know the definition of second degree murder?

I posted it on page 10 dipshit along with some of the legal tests, definitions and legal commentary.

Tell whoever is reading and typing for you to find it.

Sure thing. We are posting up direct quotes from the trial and entire videos....

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worlds a confusing place, eh?

No you are not.

911 told him not to follow. This is standard procedure. The reason why is because they don't civilians playing police officer. And the reason why they don't want armed civilians playing police officer is because they they don't know what they are doing and they shot and kill innocent kids after being punched in the face.

Your usual bullshit.. Because you got nothing and when you actually try to talk about something., you either get owned immediately or own yourself....

Or was that your own retarded way of discussing the "depraved mind" requirement and its application to this case and whether or not the evidence presented satisfies that requirement in the mind of the judge and jury?

Yes. The law is ridiculous. When it was created most people had in mind situations where someone is the victim of a home invasion or carjacking. Most people did not foresee this type of situation in a public place where a series of misunderstanding and mutual fear can lead to someone getting shot dead.

I live in an area which isn't the greatest and it's somewhat touristy so sometimes you get drunk people around who are complete strangers. There is a store right across the street and sometimes at night I will walk to the store. Sometimes, unfortunately, I encounter some shifty individuals between my home and the store. I remember once there was one guy who was clearly on something. I was armed. I keep my hand on my weapon and have it ready to go whenever I feel threatened. He came towards me and started mumbling something. I perceived him as a threat so I yelled at him to back away and not come any closer. Had he came closer I would have been ready to defend myself one way or another. I probably would have at least took out my weapon and I possibly would have used it depending on the situation such as if he tried to grab me, swing at me, pulled a knife, etc. That's just how it is. There are gray areas. You don't want to lose control of the situation and allowing someone like that to get in close range would have been a mistake which arguably could have been fatal for me if he was a bad person up to no good.

He was probably just a drunk bum asking me for a quarter and he probably wanted to shake my hand in order to increase the odds that I would give it to him. But how did I know that? I used my wits and instead of pulling out a firearm and blowing him away I first demanded that he step back and stay away. He did so and apologized. Great. But just as easily he could have been too messed up and it may have ended differently. If I shot him and it was all just a misunderstanding where he was unarmed and with no criminal record I would have been ready to take personal responsibility for that. It was my choice. I made the wrong call and I overreacted.

You have to protect yourself but you can't be stupid either and if you are you should pay the price. Zimmerman was being stupid and a kid is dead for it. Even if that kid was being a bit stupid himself. There needs to be a price. There needs to be a deterrent to blowing people away every time you feel threatened or you get in a questionable position. This isn't Texas in 1834.

That's not what was said - that's your interpretation of what was said. Once again - that evidence was heard, the testimony was given, that witness was cross examined and NO ONE has given this supposed fact, the weight that you are.

if it's a second degree murder charge, intent has nothing to do with it.

but you know this, cause of all the legal mumbo jumbo you posted

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Zimmerman himself said on the video that he was told not to follow.

911 might not have the authority to tell you jack shit, but when you don't listen to them... Well, you take matters into your hands.

This is what happens when you send armed cilivians with a chip on their shoulders to do a police officer's job.

Nicely said.

Just imagine if someone got shot and killed every time a punch was thrown.

I didn't say it did you fucking moron. In fact, I referenced the relevant part which is establishing he is of depraved mind.

Before you do your usual cop out of cutting and pasting what I said out of context in your usual tactic of misdirection in the absence of anything intelligent to say, you re-read what I said and attempt to understand the context in which the word "intent" was used. It was not used in reference to the charge, it
Was used in reference to a conversation.

Not sure how it could have all been spelled out so clearly and you are still to fucking stupid to understand what was said

can't decide..

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Typical you. You can't talk without looking stupid so you rightfully avoid saying anything at all, if and when you can.

Honestly, I don't blame you.

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dude im running out of laughing gifs..

the charge is second degree murder. no 'intent' necessary.

insults might work in the cave you're from, but for the rest of the world..

I don't think Zimmerman had any bad intent that night. He was overzealous and mishandled the event from the beginning. He only wanted to protect his neighborhood. But he got in way over his head.

Knew you couldn't resist. Holy shit, I called it... You then did it. You are such a simpleton. Out of context quote.

Once again you dumb fucking dildo, I was talking to Rochard about his state of mind,, not taking about the legal tests for 2nd degree murder in the state of Florida. Not too shocking that once again you have zero ability to understand simple facts.

That's twice I've had to explain it to you in addition to pointing you to a post where I posted the tests to be satisfied and highlighted the relevant parts.

I don't know that I can domore than that to help you understand something so simple.

Tell your caretaker to loosen the chin strap on your helmet. It seems to be choking your brain off for oxygen.

I am not sure what he wanted. The idea/suggestion that he only wanted to 'protect his neighbourhood', seems bizarre, considering how it turned out.

However, it's fairly obvious that there was no premeditation

was she blonde?

I think we agree far more than we disagree.

My personal interest is 1) he was tried and found guilty in the media from day 1. I mean media outlets were doctoring the 911 call to make it sound like something it wasn't (CNN).... race became a huge component - causing a massive outrage even though it plays no demonstrable role and so on. 2) after that conviction in the media, no amount of facts or evidence seems to sway anyones opinion. This is basically a local news story that should have never got national attention. If it was two black guys, we'd never know it happened.

