money you have invested in this (money from pre 2007 by all accounts) and no one else's.

03-09-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

You started this thread to elude to killer sales for your new program. Most threads like that are started because they want affiliates to push traffic to said site.

You started the thread to generate more traffic to youporn and other tubes through your submitter using people's content, preferably 10+ minutes.

As you said, CPP doesn't make a dent in the overall profit margin. Except to the little guy you guys are really throwing a life line to. Wow, that's nice.

I have 9 vids, all over 5 minutes, youporn did I think 2 sales. 350K combined views. Other tubes, however, converted much better. That I really don't care about. I don't need your bible on tube submissions.

But, the problem is you need uploaders. Without massive updates each day the tube model won't *slide* the money from one end to the other. Buy/sell ads, dating.

If you get a ton of uploaders, the views/sales etc. won't be there. Saturation. It's a model that will not sustain.

BTW, 2 sales, on 350k views? Lets say you had a CTR of 1%, thats 3,500 tube visitors to your tour, 1:1,750 sales ratio is not bad. But I have no idea who you are or what type of content you produce. I can guess its the best though. You should post the links on here to the clips on YouPorn, would be interesting to see them because I have a feeling, with an average of 38k views on each, there not the best quality.

Here is a link to my massagerooms clip today, 389k views so far, will reach 500k at least by morning. http://www.youporn.com/watch/8218637...sual-foreplay/

The Porn Nerd · 03-09-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Hey MrPeabody, firstly, let me apologise for coming over like an asshole in my response to you, but I am reading every post on this thread as an attack, so again, apologies.

And yes, I wish I had started my pay site network when we ran YouPorn. Not to get any favours, but sales were a lot higher when we ran it thats for sure. But the site was different back then, the layout, the feel, a lot changes were made since the takeover, and i'd say most were a necessity. BUT, who knows, maybe we sold at the right time, maybe YouPorn was sailing into choppier waters and we would have started to to find things tougher. I am still very proud of what the team of 7 of us achieved, we grew that baby from zero to one of the busiest websites in the world, and we did not buy a single piece of traffic. Everything was word of mouth. Thats what made us different, and of course, having great content partners like yourself. I remember the email from Richie and Randi saying you had joined us!

No apologies needed. I've said since Day 1 that it's best to work WITH tubes, especially those that have a solid DMCA policy in place (as YP does) as well as advertise on the same tubes you post videos to, if possible. This 1-2 punch can really boost sales and I've known it for 4+ years now. LOL

But as I said, not everything works for everyone; some content converts well with tube traffic, some content converts better (believe it or not) with TGPs, some content converts better from Blogs and Google. So it all depends.

You did sell at the right time because times DO change; how many tubes are there now? So many means reduced views for everyone. I remember when a video of mine would get 200k+ views IN A DAY while today a similar vid does well with 50k (really well). Often it's 20k or less and, as you said, you get 85% of that in the first day or so. After that it's like falling off a cliff. LOL

So I always say incorporate tube marketing into your other strategies and it is what it is. Rely solely on tubes and that basket full of eggs might break.

(Ritchie and Randi are, hands down, THE best and, I suspect, a HUGE reason why YouPorn's Content Partner Program was so successful.)

03-09-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

No apologies needed. I've said since Day 1 that it's best to work WITH tubes, especially those that have a solid DMCA policy in place (as YP does) as well as advertise on the same tubes you post videos to, if possible. This 1-2 punch can really boost sales and I've known it for 4+ years now. LOL

But as I said, not everything works for everyone; some content converts well with tube traffic, some content converts better (believe it or not) with TGPs, some content converts better from Blogs and Google. So it all depends.

You did sell at the right time because times DO change; how many tubes are there now? So many means reduced views for everyone. I remember when a video of mine would get 200k+ views IN A DAY while today a similar vid does well with 50k (really well). Often it's 20k or less and, as you said, you get 85% of that in the first day or so. After that it's like falling off a cliff. LOL

So I always say incorporate tube marketing into your other strategies and it is what it is. Rely solely on tubes and that basket full of eggs might break.

(Ritchie and Randi are, hands down, THE best and, I suspect, a HUGE reason why YouPorn's Content Partner Program was so successful.)

