Wizzo

Or was that the number of toilets?

This thread gets better each time I return!

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Welcome back, have a manwich with a beer

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will76

Here is everything you need to know about Far-L:








There you have it, pornhub does no wrong and Far-L approved. Actually he has no proof that they ever did anything wrong and doesn't know why everyone is picking on them so much.... blahahahaha what a fucking idiot.

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quiet

i've got a fever, and the only cure, is more toliets. gotta have more toliets fellas.

gideongallery

it amazing you keep passing this bald face lie about and claim it as true

i produced a link of a video that was still up even though the entire account was suspended for "copyright infringement"

undeniable proof that youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they suspend an account

youtube covers their ass better than anyone, they don't take down shit unless they have someone else to blame, weather it be a law (kiddie porn, killing cats) or a valid dmca take down notice.

as i pointed out dmca safe harbor doesn't give immunity for taking down content it only gives transactional immunity for infringing. the liability for a false takedown is only transfered to the person making the takedown notice.

if youtube was to take down the videos without getting a notice there would be no one to transfer the liablity to, and therefore it would be on their shoulders.

youtube is not stupid they would accept that that why i could find an example of an account being suspended and still have a video left up still getting hits.

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JFK

you having a shitty day ??

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"john" is going to be "pissed".

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gideongallery

i will the point again

TOS do not supercede the LAW

you tried to argue that nat could take down the content/ban a user for any reason because they said they could in the tos.

and i addressed that point before

eharmony got sued and lost because they banned gay people from their site, (by not allowing male seeking male.women seeking women signups) they even had a legitimate reason they had no idea 49 points of compatibility that worked for straight people would apply for gay people and it was not cost effective to test it out for only 10% of the population

even financial viability was not a valid defense against descrimination laws

bottom line if youtube was to remove all the videos i post , i would point to the one example of the video staying up and ask the question why is a white person videos allowed to stay up when their account was banned and they would lose and would pay out just as much damages as if they had said they did it because i was a hahahahahaha

bottom line nothing you are pointing to changes the fact that youtube does not remove the videos when they delete an account

they only take down the videos that have a violation that has been logged, weather that be a legally justified internal tos condition, a law or dmca takedown notice.

everything else stays up. and dscrimination laws guarrentee that example has to be universally applicable rule.

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TheDoc

Seriously? I mean come on, what the hell is this dribble bullshit?

Unlike eharmony, all Youtube would have to do is prove where they left up one colored persons video, and your case would be lost. It's not like eharmony, not at all, even a tiny bit, not even if you twist it.

P.S. Youtube DOES delete the videos on banned accounts, otherwise my West Edmonton Riot videos from several years back would still be on Youtube. The first time, they just deleted the video, the second time they took down everything.

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Far-L

It isn't any different. I know you need help understanding so I will explain it and hopefully I won't use any words that you find too difficult.

You make blanket accusations against people that you have no proof against. Cam companies typically have similar unfounded accusations made against them. By reason of association you are "sucking the dick" of the cam companies who may or may not be taking advantage of affiliates and models, profiting off their intellectual property (performing on cam) without due compensation.

Post proof that you are not helping those folks get burned.

Post proof of tube content you know is "illegal". I am sure Pink Visuals would've loved to have it when they went after the tubes, but oh well... never too late right?

Post proof that you are not just a whiny little bitch. Oh, that's right... you started this thread so you already incriminated yourself there.

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Dirty Dane

BS. Your "proof" was the one and only movie by that uploader. If there were only one movie, removed for copyright reasons, then there couldnt be any movies left for you to "prove" what you claim

For safe harbor, learn it:

1. Repeated infringers must be booted.
2. "Good reasons to believe so" is legally justification to remove all movies (and generally required to keep safe harbor)
3. You won´t lose safe harbor for deleting content, stating the deletion is for any/other reason than infringements (DMCA also point this out)

Far-L

Could not have said it better myself. Hopefully you never catch on to the fact that you are helping more than hurting me with all your tirades.

Thanks BRO!

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adultmobile

Amazing, this threat keeps in top forever. I propose is made a specific area of GFY about Manwin debates, and ban these from main thread?