As i said from the start,... what seems to be the simple truth is that two low rent assholes collided in the night and someone got shot. Nothing makes that ok. It's not ok that someone died. Its not a good thing. But the very fact that someone got shot does not automatically mean that only one party has blood on his hands and bears 100% of the responsibility for how events unfolded and came to that final moment. I don't see how either party is innocent. However, I don't see how Zimmerman is guilty of second degree murder under Florida statutes and obviously, i'm not an attorney... so i was curious to see the facts, the witness testimony see how the case was going to be made. Seems very odd they didn't go after him for manslaughter.

It all became more interesting to me recently as the prosecution fucked it up from the opening remarks and then seemed only to slide downhill from there.

I was listening to attorney Mark Geragos,. and he is probably right in that there is a strong possibility the prosecution is not going all out because they just want the appearance of trying Zimmerman and the fact is that Zimmerman is only being tried for murder, cause of the public outcry, the involvement of the governor etc... not because of the facts. The police and DA initially had no plans to charge him with anything at all and found his story credible and consistent with the facts.

brunette.

Interesting that you can wake up every day and make being a failure a full time ambition. I'd make fun of you for it... but quite frankly, you do it perfectly and I can at least admire your dedication to such flawless execution.

Tell us what happened Richard

Who did it?

What was it exactly?

What happened to you that made you feel so incredibly small and useless?

What destroyed your confidence and self esteem?

What made you feel so weak, that you dedicate 18 hrs a day to snarky, snide one liner bullshit to attempt to build yourself up and keep yourself from feeling so small?

It's usually 1 or more of the following:

1) Physical abuse
2) Emotional abuse
3) Sexual abuse

Care to share? Lets help you get well again and help you find some sort of happiness in life that doesn't involve a dysfunctional, incessant bashing of the USA or constantly taking the losing side of any and every argument that happens on this forum, without actually articulating a point.

You said something very telling earlier... That i feel like i'm better than everyone. You indicated that was your motivation. The interesting thing is that you would not pick up on that unless you felt like you were worse than everyone. In other words, someone with high self esteem would not notice that. Rochard for example, will not lose a minutes sleep over me, what i say or even what insults go back and forth because he is secure with who he is and confident. You on the other hand,... not so much.

So what happened to you?

What happened in your life/childhood that made you feel so weak and tiny?

strawberry blonde!

actually, i apologize. back to your thread.

Race never played an issue in this from my point of view.

The main issue for me is that Zimmerman's wounds were not life threatening. This was a fist fight where the guy on the loosing end shot and killed someone.

it has nothing to do with wounds. If I point a gun at you, are you in fear of your life? Even though at that point you have received no wound?

ps can't believe I'm actually falling for your trolling and repeatedly pointing this out, I'm an idiot sometimes that's for damn sure - well played :2 cents:

I'm not trolling, I'm debating. There's a difference.

There is also a huge difference between someone pointing a gun at you and someone punching you in the lips. The threat of a gun instantly implies deadly force. Someone punching me in the face does not.

I don't take any of this seriously. It's debating on a message board.

A total stranger is on top of you, hitting you in the face, and during this fight, regardless of who started it, you know for sure this guy isn't a madman who is going to stop? In amongst all your bodies' physiological and biochemical reactions?

Damn, that training down at the marines is some hot shit :winkwink:

The most sane and rational in this thread:

In no particular order, baddog, TheSquealer, L-Pink.

The most delusional, a distant second, tony286, and a dominating first, Rochard. I've actually had to reevaluate some of my opinions after reading some of the posts by the posters' showing poor reasoning abilities.

The Next Blow could of been deadly.. I will not wait for that..

I think the major factor is whether or not the jury believes GZ's claim that during the fight his shirt came up, Martin saw and started going for his gun and threatened to kill him. Everything else is pretty meaningless if you ask me.

I also believe that Murder 2 should have never been on the table, and the prosecution has done a pretty good job thus far at proving why. The major issue here though is the public outcry from the black community wouldn't have accepted a lesser charge of Manslaughter -- or at best imho Involuntary Manslaughter -- so they had to run with a charge they had no chance of convicting just so they could appease a bunch of dumb ass morons.

At the end of the day, I guess no justice is better than "less" justice. And of course, once GZ walks, those same morons will throw a hissy fit and start doing a bunch of dumb shit...

No acquittal - but little to no chance of a guilty verdict by the jury.

The day which was to be the prosecutions strongest day was weak as per usual.

No evidence of the prosecution contradicts the claims of the defense or shoots down any reasonable hypothesis of the defense. No proof Zimmerman engaged and or re-engaged Martin or was the initial aggressor. Nothing proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

The closing arguments of the defense sums it all up quite well. No proven racial motive, iill will, spite or hatred etc. even the FBI concluded that in its investigation and that's a requirement for 2nd degree murder in fl.

Defense has a second chance to argue for acquittal later as well.

Yikes! The uncle. That's gonna sting the prosecution a bit

Wonder if they will find him Guilty, just to not have Riots?????

I seriously doubt that's a factor

I find that part very difficult to believe along with some other aspects of Zimmerman's story. But like I said I do believe he was probably acting in self defense or he thought he was. If I were on the jury I would give serious consideration to convicting him just because I believe he is lying. I know it's nto supposed to work that way but unfortunately I don't think they give many other options other than that and acquittal.

I'm not sure which is worse. Convicting the guy for something he didn't technically do or letting him off completely when he likely slandered a dead child just to save his own ass.

It would have been so much better if he would have cut the bullshit, told the full truth and basically admitted, "Yeah I messed up. I was too overzealous. I thought he was a criminal. But I really did shoot him in self defense. Put me in jail for a few years but don't put me on Death Row. I'm sorry this happened and I apologize to his family but he could have acted differently himself."

Toxicology report of Martin will not be admitted.

The medical examiner was definitely a weird part

That says a lot. If he had nothing in his system why not allow it.
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