you are fucking insane. take your meds and stop harassing people in public.

here's what happened:

19 radical muslims who hate our freedoms, four of whom supposedly flew the planes but couldn't even fly a kite.:1orglaugh They didn't fly planes simultaneously or hijack shit and didn't bat 875. That's would be 7-8.:2 cents: four different airplanes, stood down NORAD, hit three of their four targets, and took down 3 buildings with 2 planes...all while not even being on the flight lists while conspiring with a bearded man in a cave, with no laptop.:1orglaugh

so you try and counteract the facts with a gif of what is clearly a boeing, that anyone who is not mentally ill will see is a plane. There isn't one.:thumbsup

discussing anything with you is as logical as debating string theory with a retard eating ice cream and wetting his pants in the middle of the food court.:1orglaugh You are talking to yourself, you fool.:thumbsup

Looks like an airplane to me.

Could you make it a little bit more fuzzy? Yeah, that would help.

Then post a real plane next to it, if you think so.

My kid can fly a fucking airplane. Does it all the time on Flight Sim. With a small amount of flight training, anyone can fly a plane into a building. Might not be able to land or take off, but anyone can hit a tall building.

NORAD didn't stand down. NORAD didn't even get the call until it was too late.

Did flight 175 circle the towers in its final seconds? Did a 500 mph jet circle the towers before impacting the southeast corner of tower 2? Because that's what much of the fake footage shows.

listen retard, if everyone sees a plane but you, what does that say about your mental state?

Listen retard, the news anchors who saw it live either didn't see it, or mistook for a chopper, and only called it a plane afterward. There's no possibility it could be a plane or chopper.

A complete cock up indeed, China were never meant to get their hands on this. If China get a contract we're told it's bribes and corruption, then ministers are replaced with ones who will give future contracts to Western firms. Chinese firms are clearly unacceptable buyers

"The corruption that is already rampant in the Karzai government could also be amplified by the new wealth, particularly if a handful of well-connected oligarchs, some with personal ties to the president, gain control of the resources. Just last year, Afghanistan’s minister of mines was accused by American officials of accepting a $30 million bribe to award China the rights to develop its copper mine. The minister has since been replaced. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/wo...ewanted=1&_r=1

Who knows... who knows.... ?????



https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2jylj37aA

Lots of oddities. Plenty of coincidences.

Very strange indeed.

Definition of a Conspiracy Theorist = Someone who questions the information presented by confirmed liars.

The mineral deposits weren't discovered until 2007, though, We invaded Afghanistan in 2001. Here's another quote from that same article:

I'm quoting the article that he posted. Either the article is truthful or it isn't. You can't use one piece of it to support your point and dismiss the rest. Besides, China still has the mining contract, the article is irrelevant.

That's the standard MO for these lunatics. Mediaguy completely dismisses most of the NIST report and then later quotes parts of it to back up his crazy theories. It's absolutely amazingly stupid.

You posted a video where the news anchor said "There's police helicopters buzzing around, and, oh, another plane just hit".

Why not?

All of these fuckers had some degree of flight training. It's not difficult to fly a plane - Throttle, joystick, left is left, right is right, forward is down, back is up. Once an airplane is up in the air it's simple.

And when your aiming for the tallest building on the skyline that's over two hundred feet wide...

I worked on the airport ramp for years, thanks for posting all the images of the 767 rracy, it certainly convinced me it was really an actual 767.

when do the hollow earth aliens come into this tho?

yea its very easy.

:1orglaugh

Amazing, just amazing...

Dirty F won't put you on ignore, RRACY. He's having way too much fun in all of this.

Actually i did. Even i have my limits. I like to mess with fools but this guy is just 100% insane. Nothing funny about it anymore. Just annoying as fuck :1orglaugh

That is clearly a plane. You want to see an orb so that's what you see. I would love to see an orb and view a real smoking gun, but it's just a plane flying through and a crappy recording. Nothing more.

I have no doubt two planes hit those towers. WHY they hit them, I don't know. Do I believe Arabs with box cutters could take over multiple jets and with little flight experience fly them into targets... not really. But it doesn't matter what happened, nothing will change even if the truth turns out to be that Bush himself ordered it.

That said, Building 7 and the Pentagon are both worth looking into more. I do not believe the official reports on either of them. I don't have the answer, I just don't believe the reports based on the information I have seen so far. That said, even if it turns out Bush ordered a scud into the Pentagon and blew up building 7 with his bare hands, it wouldn't even matter. Americans are so lost and full of fear, they don't even know how to protest properly. "Peace" won't get them anywhere in today's climate except maced in the face and arrested while they cry "police brutality' for their YouTube video. How's "Occupy FAIL" working out for those pansy asses anyway?

Anyway... back to the point of the post, that's a plane.

