Court system is fucked - jail for non alimony payment?

[96ukssob]

Wow, just watched this show called "First Week In" on Discovery channel. Had it on as background noise until I saw that this guy was jailed for not paying alimony and child support to his wife. Not that he couldn't pay, but the amount was more than what he brings home each month!

Few months ago a wrestling coach at the high school near by was arrested for the same thing. At the time he was working a sales job and making a good living and quit to just be a teacher and coach, so his income was 1/4 what it used to be, but he was HAPPY. However the court system decided that he would still have to pay what he made 6 months ago. Now he got let go from his job and makes NO money instead of some.

Looking into this more, the woman can decide to change the amount or deny the claim. Women - what the fuck is your problem? Why would you send a guy to jail because he couldn't pay you thousands of dollars for you to sit around and shop?

IMO, we need harsher rules on women in this day and age. For instance, you fake a rape you go to jail for 20 years. Abuse child support or alimony, you pay back 200% and if you can't, you work it off in jail.

I'm not a sexist by any means, but this countries court system is fucked! Glad I had a prenup before I got married, but now thinking about it, may just be better to get her to sign a divorce paper when she is drunk and never tell her

[seeandsee]

that is crazy, and show people should fuck just whores or sluts that will dont know who is he :D

[DWB]

Four ways to look at this:

1) It's cheaper to keep her.

2) If it floats, flies or fucks... rent it!

3) Cleverly hide your assets off shore and never, ever let anyone know about it. At least she won't get it all that way.

4) Marry a foreign girl and live in a country that won't beat your balls when you diverse.

[brassmonkey]

only a matter of time before its changed.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by DWB

Four ways to look at this:

1) It's cheaper to keep her.

2) If it floats, flies or fucks... rent it!

3) Cleverly hide your assets off shore and never, ever let anyone know about it. At least she won't get it all that way.

4) Marry a foreign girl and live in a country that won't beat your balls when you diverse.

The TV shows appears to be that he left her, but not 100% sure. In the case of the high school teacher, his wife divorced him, left him for another guy but wont get married to him because she likes to collect the $$.

Fucked up world.

When me and my ex broke up (we weren't married, dated for 5 years) she threatened to take me to court for money. Claiming that I got her used to a certain lifestyle then left her. I told her to go ahead, but nothing ever came about it. We had a mutual breakup too, then that whore decided she wanted to keep buying Coach purses and eat out every night.

[Mike Honcho]

That's fucking appalling. I've seen the previews to that show, but haven't caught an episode yet.

[beerptrol]

Excuses! Excuses! they need to throw more if those dead beat parents into jail.
In the first case you mentioned he could have sent something on good faith even if it wasn't the full payment.
As for the coach he knew what he had to pay and yet decided to quit his higher paying job for a lower paying job putting his needs before his kid(s)

they could have saved themselves the trouble by not having kids with crazy bitches!!!!

[Just Alex]

You can always re-negotiate alimony payments based on current financial situation. Happens all the time.

[baddog]

That is not a court system issue, it is a state law issue.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Excuses! Excuses! they need to throw more if those dead beat parents into jail.
In the first case you mentioned he could have sent something on good faith even if it wasn't the full payment.
As for the coach he knew what he had to pay and yet decided to quit his higher paying job for a lower paying job putting his needs before his kid(s)

No no... the guy on TV paid as much as he could, but couldnt afford the full amount. He was a tax attorney and business was low.

The coach got a divorce months after he left his job. He said his wife wasnt happy that he wasnt pulling in a huge salary for her to spend, then she divorced him. The court looks at what you made 6 months ago, not recently. He couldn't come close and at a hearing, his wife denied the appeal for a lower amount and opted for him to go to jail. Even though the kid lived with him, she still demanded some several thousand dollars

[RuthB]

A friend of mine is going through a similar thing. He can't find a job and he's 3 months in arrears on his child support payments. He's facing potential jail-time if he doesn't come up with $3k to pay the arrears.

He says that his ex-wife has tried to talk to the courts about it, saying she doesn't want him to go to jail for non-payment etc, but they don't care at all, it means nothing to them.

You say there's a way for the chick to lower the amount or say there's no claim. Do you have a link or anything you could share of that? I'd love to be able to provide that to my friend, perhaps that would be a saving grace for him in this situation.

It's terrible that people can go to jail over this kind of thing, particularly if they can PROVE they don't have an income, and prove that they're trying to get one.