R&R were the SOLE reason that the YouPorn CPP was the sheer size and success that it was. I have never known 2 people to care as much as they do about everything they do. Unique to say the least.

bean-aid · 03-09-2013, 03:40 PM

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Its no secret to how I do it. I wrote a guide on how to monetize the tubes, and speak at most of the shows. You can download my guide from here: https://content.porntube.com Click the link at the bottom of the page."

A book about how to upload to tubes, featured on a tube submitter join page. That is a tube submitter signup page right? You join, you upload in minutes, and it goes onto several tubes? Upload longer vids, make 100% of the sale if surfer clicks back.

Like you said, you sold youporn. So that is not your page, just your book.
Judo has nothing to do with 9 vids on youporn. Different program.

Like I said, I don't like the model. Uploading to a tubesite to make a living while a previous owner of youporn admits it makes no dent in overall profit of the tubesite.

But it was built on content, needs content, and needs uploaders to sustain. And longer vids will, by your complicated algorithm, get more views which mean more sales.

You can call me whatever you want, but you are encouraging programs to upload to tubes. You wrote a book on it. You are recommending those vids to be as long as possible as that is in the best interest of the program. But if every sponsor did this how many spots on the home page is there? First 36 hours sees the most views right?

You don't see how if what you are suggesting is adopted by everyone how saturation becomes an issue? The sales are made from being on home page, everyone knows that.

And you getting exposure uploading 5 vids is not somebody else getting exposure uploading 5 vids. You have connections others do not.

That's all. I'm done, have luck with your sites.

03-09-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

A book about how to upload to tubes, featured on a tube submitter join page. That is a tube submitter signup page right? You join, you upload in minutes, and it goes onto several tubes? Upload longer vids, make 100% of the sale if surfer clicks back.

Like you said, you sold youporn. So that is not your page, just your book.
Judo has nothing to do with 9 vids on youporn. Different program.

Like I said, I don't like the model. Uploading to a tubesite to make a living while a previous owner of youporn admits it makes no dent in overall profit of the tubesite.

But it was built on content, needs content, and needs uploaders to sustain. And longer vids will, by your complicated algorithm, get more views which mean more sales.

You can call me whatever you want, but you are encouraging programs to upload to tubes. You wrote a book on it. You are recommending those vids to be as long as possible as that is in the best interest of the program. But if every sponsor did this how many spots on the home page is there? First 36 hours sees the most views right?

You don't see how if what you are suggesting is adopted by everyone how saturation becomes an issue? The sales are made from being on home page, everyone knows that.

And you getting exposure uploading 5 vids is not somebody else getting exposure uploading 5 vids. You have connections others do not.

That's all. I'm done, have luck with your sites.

Hey, before you go, you forget quality always rises to the top. Thats why my content is mostly on the front pages.

If there were any bro favors being done, then

1. why arn't brazzers, mofos, RK, Twistys, Playboy, DP etc all on the front page day in day out on all the Manwin tubes?

2. Why dont the major tubes simply sell video placement each day?

Its because they do not fudge with the data. Makes no sense to.

03-09-2013, 04:15 PM

#17 now ;)

19teenporn · 03-09-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

#17 now ;)

Where are the hosted videos for affliates who own tubes to promote reallyusefulcash?

I see only one hosted flv in the aff area.

03-09-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Where are the hosted videos for affliates who own tubes to promote reallyusefulcash?

I see only one hosted flv in the aff area.

I mean, you're youporn, you can't not offer tube clips to promote your program right?

I am soon launching an area for affiliates to download any/all of our 1,000+ tube videos.

Hit up ken at {ruseful} . com and he will get you everything. I am "in between" affiliate managers right now

19teenporn · 03-09-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

I am soon launching an area for affiliates to download any/all of our 1,000+ tube videos.

Hit up ken at {ruseful} . com and he will get you everything. I am "in between" affiliate managers right now

SOunds good but, only download? Not hosted?

03-09-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

SOunds good but, only download? Not hosted?

btw, I am not connected with YouPorn, we sold the site in May 2011.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

1. why arn't brazzers, mofos, RK, Twistys, Playboy, DP etc all on the front page day in day out on all the Manwin tubes?

Because they know that exposing 12 min+ videos of their own content to millions of people per day has a negative effect on their paysite sales and because their users wouldn't stand for a bunch of five minute clips being there since they want it all for free. So instead they use everyone else's content. Whether you give them permission to do so or not.

