my friend who works for the Rockerfellers said if we get to page 21 he's gonna reveal all.

So stay tuned for page 21 guys. Itll blow your mind.

Please start from the beginning. Tell the whole story in your own words. Feel free to elaborate on any detail, as much as you can. I think I'm starting to believe you.

Please re-read my posts, and tell me where I've failed to reference my statements...

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We are taking planes and skyscrapers, but the differences are huge.

At this point I have no idea what building we are talking about.

Keep in mind that the NIST is doing a lot of guesswork. Being as no one inspected the buildings before it came down, we can only try to piece together what happened by the debris. That's like trying to figure out what happened in a car accident when all you have is six thousand small pieces of metal.

Because there is a huge difference between a building tipping over and a building collapsing. In these cases, the buildings collapsed because at some point the a section of the building was unable to support the weight above it. Once one floor falls, it falls down, and once a floor falls all of the floors above it come down too.

How can you not see this?

Call it whatever you want. I've never seen the word "softened" used in this context by the NIST. Either way it was weakened. If you put a five hundred ton load on a steel beam and subject it to six hundred degrees for an hour, guess what - It's gonna be weakened.

Yes.

However, designing with a certain goal in mind and being correct using 1960s technology is two different things. My car is designed so I would survive a collision at a certain speed. However, if my car explodes, all bets are off.

With the WTC towers, yes, the building was designed so that it could survive a fire. However, it was not design to withstand a fire that was started by ten thousand gallons of jet fuel. It was also not designed to withstand a fire after an impact.

Your right - normal building debris would not burn for weeks.

But nothing here was normal. This was not a "building" - it was one of the world's tallest skyscrapers.. Two of them in fact.

Again, you completely fail to understand what the WTC complex was. Don't think of as a building; Think of it as a city. You have to understand that they underground tanks of diesel to run back up generators; They portions of entire floors in the towers dedicated to backup batteries full of acid. There was six hundred automobiles in the complex when this happened, as well as an entire subway station. The amount of shit that caught fire and burned for weeks must have been stunning.

Where do you get that took out anything? The pipes here connected to the outside of the buildings, where window washers could access it. They hooked up their tubes to connections on the outside of the buildings. It became the greatest week point, and when that fluid was forced out, it came out at the weakest point.

No, it doesn't. It shows air and other fluids being compressed out of a building.

The only reason you think this is because the only videos you've seen of buildings collapsing were intentionally done. This looks similar. Doesn't mean it's the same.

No. Stop making shit up. Steel melts at about 2500f. But it's weakened at at less than half that. The estimated temperature of the fires in the WTC was 1340f - more than enough to weaken it.

Where do you think they used Thermite?

http://www.nuclear-demolition.com/im...er_columns.jpg

Clearly, this is not a pizza. The Italian government would like to make us believe it is a pizza. However, the Italian government is controlled by Israel, who ate trying to build a pipeline from NYC to Israel to transport mozilla cheese.

That's not molten cheese we see, but instead calcium based cheese substitute that could not possibly exist an a real pizza... The cheese in the background is not the kind of cheese used to make a pizza, and the pepperonis looks like they were engineered in a lab.

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Google "thermite smoking gun". This was huge of the 9/11 Truth groups.

Both towers were built using thermite. Anyone who researches thermate for sixty seconds on Wikipedia knows this. It's common sense that thermite was found in the debris.

So they only found trace elements of explosives, not enough to alarm anyone, but you still think the towers were intentionally taken down by explosives?



Where they looking for thermite, because they managed to find that. Why would they be looking for thermite and not general explosives?

Didn't they just do general chemical analysis?

No. Your on crack.

Thermite was obviously used to build the WTC towers. Themite is used in welding large pieces together - such as steel beams!

Your saying they should have done a special investigation into the fact that they found thermite, and I'm telling you that they used Thermite to build the building and on repairs since then.

In fact, somewhere on site there must have been a huge bag of the stuff in the event they needed it.

At this point this thread might be longer than the original 9/11 thread.

Ya think?

Actually multiple inpections by different bodies were conducted prior to the 9/11 disaster. There were fireproofing upgrades, elevator system upgrades, and other renovations going on.
We can't piece together anything because the debris was shipped off, the evidence was destroyed.
When any plane crash or other disaster (think Lockerbie) involving airframes occur, they literally put the plane back together piece by piece to reconstruct what happened. They also use the black boxes of course, but these were also not used because for the first time in history they weren't found.
The building materials would have helped a building performance investigation, but FEMA weren't allowed to claim any materials - which were trucked away from the scene under guard.

In one case you had 70% of the building being pile-driven to dust and sectioned by the top 20%.