[SuckOnThis]

Men have no rights when it comes to the courts and women. In the eyes of the court men are just a fucking wallet. Did you know a woman can take your kid to Utah and let someone else adopt it all without your consent?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home2/5...ption.html.csp

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Here's an idea: STOP REPRODUCING!

Or even better, STOP BEING A CRAZY GREEDY BITCH!

Originally Posted by RuthB

A friend of mine is going through a similar thing. He can't find a job and he's 3 months in arrears on his child support payments. He's facing potential jail-time if he doesn't come up with $3k to pay the arrears.

He says that his ex-wife has tried to talk to the courts about it, saying she doesn't want him to go to jail for non-payment etc, but they don't care at all, it means nothing to them.

You say there's a way for the chick to lower the amount or say there's no claim. Do you have a link or anything you could share of that? I'd love to be able to provide that to my friend, perhaps that would be a saving grace for him in this situation.

It's terrible that people can go to jail over this kind of thing, particularly if they can PROVE they don't have an income, and prove that they're trying to get one.

What state do they live in? From what I read, dont ask me why I spent an hour researching this shit this morning, but she would need to close the claim for payment. if he is in the rears, she can lend him the money to pay her then give it back.

Tell your friend to call the state court, not local and see if they can retroactively close the case. The state or local court makes no money off him and its a waste of their time, so I doubt they will pursue if she drops it

[DaddyHalbucks]

It's a big incentive for guys to get married...

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

That is not a court system issue, it is a state law issue.

well its both because the court enforces bullshit.

[RuthB]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

The problem is SELFISH, IGNORANT people who keep spreading their seed all over the place. For crying out loud STOP reproducing and harming the innocent, poor child's future. Now, as statistics and common sense shows, the poor kid has NO future....what a tragedy

LOL don't get your panties in a bunch. My friend has ONE child, the child is 15 years old, and the parents have been split-up for 2 years. They were married for quite some time, it wasn't some 'accident' situation.

Not everyone who has kids and is backdated on child support is backdated cos they're a loser and don't want to pay. With today's economic climate it's harder than ever to get and keep a job, so this kind of thing is happening more and more often I'm sure.

brassmonkey - my friend is in New Mexico

[Choker]

Originally Posted by bossku69

Wow, just watched this show called "First Week In" on Discovery channel. Had it on as background noise until I saw that this guy was jailed for not paying alimony and child support to his wife. Not that he couldn't pay, but the amount was more than what he brings home each month!

Few months ago a wrestling coach at the high school near by was arrested for the same thing. At the time he was working a sales job and making a good living and quit to just be a teacher and coach, so his income was 1/4 what it used to be, but he was HAPPY. However the court system decided that he would still have to pay what he made 6 months ago. Now he got let go from his job and makes NO money instead of some.

Looking into this more, the woman can decide to change the amount or deny the claim. Women - what the fuck is your problem? Why would you send a guy to jail because he couldn't pay you thousands of dollars for you to sit around and shop?

IMO, we need harsher rules on women in this day and age. For instance, you fake a rape you go to jail for 20 years. Abuse child support or alimony, you pay back 200% and if you can't, you work it off in jail.

I'm not a sexist by any means, but this countries court system is fucked! Glad I had a prenup before I got married, but now thinking about it, may just be better to get her to sign a divorce paper when she is drunk and never tell her

If his income declined then he should have filed for a reduction in child support and as long as he proved his income had declined the judge has to approve it. The woman CANNOT change the amount, only a judge can do that. Sounds like he voluntarily took a job with less income so yeah he should still have to pay based on his previous income. Guys take lesser paying jobs for the sole purpose of having to pay less child support.

In my opionion the non-paying guy (or girl) should has his assets taken if he's 90 days behind on payments. You stick your dick in a pussy you take responsibility. It's that simple. And I have paid well over 100k in child support over the years.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by RuthB

LOL don't get your panties in a bunch. My friend has ONE child, the child is 15 years old, and the parents have been split-up for 2 years. They were married for quite some time, it wasn't some 'accident' situation.

Not everyone who has kids and is backdated on child support is backdated cos they're a loser and don't want to pay. With today's economic climate it's harder than ever to get and keep a job, so this kind of thing is happening more and more often I'm sure.

brassmonkey - my friend is in New Mexico

tell her to contact an attorney. she is just as much to blame as him going to jail then anyone else if she doesnt. im sure he will agree to split the costs of the attorney or even pay for it.

in my prenup, i had a contractual agreement on alimony/child support stating that whatever the amount the court finds, she will have to repay to me 99.9% as a penalty for breaking the marriage agreement, as well a fine and lawyer fees. Asked a shaddy attorney friend of mine to take a look and said its binding, but would cost her thousands to defend as it reads I agreed to marriage in return for money from her upon dissolution, regardless of who filed.