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2. Why dont the major tubes simply sell video placement each day?

Its because they do not fudge with the data. Makes no sense to.

Because they wouldn't get any repeat buyers and/or because the crap which would appear on the front page would turn off their viewers and instead send them to other people's sites.

03-09-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Because they know that exposing 12 min+ videos of their own content to millions of people per day has a negative effect on their paysite sales and because their users wouldn't stand for a bunch of five minute clips being there since they want it all for free. So instead they use everyone else's content. Whether you give them permission to do so or not.

Because they wouldn't get any repeat buyers and/or because the crap which would appear on the front page would turn off their viewers and instead send them to other people's sites.

lol, so why do you think the tubes do me any favours? You just answered your own argument...

signupdamnit · 03-09-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Where are the hosted videos for affliates who own tubes to promote reallyusefulcash?

I see only one hosted flv in the aff area.

So for all this talk he only has ONE hosted flv in his affiliate area. I would think he would have thousands of 20 minute videos in there for affiliates to use.

Ruseful you may be a nice guy but things aren't adding up.

03-09-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Because they know that exposing 12 min+ videos of their own content to millions of people per day has a negative effect on their paysite sales and because their users wouldn't stand for a bunch of five minute clips being there since they want it all for free. So instead they use everyone else's content. Whether you give them permission to do so or not.

Because they wouldn't get any repeat buyers and/or because the crap which would appear on the front page would turn off their viewers and instead send them to other people's sites.

and now I am convinced you are pulling my chain, because I honestly don't think you are that stupid to be this active on my thread attacking me

signupdamnit · 03-09-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

lol, so why do you think the tubes do me any favours? You just answered your own argument...

To be candid I don't think they are doing you any favors. I think it's either you are doing favors for yourself and/or that you are doing favors for them. I think there is more going on here than what we see.

03-09-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

So for all this talk he only has ONE hosted flv in his affiliate area. I would think he would have thousands of 20 minute videos in there for affiliates to use.

Ruseful you may be a nice guy but things aren't adding up.

I have stated many many times on this thread and others that 90% of my sales are directly related to the tubes. That means 10% are (Non tube) affiliates. And that is why I am now actively recruiting an affiliate manager because my previous aff manager was not up to scratch and simply disappeared without a trace over a month ago.

jack-exploitedbabysitters · 03-09-2013, 04:52 PM

brazzers does post 7 min videos of their own stuff on pornhub

19teenporn · 03-09-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

So for all this talk he only has ONE hosted flv in his affiliate area. I would think he would have thousands of 20 minute videos in there for affiliates to use.

Yeah, me too.

I mean, the guy owned youporn, and as i can read, he bases his business marketing on how his sites do in Youporn. 90% of his sales are directly related to the tubes

Really weird he doesn't have his aff area full of clips to promote him. Kinda like he thinks he doesn't need affiliates...

Oh well... guess i'll wait for the clips.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

and now I am convinced you are pulling my chain, because I honestly don't think you are that stupid to be this active on my thread attacking me

I'm not attacking you. Like I said you might be a nice guy. It's just that something stinks. I'm also still an affiliate who sells paysites. I have an interest in not seeing all my sponsors giving away all their scenes by the millions so they can make a couple dozen sales while taking away hundreds from me.

It's just speaking the truth and my opinion. You can't say that anyone who stands in the way of your advertising is attacking you. That's silly.

03-09-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

To be candid I don't think they are doing you any favors. I think it's either you are doing favors for yourself and/or that you are doing favors for them. I think there is more going on here than what we see.

geeez, give me a break, please. Why do you guys find a conspiracy theory in everything I post?

Am I not allowed to have any success? I work 16-18 hours EVERY DAY. 2-3 hours a day I study clips on 4 different tubes, looking why a clip was successful, why it sucked, reading user comments, generating questions in the video threads to get information from the viewers. You have no idea on the personal sacrifices I have suffered in building this company to what it is today, and I have only just started.

03-09-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I'm not attacking you. Like I said you might be a nice guy. It's just that something stinks. I'm also still an affiliate who sells paysites. I have an interest in not seeing all my sponsors giving away all their scenes by the millions so they can make a couple dozen sales while taking away hundreds from me.

It's just speaking the truth and my opinion. You can't say that anyone who stands in the way of your advertising is attacking you. That's silly.

