Iron Mike

Sugar is a.poison. Get rid of sugar and the world will turn. Literally. Your perception will turn. Natural high. Water butter nuts chicken (whole, baked with broth) peanut butter some grilled vegetables fish. All you need.
The process of becoming an 'adult' was called 'individuation' by C.G. Jung. A chaotic 'ego' hinders us from becoming grown ups.
Sugar feeds the "I", the ego. Your body does not need refined sugar products or starch products of any kind. Your brain needs sugar to survive. And your liver is capable of producing sugar.
Sugar is a poison.

TheSquealer

your brain does not "need sugar". it doesn't seem that you even understand what a ketogenic diet is, much less the basic physiology behind it. it certainly has nothing to do idiotic, long since disproven concepts in psychology and psychology certainly has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with an innate drive to eat calorie dense foods. obviously cutting out sugar from your diet cannot in any way be compared to injecting HGH.

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bronco67

Keto is a pile of bullshit. It sounds like you're conflating carbs and sugar. Sugar is not great for you, but that doesn't mean you need to stop eating carbs. Cutting out an entire macro is not the answer. Our bodies have evolved to work with fat, protein and carbs. Not just protein and fats.

It's just another fucking fad.

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Conflating carbs and sugar? What do you think carbs turn into when you put them into your body?

SpicyM

Peanut butter =

Sugar is an immediate and quick source of energy.. go hardcore mountine hiking and you will understand the importance of having this quick fuel at hand.

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you obviously didn't try hgh if you think it's like being on keto diet.

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TheSquealer

If you don't eat fat... you die
If you don't eat protein,... you die.
If you don't eat carbs... you're fine.

Carbs are the non-essential macro-nutrient in our diet. That is a simple incontrovertible fact of human physiology.

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CaptainHowdy

That's what I call nutritional trolling . . .

CurrentlySober

i cunt a4d keto...

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tony286

A fad? lol They started using keto to help kids with seizures before there was meds for it. Its been around for a long long time.

pimpmaster9000

on a typical keto diet you would eat between 5-8 cups of geen veggies per day...it is far from no carb...its just that only 10% of the calories come from carbs and geen veggies are very poor in calories but rich in nutrients...

you only avoid certain carbs...

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dyna mo

i'm more into calorie restriction these days. moderation is the key for me. keto is too much torture and denies me the pleasures of some foods and beer. I'm also concerned about the long-term consequences of keto.

PR_Glen

I get similar results from doing intermittent fasting in general these days plus, as you said, it's difficult to deal with prep and work arounds all the time for keto all the time. Moderation is much more reasonable long term.

I'm not really concerned with long term results of keto as much as it is just unreasonable for that much prep every time you want to eat something. Where when you are using a fasting window you can eat with relative freedom and reap the same health benefits overall.

I'll do waves of keto if i'm trying to cut weight for something though. It's just a bit faster of a process than calorie restriction alone.

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dyna mo

makes sense.

i was doing daily IF for so long I actually forgot it was IF. it worked well for me for a long long time. break fast ~noon, last meal ~7pm. beautiful.

but I fell off the IF wagon a few months ago having to recover from an accident and surgeries. I also let my diet lapse too and am now trying to get back on track with things. it's not easy this time for some reason. it was much easier maintaining it than having to get back into it.

Google Expert

This.

The most amazing thing was watching body fat literally disappear within a couple days of HGH injections.

Didn't notice any stunning muscle gains, though i suppose it should be paired with testo for best results.

Google Expert

Carbs are the best source of energy for your daily activities.

Yuo can't get all your calories just from meat (well technically you can, but it's not the best idea)

And yes, fruits and veggies are considered carbs.

Scrapper

Interesting as most diets or life changes are far too complex to just be labeled. IMO what best works for a 52-year-old Internet marketing junkie like me is intermitted fasting. It's a simple lifestyle. I eat 3 meals a day or even an additional snack in an 8-hour window. I only eat/drink natural foods. Refined or process foods like sugar are of course a pass. The only thing processed for me are 100% natural spices or juice. Yes, you must grow accustomed to reading labels. I first lost the mid-90's webmaster (50lbs) weight gain and kept it off now for almost 10 years as my weight fluxes +/-5lbs.

