Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19694751)

This is what is stupid about arguing that Martin running around in the dark and rain in a gated community where he was not a resident is no big deal. Just a guy walking around with skittles, making the world a better place. When you're there and you're on the lookout for people breaking into homes (as has happened continuously) and you see someone who looks very out of place - my personal assumption would be that everyone is in danger until proven otherwise. That's not unreasonable in my view.

My gf lives about 3 mins from me in a private gated community - in this community as one example was a once very well known rap producer who's net worth as i just read was thought to be 500 mil at one point. Trust me, if i was a kid that looked out of place, lurking around in the dark and rain - the security there would be on top of me in seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. A good portion of the residents are wealthy indians, pakistanis, arabs, blacks etc. There is a lake inside the community and we often go sit there and security hovers around non stop when we do. They write down my license plate number. They keep track of who is there and what they are doing. Thats what everyone wants. Thats what they are paid to do by the community. To be seen. To have a presence. To let anyone and everyone know they are there and they are watching everything. For me to walk up to the guy and start a fight is hardly justifiable under any circumstance. Particularly when all one has to do is just keep walking home.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19693378)

And you know this how?


You and Rochard really should be in Florida now; the prosecution needs some witnesses that will bolster their case.

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19694447)

Zimmerman had an absolute right to profile Trayvon Martin, whom is a young black male, the demographic that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. Wearing baggy clothes and walking around in late evening just aggravate the situation.

Black culture is toxic and very hindering to all black people, and the fact that blacks embrace it does not make me happy.
Casting out rational people such as Bill Cosby to be pariahs and embracing pinheads such as Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson (who's son is a criminal).

It won't happen, but if black fathers stay and raise their biological children, embrace education, family, community, and rejected black culture traits associated with ghetto rap/lifestyle/thug ; within 2 generations prejudice (toward blacks) would completely evaporate.

Fools will argue nonstop even with straight facts handed to them on a platter, that's how you get a green handle... or red one. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19694922)

They just need to stop having kids for a few hundred years.
Ds

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19694776)

Maybe Zimmerman was escorted down from heaven by an angel to kill the "suspect" armed with candy.

For those who don't understand.. Black kid, night time = suspect for some mentally challenged people in this country.

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19694051)

Yes, I'm completely spineless because I value my life too much to attack someone that I know is armed.

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19694051)

I'm not offering up a timeline because, like you and everyone else, I don't actually know what happened. And I just happen to think that "offering up a timeline" based on nothing but my own opinions, prejudices and fantasies, and based on nothing but speculation and conjecture is quite moronic.

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19694051)

You sure as shit seem to have a lot of free time to come here and try to force your opinions as fact based on nothing but what you want to believe happened (fantasy) though.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19694056)

I have known of two different communities that
I used to go to...from time to time... that had armed security guards patrolling in patrol cars and at the entrance of one of them they had a security gate with an armed security guard...present 24/7...which signed you in and listed who you were visiting.

The watch that I served with had a single patrol car with identification on it and there was always a 12 gauge shotgun in it. Some of us had handguns we carried while on patrol...some did not. We patrolled in pairs and the AO was patrolled 24/7.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19694957)

doesn't matter he was un armed

Originally Posted by theking (Post 19694143)

tony286 and Rochard apparently are not aware of communities outside of their own...as there is nothing unusual about having armed people patrolling communities with different rules/instructions for different communities.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19694751)

This is what is stupid about arguing that Martin running around in the dark and rain in a gated community where he was not a resident is no big deal. Just a guy walking around with skittles, making the world a better place. When you're there and you're on the lookout for people breaking into homes (as has happened continuously) and you see someone who looks very out of place - my personal assumption would be that everyone is in danger until proven otherwise. That's not unreasonable in my view.

My gf lives about 3 mins from me in a private gated community - in this community as one example was a once very well known rap producer who's net worth as i just read was thought to be 500 mil at one point. Trust me, if i was a kid that looked out of place, lurking around in the dark and rain - the security there would be on top of me in seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. A good portion of the residents are wealthy indians, pakistanis, arabs, blacks etc. There is a lake inside the community and we often go sit there and security hovers around non stop when we do. They write down my license plate number. They keep track of who is there and what they are doing. Thats what everyone wants. Thats what they are paid to do by the community. To be seen. To have a presence. To let anyone and everyone know they are there and they are watching everything. For me to walk up to the guy and start a fight is hardly justifiable under any circumstance. Particularly when all one has to do is just keep walking home.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 19694987)

This one was unarmed as well

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...y-cam-beating/

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19695027)

apples and oranges clearly you cant see that.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19694980)

So you are spineless and have no balls. Got it.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19694980)

I am offering up a timeline based one what I can piece together. It's not like this hasn't been on the news for months and it's not like we haven't seen dozens of timelines on the news and online before.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19694980)

I don't have any prejudices at all. I don't care what color or race anyone has; It's not important to me. What is important to me is that I have a child and we have a security force that patrols at night - should I be concerned that my kid will be gunned down because she doesn't look like she lives here?