I look out for three people in this world, #1 me, #2 my family and #3 my dogs and cat. Everyone else can fuck themselves

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Choker

If his income declined then he should have filed for a reduction in child support and as long as he proved his income had declined the judge has to approve it. The woman CANNOT change the amount, only a judge can do that. Sounds like he voluntarily took a job with less income so yeah he should still have to pay based on his previous income. Guys take lesser paying jobs for the sole purpose of having to pay less child support.

In my opionion the non-paying guy (or girl) should has his assets taken if he's 90 days behind on payments. You stick your dick in a pussy you take responsibility. It's that simple. And I have paid well over 100k in child support over the years.

Fuck that. Women need to take responsibility for spreading their legs and letting dicks in their pussies, they have gotten a free ride way to long.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by RuthB

LOL don't get your panties in a bunch. My friend has ONE child, the child is 15 years old, and the parents have been split-up for 2 years. They were married for quite some time, it wasn't some 'accident' situation.

Not everyone who has kids and is backdated on child support is backdated cos they're a loser and don't want to pay. With today's economic climate it's harder than ever to get and keep a job, so this kind of thing is happening more and more often I'm sure.

brassmonkey - my friend is in New Mexico

I love you Ruth but your wrong. If you have kids depending on you for money for food, clothing, etc then you fucking work 4 jobs. You get your ass up at 4 am get on the bus and get over to the temp labor pool. You work your 8 hour shift then go back and get another 8 hour shift. If that still doe not produce enough money then you grab everything of value you own and go to the pawn shop. There are plenty of jobs available for people who REALLY REALLY REALLY want to work.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Men have no rights when it comes to the courts and women. In the eyes of the court men are just a fucking wallet.

This is true.

Seven years ago I was stupid enough to trust a girl that told me she couldn't get pregnant. She said she had a heart-shaped uterus and couldn't conceive even if she did get pregnant. She begged me to cum inside of her and then she threatened to leave me if I didn't.

Well, she did get pregnant and left me. She packed up all of her shit and she took off to live with her mom in North Carolina.

A few years later I got a court summons from North Carolina. I was able to send a letter instead of going to court. The response from the court was that I owed $0.00 for child support.

A few years after that I got a court summons from here in Florida. I had to submit another letter but this time had to go to court.

Not only did I get fined a monthly child support fee but back-payment for all the years as well. I didn't get to plead my case but only got to sit there while the judge belittled me and threatened to put me in jail if I didn't start paying.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Fuck that. Women need to take responsibility for spreading their legs and letting dicks in their pussies, they have gotten a free ride way to long.

Child support is based on both parties income. If both parties income is say $50,000 and the state laws says that 10k a year total child support is needed for 1 child, then the non custodial parent has to pay 5k a year. How is that not fair? I'm not saying that all child support laws are fair, I went thru years and years of court battles over this. Sad thing is I paid more in attorney and legal fees over the years than I ever paid in actual child support.

What is not fair is when the judge comes out of his chambers carrying a bible.

[RuthB]

Originally Posted by Choker

I love you Ruth but your wrong. If you have kids depending on you for money for food, clothing, etc then you fucking work 4 jobs. You get your ass up at 4 am get on the bus and get over to the temp labor pool. You work your 8 hour shift then go back and get another 8 hour shift. If that still doe not produce enough money then you grab everything of value you own and go to the pawn shop. There are plenty of jobs available for people who REALLY REALLY REALLY want to work.

Oh I agree, people should do everything they can to take care of those things, but this guy can't even get hired at McDonalds Choker! He's tried everywhere and there's just nothing going on, nothing available. I don't know, I was just curious about it cos it's an ongoing thing with my friend, and if there were a way around jailtime I'm sure he'd be interested to learn of it.

Of course, you can never tell just how hard someone is looking for work unless you're with them 24/7, or at least SOME of the time, so maybe he isn't really trying and he's just putting up a good face for it. Hard to say, but yeah you could be right.

[2ndxachrm]

Best advice I got too late:
Drop a sample of sperm into storage. Get a vasectomy. No mater what she says get an Iron clad pre nub before you tie the knot.

