punching someone in the face who is armed will get you shot.

i dont feel bad for anyone in that situation.

you start shit you loose to a gun oh well sucks to be your dumb ass.

You mean the witnesses that did not come out until they heard a gunshot? Right.

The story I posted is from one of the nations safest cities / states. Come on, you are smarter than the statement you just made.

Yep, just shows what kind of joke he is.

No, the main witness that testified that Zimmerman was getting beat up - he went outside, yelled at them to stop and ran back in to call the police. There was other witnesses as well. No one made any attempt to stop it.... as they shouldn't.

No... i never said anyone deserved to be shot. The facts of the actual confrontation are not clear enough to make the determination that someone deserved to be shot. Thats just one more example of the baseless, emotional blather that is not supported by fact that plagues this case.

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2013/06/...gging-cop-car/

I'll just leave this here

nah the system is messed up. like i posted yesterday gang members are going free under the stand your ground law in florida. what did you think the jury was when O.J. Simpson went free?? were they racist?? i want to hear your answer. :)

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...mpson/Jury.JPG

The only special training that was provided if you choose to call it training...was about an hour...if that...instruction on what the SOP was. It did not require any special training per se as you were simply to watch for strangers and/or suspicious activity and if there was suspicious activity...to call it in to the police. You were told to avoid a confrontation if at all possible. I never had a confrontation and I am not aware that anyone else did. Our patrol car was identified as being a neighbor hood watch car and we wore a T-Shirt or a jacket that identified us as being a neighbor hood watch. I was asked if I had working knowledge with a pump shotgun and it was explained to me that the shotgun in the patrol car was to remain in the car and was only there to protect ourselves if we came under fire. I was asked if I had a permit to carry and when I answered yes...I was asked about my experience with side arms and fire arms in general...which was/is extensive. I was then provided with a two page list of instructions.

Zimmerman has already lost.

1) Out of fear and stress he's gained over 100 lbs.
2) If he gets jail time he will be instantly targeted, and his time will be hellish.
3) If he doesn't get jail time, then he will spend all of his miserable, cop-wannabe time, looking over his shoulder and hoping no one is around the corner looking to even the score.

Maybe if he minded his own business he would have a happy future, but instead he decided to play tough-guy vigilante, and now his life will never be happy again.

Game over - Zimmerman loses, no matter how it turns out. Congrats!

if he is let go im hoping random people are not killed because of it. :2 cents:

Someone dropped this

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2013/06/...ming-sex-acts/

Yup. How many unrelated people died in the aftermath of the Rodney King trial?

yeah :( there are way more guns now :helpme enough to out gun the police. there are military grade weapons on the streets as well. also think there are terrorist living here in the shadows. it could get ugly. :2 cents:

That says a great deal about Black people in the USA if thats a concern.

:2 cents:

...and unfortunately blacks in large numbers can be an unruly bunch when they get a mob mentality.

The more I read about the case the more I think he will not be found guilty of Murder Two, however, my understanding is that they jury could still sentence him to Manslaughter.

like you say, even if he walks away free, there will be a civil case that will bankrupt him either through legal fees or by losing the case and having Martin's family collecting on him for the rest of his life.

Not to mention he will be one of those guy walking around that many people will assume got away with murder.

His only hope is that he beats all the charges, wins his civil case and then is offered big money for a book deal and the right to his story for a TV movie. He could take that cash and disappear.

did O.J. get away with murder??? :helpme

There are many people who believe he did.

what do you think? i didn't say other people. he was found not guilty

If I was on the jury suffering thru a half year's testimony with week after week of DNA explanations I would have had reasonable doubt about my own name.


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I think he did it.

However, if I was sitting on the jury, based on how that case went down, I likely would have had enough reasonable doubt to vote not guilty.

That is very interesting.

Yep, pussies "minding own business" is good and heroes who try to change things are frowned upon.

Interesting, I'm gonna read that.

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The segment of the population that would consider Zimmerman a "hero" may be even smaller than the group who believes Michele Bachmann's husband is heterosexual. :2 cents:

If you look at zimmermans past he isnt a hero but a piece of shit.

:1orglaugh jeez not the truth as i expected.

I do not mean hero as model citizen, I mean hero who stood up to thug criminal that would have been trouble to society (both in making crimes and later by leeching tax payers money for his prison time)

PLease tell me how the kid was thug criminal?

That would only make sense if the "thug criminal" was the aggressor. In this case, that is not what happened. An armed cop wannabe was the aggressor, for no reason whatsoever. The victim was just walking through, unarmed.

If there was a "thug criminal" involved, his name was Zimmerman.

I will tell you a hero by my home in a place called little five points. There was a line of people who were waiting in front of a shoe store to get some 175 dollar sneakers. this guy comes up armed to rob people in the the line. a guy in the line also has a gun, he kills the theft and then gets back in line. That's a hero.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. You think my answer is a lie?

It just blows me away that any civilian with a firearm can join an armed police force with only two pages of instructions and an hour long class.

Okay, I did not hear that witness.

What I think does not matter; however, I do believe the LAPD fucked that case up by embellishing the truth. Then when Fuhrman said he had never used the n word all of his testimony went out the window. As it should.

I watched most of the trial, the prosecution had good and bad days, but mostly bad.



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Why? You will just ignore it now like you obviously have been ignoring every other attempt to tell you. Or maybe thug means something different to you.

the thug had no weapons,no guns and stole nothing that night but the guy with the history of violence killed him.

good lord was O.J. guilty? if you think so where is the proof?

I was not on the jury; have you never served on one? They see evidence that no one else gets to see. The jury said not guilty and I sure was not convinced otherwise based on the obvious lies and other evidence presented that was viewable to us on Court TV.

well the gloves didnt fit because they were not his. wonder why they didnt try to find dna

I suspect DNA contamination from all the blood might have played a factor.

