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Does one have to practice medicine to know if someone is mentally ill?

Not even close. "He clearly....". The state is playing those two soundbites over and over and over because its all they really have to meet the requirements for second degree murder. It is literally their most important evidence and anyone that listens to the calls in their entirety can't possibly believe Zimmerman had any ill will. In fact, he sounded very calm, dopey and aloof, the entire time he was guiding police to his location.

It's not used again and again because in and of itself, its significant. It's literally all the prosecution has and it something they MUST argue to be true and they've done so with very poor results.

And I don't believe any witness yet has agreed with the prosecution that him muttering something under his breath with full knowledge of his being recorded and which was mentioned as a general reference to the people that have been breaking into residences and cars in the neighborhood was directed specifically at Martin but rather generally directed at those who typically get away as had happened frequently in this community.

The prosecution's case is beyond weak, i've said that from day one and its true today and they've been decimated nearly every single step of the way. The state cannot prove that Zimmerman, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, committed an act of 2nd degree murder. There is literally almost nothing but doubt. Almost the entire case of the state is either unsupported by fact or is 100% circumstantial and speculative.

The prosecution was forced by politicians, not actual facts to try Zimmerman... and this circus is the result.

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I think... Zimmerman will be found guilty of either 2nd degree murder or manslaughter.

From what I understand - and correct me if I am wrong - there isn't much of a difference between the two in Florida. Manslaughter with "firearm offenses" tied in make the sentences just as long as 2nd degree murder.

Although I might be wrong on that.

Penalties are similar and I believe Manslaughter is a mandatory lessor offense. Meaning being charged with 2nd Degree Murder carries the automatic charge of Manslaughter in Florida.

he will walk
 

from everything I have seen, all evidence points toward self defense

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I have heard one attorney say that he could get up to 25 years for manslaughter and another say 30 years...but yes it can be almost as bad as a 2nd degree conviction.

If Zimmerman gets convicted of manslaughter I suspect this particular judge will give him the maximum...as she appears to me to be a prosecutor's judge.

well a person needs to be diagnosed.

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A person needs to be diagnosed to have a conclusive determination as to what the illness is. Observing someone standing on a roof top, screaming they are Iron Man and then jumping off with arms outstretched as they attempt to fly hardly requires a diagnosis to come to the reasonable conclusion that the individual is mentally ill.

I think either way he's going to prison for a long, long time...

Thats quite possible. At the end of the day, the jury is a wildcard no matter what. No one can say with any degree of certainty what they will come back with, regardless of the strength of the case, the evidence, the testimony etc.

And I don't see this at all. He started the confrontation by following him, and the only real injury he got was two cuts and a fat lip. At the same time somehow Zimmerman - who was loosing consciousness - was able to pull out his firearm while Martin was physically on top of him? Bullshit.

I think a confrontation took place, Martin sucker punched him, they wrestled a little bit, and then Zimmmerman shot him. This was a fist fight, Zimmerman was never in any danger, help was seconds away (seconds after Martin was shot people were on the scene), police were already en-route, and his injuries were not life threatening in any way shape or form.

One may not have the knowledge to specify a diagnosis for a type of mental illness...with out practicing medicine...but one does not have to practice medicine to know when someone is obviously mentally ill...now does one?

good lord! :1orglaugh so no way they could be high or drunk :1orglaugh even depressed? good observation! you can now print your certificate :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thank fuck you aren't on the jury then. Your verdict is based on what you think happened, rather than the evidence which PROVES Zimmerman WAS NOT acting in self defence. Where is that, btw? The thing that can prove Zimmerman was not in fear of his life at that moment in time the shot was fired?

How can someone who bends over so much for anything and everything the cops do, disregard the fact that by law the prosecution must PROVE Zimmerman had intent to kill? Oh wait, that's exactly how law enforcement and it's blinkered supporters works - my bad! The law MUST BE OBEYED...until it comes to dishing out 'justice', that is.

Incorrect and irrelevant.

You are calling him calling 911 and guiding police to him "starting the confrontation" when in fact, there is no confrontation at that point. They aren't talking. They aren't in each others face. They aren't throwing things at each other. Martin was 100% unhindered from going on his way. You are distorting facts and then fabricating the idea of a confrontation existed which didn't happen.

All that matters is what was going through Zimmermans mind at the moment he pulled out a gun and pulled the trigger.

Incorrect and at this point, a gross distortion and a bit disingenuous.

His nose was broken. His head was cut up. He face/forehead had several cuts.

Losing consciousness?

Clearly he pulled out his gun and shot him. Thats fact, not contested by anyone.

Pure speculation and completely unsupported by facts.

Injuries being life threatening or not, is 100% irrelevant. It's your opinion that they are yet its 100% irrelevant as far as the legal proceedings and charge of 2nd degree murder are concerned. It's an irrelevant fact that you alone cling to as evidence when its not relevant at all - apart from just being your opinion that it is.

It's the reasonable fear of might happen next that matters. A fact you continue to ignore and willfully deny.

Everyone involved before a special investigator was put in place by the governor believed Zimmerman and found all evidence and eye witness accounts to be consistent with Zimmermans story.


At some point, a reasonable person would have to start asking himself "Why does everyone keep accusing me of trolling".

You of course can think whatever you choose to think but there is absolutely no way that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self defense. What a jury will decide is any ones guess.