You see, where most of my/your problems start is well, phycological. In short, you need to unfuck yourself first for any life changes to take root and thrive. Meaning, I didn't lose all that weight and kept it off for physical health reasons. This was just an ancillary benefit. I did this for mental health reasons, first.

The last 10 years I've prospered the most and never felt better in my life. Granted, there are days where you cave and need to drink some whiskey or a beer while eating grilled meat with something sweet on the side. Just NEVER two days in a row. For little over a year now I had to give up the occasional whiskey/alcohol (again) because of 18-year-old Highland Park insisted that rules don't really need to apply to them and I was starting to see the logic in that. <grin>

chaze

Yeah, I definitely think sugar is horrible. Maybe one of the worse drugs on the planet. Rots teach, causes diseases, makes you fat. Just horrible

Klen

I managed to lose 45 kg without all this bullshit diets and eating whatever i want. And i even builded some muscle mass in process.

pimpmaster9000

Its very simple really...there are just 2 hormones that matter...insulin and leptin...if you eat certain types of sugars, insulin will spike...it is the bodys "storage hormone"...turns carbs in to fat...also blocks leptin...leptin is the satiety hormone, it is produced by our fat tissue and regulates hunger...spike your insulin, you will fuck your leptin...you will feel hunger...you should never feel hunger...

Fat and protein raise insulin very little and there you have it folks...everything you need to know about fat loss...one single thing makes you fat and it is not fat...it is carbs...ok too much protein can make you fat by means of gluconeogenesis but if you do not block your leptin you will probably not get too much protein anyway...

If you ever feel hunger during keto you are doing something wrong...if you do not look forward to fasting for days, with proper intake of vitamins and minerals, you are doing something wrong...hunger can be turned off completely...

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dyna mo

It's completely wrong to claim protein and especially fat don't raise glucose levels. my glucose meter has proven that fact to me time and again after eating pizza. And there plenty of research that backs that up. In fact, EVERYTHING you eat is converted to glucose after it's digested. glucose is sugar. Moreover, protein intense diets like this are a surefire way to reduce insulin sensitivity to almost zero. wanna get fat fast, be completely resistant to insulin. That's called type 2 diabetes too btw.

pimpmaster9000

If you read carefully what I wrote you will see that I said protein and fat raise insulin very little....this is of course in comparison with some carbs that spike it a lot...

I fully understand that everything is converted to sugar, but the insulin is lower nevertheless...in the absense of too much insulin, leptin does its job...you are never hungry...fasting is easy...results come quick...

As for protein I am on around 1 gram of protein per kg of body weight...it is amazing how little protein we actually need, especially people who work out a lot...no muscle waste at all...the stpidest mistake I ever made was to follow the diet advice from body builders on protein intake in BB mags...whey protein powder spikes the shit out of my insulin...but meat will not...it all depends on the source...

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uhm... if you're eating pizza... you're eating grains and sugars.... which raise your blood glucose levels.
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Though some amount of protein - depending on the protein and the ratio of protein to fat can be converted to glucose - where, when in ketosis is stored in your liver. Your liver maintains a constant store of glucose. But eating fat alone will not have an effect on blood sugar. Eating quick to digest proteins like white fish or whey and lean chicken can possibly cause an insulin response if enough is converted and kick a person out of ketosis. But generally speaking, this is unlikely. If your blood sugar is rising in any meaningful way, then that means you need insulin to clear it out and get it into the cells.. an insulin response means you're not in ketosis... which means in turn that you've consumed too much carbs.

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dyna mo

uhm clarified: when I eat pizza- in relation to other meals with the same # & type of carbs- my glucose spikes more.

I've discussed this very issue with several endos and nurse practitioners and there is also plenty of research that concludes it's not correct to make that claim.

TheSquealer

Well, first i would say something that no one ever talks about. Doctors do not study nutrition. At all. Nurses... even less so.

With regard to blood sugar rising in relation to different foods, that can purely be psychological among other things. Just as if you were wearing a heart rate monitor, you were resting and i said "ok, we're going to run sprints in 10-9-8...", you're heart rate begins to rise before any work is done.

