Yes, I'm completely spineless because I value my life too much to attack someone that I know is armed. Especially if I'm in a neighborhood where I belong and not doing anything wrong.

But yeah, good for Martin, he showed that Zimmerman guy how tough he is... I mean, was.

Lot of good those "balls" do him now eh?

I'm not offering up a timeline because, like you and everyone else, I don't actually know what happened. And I just happen to think that "offering up a timeline" based on nothing but my own opinions, prejudices and fantasies, and based on nothing but speculation and conjecture is quite moronic.

You sure as shit seem to have a lot of free time to come here and try to force your opinions as fact based on nothing but what you want to believe happened (fantasy) though.

After making my post I did a little searching. I looks like Martin's parents settled with the home owner's association where this happened for about $1 and then after announcing the settlement said they still intend to sue Zimmerman separately.

I know Zimmerman raised a decent amount of money for his defense, but it is likely going to be gone by the end of this trial. Even if they do settle with him out of court I can't imagine he has much to give them. I have a feeling it will be one of those things, like OJ, where they will be collecting from him for the rest of his life unless he gets lucky and gets another spree of donations after being found not guilty.

I have known of two different communities that
I used to go to...from time to time... that had armed security guards patrolling in patrol cars and at the entrance of one of them they had a security gate with an armed security guard...present 24/7...which signed you in and listed who you were visiting.

The watch that I served with had a single patrol car with identification on it and there was always a 12 gauge shotgun in it. Some of us had handguns we carried while on patrol...some did not. We patrolled in pairs and the AO was patrolled 24/7.

When I lived in LA a friend of mine's parents were pretty well off. His dad was some kind of a specialist surgeon and his mom was a lawyer. They lived in a very nice gated community that had a neighborhood watch that had vehicles. They didn't have guns, but they did have uniforms and tasers. I guess part of the deal with living in this community is that you had to volunteer to be on the community watch at least once per year or you had to pay a pretty hefty fine.

They took their neighborhood watch pretty damn seriously. One car always sat by the entrance gate. If the car coming in was one they didn't recognize they would follow it around until it either pulled into a house and the people were greeted and let into the home or until it left.

Exactly. The communities I am talking about are in the L.A. area. I used to live in that area with my last home in the area being in Tarzana.

Before the end of the decade they will have laptops and will be checking IDs by computer. And I suspect they will be armed. God Bless 'Merica.:upsidedow

Id love to live in a place like that

To be 100% honest. So would I.

I live near quite a few neighborhoods in a nice area that have guard posts and big signs at the entrance saying the neighborhood is patrolled by armed patrols. I really fail to see why thats unusual. Bad people don't sit around in their neighborhoods to commit burglaries. They go to nice neighborhoods to do it. In fact, i have a brick and mortar business in a very nice area full of gated communities and luxury apartments. The apartments complexes get robbed non stop in spite of their security systems, gates etc. Organized groups of people run around hitting them on a regular basis.

tony286 and Rochard apparently are not aware of communities outside of their own...as there is nothing unusual about having armed people patrolling communities with different rules/instructions for different communities.

That's not a neighborhood watch that's paid security guards.

If the police set up your neighborhood watch there are no guns,the guidelines are set up by the sheriffs assoc nationally. Now you decide to do it your own that's a different story. One of the things the cop talked about in my class was the possible costs of playing John Wayne. One of your volunteers with guns shoots somebody by mistake you can loose everything.Forget about going to jail for a long time.

Zimmerman had an absolute right to profile Trayvon Martin, whom is a young black male, the demographic that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. Wearing baggy clothes and walking around in late evening just aggravate the situation.

Black culture is toxic and very hindering to all black people, and the fact that blacks embrace it does not make me happy.
Casting out rational people such as Bill Cosby to be pariahs and embracing pinheads such as Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson (who's son is a criminal).

It won't happen, but if black fathers stay and raise their biological children, embrace education, family, community, and rejected black culture traits associated with ghetto rap/lifestyle/thug ; within 2 generations prejudice (toward blacks) would completely evaporate.

Fools will argue nonstop even with straight facts handed to them on a platter, that's how you get a green handle... or red one. :2 cents:

Why should blacks swallow your bitter pill of truth when it's easier to just call you a "racist"?

Just returned from a business trip to North Carolina where this is in the news. http://www.wral.com/autopsy-details-...oman/12579522/

That North Hills area is very exclusive.