So you are attacking me, telling me I am wrong, when quite clearly, my revenues tell me I am right, so that other site owners don't follow my business model, just to protect your standard aff model in sending them sales?

Those site owners need to wake up, because you are damaging their business.

03-09-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Yeah, me too.

I mean, the guy owned youporn, and as i can read, he bases his business marketing on how his sites do in Youporn. 90% of his sales are directly related to the tubes

Really weird he doesn't have his aff area full of clips to promote him. Kinda like he thinks he doesn't need affiliates...

Oh well... guess i'll wait for the clips.

Dont take this the wrong way 19teenporn, but every time I have posted on GFY in the past 12 months, everyone was telling me that I killed the affiliate market with YouPorn and each month its getting harder and harder for sales with the traditional aff model. So, my primary focus when building my company was with what I knew. And that was utilizing the free traffic from every CPP program on the tubes. This is something I know obviously, and aff's were not.
Revenues permitted me to take on an affiliate manager October '12. They guy vanished on me at the beginning of Feb '13. He was on a huge wage, huge commission %, but didnt deliver. I am now looking for a new affiliate manager. Once he or she is in place, you, as one of my aff's, will have everything you could possibly need.

So please do not think there is anything untoward going on here other than, Aff's were not my expertise nor my primary focus while I built the company.

pornmasta · 03-09-2013, 05:15 PM

i wonder why ruseful spend so much time to answer (and flood the other answers) ?

19teenporn · 03-09-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Dont take this the wrong way 19teenporn, but every time I have posted on GFY in the past 12 months, everyone was telling me that I killed the affiliate market with YouPorn and each month its getting harder and harder for sales with the traditional aff model. So, my primary focus when building my company was with what I knew. And that was utilizing the free traffic from every CPP program on the tubes. This is something I know obviously, and aff's were not.
Revenues permitted me to take on an affiliate manager October '12. They guy vanished on me at the beginning of Feb '13. He was on a huge wage, huge commission %, but didnt deliver. I am now looking for a new affiliate manager. Once he or she is in place, you, as one of my aff's, will have everything you could possibly need.

So please do not think there is anything untoward going on here other than, Aff's were not my expertise nor my primary focus while I built the company.

Not taking it the wrong way man.
When i saw your thread i was like weeeeeeee, finally someone who knows tubes and what tube owner affs would need to promote him.

Then i signed up to your program and found out you have one hosted clip for your affs. Kinda got shocked.

Anyway, as i said before, i can wait.

Cheers.

signupdamnit · 03-09-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

So you are attacking me, telling me I am wrong, when quite clearly, my revenues tell me I am right, so that other site owners don't follow my business model, just to protect your standard aff model in sending them sales?

Those site owners need to wake up, because you are damaging their business.

It's not so much the affiliate model as the entire paysite model itself. Past the maximization point spoken of earlier the more content you give away the lower the sales. Affiliates or no affiliates. It's just common sense.

You speak of your sacrifices but what of the sacrifices of thousands of other people in this industry (including affiliates and sponsors) who have been harmed by the piracy of these tubes through no fault of their own? I'm not saying you can't be successful. But don't expect people not to question your claims when they defy experience and logic.

03-09-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

i wonder why ruseful spend so much time to answer (and flood the other answers) ?

because I have been on set (at my house) where we shot 8 scenes. We started at 8am this morning and the last crew member left an hour ago. I have been sat at my desk most of that time, on bl**dy GFY. With hindsight, I wish I never started this thread last night. I'll not start another one in a hurry ever again lol

The Porn Nerd · 03-09-2013, 05:30 PM

As to the affiliate/hosted FLV issue: Affiliate Programs take time and attention, and adding hosted galleries or FLVs can take a lot of time to get together. I know this myself as I am in the process of "cleaning up" my own Affiliate Program for a Spring re-launch, and then we'll have FLVs, FHGs, etc etc. So for him not to have that in place is not a strange thing.

The solid point in this thread is saturation (or, over-saturation). A Homepage can have only so many slots, and once they are all filled up by those that can afford to shoot the type of HD content being discussed here, then what?

Also, if you put your videos on EVERY tube site then no matter where the surfer goes he finds your shit. Great - but also kind of bad...so it's a balancing act, and for my company I try to achieve that balance by giving the tubes what they want but also NOT giving away what a potential Member might pay for.

