He also claimed on Hannity he knew nothing about stand your ground even though he got an A on the subject in a class he took. And he lied about having a 2nd passport.

FagDog obviously knows nothing about the facts of this case, defends cops no matter what (even those that shoots dogs) and the fact that Zimmerman wanted to be a cop is good enough in his 200 hundred year old pea brain head.

Right or wrong is irrelevant to some of these douche bags, just the fact a black kid was taken off the street is good enough for them. Manslaughter may be more appropriate and I believe the jury has the option of convicting him of a lower crime.

He would not have known it to be "stand your ground" from the course that he took as it was not taught as being the "stand your ground" law as there is not any such law. It has been nick named by the media as the "stand your ground" law.

Oh the irony of it :1orglaugh

When people live in a neighborhood that is getting their homes robbed, and someone volunteers to go on neighborhood watch...I'm pretty sure that the folks that lived there were grateful for anybody they can get with a vested interest in the community to help.

Wow I am old and fat? Less than 170 lbs; you?

And when were these allegations you make admitted into evidence?

He didn't call you "fat" he called you "fag"

just sayin'...

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:1orglaugh wow, not sure how I read fat; guess it must be the denial of my sexuality.

Maybe he meant it in a British way so he was calling you an old cigarette :)

Got it; thanks. :thumbsup

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http://deadstate.org/conservative-ra...-guilty-audio/
He actually bring up a good point:
"Savage went on to say that the gun Zimmerman was carrying did not have the safety on and that there was a bullet chambered, which, according to Savage, showed intent from Zimmerman.

“Had he not chambered a round prior to meeting Trayvon, and had he not taken the safety off — even if Trayvon — during the altercation even if Trayvon had tried to grab the gun away from Zimmerman, had that gun not been chambered with a round and safety off, Trayvon would have had to use two hands. You can’t do it with one hand,” Savage said.

“Because Zimmerman carried a loaded weapon with the safety off, Trayvon Martin is dead,” Savage concluded. “Therefore, the responsibility is in the hands of Zimmerman.”

no he doesn't...


"SAFETY
To achieve highest operator safety, combined with ease of handling, the pistol is
"DOUBLEACTION ONLY". It has no manual safety and the hammer is never
fully cocked."

Crackerhead said what? Do you just make stuff up now?

The exact law is called "Justifiable Use Of Force".

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&U RL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

It blows my mind that anyone would want someone like Zimmerman on their Neighborhood Watch. On face of it all Zimmerman seems like a nice guy, and is concerned about his neighborhood. But the reality is Zimmerman has had a restraining order against him, was charged with assaulting a police, and ordered by the court to take anger management classes. How is someone like Zimmerman allowed on the Neighborhood Watch? How is Zimmerman allowed to legally own a gun?

Do you really want someone like Zimmerman armed patrolling your neighborhood? When you have someone who lives a life of restraining orders, assaulting police officers, and anger management problems and you arm him and send him into the night to "protect the citizens" it's only a matter of time before he shoots and kills someone.

Is this all the defense has?

Right wing gun nut buddies of Zimmerman who is profiting from this by writing books and calling him 'Georgie' on the stand swearing without a doubt it was Zimmerman crying for help? Has anyone from the Zimmerman side not profited from this?

No I do not just make stuff up. What in my post are you accusing me of making up?

Really happy this board is full of amateur prosecutors to keep me up to date on all the proceedings of this case.

He shoved an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of his at a bar so the undercover agent...over charged him...with everything he could...as law enforcement always does. To avoid a trial he was allowed to enter an anger management program...pretty much SOP. No convictions.

He broke off an engagement to a girl and she and he filed for and both were granted restraining order.

Most people that knew/know him describe him as a mild mannered person...as a nice guy.

It is apparent that your mind is easily blown.

You said there is no such law when obviously there is.

I consider myself a "mild mannered person". I've never been arrested, never had a restraining order against me, and never had to attend "court ordered anger management classes".

Zimmerman is a wannabe police officer rejected by the police. He's trolling, looking to start shit, and armed. He was on the neighborhood watch and claims he knows everyone, yet no one knew him at all him and he doesn't seem to know the name of the tree streets in his complex.

He got punched in the face and shot and killed someone.

Pigshit...the law is the Justifiable Use Of Force law...not "Stand your ground" law as the media has nick named the law.

Oh richard.....

Your bias .. or ignorance is showing again

You keep saying that you can't believe we would want "someone like Zimmerman on a neighborhood watch" ...

His restraining order was due to a domestic dispute in which BOTH he and his fiancee had restraining orders against each other. You are going to pre judge him based on this? Really?

Consider the following:


1. Domestic violence is 2 to 4 times more common in police families than in the general population. In two separate studies, 40% of police officers self-report that they have used violence against their domestic partners within the last year.