You have an enzyme in your saliva which detects carbs as well and it plays a role in your body predicting the energy value of the food you're consuming. This was discovered with cyclists where cyclists were given a drink which which they were told had carbs, though nothing could be tasted. Those who received actual glucose reliably increased their output, those who did not, did not increase their output.

You're brain can also influence your body's response simply by your perception and expectations of what you're ingesting (with or without conscious awareness).

It's not just a straight equation of "carb in vs blood glucose levels" or "this type vs that type". there is a LOT of individuality with carb sensitivity and an array of factors which determine how and to what extent your body will respond.

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bronco67

The bottom line is...you don't need to give up carbs to lose weight or stay in shape. It's definitely one way of doing it and if it's something that's sustainable, then you should do keto because sticking to something is the most important aspect of a diet. But not eating carbs for the rest of your life is not sustainable -- or enjoyable.

I've helped a few people get fit and the main rule I try to drill into their heads is this:


A mediocre/OK diet for the rest of your life will win over an extreme/great diet done for 2 months. Enjoy carbs and worry more about HOW MUCH you eat as opposed to exactly WHAT you eat. All of this science mumbo jumbo is good to know, but you can get and stay fit without worrying about insulin, leptin, ghrelin, meal timing, sets and rep ranges, LISS or HIIT cardio etc.

Most people overcomplicate it and that's where they fail because it makes shit more difficult and inhibits SUSTAINABILITY.

Now excuse me while I have a bowl of ice cream.

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dyna mo

well, you're not familiar with what it takes to become an endo nurse practioner because they all are educated in nutrition, not to mention the office nutritionist is an integral part of my diabetic healthcare team. moreover, the numbers don't lie. I've got reams of data of years of my glucose readings and corresponding food diary my team use in conjunction to help guide me on my insulin requirements.

+ all the research.

, as I originally stated and learned over time, simplifying the process of the body turning food -> energy into simply macro concepts that is invalid.

dyna mo

also, don't let the title "nurse" practitioner throw you off. an endocrinologist nurse practitioner must have a Master of Science in Nursing with an endo speciality, and endo is complicated on top of all that.

they get paid very well too, my current one makes prolly ~$200k.

pimpmaster9000

Doctors also treat type 2 diabetes with insulin LOL...what a joke...it goes against the most basic logic...

Your argument with pizza makes no sense, pizza has carbs and it will spike your insulin...what did you expect? It only confirms what I said...


And you are all doing the fasting part too short...3-4 days minimum to get the full benefits...apoptosis, hgh spike as fuck, laser concentration...the human body is designed to become better when hungry...evolution at work...all predators get more energy more focus and mental clarity and programmed cell death, your free body cleanse...it is a survival mechanism...vitamins and minerals must be supplemented...

After 2 days no thought of food is present...it gets easier with each day...energy is up as fuck...it will turn out much better than you think...

Hunger is optional...keto is the switch...the key to fasting...I suggest you read up on supplementation during fasting, get in to keto and go for a week of fasting...ok maybe ramp up to a week...be cock and balls about it...the fat loss is not the point at all...it is just a pleasant side effect

Phoenix

guys..i found the key to weight loss.
work 14 hours a day on trying to save your home from hoarders who were renting it.

apparently if you do this for 3 days you can lose 6kgs

it is the new fad

dyna mo

Wrong again.

Doctors in America certainly don't treat type 2 with insulin.

You failed to understand that I clarified my pizza comparison comment

I've been doing IF solidly for 10 years now. you think you're talking to someone who needs your simpleton advice. I've been intelligently discussing this very topic with others, some in this very thread, dating back to 2008. I've been type 1 for 35 years.

pimpmaster9000

If you read carefully I said "you are all doing the fasting part too short" this is general advice for everybody interested in fasting, you simpleton who has trouble reading, because he has trouble concentrating, because he is stoned, got munchies and got cravings like some woman and you went low calorie like some puss...

Google "insulin use in treatment of type 2 diabetes in USA"...you like being wrong dont you?

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Again dynamo, doctors do not study nutrition. When you talk to a doctor about diabetes, typically they hand you dietary guidelines from the American Diabetes Assn (?), when you talk to a cardiologist about heart disease, they hand you dietary guidelines from the American Heart Assn. Of course they can give you any recommendations from anywhere, but you'll rarely, if ever meet a doctor who has offering his own dietary advice.