03-09-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's not so much the affiliate model as the entire paysite model itself. Past the maximization point spoken of earlier the more content you give away the lower the sales. Affiliates or no affiliates. It's just common sense.

You speak of your sacrifices but what of the sacrifices of thousands of other people in this industry (including affiliates and sponsors) who have been harmed by the piracy of these tubes through no fault of their own? I'm not saying you can't be successful. But don't expect people not to question your claims when they defy experience and logic.

I do actually understand and agree with you on your post this time. Yes, a lot of people made sacrifices, but it was inevitable with the freedom of the internet. The people that understood that, made use of it, and those that didn't suffered.

You know, subconsciously, that may actually be the reason why I feel the need to give back to those that will listen. And I thought it was just because I was a nice guy lol

HushMoney · 03-09-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

I wouldn't have anywhere near the 15,000 active members that I do have since I launched my first site 15 months ago.

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Hey M.A+, what part is a lie?
We dont do trials either, just full memberships.

And all this revenue has allowed me to launch 10 sites in 15 months, with another 7 sites launching in the next 6 months. We are currently shooting 125 full scenes a month and this number increases each month.

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

(40 employees btw)

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Revenues permitted me to take on an affiliate manager October '12. They guy vanished on me at the beginning of Feb '13. He was on a huge wage, huge commission %, but didnt deliver. I am now looking for a new affiliate manager.

15,000 members x $24.95 = $374,250 (yes I know there are new sales everyday, but also cancellations, so I just used his own numbers for an average)

125 scenes a month at an average of lets say $2500 (and that's cheap) a scene $312,500

40 employees (again going waaaayyy cheap) at $12 per hour x 40 hours a week = $76,800 (this is a drastically low guess)

already running a deficit without adding in any of the other overhead, and it would be considerable. AND he's been in business 15 months. (I doubt anyone is going to run a $50,000-$100,000 deficit for 12-15 months on paysites and still decide to keep it going...

No affiliate section to speak of and he says he does 10 + minute vids on youporn so no affiliate payments.

traffic leaks, playboy pop ups etc.

Right now on some of the sites, I can't even get to the actual join page to fill in information.

Alexa rankings that are no where near what you would need to do those numbers of sales. (yes, i know alexa sucks, but it gives you at least an idea of traffic.)

I have no dog in this fight, but just based on what he's saying, it's all over the place and doesn't add up, so if he's lying about those numbers.....well you get the idea.

Carry on.

03-09-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HushMoney

15,000 members x $24.95 = $374,250 (yes I know there are new sales everyday, but also cancellations, so I just used his own numbers for an average)

125 scenes a month at an average of lets say $2500 (and that's cheap) a scene $312,500

40 employees (again going waaaayyy cheap) at $12 per hour x 40 hours a week = $76,800 (this is a drastically low guess)

already running a deficit without adding in any of the other overhead, and it would be considerable. AND he's been in business 15 months. (I doubt anyone is going to run a $50,000-$100,000 deficit for 12-15 months on paysites and still decide to keep it going...

No affiliate section to speak of and he says he does 10 + minute vids on youporn so no affiliate payments.

traffic leaks, playboy pop ups etc.

Right now on some of the sites, I can't even get to the actual join page to fill in information.

Alexa rankings that are no where near what you would need to do those numbers of sales. (yes, i know alexa sucks, but it gives you at least an idea of traffic.)

I have no dog in this fight, but just based on what he's saying, it's all over the place and doesn't add up, so if he's lying about those numbers.....well you get the idea.

Carry on.

wow, here we go again...

15,000 ACTIVE members, not 15,000 total transactions. You forgot about rebills, of the 1 and 3 month memberships, and the 6 month non recurring membership

Average transaction value is $32.92 USD ( I use 1:1 conversion for £ $ ? )

2/3rd of my traffic is direct type ins from tube users so at least 66% is non affiliated sales

125 scenes a month. But I have stated MANY times now that not all of those are for my own sites. I produce exclusive scenes for other sites owners too, and quite a lot, and there is good money in that believe me

I dont have 1 employee under $15 an hour. Most of my employees are the best paid for their positions in this industry.

What about cams, popunders, MA trades?

What about joint email promotions with other huge brands?