I have no idea who originally set up the watch that I was a member of as it was ongoing when I moved into the neighbor hood. I do know that everyone was encouraged to participate and I know there was a good relationship with the police.

I notice that you said "the guidelines are set up by the sheriffs assoc nationally". Guidelines are guidelines are they not? Guidelines would mean that different communities could and do have different rules/instruction...does it not?

I am sure Travion went out for Skittles :mad:

This is what is stupid about arguing that Martin running around in the dark and rain in a gated community where he was not a resident is no big deal. Just a guy walking around with skittles, making the world a better place. When you're there and you're on the lookout for people breaking into homes (as has happened continuously) and you see someone who looks very out of place - my personal assumption would be that everyone is in danger until proven otherwise. That's not unreasonable in my view.

My gf lives about 3 mins from me in a private gated community - in this community as one example was a once very well known rap producer who's net worth as i just read was thought to be 500 mil at one point. Trust me, if i was a kid that looked out of place, lurking around in the dark and rain - the security there would be on top of me in seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. A good portion of the residents are wealthy indians, pakistanis, arabs, blacks etc. There is a lake inside the community and we often go sit there and security hovers around non stop when we do. They write down my license plate number. They keep track of who is there and what they are doing. Thats what everyone wants. Thats what they are paid to do by the community. To be seen. To have a presence. To let anyone and everyone know they are there and they are watching everything. For me to walk up to the guy and start a fight is hardly justifiable under any circumstance. Particularly when all one has to do is just keep walking home.

Maybe Zimmerman hated skittles?

Mayber Martin went out for skittles when he got busted with a backpack full of womens jewelry and a screwdriver prior to this event?

Maybe Zimmerman was escorted down from heaven by an angel to kill the "suspect" armed with candy.

For those who don't understand.. Black kid, night time = suspect for some mentally challenged people in this country.

So basically, you're saying the black douchebag deserved to be shot? There's a reason zimmerman should walk, but martins being a lowlife isn't it. To try and justify it by the above is a joke.

At the least if they are going to run their mouths they should at least know the facts. Cmon down here guys and be among all the other dumb asses. It's easy to make dumbass comments from your computers on the wrong fucking coast.

Get the fuck back to work people.

The prosecution does NOT have a case.

I get into a lot of debates with black women when they say something completely ignorant. Their reply is, "well my momma told me that & she is always right because she my momma." The problem is, too many flat out stupid young mothers are having children. It just happens to be more prevalent in the hood. They just need to stop having kids for a few hundred years.
Ds

Where do I sign the petition?

doesn't matter he was un armed

So you are spineless and have no balls. Got it.

I am offering up a timeline based one what I can piece together. It's not like this hasn't been on the news for months and it's not like we haven't seen dozens of timelines on the news and online before.

I don't have any prejudices at all. I don't care what color or race anyone has; It's not important to me. What is important to me is that I have a child and we have a security force that patrols at night - should I be concerned that my kid will be gunned down because she doesn't look like she lives here?

I'm not forcing anything; I'm debating.

I honestly do not know much about "neighborhood watches" and I am stunned that they could be armed. Here my town even our "volunteer police" are unarmed. Then again, I live in a town where we have a very low crime rate.

Did you have any special training for this?

This one was unarmed as well

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...y-cam-beating/

Zimmerman is a living billboard, warning normal people why morons shouldn't be allowed to wander around with guns. And by "morons" I mean the clear majority of the populace.

Sorry, I've never lived in a city like Tarzana California where the robbery rate is four times the national average....

I don't think it had anything to with race either. There was a number of robberies, Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch, and it was in his best interests and the communities best interests to report it.

apples and oranges clearly you cant see that.

Yes, NJ neighborhood didn't have Zimmermans patrolling. And if they did your people would still cry racism :2 cents:

If it makes you feel tougher than me then sure. Fact of the matter is, Martin's "toughness" got him where again? Oh, right... dirt nap.

Throughout this entire debate, you have had a very one sided view, and in every way you present it, Zimmerman is guilty of murder. You have no evidence to actually support this, nor does the prosecution else they wouldn't be doing such a great job of doing the defense' job for them. You present every opinion you have as fact when it is nothing more than speculation and conjecture.

You should look up the definition. Your major prejudice in this thread is that, in your view, Zimmerman is guilty no matter what; regardless of the lack of evidence supporting your opinions; and you have all but outright refused to see any chain of events other than what you think (or want to believe) happened.