Doctors and their complete and total ignorance of proper nutrition is a large reason why the entire western world and developing world are in the shape they're in.

In fact, the food pyramid itself traces back to one single asshole named Ansel Keyes who used faked studies to prove correlation between high fat and heart disease... and was the sole witness to testify before the Senates committee (McGovern's) on the harms of high fat diets and explained how they are causing the heat disease epidemic. Our dietary guidelines were then drafted by a labor reporter for a newspaper in Rhode Island, who was himself a vegetarian. That set off a massive avalanche of disease - from obesity to autism to adhd to cancers of all types. because of that, we now have children born as type 2 diabetics. The point being,... all along the way, doctors everywhere pushed this medical advice. "Fat kills". It so obviously doesn't. High fat is totally fine. It is the sugar and grains which kill. Modern grains btw (triticum/ dwarf wheat) are 100s of times removed from what we ate 5000 years ago and 1960s. aggressive genetic modification after that (remember in the 70s how childhood hunger was a thing??) turned it into something that our bodies can barely process.

my point however, is that with all of the modern disease today and the rapid explosion of disease since the 70s, doctors along with the Federal Government are at the very tip of the spear dispensing the horrible nutrition advice which is causing the problem.

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If you're just talking about weight loss, it's easy: spend more calories than you consume (eat less, do more physical work)

On another note, i'd like to know how the fuck do you plan to get your 2500+ calories per day without carbs.

dyna mo

Lol, I have a team of healthcare professionals that have dedicated their lives to managing type 1 diabetes. The last place I'd get my healthcare advice from is gfy. You won't find a single post here of me EVER asking gfy for medical advice.

This place cracks me up!

dyna mo

Oh and I just googled "insulin use in treatment of type 2 diabetes in USA"......nada. in fact, what does come up is USA research beginning back decades ago concluding it's not effective for most all with type 2

And I can assure you my fasting time of 17 hours is hardly too short for IF and fits within known IF protocols. Serbie doesn't even know what IF stands for.

pimpmaster9000

-american diabetes association:

Insulin Basics: American Diabetes Association®

"People with type 2 diabetes make insulin, but their bodies don't respond well to it. Some people with type 2 diabetes need diabetes pills or insulin shots to help their bodies use glucose for energy."

-center for disease control:

https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/basics/type2.html

"You may be able to manage your type 2 diabetes with healthy eating and being active, or your doctor may prescribe insulin, other injectable medications, or oral diabetes medicines to help control your blood sugar and avoid complications. "

-national institute of diabetes and digestive and kidney diseases:

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...nes-treatments

"Many people with type 2 diabetes need diabetes medicines as well. These medicines may include diabetes pills or medicines you inject under your skin, such as insulin. "





look you just went to shit schools OK...the brain is like a muscle...if you do not exercise it regularly it will shrink you got scammed by the education system they gave you an "I-education", it is like an Iphone...overpriced and just as good as a 1$ one...


seriously dude, get your medical advice on GFY

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After conquering the world of virtual currency with a massive virtual profits buying up all the virtual realestate that was up for grabs, Crucio has found a new challenge. Re-write modern medicine with pure thought. As he was able to manipulate the markets with virtual analysys, now he is applying the same to medicine. Virtual knowledge trumps real knowledge because logic dictates what the body needs. The virtual profits also help in virtual knowledge taught by virtual educators in a sped up virtual course. He is able to generate vast amounts of knowledge just by pure thought in the virtual world.

I am not sure why is anyone doubting anything our savior crucio writes with all the virtual proof at hand throughout the gfy posts.

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pimpmaster9000

I quoted the top US authorities on diabetes and it shows without a doubt that doctors in the US treat type 2 diabetes with insulin...there is nothing virtual about it...

Also do let me know when my joke that trades better than you do method fails...

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MakeMeGrrrrowl

But the results can't be denied, right?

Now I'm SURE you can get the same results by just eating right and exercising, but numbers are numbers and people DO lose weight while doing it.

cosis

low carb diet worked for me... pounds melted off. I have never lost weight before in my life until going low carb. Not for everyone though.

OneHungLo

God bless you wherever you are

May good fortune come your way.