I listened to the whole thing. I listened to it played in court.

I posted it here if you want clarity.

Clearly you didn't listen to the call or watch the video of the 911 operator being cross examined as they broke the entire call down... being that the 911 operator is a male not a "she".

He called police 46 times to report suspicious people and/or activity. He was calling police that night. He was guiding police to Martin. All well established facts.

dispatch: are you following him? zimmerman: yes dispatch: ok we don't need you to do that.

it should be open and shut case but this country they let people weasel around justice.

My sudden interest in this case is that as someone who never watches the news, is that I was completely stunned to hear soundbites of the prosecution calling witnesses that only hurt his case.

Then i started checking the facts and it seems no one even knows the facts or cares. Everyone has such a twisted version of what happened that its unreal. If you want to know what happened... all you have to do is listen to the 911 call and you hear a guy, calmly, professionally talking to 911 and guiding police to a guy who looks and is acting suspicious.

After following him to make sure he didn't hop a fence and disappear and evade police, Zimmerman claims Martin approached him (upset about being followed - but that doesn't make Zimmerman wrong for doing so - doesn't make Martin wrong for being upset),... what happened next and how Martin chose to deal with it is what defines the case. Martin approached him, punched him, knocked him to the ground and beat his head against he sidewalk as Zimmerman yelled for help. Zimmerman pulled out his gun and shot Martin. All of these facts are well supported with evidence and eye witness testimony.

Zimmerman will walk. There are no facts that support any other outcome.

I know english is not your first language.. let me translate. "We do not need you to do that" is not an order to do something. Its the operating stating his preference. Furthermore, even if the operator gave him a command or order, its 100% irrelevant and carries zero weight.

Why was Zimmerman following him? He was guiding police - who were already dispatched to his location. Thats also quite clear in the 911 call.

Too bad the law and evidence do not support your insane, lynch mob views. Otherwise, you could see two lives destroyed, instead of one so you feel better.
:2 cents:

That one group hates facts. Especially when they come to crime, rape, murder, IQ etc :1orglaugh

your full of shit just like zimmerman :2 cents: later let the police do their job! zimmerman sounded like he had pills or drinks or both. :1orglaugh did you hear the weird shit he was saying?

Just not worth it. They have an agenda & nothing you say .. no logic .. no facts will influence their minds.

I would be happy to address facts as i've been doing. Declaring me to be "full of shit" does not change any of the facts of the case or the chain of events. As i've said, i've listened to the 911 call as it was played in court and with the 911 dispatcher being cross examined. Its pretty clear you didn't even make it that far being you thought the 911 dispatcher was a female.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your racism. Carry on.

Definitely debate captain material.

And you are basing these facts on . . . .?
Mind directing me to the time of the recording so we can hear what you are talking about?

Based on what?

Well, it wasn't a black girl who just got a case to the supreme court claiming she didn't
get into college because of her race.

:1orglaugh


PS : You aren't stating facts, just your ignorant fucking opinion.

he followed and killed someone that was fleeing. listen to the 911 tape. what's crazy is he was killed where he was living.

read this baddog http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ains-zimmerman :2 cents: :2 cents:

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and I will take court testimony over a newspaper article, especially considering how many reporters lost their jobs because of bullshit reporting.

If George Zimmerman didn't break every rule in the book when it comes to Neighborhood Watch programs, he came close.

Zimmerman called Sanford police on Feb. 26, a rainy Sunday evening, to report a suspicious person inside his neighborhood near Seminole Towne Center.

We don't know everything that happened in the 13 minutes that passed between the time Zimmerman, 28, called police and a paramedic pronounced 17-year-old Trayvon Martin dead.

But this much isn't in dispute: Zimmerman was armed. He was alone. And while waiting for police, he somehow got into a fight with the person he thought suspicious.

All three of those actions are strongly discouraged by the National Sheriffs' Association, which oversees about 20,000 Neighborhood Watch programs.

There are practical reasons for those rules.

And this absolutely heart-wrenching one: A family of a teenager is now coping with a death that probably could have been avoided.

"There is no reason in the world to carry a gun for Neighborhood Watch," said Chris Tutko, a retired police chief who now directs Neighborhood Watch for the sheriffs' association. "It gets people more into trouble than out of it."