I didn't exclude any possibility. It was an analogy to demonstrate that an observation of ones behavior can lead to the reasonable conclusion that another is mentally ill. If i see a homeless guy crouched on the street eating his own turd, a reasonable first thought is not "maybe its the wine"

the judge is a fucking biased cunt

Rochard, keep this in mind: A cop will shoot you dead if they even THINK you are thinking about hurting them.

Never mind punching a cop or kicking his ass. You would already be shot dead before you got the chance.

Probably why the cops never arrested GZ in the first place. To them it's perfectly understandable to shoot somebody if they threaten you in ANY way, shape, or form.

I've seen you defend cops using all kinds of brutality and shooting unarmed people.

The "state" does it all the time. Now a "civilian" did it (and he's not the first or last...fights escalate to deadly force every day of the week).

I think Rochard has made it clear that he will accept only one verdict; possibly two, as long as GZ is sentenced to a long time in jail.

Nothing else matters.

If I recall correctly he had his mind made up before the trial ever started. He has zero interest in the evidence that was allowed to be presented during the trial.

This is just a ploy to keep himself from every having to submit to jury duty. If he ever gets called he'll just send the clerk of courts the link to this thread.

Self Defense? He had a fat lip.

This looks really life threatening!

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I have yet to see anything in the trial that indicates Zimmerman needed to act in self defense.

He was a member of a martial arts gym but yet couldn't throw a punch? Does anyone believe that?

He didn't start the confrontation? From the moment of the first call Zimmerman made to 911 to the moment Maritin was shot dead was.... Seventeen minutes?

Zimmerman followed him in his car, and then followed Martin on foot.

He started the entire confrontation. From start to finish.

Why did he need to get out of the car to see what the street name was when there is only three streets in the entire complex?

Blood flows upwards from a cut these days in your world I take it? :1orglaugh

My thoughts are based on what I think is the evidence. I've watched the trial, I've read the police reports, I've watched the video the day after when Martin spoke to the police.

All of the evidence I have seen makes me think the same thing... Zimmerman got punched, they wrestled, and Zimmerman shot Martin. There is zero fucking evidence indicating that Zimmerman had any reason to believe his life was in danger, period. He had a fat lip and two cuts - he didn't even need medical attention.

So..only a damn fool waits to get his head bashed in before he retaliates. If he hadn't shot him, it may have been the travon murder trial..but of course we would've never heard about that.

If you think a confrontation is started from following someone and gives the right to sucker punch someone, you have a screw lose, or are a Troll...

If all that happened was that --- Zimmerman Followed Someone, Martin Sucker Punched, WHO IS GOING TO JAIL????

If he ever gets called I'll send this thread to the clerk of courts :1orglaugh

Want to know why .......

Because YOU were NOT THERE, You do NOT know what is going on in his Head.

You do NOT know how hard the blows were.

You do not know if the Blows were Scary to him.

I can hit one dude with a Medium hit and his face will gush Open, I can hit another with a Superman punch and Nothing....

Everyone is Different....

Move on Troll

You are the best troll on this board by far, gotta hand it to ya :thumbsup

I even know this yet keep replying lol, I'm a damn idiot sometimes :1orglaugh

If someone follows me three blocks and gets out his car to follow me in the dark in the rain... Yeah, I would confront them too.

I'm not saying Martin is a saint. I'm saying this was nothing more than a fist fight that ended up in murder.

The evidence from the trial indicates that Zimmerman was barely hurt, which is confirmed by the photos the police released and the testimony at the trial.

No, I don't know how hard the blows were. But from the evidence it seems they weren't too serious at all.

Confront, Or Sucker Punch and start the altercation?
Big differences there buddy.......

See you keep throwing different stuff in...

You would be the best interference runner in a trial, LOL

Troll on.....

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May be able to convict on 2nd Degree Murder, but Manslaughter seems to fit the situation.

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You are an Idiot... That info is HINDSIGHT...

As also stated the Next Blow could of been fatal... But then he couldn't of shot him.

You Only have to fear for your life..

So IF Martin confronted Zimmerman for Following, sucker punched him,
Thus Starting the Altercation and the Illegal activities...

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All I know is I really hope he walks but either way I'll accept the jury's decision and move on.

that's all that's needed. :evil-laug any prison sentence

Walks, doesn't walk, either way his life is over.

And if/when GZ walks then gets murdered, I bet Rochard, Richard nor anyone else who can't see past their own prejudices and ignore the facts, evidence or lack thereof will give 2 shits about it.

Please fill me in on these 'facts' you keep mentioning that proves Zimmerman is innocent.

There don't need to be any facts that prove he is innocent. The facts need to prove he is guilty; and they do not.

The burden of proof is, and always has been, on the prosecution; not the defense.

Perhaps you and a few others should try educating yourselves a little...

And, since you clearly don't seem to be able to read, or are too lazy to, I've never once said I thought he was innocent.

Well you're the one that is saying people are ignoring the facts, so what are they?

I'll take that one:

The "facts" are that the prosecution has to prove it was murder beyond a reasonable doubt.

The "facts" are that most attorney on the news channels are saying they have no case because it was self defense.

The "facts" are that the jury will make that decision.

My opinion (not a "fact") is that in any other trial this would be self defense and a slam dunk for the defense. That's why the state never wanted to arrest Zimmerman in the first place.

BUT...with all the media hype and even a black Congresswoman saying that "Trayvon was hunted down and killed", and Pres. Obama saying that Trayvon looked like his son would look (even the Pres. stirring up racial divide)...that the jury could do most anything.

Because of that I can't even guess what the verdict would be.