In the other you have 80 to 90% of the structure being crushed by a top section of 10% the building mass.

In both you have a complete violation of physical principles.

If your steel beam is structured to withstand the load, no. And it would take more than 600 degrees (F) more than one hour to weaken the beam.

By NIST's account about 7000 gallons were distributed unignited within either building, give or take. The rest exploded on impact or outside the building.
The buildings were designed to withstand both impacts and fires, and both were taken into consideration by the designers of the buildings.

These facts don't exempt the buildings from the laws of physics, no matter how big they are, and nothing in any normal or abnormal fire, inferno, conflagration could create molten steel in such amounts and foundry conditions that it would take weeks and months for it to cool.

The gennies and diesel they held were dismissed as any factor. NIST even stated that in the worst case scenario this fuel igniting, exploding and burning wouldn't have created enough heat to weaken the structure.

"must have" and did are two different things. UPS battery acid won't weaken steel or burn for weeks, and I don't care how many cars you count they won't have been turned to liquid by a burning building collapsing on them, a collapse which in fact would have snuffed out most fires within the structure as it fell.

And blew steel columns and aluminum cladding to pieces, and concrete to dust??

No, I'm talking about actual WTC tower destruction video.

I don't know where you get your figures but it's not from NIST or FEMA.
And steel takes hours at the right temperatures to approach the softening or weakening point as well as its melting point - it does not instantly convert once those temperatures are reached.

As I said, I don't know that it was used in the construction of WTC. And I don't think that thirty or forty years later it would be in the pulverized concrete of the destruction - at least, not unexploded thermite and military grade thermate; I'm sure different thermite is used. But again, it's not established that it was used or stockpiled...

Referenced in the notes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757

Ok.

I did a sixty-second search and didn't find anything. Link me up if you can. "Common Sense" is the weakest of arguments.

Explosives explode. Incendiaries burn. Evidence is usually kept and inspected during the course of an investigation, which wasn't conducted in this case, for whatever reason you care to theorize.

NIST didn't find that. And fire investigation protocols demand that once any unusual events are detected in a building fire, specific accelerants and incendiaries must be looked for. NIST looked for nothing, because there was nothing to look for.

No chemical analysis. They conjectured.

No I'm saying they should have done an investigation, period.

"Somewhere" and "must have" again. There's no evidence of this.

An investigation would have answered many of these questions.

Some reading: http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...stigation.html

You should also look up the NFPA fire and explosives investigation manual to understand that even normal house fires are investigated using process of elimination, even when it's not obvious arson, incendiary, accelerant or explosive evidence is present.

they both entered service at the same time, around 82-83. i hope all of your "research" isn't of this quality.

you know when the wtc towers were built right?

If you read, and follow the references, they specifically mention these 7x7 series planes are lighter than the 707 that came before them, which is one of the planes considered when the buildings were originally conceived.

I'm assuming that's what you were referring to when you asked for a link to my assertion that the older planes were heavier than the more modern ones.

pull a quote for your assertion. can't find anything you are claiming in your sources.

also the towers were built to widthstand planes such as the 707. the 757 was a heavier plane. this is basic shit here.

From Wikipedia:

Thermite may be used for repair by the welding in-place of thick steel sections such as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location.

Thermite can be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment. However, defects such as slag inclusions and voids (holes) are often present in such welded junctions and great care is needed to operate the process successfully. Care must also be taken to ensure that the rails remain straight, without resulting in dipped joints, which can cause wear on high speed and heavy axle load lines.

Copper thermite is used for welding together thick copper wires for the purpose of electrical connections. It is used extensively by the electrical utilities and telecommunications industries (exothermic welded connections).


Now on top of this, we find out that it's used by "electrical utilities and telecommunications industries". How many mires of electrical wires and telecommunications cables was in the towers, keeping mind this is a city of fifty thousand people?

You keep doing this - pretending that it's impossible to find a certain chemical but the truth is these chemicals are pretty common.

Now your getting into nonsense. They should have kept evidence. Um, where? Where in the world are they going to keep billions and billions of tons of evidence?

Your also saying that "investigation protecols demand" that they look for accelerants, etc... And I disagree with you. When you have it on video tape that a plane with ten thousand gallons of jet fuel rams into a building, I'm guessing they knew the cause the fires without having to guess. I'm just saying.

also take a look at the so-called sources for these thermite claims as well. as with most of the 9/11 conspiracy "evidence" the original sources of information are heavily edited, distorted and so on. google thermite debunking, criticism.

Israel was very much involved in 911. The board zionazi's are happy to keep us arguing about thermite, flight times, and george bush for another 10 years while Israel is planning the next attack.