Prejudice has fuck all to do with race. "The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: i.e. making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case."

Maybe we should wait until all the facts are on the table before we make our decisions.

I think you guys should be at least listening to the testimony; I stated last week that I felt the prosecution is trying to prove why they did not want to try the case. The defense is going to be able to rest as soon as the prosecution does after today's testimony.

I can't help but think he is intentionally proving the defense's case.

I do have a one sided view. This is either self defense or murder, and no one has been able to change my mind this. Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

Of course, one should bear in mind that you have absolutely no clue as to the rule of LAW. Not that laws make any difference to you or your opinion.

And yet you continue to ignore the testimony as well. You assume Martin knew he was armed from the get-go, and base the rest of your argument around that. I countered that by asking who would walk up and start a fight with someone that they know is armed, and instead of realizing the logic and probability of my counter, you proceeded to talk about my balls. In real debates, we call personal attacks made as a last resort to win said debate, losing.

And who is to say that the incident didn't happen exactly as GZ said it did; that he only drew his weapon and fired because Martin saw it and threatened his life? You certainly cannot prove that this isn't what happened, nor can anyone else prove that it is what happened. And yet, you continue your entire argument and prejudice around nothing but speculation, conjecture and what you personally want to believe happened.

Don't forget, if Zimmerman is not convicted that means he had a racist jury.

I do not ignore any testimony. I am not watching the case on a daily basis - I don't have the kind of free time Baddog has - and the only testimony I've heard about this is that George Zimmerman's father said Martin saw the gun. I believe I also questioned if Martin saw the gun - was it just "in Zimmerman's waistband" or was it covered by a jacket (It was raining).

You seem focused on this and I'm not sure why; It doesn't matter. If Martin saw the gun or not is pointless; Martin felt threatened enough to run from a man who was obviously following him. Martin felt threatened enough to run all the way back to the only point of safety he knew in the area. Zimmerman followed him all the way.

Zimmerman says he was walking back to his truck, but I haven't heard or seen or read any witness that supports this. Zimmerman claims his head was being bashed into the concrete pavement (yet only has two minor cuts on the back of his head), and again i haven't heard or seen or read any witness statement that supports this.

I think Martin punched him in the face, and then Zimmerman panicked and shot him. If you think otherwise, great - tell me what you think.

Yet you have time to write paragraphs of conjecture. Making conclusions without the facts at hand, especially in criminal proceedings, is dangerous and morally wrong.

I think others will agree with me that you haven't convinced anyone in this thread otherwise in accordance to your opinion, the only thing you have convinced us of is your inability to reason the facts in their totality and make sound judgment.

There is a reason they call marines jarheads... :2 cents: :upsidedow

So ? if I'm caring a gun and am attacked I should wait until I'm really fucked up by my attacker before I use the gun? Wait until I'm fucked up enough to be hospitalized?

Keeping in mind the damage done just recently to xxxjay with one punch, I should wait until how many of those land?

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I know Rochard will hate to hear this, but the prosecution's witness, cop investigating the case just said he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth when he related the events of that evening.

Bad cop. Racist cop.

That's the problem - at what point does it become life threatening?

Zimmerman said in the police report that he was "out of breath" and "having problems breathing". There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman thought it was life threatening.

If Zimmerman didn't shoot the kid... The fight would have been broken up by witnesses (or the police), Zimmerman might have been hurt, and instead of time in jail and in court fighting for his freedom, he could be a hero and going after the family in court.

Wrong. Very wrong. It becomes life threatening once someone attacks you.

A real street fight is fast, explosive, over quickly and almost always ends up on the ground.

Nothing is fair, always assume your attacker has a knife or gun.

Fighting with a gun in a waistband means both fighters have a gun since taking it away is equally hard/easy once you are close or both on the ground.

The only real way to stop your opponent in a street fight is to inflict so much damage he is incapable of further aggression.

Quit watching TV movies or MMA fights. Nothing is fair, nothing goes 15 rounds. A street fight is like a car wreck, quick/bloody/brutal.

Monday morning quarterbacking is pointless …….

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Both parties were in the wrong. It's really as simple as that. We should just give Zimmerman a few years for manslaughter and call it good.

the point your missing is he is allowed to carry in FL means he can carry a gun out on the street anytime he wants to has nothing to do with neighborhood watch at all.