And it is the children that suffer.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by RuthB

Oh I agree, people should do everything they can to take care of those things, but this guy can't even get hired at McDonalds Choker! He's tried everywhere and there's just nothing going on, nothing available. I don't know, I was just curious about it cos it's an ongoing thing with my friend, and if there were a way around jailtime I'm sure he'd be interested to learn of it.

Of course, you can never tell just how hard someone is looking for work unless you're with them 24/7, or at least SOME of the time, so maybe he isn't really trying and he's just putting up a good face for it. Hard to say, but yeah you could be right.

Ok I can say this because at one time in my life I worked the labor pools. If you want a job at McDonalds, you go in put in a application. You come back the next day and ask for the manager. Ask him if he made a decision yet. If he says no then you come back the next day, and you repeat this everyday until he either hires you or gets a restraining order against you. There is no excuse for ANYONE not getting a job. It's all a matter of how bad you want it.

[Tom_PM]

These situations suck and I'm thankful to not have that particular problem. Good luck..

[RuthB]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

If he cant get hired at minimum wage then WHAT IS HE DOING HAVE A CHILD?!

LOL he was working full-time when they conceived 16 years ago. He was paying child support payments on-time for 2 years prior to the last little while where he's gone into arrears. It's only recently he hasn't been able to get work and therefore hasn't been able to pay child support.

Please relax

[RuthB]

Originally Posted by Choker

Ok I can say this because at one time in my life I worked the labor pools. If you want a job at McDonalds, you go in put in a application. You come back the next day and ask for the manager. Ask him if he made a decision yet. If he says no then you come back the next day, and you repeat this everyday until he either hires you or gets a restraining order against you. There is no excuse for ANYONE not getting a job. It's all a matter of how bad you want it.

That's very true Choker, persistence is key

[Danmixz]

How many months he got ?

[Eric]

Every time I hear stories like this, I am more and more thankful that:

I have never been married, never plan to get married.
Keep my personal income very low and let my businesses own and pay for everything.
Had a Vasectomy

Marriage is an outdated system that has turn into a money grab by those who are in that industry. From the rings to the honeymoon it is nearly impossible to not WASTE a small fortune on a wedding these days. When a couple could just commit to each other and take that same money and get a solid foundation for their future with it instead.

Procreation has become a joke. We are already over populated and have people on a daily basis having more than two children and just increasing the overpopulation problem.

People need to wake up and smell the fucking coffee!

[Tom_PM]

I've always said, if you're ever thinking of getting married, ask her to elope to vegas and hitch up in a wedding house with a preacher dressed up as elvis. If she says yes, it'll be a good marriage.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by bossku69

Wow, just watched this show called "First Week In" on Discovery channel. Had it on as background noise until I saw that this guy was jailed for not paying alimony and child support to his wife. Not that he couldn't pay, but the amount was more than what he brings home each month!

Few months ago a wrestling coach at the high school near by was arrested for the same thing. At the time he was working a sales job and making a good living and quit to just be a teacher and coach, so his income was 1/4 what it used to be, but he was HAPPY. However the court system decided that he would still have to pay what he made 6 months ago. Now he got let go from his job and makes NO money instead of some.

Looking into this more, the woman can decide to change the amount or deny the claim. Women - what the fuck is your problem? Why would you send a guy to jail because he couldn't pay you thousands of dollars for you to sit around and shop?

IMO, we need harsher rules on women in this day and age. For instance, you fake a rape you go to jail for 20 years. Abuse child support or alimony, you pay back 200% and if you can't, you work it off in jail.

I'm not a sexist by any means, but this countries court system is fucked! Glad I had a prenup before I got married, but now thinking about it, may just be better to get her to sign a divorce paper when she is drunk and never tell her

Dave Foley, FTW.

Er FTL.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by Danmixz

How many months he got ?

guy on TV got 6 months. 7 days in they let him go then 2 days later his ex decided she wanted him back in jail for the remaining time.

high school guy got 60 days in jail and could serve more if he cant pay. its a catch 22, how is he going to pay if he is in jail making $2.17 a day? I heard, from a friend who knows him that he can get up to 30 days for each month he doesnt pay the total amount, therefore he could be spending the next 10 years in jail.

fucked up how much money it costs to have someone in jail, why not just force him to work a 2nd job and 100% goes to her instead? think of how much money it will save.