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19695092)

Throughout this entire debate, you have had a very one sided view, and in every way you present it, Zimmerman is guilty of murder. You have no evidence to actually support this, nor does the prosecution else they wouldn't be doing such a great job of doing the defense' job for them. You present every opinion you have as fact when it is nothing more than speculation and conjecture.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695135)

I do have a one sided view. This is either self defense or murder, and no one has been able to change my mind this. Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695135)

I do have a one sided view. This is either self defense or murder, and no one has been able to change my mind this. Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 19695156)

And yet you continue to ignore the testimony as well. You assume Martin knew he was armed from the get-go, and base the rest of your argument around that. I countered that by asking who would walk up and start a fight with someone that they know is armed, and instead of realizing the logic and probability of my counter, you proceeded to talk about my balls. In real debates, we call personal attacks made as a last resort to win said debate, losing.

And who is to say that the incident didn't happen exactly as GZ said it did; that he only drew his weapon and fired because Martin saw it and threatened his life? You certainly cannot prove that this isn't what happened, nor can anyone else prove that it is what happened. And yet, you continue your entire argument and prejudice around nothing but speculation, conjecture and what you personally want to believe happened.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695177)

I do not ignore any testimony. I am not watching the case on a daily basis - I don't have the kind of free time Baddog has

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695135)

Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19695208)

So ? if I'm caring a gun and am attacked I should wait until I'm really fucked up by my attacker before I use the gun? Wait until I'm fucked up enough to be hospitalized?

Keeping in mind the damage done just recently to xxxjay with one punch, I should wait until how many of those land?

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695245)

That's the problem - at what point does it become life threatening?

Zimmerman said in the police report that he was "out of breath" and "having problems breathing". There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman thought it was life threatening.

If Zimmerman didn't shoot the kid... The fight would have been broken up by witnesses (or the police), Zimmerman might have been hurt, and instead of time in jail and in court fighting for his freedom, he could be a hero and going after the family in court.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19694982)

I honestly do not know much about "neighborhood watches" and I am stunned that they could be armed. Here my town even our "volunteer police" are unarmed. Then again, I live in a town where we have a very low crime rate.

Did you have any special training for this?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695177)

I do not ignore any testimony. I am not watching the case on a daily basis - I don't have the kind of free time Baddog has - and the only testimony I've heard about this is that George Zimmerman's father said Martin saw the gun. I believe I also questioned if Martin saw the gun - was it just "in Zimmerman's waistband" or was it covered by a jacket (It was raining).

You seem focused on this and I'm not sure why; It doesn't matter. If Martin saw the gun or not is pointless; Martin felt threatened enough to run from a man who was obviously following him. Martin felt threatened enough to run all the way back to the only point of safety he knew in the area. Zimmerman followed him all the way.

Zimmerman says he was walking back to his truck, but I haven't heard or seen or read any witness that supports this. Zimmerman claims his head was being bashed into the concrete pavement (yet only has two minor cuts on the back of his head), and again i haven't heard or seen or read any witness statement that supports this.

I think Martin punched him in the face, and then Zimmerman panicked and shot him. If you think otherwise, great - tell me what you think.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695245)

If Zimmerman didn't shoot the kid... The fight would have been broken up by witnesses (or the police)

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19695012)

Sorry, I've never lived in a city like Tarzana California where the robbery rate is four times the national average....

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19694781)

So basically, you're saying the black douchebag deserved to be shot? There's a reason zimmerman should walk, but martins being a lowlife isn't it. To try and justify it by the above is a joke.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695306)

You mean the witnesses that did not come out until they heard a gunshot? Right.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19694781)

So basically, you're saying the black douchebag deserved to be shot? There's a reason zimmerman should walk, but martins being a lowlife isn't it. To try and justify it by the above is a joke.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19695175)

Don't forget, if Zimmerman is not convicted that means he had a racist jury.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19694982)

I honestly do not know much about "neighborhood watches" and I am stunned that they could be armed. Here my town even our "volunteer police" are unarmed. Then again, I live in a town where we have a very low crime rate.

Did you have any special training for this?