Isn't it a little odd that two of the largest nations on earth have both gone to war with this tiny, uneducated, totally undeveloped country that just so happens to be full of resources and supplies something like nine-tenths of the world’s opium?

Probably a coincidence.

The world already knew that Afghan had incredible mineral wealth, the difference is now that the West is back into Afghan they can be more precise as to how much; enabling them to draw up contracts and make bank. It's a bit like if a burglar broke into a billionaires mansion; they might not know exactly what was there, but they'd expect it to be good.

"Geologists have known of the extent of the mineral wealth for over a century, as a result of surveys done by the British and Russians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan

Knowledge of Afghan's wealth of resources even goes back to ancient times

"Since ancient times Afghanistan has been famous as a source of precious and semi-precious stones and above all its lapis lazuli, which has been prized throughout history both for jewellery and as a pigment."
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/about.htm

Different nationalities have been involved, including German, Italian, French and Soviet. They also received assistance from the United Nations (HQ in New York) i.e. it wasn't just secret Soviet knowledge

"A new epoch in the study of Afghanistan's geology and mineral resources began when the Government of Afghanistan inaugurated the National Geological Survey in July 1955. This marked the initiation of systematic surveys of the geology and mineral resources of the country, which continued over the next 25 years. This period was characterised by extensive mapping operations and, subsequently, by geological surveys and prospecting of mineral occurrences and more detailed evaluation of selected prospects. The Afghanistan Geological Survey under the Ministry of Mines and Industries conducted this work in cooperation with German, Italian, French and Soviet geologists. During the first years of the existence of the Geological Survey some assistance was also received from the United Nations organisation."
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/about.htm

In 1979 Afghan became closed to Western Geologists, however by then the geology of Afghan was known in more detail than any other region of the Himalaya.

"Geological investigations were severely curtailed with the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979, when the country effectively became closed to western geologists. Prior to the invasion, the geology of Afghanistan was probably known in more detail than any other region of the Himalaya, but from that time onwards outside interests were suspended and the Afghan geological community became isolated."
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/about.htm

Now that the West once again have control of Afghan, modern concepts and methods are being used. They can now be more precise, doing formal explorations.

"Following the fall of the Taliban regime, the Government of the Transitional Islamic State of Afghanistan, with the assistance of the World Bank, began to formulate a mining sector strategy and policy. Amongst many things, this recognised the need for the rehabilitation and restructuring of the Afghanistan Geological Survey in order for it to perform as a modern geological survey and implement a programme of geological mapping and resource assessment using modern concepts and methods."

Whichever country they want to go to they fund some kind of terror/revolution and use the secret services to set off bombs in mosques, then head off over there to save the day.

"The War on Terror", Genius!

I don't really have any theories.

NIST went with pancaking, then changed their theory because they were called out on it.

NIST said WTC 7 did not fall at the speed of gravity, then changed their theory because they were called out on it - by a high school physics teacher.

NIST corrected their findings unwillingly several other times.

The 9/11 Comission report, and the administration's story, and most outlandishly the NIST report, are theories that go against basic physics, and so should be questioned.

Government and military inaction and the huge amount of coincidences that day, all the pre-9/11 warnings, the shut-down or obstructed investigations into the supposed hijackers before 9/11, the ties to the Saudis that were ignored and overlooked, the disposal of all the proof of what the FBI called a "crime scene", the FBI's own assertion they had no evidence tying Ben Laden to 9/11 and finally the fact that Ben Laden denied being involved multiple times - these are all good reasons to start doubting the official story, and to launch an actual investigation into what happened.

The government is the one with the crazy theories.

Do you think 2 of the largest buildings in the world were designed, in a worst case scenario, to take out all of southern Manhattan by falling on their side?

Phrenology is really pretty interesting if you're into medical quackery. I have a friend who has a bunch of original old charts in frames.

But it DID pancake. Prove that NIST said it didn't.

This is incorrect, and you are over simplifying. You need to take in acceleration, initial velocity, and especially resistance due to air and debris. A dropped object starts its fall quite slowly, but then steadily increases its velocity--accelerates--as time goes on. Galileo showed that (ignoring air resistance) heavy and light objects accelerated at the same constant rate as they fell, that is, their speed (or "velocity") increased at a constant rate. The velocity of a ball dropped from a high place increases each second by a constant amount, usually denoted by the small letter g (for gravity). In modern units (using the convention of algebra, that symbols or numbers standing next to each other are understood to be multiplied) its velocity is

at the start -- 0 (zero)
after 1 second-- g meters/second
after 2 seconds-- 2g meters/second
after 3 seconds-- 3g meters/second

and so on. This is modified by the resistance of the air, which becomes important at higher speeds and usually sets an upper limit ("terminal velocity") to the fall velocity--a much smaller limit for someone using a parachute than one falling without.