The photographer no more gets $3000 per solo maybe (I don't know how much Brazzers, RK or others pays for one), but some cam girls and their "studio boss" if any, can get in some cases more then $3000 per few hours (the time you needed for custom shoot) due to crazy tips or whales who pay $8+ a minute for hours - in certain cam sites. Of course I am talking of 50 out of 1000 models who are online in these cam sites, so 950 models do $50 per day only - is not an average but a top. But still that's lots "solo content" who is "shoot for internet" which is paid $3000+ from dozens of "producers".
Photographer is middlemen who is kicked out by the independent model, or, there's a studio guy in place of photographer - some my studio guys are photographers too.

BTW In what years $3000 was the norm? Solo girl scene was under $1000 for czech content providers around year 2000 and there was no tubes yet. Actually it was in 2003 that I decided to move from prerecorded content to live cams. I simply noticed in 2003 what you say now in 2011: prerecorded content pays so lower unless you work for a brazzers or rk or met-art or so, which can't hire everyone, like not all actors make $$.

I had your same concern, then what I done (but in 2003, not 2011) is I add in photo studios some good internet line, connect the videocam to pc's and put the girls online, first in existing cam sites then I built my cam sites too. Others who was in photo shooting changed style or customers or adapted in some way, I can't believe everyone who done photo shoots is now unemployed, they all must do $$ in some way.

You complain that by doing exactly the same of 1990's job, you no more do the same money, which is true (I agree with you, whatever the reason is tubes or not), but then what is the point? You say the whole world it should change rather than yourself to adapt? Let you have the magic power to let Manwin close all the own tube sites and join some Church due to mystical idealism. Let a dozen other tube companies do the same. Let the rapishare, hotfile etc. trading sites be all jailed for some Iran or North Korea laws that may be implemented worldwide. Let the interpol go arrest people using torrent p2p client form their personal homes. Do you really think this would be enough to have 1990's back completely? Actually there's so much amateur (so legal and legitimate) material around, and now there's even free legal live sex in sites like cam4 and myfreecams (and I will launch one of those live tube soon too), so you should also make illegal to just show pussy unless you're shoot by a content provider, this is again North Korea or Iran.

I think it is easier to write a book on history of porn, then when it comes to contemporary business, to make other considerations.

Actually I still cry for Commodore 64 and Amiga computers being out of market, I was doing very well there and everyone known and respected me, in another thread some old guys cry about how BBS's and IRC #Efnet it was cool, but that's history and not today's business, is just old times to talk about, and history material.
Sure I am not still using a Commodore Amiga, no more in BBS's or IRC channels, and not blaming Microsoft(manwin) or Bill Gates(Nathan?) for having caused all the bad of the universe. As well as I am not organizing shoot of content for launch teen sites anymore, altough someone does still so managed to adapt in some way, an dI cooperate with them by put live cam teens in their member area and it all works well for all of us.

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will76

you are an idiot. point blank, if anyone even reads your nonsense it is loud and clear.

Yes I am a "hypocrite" because I promote cam sites and you say all cam sites shave.

My god, how in the fuck did you get to where you are at. There are trolls on here with more intelligence.

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will76

I think Nathan farted you might want to run over and sniff that up before it disapaites.



Honestly tho, I feel sorry for you. I think you know these tube sites are (and have been) ripping off your content and costing you money, but you felt like you had no choice but to suck their dicks and beg them for traffic so you can keep some sales coming in. You are the perfect example of someone in denial.

People would actually respect you if you just were truthfull and said you know these companies were shit but you had no choice, but no not you, you have to try to convince EVERYONE that these companies are great and doing business with them is good business.


Keep calling me a hypocrite or whatever and all that bullshit about cams shaving or wtf, if that makes you feel better about your own decissions you made then great, glad that you think everyone (including myself) are hypocrites so it makes it easier for you to sleep at night.

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Far-L

whoa... took you two posts to get all that in. Thanks for reminding me how to spell hypocrite though.