Source 1 Source 2

2. Many of the qualities valued in on-duty police officers can make them dangerous domestic violence offenders. All abusers employ similar methods to control and abuse their intimate partners. Officers however, have skills and tactics not commonly possessed by civilians. Professional training in force, weapons, intimidation, interrogation and surveillance ? along with the cultural climate ? become a dangerous and potentially lethal combination in a domestic situation. Victims face the bias of law enforcement agencies and the legal system, psychological intimidation, and a high lethality risk.

~ Diane Wetendorf All Rights Reserved. (in Domestic Violence by Police Officers. Donald C. Sheehan (ed.) pp 375-382. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Justice


So I guess we shouldn't want police officers on the neighborhood watches either....


3. The Defense Department doesn?t break down pre- and post-deployment figures, but the fact is that rates of domestic violence in the military have been high for years?two to five times higher than among civilians, depending on which DoD study is consulted.


So I guess we shouldn't want retired military on the neighborhood watches either....


You seem to want to be the judge and jury over everyone .. even without having all the facts. That's an odd stance to take for someone in an industry as marginalized as ours.

Yes...at one time...in years past...Zimmerman applied to become a police officer and apparently changed his mind or he probably would have jumped on this...testified by...
state witness Wendy Dorival.


Wendy Dorival, who coordinated the local Neighborhood Watch Program for the Sanford Police Department, thought so highly of Zimmerman that she tried to recruit him to be a “Citizen on Patrol,” in which he would be supplied with a police department issued patrol car and a uniform of sorts. In sharp contrast to the State’s repeated characterization of Zimmerman as a “wannabe” cop who went over the edge in his pursuit, confrontation, and shooting of Martin, Ms. Dorival regretfully stated that Zimmerman had declined the offer.

In addition Professor Scott Pleasant testified that Zimmerman had told him his career goals were to become an attorney and then a State prosecutor.

Notice "attorney then a prosecutor"...so apparently he no longer wanted to be a police officer.

But Zimmerman wasn't in law enforcement. He couldn't even get that far.

But did she investigate his background?

Maybe he declined the offer because he knew his past would come up and he would be rejected.

I added this to my previous post.

In addition Professor Scott Pleasant testified that Zimmerman had told him his career goals were to become an attorney and then a State prosecutor.

Notice "attorney then a prosecutor"...so apparently he no longer wanted to be a police officer.

BTW his one and only application to be a police officer...years ago...was denied only because he had a bad credit rating.

Wow.. after all that, this is your response? :1orglaugh

This clarifies it for me... you must be trolling.

I have to give credit where it's due though .. you are doing it well :thumbsup

I'm not trolling at all. This is just such an open and shut case that it stuns me that people can believe otherwise.

Zimmerman is an overbearing rejected police officer wannabe who mishandled this situation from the very beginning, failed to follow the instructions of the 9/11 operator, then forced a confrontation in which seventeen year old kid punched in the face, he over reacted, and then shot and killed a kid.

The only purpose of certainty is to reinforce ones own ores pre-existing beliefs. New evidence is produced daily.

That is not what he said.

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troll on, Richard, troll on

You are trolling or just dense.

As presented in court he was not a "police officer wannabe"...but instead wanted to be an attorney/prosecutor...and in fact turned down the offer of being a member of the Police Citizen on Patrol program. Zimmerman clearly is not overbearing according to all testimony presented at trial...just the opposite has been testified to...he has been described as a mild mannered...nice guy is the testimony. As presented in court...by multiple police reports... he did not fail to follow the advice/instructions by the 911 operator. As stated in court by the girl that was on the phone with Martin...it was Martin that confronted Zimmerman not the other way around.

Since your bias is well documented, I just have one last question for you. If he is found not guilty by a jury, will you accept that decision or continue to crucify him?

By not guilty...do you mean of 2nd degree murder and manslaughter also. I personally suspect the jury may nail him on manslaughter...and it is my understanding that he can be sentenced to as long as 25 or 30 years...and it would not surprise me if this judge gave him the max or close to it.

I believe that if he is found innocent it will set a very dangerous precedent - If someone punches you in the face you will now legally be able to shoot and kill them.

This was a fist fight, not even close to life threatening.

As presented in court, he applied to be a police officer and was turned down.

Zimmerman is clearly overbearing - instead of reporting a suspicious person to the police, instead of following the directions of the 911 operator, he got out of the car and followed him which resulted in Martin feeling threatened.

He is not "mild mannered" - He had a restraining order against him, he assaulted a police officer, and attended court ordered anger management. That is not mild mannered at all.

Martin may have confronted Zimmerman - But Zimmerman forced the confrontation by following the kid and then getting out of his car to follow him more.

Zimmerman followed the kid, there was a confrontation, Martin acted in self defense, Zimmerman shot him even though his life was not in danger.

That is not his defense and no there will not be a precedent set that one can kill someone that punches them.

His defense has nothing to do with being punched or beaten or his injuries. His defense is that Martin saw and then went for his gun and he beat Martin to it.