The number g is close to 10--more precisely, 9.79 at the equator, 9.83 at the pole, and intermediate values in between--and is known as "the acceleration due to gravity." If the velocity increases by 9.81 m/s each second (a good average value), g is said to equal "9.81 meters per second per second" or in short 9.81 m/s2

There was much more resistance than just air when the colapse occurred but there was much more weight too, and most importantly, the Velocity of the top floors WERE NOT ZERO. When the first floors gave way, their total weight PLUS the velocity that it was falling was more energy than the support of the floor below it was designed to handle, causing it to collapse. Then the TOTAL weight PLUS the now slightly higher veolicty crushed the floor below that, and so on and so on. It doesn't take a physics major to figure this out.


Prove it. Links please!

It is extremely unlikely that NIST, the "National Institute of Standards" would say, write or publish anything that goes against any physics, not just basic physics. Nist is a Physical Measurement Laboratory made up of scientists of all kinds. Whoever said this is truly out of their mind. Do you really think that they would make a mistake like that? Come on.

Stop right there. Coincidences are just that - coincidences. If you really want to find the truth about any thing, any object, any event, you must rule out coincidences. Coincidence is the basis of all nut job conspiracy theorists. A true scientist may use coincidence to follow a path towards discovery but will know when to abandon that path when it leads to a dead end.

Good! Fine! Interesting! I would say that all or most of that is true or at least very interesting but this is a completely different subject. You are saying that all of this is connected with the "Demolition" of WTC. I don't think WTC was demolished at all despite the connections you have pointed out. Did the Saudis do it? Yes. Could Bush have prevented it? Probably. Did "The Government" have a part in it? Unlikely. Did certain people and companies benefit? Absolutely. Was WTC demolished? NoooOOOoooo.. and nothing points to it. All of the puffs of smoke, sounds of "explosions" etc are all confidence, conjecture and caca.



Um... No...

Well that's the whole point of steel frame building construction - they don't topple, they're made of thicker, stronger constituents at the bottom than at the top, and they're embedded so firmly in the ground that even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate.

If a scenario were so cataclysmic as to induce two of the most structurally sound buildings in the world to start collapsing, I don't think the rest of Manhattan would have much of a chance anyway.

Are you saying they had built-in weakness points that would cause them to fall in on themselves in case of a major fire?

Do you mean the "weakness" points were provoked, that the stronger, sounder section below the crash points were removed by means that your statement there would appear to be implying a system was in place that would cut through steel, steel joints and support beams rapidly in order to allow a vertical descent that would prevent worse damage?

:D

No I didn't say any of that, nor am I aware of where you would even get such an impression.

Not true! All tall buildings oscillate. The Taipei 101 Skyscraper for example has a 700 Ton Ball inside it that moves as the building sways due to wind, tremors and other harmonic vibrations, and acts as a damper that absorbs that energy away from the structure of the building itself. This is usually called the "Tuned Mass Damper".

ORB???

hahahahahahahahaha

I admit that I read into it because it was a question.
I guess the answer is: Yes.

If you meant to imply that they were designed to NOT take out all of southern Manhattan in a worst case scenario, then what are you intending? That they were built to collapse straight down right through all that steel support in a worst case scenario?

Like I said, if things were so 2012-bad, and the towers were to collapse, it would be the sinking of Manhattan...


Eh... that's what I said:
:D

It's way more likely that a huge group of people were involved in attacking their country, managed to put bombs all over 2 huge, crowded towers, made sure the bombs would survive the planes entering the building and then were able to detonate the bombs exactly underneath the affected levels right? Way more likely than a group of muslims attacking the country they hate the most and a plane that did that much damage that a building collapsed. Right?

After all your theory sounds way more plausible. Right?

The problem with you dumbass nutjobs is that everything is a conspiracy to you. Even the most simple things you go out of your way to come up with some crazy ass theories and call that the truth. And the most simple solution is always impossible to you imbeciles.
I hate truthers. I really hate them. They are so fucking dumb and ignorant.

When a message is uncomfortable, it is understandable that some will attack the messenger. It is a primitive response, but many other human responses are also primitive. e.g. throwing a bad apple into a bush, trying to smack a wasp that has stung you.

Adults in society are meant to be logical, listen to facts, discuss and conclude. Unfortunately most often this is not the case, they simply react; an offending message is rejected. Internet access is granted to anyone, people write and post primitive reactions on message boards "I hate nutjobs!" they scream. They hate those who provide them with information that makes them feel uncomfortable. These types are human beings, like we all are, it's a human reaction which they cannot control, so we should not hold anything against them.

Here, i'll do it again: you're a fucking imbecile. Not because the message is uncomfortable but because you are a fucking imbecile.