I don't know though and that is my point. Until you or anyone else provides proof, other than all the innuendo and unfounded accusations you and others have provided thus far... I am going to go with my own first hand knowledge and move forward accordingly.

You're right. I had a choice. I made my choice based on first hand experience and legal advice. What are you basing your accusations on? I mean besides hunches, gossip, accusations, and suppositions.

You know, you could cut down on your hypocracy if you just go ahead and find another board like you said you were going to do.

(By the way, your whiny sense of entitlement and superiority complex speaks of serious mommy issues. Were you not breast fed? Or were you suckled too long?)

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Brazzers content is super good. I really dont know how anyone could say otherwise. Have you seen the vampire thing? Very high end production..

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You should have been crying about using an 64 back then cuz if you were doing what you though was very well with that as a computer imagine what you could have been doing with a real machine.

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I just want to know if will67 will leave if manwin buys GFY.

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gideongallery

what the fuck are you talking about
i specifically looked for a user who was booted for "multiple violations"

and then posted a video that he posted that was still up

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wCdB8...layer_embedded

thst the point the point
the infringing videos went down
the account went down
the non infringing video stayed up



there is no safe harbor for deleting videos there is only a safe hrbor against copyright infringement claims

nothing else is safe harbored

so of course you can't lose safe harbor for something that doesn'[t have a safe harbor in the first place

but that the point
the liablity for the takedwon is transfered FROM the host to the copyrright holder only if the takedown notice is sent.

so taking shit down without a takedown notice increase the liablity from zero (because the copyright holder takes it instead) to something (because it can't be transfered to anyone)

i suggest you hire a real lawyer because your talking out of your ass

or maybe actually read the law your talking about.

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gideongallery

so all i have to do blatently discriminate against hahahahahahas is hire one token black guy

do you know how much discriination would go on if that was all that was necessary to get away discriminating against someone

companies have been sued because the percentage of negative ruling against i minority was higher than against white people

i could still argue rasism based on the percentage banned accounts

if black peoples accounts were banned and all the videos were dropped 20% more times than white that would be enough for a case.




so rather than follow the normal dispute resolution policy of youtube to get your video legitimately restored you deliberately violated their process and put the video back up again

i love your proof youtube takes down all videos when they ban an account for individual violations is a case where you deliberately violated youtubes policies on an account level
in the worst possible way (by circumventing their dispute resolution policy and over riding their decision).

don't you realize that an apples to oranges comparision.

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will76

that's affirmative. So go get with your bros to try to get Nathan to make it happen.

I know you will miss me.

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will76

yawwwn.. you started becoming boring about 3 posts ago.

As much as I am sure you would be upset to see me stay and I should stay just to piss you off, I will still go if Manwin buys gfy.

Nathan farted again, run along to sniff it up Farrell.

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jonnydoe

Wow...discrimination does not have a fucking thing to do with removing copyrighted content. Nothing, zero, zip, nada.

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Far-L

Which must be why you felt the urge to reply time and time again with volumes of vitriol and bilious remarks as well as spent so much time searching my former posts... which is just downright stalker-like behavior.

btw... you forgot to post the one where I had sincerely apologized to you and you told me to fuck off - such a gentlemanly and mature thing to do.

I see you are already teeing up the notion that you will stay in spite of your threat of leaving. The hypocracy never ends.

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TheDoc

You couldn't argue racism, or anything... your entire argument now is complete bullshit. Racism... my god.




I never said I put the video back up, but I did put a video back up, but a different one. I didn't deliberately violate any terms, at that any account ban is some term violation, not even sure why you brought that up. Anyway, I had no idea 1000's of people from Edmonton were going to find the video and shit tons flag it - which got Youtube to look at it.



Btw..

site:youtube.com "has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of our Community Guidelines"

Grab any user that comes up banned (not the listings) look the videos up in google posted by that user, and they are gone, in google and in youtube.

Oh I'm sure a few videos on some account stay up, but that's not normal... 99% of the time, everything goes with it - and anything that didn't, isn't in violation of anything.

Edit... I see your video link now: That's a community guideline termination, not a copyright violation. He can create another account with the same info. We are talking about Copyright violations here or at least severe term violations.