A manual published by the association for its "USAonWatch" program makes that very clear.

"It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles," the manual states. "Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."

Zimmerman is reportedly the self-appointed leader for the group at his complex of town homes. A sign at the gated entrance warns it is surveilled by Neighborhood Watch, and says, "We report all suspicious persons and activities to the Sanford Police Department."

That's a prudent step for any neighborhood. In fact, Neighborhood Watches are popular in Central Florida. In Orlando alone, there are 905 block captains listed with Orlando police.

Some groups are highly organized and walk their neighborhoods in scheduled patrols. More often, though, neighbors just get acquainted with one another, exchange phone numbers and learn to report anything out of the ordinary that they notice as they move through life's predictable moments: taking out the garbage, walking the dog or getting the mail.

Even the basis for Zimmerman's initial phone call is questionable.

Here's why: The sheriffs' association manual lists the type of suspicious activity that should be reported to police. Among the examples: "Someone peering into car windows" and "broken doors or windows."

Nowhere does it list walking while black, which is all Trayvon appeared to be doing as he made his way back to the house of his dad's fiancée after a candy run to 7-Eleven. Trayvon was armed only with a package of Skittles in his pocket.

At least one neighbor told the Sentinel that young black men were suspected in recent neighborhood crimes. Yet nothing — so far, at least — suggests that Zimmerman had reason to think Trayvon was committing a crime.

We don't know exactly what happened next, but at some point the two fought. Zimmerman was bleeding by the time police arrived, and Trayvon was lying facedown dead in the grass.

Zimmerman told police the shooting happened in self-defense. The Seminole County state attorney is investigating whether the killing was justified.

It doesn't take much investigating, though, to see that if some basic, common-sense rules of Neighborhood Watch had been followed, it's likely none of this would have happened.


for some reason the filter is erasing the url if you want the article leave your email here
articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-14/news/os-trayvon-martin-beth-hahahahahaha-031512-20120314_1_orlando-police-block-captains-zimmerman

I guess listening to admissible evidence is outside your skill set. You would rather believe hearsay.

Great, so you have two people defending themselves - an armed man who stalked and then chased a teenager. The teen - Martin - was doing nothing wrong. A older, armed man stalked him, followed him, then physically fucking ran after him. It wasn't Zimmerman defending himself; It was Zimmerman who started it and the kid was defending himself.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19692336) You are confusing the shooting with everything else. Pulling out a gun and shooting Martin doesn't have to be related to anything else other than exactly what was happening at the exact moment the gun was fired.

I'm not confusing the shooting with anything.

The kid had done nothing wrong, was followed and stalked by an older armed man so Martin did what any kid would do - he fled. He ran. And Zimmerman chased him. Take and the shooting out of this, and you have older armed man chasing a kid for no fucking reason.

He wasn't doing his job. He was running an errand, and saw Martin. He wasn't "on watch" or "on duty"; He was an armed civilian. He should have called the police and let them handle it. Instead, we have an armed civilian chasing down an innocent kid and killing him.

Zimmerman called 911 and followed him. Chances are Zimmerman had already been following him for a few minutes before calling 911. The kid notices a older man following him and fled.

The kid ran. Zimmerman said "He's running". Zimmerman was chasing him.

You said "who needs facts when we have the 911 call". Great - Zimmer called 911, followed the kid, and then chased him when he ran.

I'm not twisting facts at all. It's in the 911 call. He followed him, then he chased him, even though he was told by 911 not to.

You can argue he was acting in self defense all you want. He followed the kid, he chased the kid, and when he caught up to the kid he got his ass whopped. Martin was acting in self defense too. An older armed man was following him and when Martin ran, the older armed man chased him.

He wasn't doing his job. He was not a police officer. If anything, he only should have called police and then walked away - not chase an unarmed innocent kid and kill him for reason.

A teenager went to the store to buy skittles and was followed and chased by an older armed man who shot the teen dead. There is no two ways about it.

Amazing how you are able to know all the facts without being there or bothering to listen to the trial. You are wasting your skills in adult. :2 cents:

we're not in a fucking court :1orglaugh

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...CALLY-INVOLVED

you cant teach a old dog new tricks :2 cents:

Why do you have to be childish and insulting?