5 Isareli's were arrested on 911.. and sent home by fellow tribesman, Michael Chertoff. Silversteen, Zakheim, Zelikow, Pearle, Feithe, Wolfawitz, Wormsur (sp?)... just a small list.

Well of course. The Jews are behind two out of every three conspiracy theories out there.

What in the would would Israel have to gain by the US invading Afghanistan? A pipeline? Security? Peace in the middle east? Ten years later, and nothing in the middle east has changed for Israel.

Don't get me wrong here. Israel is not a nation of angels. It's not like they haven't directly attacked the US with provocation and without warning. But it seems to me they had nothing to gain and everything to loose by doing this.

My friend who is a Rothschild said not to worry, they'll have your friend taken care of before page 21. :winkwink:

Looks like Iran is surrounded to me.

Please read "A clean break" put out by an Israeli think tank before 911. Everything is going according to plan, from the ouster of Saddam to the destablizing of syria.

Israel's goal is to expand its borders, they can't do it by themselves with all these crazy arabs around.

Company that shipped the all the evidence to china.. jewish owned.. building owner.. jewish... head of homeland security.. jewish... company that let the "hijackers" on the planes.. Israeli owned. 5 israeli's arrested on 911, owner of the company they worked for (urban moving systems) fled to israel before the feds got him... no news coverage...

Hey it was the arabs! Everything else is a conspiracy theory!(retard emote)

Yay! 1,000 Conspiracy Posts!

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whole lotta crazy in this thread.

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The truther:

Muslimterrorists who hijacked a plane? Impossible!
A tower that went down because a massive plane full of fuel flew into it? Impossible.

A conspiracy where a government places bombs in their own towers without anyone seeing it, blowing up 2 towers for God knows what reason, killing 3000 of it's own people, fake the terrorists, remote control planes, make a few planes with people dissapear, having 1000's of people involved without anyone coming forward? Sure, no problem. Totally plausible.

We all know that muslim terrorists would never do such a thing.

........ orb.

I'm more thinking along the lines of one of these likely suspects :2 cents:

Building 7 has nothing to do with 9/11 or the events of that day, it is blasphemy to talk about it and it never even existed. :winkwink:

Not so much. Seems we are no longer in Iraq.

I've given this a lot of thought, and for a while you have to admit the US was in the perfect place to strike out at Iran. Iran was surrounded. But ten years later later, we've pulled out of Iraq, and Iran is still in power.

Did the Bush administration do 9/11 to push us into Afghanistan, and then created a false reason to invade Iraq? So that we could surround Iran? On paper that sounds like a brilliant move. But in reality... Why would you invade two countries, when your real goal was to attack another country?

This is where the false flag idea looses ground. No one would stage a false flag attack so that the US would attack a worthless country. If the goal was Iran, why not just covertly attack oil tankers in the gulf and lead tracks back to Iran - giving the world a reason to attack.

In an interview with Amy Goodman on March 2, 2007, U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.), explains that the Bush Administration planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran


It's taken a lot longer than planned, expect wars on Lebanon and Iran soon. Most likely Lebanon will be another UN Humanitarian/Regime Change scam, but only after Assad has been overthrown/assassinated in Syria (to free up CIA Proxy Army/Al Qaeda to go to Lebanon). They've created UN controlled South Sudan i.e. the oil region of Sudan. The British are drawing up oil contracts with Somalia, so there's only Lebanon and Iran left from the original list.

Just like those muslim terrorists in the Lavon Affair episode. Oh wait they weren't supposed to get caught. :1orglaugh

is that a Final Fantasy cactuar?

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Seems it was too much for my friend and he decided to take his life by shooting himself 7 times in the head. RIP you brave soul.

Before he died he managed to spit out the words "Jewish Aliens"

I dunno, im scared now.

Advancements in civil aerospace technology, including high-bypass-ratio turbofan engines, new flight deck systems, aerodynamic improvements, and lighter construction materials were to be applied to the 7X7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767

why do people feel it would take 1000's of people to be involved to pull this off as a government conspiracy? however they feel that 19 semi retarded muslims and one bearded rich guy could pull it off with ease?

Are they - jewish aliens - the anal probe type?

They're regurgitating what they've been told by mainstream media propaganda outlets; the propaganda techniques focus on giving people 'beliefs' rather than solid information/science; the same technique used by religions. Thinking it would take 1000's of people is just a belief and is not based on real evidence or data. At the same time the propaganda outlets (like JohnnyClips says) have provided the people with a contradictory belief about how only a few muslims from third world countries would be required to carry out a major attack on the worlds greatest superpower.