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TheDoc

It always says multiple... it says the same message all the time.

It's not normal for the videos to stay up, unless the account didn't infringe on anything but got a bunch of flags from users - ie: not copyright violation, just a bunch of pissy users.







Transfer of liability? Hahahaha... That's the most gibberish spewed twisted crap I've seen you post yet.


On the subject of speaking out of your ass, let me remind you - you're not a lawyer, like the rest of us.

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will76

Far-L saying that all Cam sites shave and a lot of talk about toilets, that's about it.

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will76

LMAO, this from the guy who STARTS entire threads about me, and I am the stalker... nigga please. you smoking some good stuff called denial.

Another Will76 thread, because the world needs more, please help!



LMAO, I quote you a couple times and I am a stalker, yet you start entire retarded threads about me, and that makes you what.... ? hypocrite. just face it you are a hypocrite and sniff Nathans Ass.

Keep playing and I will keep making you look like the fool you are.

All cam sites shave lmao.

hey I am Far-L, I got featured in newsweek back in 1902, none of you people can talk unless you spent as much money as i did fighting acacia, look at me, I sniff Nathan's Ass.

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baddog

If you read nothing else, read Paul's posts. They are delightful.

garce

I fixed that for you.

I find it amazing how many old school "bros" are closing up shop and ripping off loyal webmasters; or shoving their wet, hungry-for-past-glory tongues up the assholes of the big dog of the moment.

Like Nathan said, we'll see what happens in five years. I'll be here.

Far-L

The more you try to twist what I say around the more you look like a manipulative, petulant little snit, whiner.

Now we know you aren't going anywhere. You need the attention and that makes you not just a whiny little bitch but an attention whore too. Quite a piece of work. Go dig up more threads to quote - make sure you title everything "nanner nanner boo boo".

btw, two can play that school yard game...

Look at me, I am Willnot76, I cry about shit and don't do anything about it other than bitch and point blame against people and I don't need proof I just need attention. LOOK AT MEEEEEE ME MEEEEEE! I have never done anything of note. I don't need to. I am Willnot76!

(Wow... I haven't done that since 6th grade... wasn't as fun as it used to be though)

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Nathan

I was really looking forward to another Paul post :/

Maybe we will get lucky this morning and he will post again?

BTW, even if many here do not believe gideon, he is correct on removing content we have no reason to remove... its discriminating against the others. Although it might not be obvious, we could still be sued about it.

This is why DMCA requires a counter notice to the submitter of the content when a DMCA notice comes in. If the submitter says he DOES own the copyright, we have to actually check in detail who is correct.

DMCA is not as simple as many people think.

Also, just because a user has uploaded infringing content, for example 5 out of 100 videos get a DMCA. That does not make the other 95 pieces of content red flags.

I'm sure now RycEric will post another one of his wisdom "you all suck ass" things... but I'm ok with that...

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Dirty Dane

Exactly. It's the same message cover all kinds of reasons and that user with one video only couldn't be booted for copyright violation.

Dirty Dane

Yes, but if you have good reasons to believe so, then you are required to remove it, to keep safe harbor.

Nathan

Dane, this is what "red flag" means... its NOT a red flag...

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Dirty Dane

Repeated infringer is good reason to believe and even better reason when they state it themselves (like "I have 100 more videos", "I will reupload", "I will continue"...). These issues about awareness are pointed out in 512(c)(1)(A)(iii) + 512(d)(1)(C) and you can remove such content without being noticed by copyright holders.

Anyway, you do not have to worry about these details because you have already said/estimated 20% is infringing and it's 5% of income. That is in breach with the basic requirements for safe harbor. Awareness and financial benefit.

Nathan

Dane, I know, I have lawyers that tell me what I can and can not do ;)

And I did not say 20% is infringing, I said 20% I do not know. thats what DMCA is for. If people tell us, we remove it.

This is a useless discussion Dane. We all know we have difference of opinion on this subject. Its useless to discuss. I know what we can and can not do. We have very good lawyers. If you think we are wrong, so be it...

We are not in breach with DMCA and our lawyers agree.

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toilets. lots of toilets.