An armed man chased a kid for no reason other than he looked suspicious. He chased him, ran after him, and when confronted he shot and killed him. I don't care who started the fist fight, I don't care who was winning, I don't care who got their ass whipped. Martin was acting in self defense when someone chased him for no reason. Zimmerman's life was never in danger; At the most he had a single cut and maybe a broken nose.

Imagine if you sent your kid to the store and he (she) was shot dead by someone for no fucking reason at all. One moment you kid is walking home form the store, the next minute they are being chased, and the next minute they are dead.

And you base these "facts" on what?

way I see it (so hold on to your hats, because I'm obviously right), is the black kid was acting in self-defence initially, and had every right to kill, if necessary, an armed stranger.

It then turned, and the latino defendant bloke was in fear of *his* life, so then in turn shot the black dude in self-defence.

Both parties were genuinely acting in self-defence, at that time, as stipulated by their respective physiology.

A tricky one, but Judge Jel rules hispaniwhitey not guilty of murder. Completely guilty of being a fucking idiot waste of space who created an unnecessary event, but that, imo, isn't murder. Manslaughter (which I think is the equivalent of murder 2 in americaland?) in my book.

Court adjourned. I mean closed. Whatever the right terminology is.

id be on deathrow :2 cents:

Jewish people are so special they had to create their own special word for racism directed at them.

In the US blacks play the race card far too much and are usually far more racist themselves than the average white person.

Mean while it seems whites in Europe and playing the race card quite a lot these days.

Then you have the whole Latino thing in the US..

Blacks are certainly not the only ones.

doesnt mean 2 shits talking it out so im done :thumbsup

You sure like to state a lot of things as fact, when there is no evidence or witnesses to back up your beliefs. Using things like "ran after", "chased after" him.

He may have ran after him, but there is no evidence to support that. He may have started it, but again no evidence that it happened that way.

You act like you were right there in the thick of the action, and know exactly what happened! You better call the D.A soon, as this case is going to need you badly!

Jesus fucking Christ, the fucking 911 says it all.

This is my point. I don't care about race, who is black or who is Hispanic. If this was my daughter walking home from the store, minding her own business, and was chased down by an overzealous self appointed ARMED block captain of a community watch program.... and shot and killed... I would be sitting on death row too.

It's possible that both of them were acting in self defense. However, Zimmerman was armed AND chased this kid down.

:thumbsup :thumbsup im waiting for my jamaican hot chocolate pepper plants. my buckets are ready my soil it will calm me down :)

Right, so manslaughter. He created an event that led to the death of someone, without that being his initial intent :2 cents:

Not guilty.

well when he said "they always get away with it" i think it switch from manslaughter. im no lawyer so i really dont know which way it will go. I suspect they will just let him slide. some people will be killed in random areas some things burned and life will move on.

I don't think they will be able to hold a murder charge on him for what led up to the shooting. It only matters if he shot in self defense at that moment.

At least that's my internet lawyer thoughts.

IMO he will be found innocent of murder in this criminal case, but I bet he would be guilty in a civil lawsuit.

One thing is certain and that is the gun caused far more problems than it solved.

when you chase someone that is fleeing how is that self defense? :helpme :Oh crap

Hmm, I can't agree there. I think that's one hell of a huge jump to take it he intended to kill the guy, whether he meant 'black' or 'burglar' or 'criminal' in the context of 'they'. I could no way convict someone of murder over manslaughter on that point - it isn't evidence, it's opinion, and second-guessing when it comes to the clinical business of going by evidence only is a dangerous thing, imho.

Which, really, negates my own statement of even doing the bloke for manslaughter - you absolutely cannot 'prove' genuine self-defence, nor lack of it.

Maybe so, and that's just humans being too fucking stupid to understand that the whole point of civilised trials is to *prove*, beyond a reasonable doubt (any doubt is reasonable, again, imho) absolute guilt. No probablys, no maybes, etc, but 100% rock solid proof :2 cents:

It wasn't, but like he said, *in that moment* it was, regardless that the dumb cunt created that moment in the first place.

Shame that martins (sp) didn't have a CCP or whatever it is, he coulda shot the stupid cunt zimmerman, completely righteously, and there'd be no court case. As it is, zimmerman has created the entire initial and subsequent events, and is, legally correctly, going to walk.