Deficit? are you insane?

YouPorn do take affiliate share on all videos. Its Porntube that dosnt take an aff share on videos of 10mins or more.

Playboy popunders and MA promos nets me $10k a month payout

I just tried every one of my 10 sites join pages and all working fine. but will get devs to check, thanks for the heads up.

We get around 600k total visitors to the 10 sites a day. And we accurately calculate that we have around 8m views of our videos a day on the tubes. This is based on our average CTR on the tubes, the direct traffic which we attribute to the tubes, our sales ratio and our existing members logging in.

I am afraid that you forgot to factor in many many different revenues, first major fail was that its 15,000 active members, not 15,000 total transactions.

CCBill who were my primary biller for the first year send out a nice card and present when you reach your first $1m. Its an even nicer present when you hit your second. Paul is my rep, call him, and say JT said its ok for him to confirm or deny those figures I quote.

I can back up everything I say 100%, so if you are going to post in this thread, then please re read your post for errors and double check your own math before you try and call me out on mine. Btw, what do you do for HushMoney?

cybermike · 03-09-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

Revenues permitted me to take on an affiliate manager October '12. They guy vanished on me at the beginning of Feb '13. He was on a huge wage, huge commission %, but didnt deliver. I

I was wondering why I was not getting any response from the guy about available promo tools before I sign up..

Do you host clips like the ones you upload to the tubes.. what about model names, descriptions etc..

03-09-2013, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HushMoney

15,000 members x $24.95 = $374,250 (yes I know there are new sales everyday, but also cancellations, so I just used his own numbers for an average)

125 scenes a month at an average of lets say $2500 (and that's cheap) a scene $312,500

40 employees (again going waaaayyy cheap) at $12 per hour x 40 hours a week = $76,800 (this is a drastically low guess)

already running a deficit without adding in any of the other overhead, and it would be considerable. AND he's been in business 15 months. (I doubt anyone is going to run a $50,000-$100,000 deficit for 12-15 months on paysites and still decide to keep it going...

No affiliate section to speak of and he says he does 10 + minute vids on youporn so no affiliate payments.

traffic leaks, playboy pop ups etc.

Right now on some of the sites, I can't even get to the actual join page to fill in information.

Alexa rankings that are no where near what you would need to do those numbers of sales. (yes, i know alexa sucks, but it gives you at least an idea of traffic.)

I have no dog in this fight, but just based on what he's saying, it's all over the place and doesn't add up, so if he's lying about those numbers.....well you get the idea.

Carry on.

We have grown the staff as the company grew. And we only expanded as new sites revenues came in and gave us the revenues to fund further growth. I got my initial investment back the same year I made it, in 2011. The company has been in the black ever since. With a solid business model, and careful financial planning, there is no need to ever run at a deficit.

You way over estimate the cost of a scene. We shoot all of our content in Eastern Europe. We dont pay USA prices. Therefore you can knock off $1k from your estimate per scene quite comfortably. That alone puts me in the black

03-09-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cybermike

I was wondering why I was not getting any response from the guy about available promo tools before I sign up..

Do you host clips like the ones you upload to the tubes.. what about model names, descriptions etc..

yep, sorry about that, John simply vanished on me, god knows whats happened to him. We will get a new aff manager soon, and then you will have everything you need.

jack-exploitedbabysitters · 03-09-2013, 06:57 PM

since u sharing numbers do u mind i ask how many daily joins are u doing a day??

bean-aid · 03-09-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruseful

We get around 600k total visitors to the 10 sites a day. And we accurately calculate that we have around 8m views of our videos a day on the tubes.

Hi, back again.

First off, I am sure you are a nice guy ;) Just wanted to get that out of the way.

Now, let's talk numbers since you are.

You said 90% of traffic is from tubes you upload to. 600K*.9 = 540K. For every click, you get 2 type ins.

That means, you are getting around 360K people typing in the name of 1 of your sites per day. That is incredible, got a screenshot?

And maintaining 8 million views per day on all the tubes is out of this world. Imagine if those views were actually visits on your site? ;)
Let's say 8 million views = 2 million uniques (what is that number by the way?). So 2 million uniques. On your paysite... that would be about 5000 sales a day. Now just think about that for a second...

Back to current model, that's a lot of free views to sales ratio. Kinda see what i'm getting at? Bad model from the start, bad model till it ends.