I read online earlier that a guy did almost 20 years for not paying child support and alimony to his wife. He ended up selling his home and becoming homeless, living on the streets in Florida. If that was teh case, I'd just axe the bitch and plea insanty and take 20 years... at least I will know sitting in a jail cell i deserved to be there

[pornguy]

That is insane

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

The problem is SELFISH, IGNORANT people who keep spreading their seed all over the place. For crying out loud STOP reproducing and harming the innocent, poor child's future. Now, as statistics and common sense shows, the poor kid has NO future....what a tragedy

the tragedy is the fact that you don't realize that there is no such thing as a time machine so arguing the fact that people shouldn't have kids is ridiculous.

What else you going to argue? that people who got shot shouldn't have gone outside that night?

[Danmixz]

Originally Posted by bossku69

guy on TV got 6 months. 7 days in they let him go then 2 days later his ex decided she wanted him back in jail for the remaining time.

high school guy got 60 days in jail and could serve more if he cant pay. its a catch 22, how is he going to pay if he is in jail making $2.17 a day? I heard, from a friend who knows him that he can get up to 30 days for each month he doesnt pay the total amount, therefore he could be spending the next 10 years in jail.

fucked up how much money it costs to have someone in jail, why not just force him to work a 2nd job and 100% goes to her instead? think of how much money it will save.

I read online earlier that a guy did almost 20 years for not paying child support and alimony to his wife. He ended up selling his home and becoming homeless, living on the streets in Florida. If that was teh case, I'd just axe the bitch and plea insanty and take 20 years... at least I will know sitting in a jail cell i deserved to be there

Strange world we live in... guys from piratebay got 4-6-8 months that's completely insane.

[media]

It's called "contempt" the judge can order you locked up at any time if you're falling way too far behind on child support or alimony..

Some people are serving more time for contempt than other crimes.. fucked system, but you can solve it by getting in contact with the department of justice or the people who control the payments in the local region, and fill out compliance paperwork for your hardship or you can also contest the amounts etc..

[woj]

so what happens when he gets out of jail? his bill keeps growing while he is in jail? so if he can't pay now, when he gets out, he isn't going to be able to pay either?

[The Heron]

Flee the country and never come back, seems easier

[u-Bob]

Thanks, this thread reminded me to never get married.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by GFED

This is true.

Seven years ago I was stupid enough to trust a girl that told me she couldn't get pregnant. She said she had a heart-shaped uterus and couldn't conceive even if she did get pregnant. She begged me to cum inside of her and then she threatened to leave me if I didn't.

Well, she did get pregnant and left me. She packed up all of her shit and she took off to live with her mom in North Carolina.

A few years later I got a court summons from North Carolina. I was able to send a letter instead of going to court. The response from the court was that I owed $0.00 for child support.

A few years after that I got a court summons from here in Florida. I had to submit another letter but this time had to go to court.

Not only did I get fined a monthly child support fee but back-payment for all the years as well. I didn't get to plead my case but only got to sit there while the judge belittled me and threatened to put me in jail if I didn't start paying.

that is fucked

she had a choice to keep it, she should pay for it

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

The title should read "jail for non alimony payment and non child support payment."

I don't think people should be punished that way for alimony. They most certainly should for child support.

[AmeliaG]

The nonsense with alimony is bad for marriage in America. If a woman wants to stay home and not work, her job is to keep her husband and kids happy. I don't see why someone should keep getting paid for a job she is not doing any more. The longest a man should have to support a woman not his wife is long enough to put her through whatever education he had.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Choker

Ok I can say this because at one time in my life I worked the labor pools. If you want a job at McDonalds, you go in put in a application. You come back the next day and ask for the manager. Ask him if he made a decision yet. If he says no then you come back the next day, and you repeat this everyday until he either hires you or gets a restraining order against you. There is no excuse for ANYONE not getting a job. It's all a matter of how bad you want it.

In the current economy in America, that is just dead wrong. When McDonald's announced they were going to fill 50,000 jobs, they received more than a million applications. They ended up hiring more people than they intended, but do the math on 1,000,000 minus 62,000.

[JFK]

Fitty deadbeat Jailbirds

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by JFK

Fitty deadbeat Jailbirds

HA! I saw this at 49 and was going to fiddy my own thread but was on the phone

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by The Heron

Flee the country and never come back

or...

[Barry-xlovecam]

The state has to pay the cost of a dependent child's maintenance welfare and medical primarily.

Who is the state? The taxpayer.

Alimony is another issue.