What is your point? He can't be tried again.

The only city mentioned was Tarzana, California. I said:

Sorry, I've never lived in a city like Tarzana California where the robbery rate is four times the national average....

Well, here is Tarzana with comparisons to my hometown and the US national average.

http://www.rochardsbunnyranch.com/rock/tar.jpg

Like I said, the robbery rate is nearly four times the national average. Murder is three times the national average. The city of Tarzana scores higher than the national average in all areas.

Maybe this is why I don't understand why people want their neighborhood watches armed - I've never lived in a city with a crime rate that high.

We of course were not armed police. We had zero police powers. I for one do not view having a shotgun in the patrol car as really being armed. I was armed because I have a permit to carry just as tens of millions of people carry. Any where you or any one else goes there are people carrying...even little old grandma's carry. I don't understand why you think one needs some kind of extensive training to ride around in a car to watch what is going on in the neighbor hood.

BTW...are you aware of why the crime rate is on the high side?

I meant to quote you Rochard.

So self serving research & feigning ignorance is the tactic? Ok .. I'll play :thumbsup

Southlake TX (2013)

Fact About Area: This is believed to be the first murder in Southlake since at least 2000.
Southlake is one of the most affluent communities in the United States.
Crime: A 43-year-old man was sitting in his Range Rover with his wife in the 100 block of Grand Avenue when he was shot shortly before 7 p.m. near the Victoria's Secret store



St. Simons Island, Ga (2013)
Fact About Area: A quiet, affluent area that hasn't seen a murder in ten years

Crime: a well-respected official of quaint St. Simons Island, Ga., was found dead on Dec. 11 with a single gunshot wound to his head. Authorities recovered the body of the 52-year-old floating in a marina, a short walk from his home, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. His hands were bound together in front of him with zip ties.


North Hills, NC (2013)

Fact About Area : Consistently in the top 20 places to live in the USA. Low crime rates, hight quality of life, stable housing prices and the second highest education level per capita in the USA.

Crime: Murder. The investigative report in the medical examiner's autopsy report states that the 8 year old daughter awoke to screaming at about 5:30 a.m. May 14, but she went back to sleep, thinking the noise was from an adjacent apartment. When the girl got up about two hours later, she found her mother in bed covered with blood, and she sought help from some construction workers nearby.




Home Invasions:

New Jersey (June 2013) : Violent Home Invasion Caught on Nanny Cam - A man can be seen bursting into the home, punching and kicking the woman and throwing her down stairs while her 3-year-old daughter cowered on a couch.



Charlotte NC ( July 2013 ) : 5 Teens Charged in Charlotte Home Invasion Robberies - Five teens face a variety of charges in connection with several armed robberies and a home invasion, according to Charlotte-Mecklenburg police.



Grandview Missouri ( June 2013 ): Three Hours of Torture in Violent Grandview Mo Home Invasion - Officials say four people were tortured, burned, and one woman raped for several hours all while a 2-year-old child was in the home. One family member told 41 Action News the men inside were zip-tied up. Pillowcases were put over their heads, and they were burned from head to toe. The torture went on for more than three hours.



Monte Sereno CA ( Dec 2012 ) : Three more arrests in Monte Sereno home invasion slaying of wealthy entrepreneur - Kumra was killed and his wife, Harinder Kumar, beaten on Nov. 30 during a home-invasion robbery of his Monte Sereno mansion. His body was found on the floor of his 7,000-square-foot home after his wife dialed 911. She told police as many as four intruders entered the couple's home and had beaten her.



Nationally ( 2007 - Present ): Wave of Home Invasions Puts the Wealthy on Alert - Billionaire investors Warren Buffett and Ernest Rady, socialite Anne Bass and professional basketball players Eddy Curry and Antoine Walker all have joined a group to which they would rather not belong: victims of home invasion. In affluent enclaves across the country, from Beverly Hills, Calif., to Scarsdale, N.Y., these high-profile cases and others -- many of them unsolved -- have set nerves on edge amid what law-enforcement officials and security experts say is becoming an alarming trend. One particularly gruesome case in July underscored the dangers for many, when a home invasion in Cheshire, Conn., ended in the deaths of a doctor's wife and his two daughters. Two men have been arrested and charged in the case.


The more puzzling think to me is this:

Why does it matter to you if people are wealthy, middle class or poor. Or weather they live in high crime areas or not?

Shouldn't we all have the same expectation of safety?

Safety, education, health care ?.. Yes, we should all have the same expectations but reality says money makes a huge difference.

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I fail to see what your reply has to do with my comment. Great, there was a murder in a nice town. (We had a murder recently in my town here too, which stunned all of us.) But I am guessing they didn't arm their neighborhood watch with shotguns.

Wow .. and here I thought you were feigning ignorance ... :Oh crap

1. He was found not guilty in a court of law.

2. The aftermath of that was..... an outcry but no rioting. Even the liberal media jokes about OJ getting away with murder.

So ..

IF Zimmerman is found not guilty in a court of law, a civilized society should expect the same ... an outcry but no rioting.


Btw... Do you think OJ was guilty?

The discussion was about crime and armed neighborhood watch group in Tarzana, California - Not about how small towns with low crime rates have an occasional crime.

Out of all of the towns mentioned, do they have neighborhood watch groups, and are any of them armed?

My town had a murder last year, and now a home robbery recently. Still don't have people crying about how we need to arm ourselves and form an armed civilian posse.

It's stunning that we have cities with armed neighborhood watches with zero instruction, no rules, no authority, and then have them patrolling at night and shooting kids because they are wearing a hoodie in the rain...