Tubes don't need the sales though... that is just stocking stuffers (you said that). But they sure as hell need the content. Hence, the argument, devaluation of content.

What if someone came up with a tube/paysite that was popular like youporn, and funneled all the traffic to purchase a membership? ;)

livexxx · 03-09-2013, 08:11 PM

Does youporn still require you to split the sales on the ccbill side, one half to youporn and the other to some company in gib or cyprus, i cant remember off hand which oner? that was always a hassle

The Porn Nerd · 03-09-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by livexxx

Does youporn still require you to split the sales on the ccbill side, one half to youporn and the other to some company in gib or cyprus, i cant remember off hand which oner? that was always a hassle

I give 10% to YouPorn and 90% to Fabian Thyllman.
Is that an issue?

03-10-2013, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner

Hi, back again.

First off, I am sure you are a nice guy ;) Just wanted to get that out of the way.

Now, let's talk numbers since you are.

You said 90% of traffic is from tubes you upload to. 600K*.9 = 540K. For every click, you get 2 type ins.

That means, you are getting around 360K people typing in the name of 1 of your sites per day. That is incredible, got a screenshot?

And maintaining 8 million views per day on all the tubes is out of this world. Imagine if those views were actually visits on your site? ;)
Let's say 8 million views = 2 million uniques (what is that number by the way?). So 2 million uniques. On your paysite... that would be about 5000 sales a day. Now just think about that for a second...

Back to current model, that's a lot of free views to sales ratio. Kinda see what i'm getting at? Bad model from the start, bad model till it ends.

Tubes don't need the sales though... that is just stocking stuffers (you said that). But they sure as hell need the content. Hence, the argument, devaluation of content.

What if someone came up with a tube/paysite that was popular like youporn, and funneled all the traffic to purchase a membership? ;)

Can you imagine the treads i'd be starting if I got 8m visitors a day to my paysite network a day? And yes, the free views to visitor ratios, of course I would like these higher, but I launched my company on the back of those numbers. I know how to get views on my clips, making use of the keywords, tags and titles so I show up in more search results on those tubes (this is better optimised traffic of course as a user has actually searched for something specific). Once the viewer of that clip clicks on the CPP banner, then its over to me to convert them to a member. I have taken on board what Mr Peabody noted about my sites with their design/text and of course my join page design. I learn every day, and do take on advice, even in a hostile environment like GFY.

I actually like your business method and how you are looking to do JudoPorn. I participated in a "similar" concept last year where I gave them my full HD scenes from one of my brands. The sales ratio was very good, and retention was great, however, you are only as successful as your traffic. And like I, if you dont see the $$$ coming as quickly as you hoped, then as a studio, you simply give up and move on to other concepts that you hope will bring revenues quicker for the same effort. If you get the first studio partners working with you until and dedicated to the cause, and then shout about the $$$, then you may just have a winner on your hands. And believe me, if you get that studio to work with you, and you make a success of it, the floodgates will open. If its a proven concept, you'll have my 10 brands knocking on your door. This is actually what happened with the YouPorn CPP. Naughty America and CD Girls were our "proof of concept". That was march 2007. April 2007, the flood gates opened, and that was that. Maybe you would be interested in me being one of the founding studios on JudoPorn?

On that note, I wanted to quantify what I wrote in a previous thread about the revenues a tube generates from a CPP program which may have been misinterpreted. The revenues from a CPP are significant to the bottom line, but are not in the top 3 of revenues generated by a tube. But they are significant. And you see this by just how many content owners are uploading to the tubes on a daily basis to get those aff revenues and direct type in sales.

And dont read into this next sentence any more than what it actually is meant to say: I have heeded the advice of my friends in the industry and I am no longer going to be giving out any numbers or stats on GFY. Simply because, when I do, I spend the rest of the day putting out fires, and I actually want to try to enjoy GFY again, as I did before I posted this thread. And I started this thread because I was genuinely chuffed with my team and myself for getting the highest ever new entry for a brand new site on a tube. And that tube means more to me than anyone could ever imagine... YouPorn.com.

03-10-2013, 02:57 AM

#16 today!! http://www.youporn.com/channels/most_popular/alltime/

bluebook18 · 03-10-2013, 03:05 AM

Congrats man you guys deserved it

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