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2MuchMark · 03-07-2012, 08:10 PM

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I don't really have any theories.

NIST went with pancaking, then changed their theory because they were called out on it.

But it DID pancake. Prove that NIST said it didn't.

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NIST said WTC 7 did not fall at the speed of gravity, then changed their theory because they were called out on it - by a high school physics teacher.

This is incorrect, and you are over simplifying. You need to take in acceleration, initial velocity, and especially resistance due to air and debris. A dropped object starts its fall quite slowly, but then steadily increases its velocity--accelerates--as time goes on. Galileo showed that (ignoring air resistance) heavy and light objects accelerated at the same constant rate as they fell, that is, their speed (or "velocity") increased at a constant rate. The velocity of a ball dropped from a high place increases each second by a constant amount, usually denoted by the small letter g (for gravity). In modern units (using the convention of algebra, that symbols or numbers standing next to each other are understood to be multiplied) its velocity is

at the start -- 0 (zero)
after 1 second-- g meters/second
after 2 seconds-- 2g meters/second
after 3 seconds-- 3g meters/second

and so on. This is modified by the resistance of the air, which becomes important at higher speeds and usually sets an upper limit ("terminal velocity") to the fall velocity--a much smaller limit for someone using a parachute than one falling without.

The number g is close to 10--more precisely, 9.79 at the equator, 9.83 at the pole, and intermediate values in between--and is known as "the acceleration due to gravity." If the velocity increases by 9.81 m/s each second (a good average value), g is said to equal "9.81 meters per second per second" or in short 9.81 m/s2

There was much more resistance than just air when the colapse occurred but there was much more weight too, and most importantly, the Velocity of the top floors WERE NOT ZERO. When the first floors gave way, their total weight PLUS the velocity that it was falling was more energy than the support of the floor below it was designed to handle, causing it to collapse. Then the TOTAL weight PLUS the now slightly higher veolicty crushed the floor below that, and so on and so on. It doesn't take a physics major to figure this out.

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NIST corrected their findings unwillingly several other times.

Prove it. Links please!

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The 9/11 Comission report, and the administration's story, and most outlandishly the NIST report, are theories that go against basic physics, and so should be questioned.

It is extremely unlikely that NIST, the "National Institute of Standards" would say, write or publish anything that goes against any physics, not just basic physics. Nist is a Physical Measurement Laboratory made up of scientists of all kinds. Whoever said this is truly out of their mind. Do you really think that they would make a mistake like that? Come on.

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Government and military inaction and the huge amount of coincidences that day,...

Stop right there. Coincidences are just that - coincidences. If you really want to find the truth about any thing, any object, any event, you must rule out coincidences. Coincidence is the basis of all nut job conspiracy theorists. A true scientist may use coincidence to follow a path towards discovery but will know when to abandon that path when it leads to a dead end.

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... all the pre-9/11 warnings, the shut-down or obstructed investigations into the supposed hijackers before 9/11, the ties to the Saudis that were ignored and overlooked, the disposal of all the proof of what the FBI called a "crime scene", the FBI's own assertion they had no evidence tying Ben Laden to 9/11 and finally the fact that Ben Laden denied being involved multiple times - these are all good reasons to start doubting the official story, and to launch an actual investigation into what happened.

Good! Fine! Interesting! I would say that all or most of that is true or at least very interesting but this is a completely different subject. You are saying that all of this is connected with the "Demolition" of WTC. I don't think WTC was demolished at all despite the connections you have pointed out. Did the Saudis do it? Yes. Could Bush have prevented it? Probably. Did "The Government" have a part in it? Unlikely. Did certain people and companies benefit? Absolutely. Was WTC demolished? NoooOOOoooo.. and nothing points to it. All of the puffs of smoke, sounds of "explosions" etc are all confidence, conjecture and caca.

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The government is the one with the crazy theories.

Um... No...

MediaGuy · 03-07-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Do you think 2 of the largest buildings in the world were designed, in a worst case scenario, to take out all of southern Manhattan by falling on their side?

Well that's the whole point of steel frame building construction - they don't topple, they're made of thicker, stronger constituents at the bottom than at the top, and they're embedded so firmly in the ground that even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate.

If a scenario were so cataclysmic as to induce two of the most structurally sound buildings in the world to start collapsing, I don't think the rest of Manhattan would have much of a chance anyway.

Are you saying they had built-in weakness points that would cause them to fall in on themselves in case of a major fire?

Do you mean the "weakness" points were provoked, that the stronger, sounder section below the crash points were removed by means that your statement there would appear to be implying a system was in place that would cut through steel, steel joints and support beams rapidly in order to allow a vertical descent that would prevent worse damage?

:D

uno · 03-07-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Well that's the whole point of steel frame building construction - they don't topple, they're made of thicker, stronger constituents at the bottom than at the top, and they're embedded so firmly in the ground that even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate.

If a scenario were so cataclysmic as to induce two of the most structurally sound buildings in the world to start collapsing, I don't think the rest of Manhattan would have much of a chance anyway.

Are you saying they had built-in weakness points that would cause them to fall in on themselves in case of a major fire?

Do you mean the "weakness" points were provoked, that the stronger, sounder section below the crash points were removed by means that your statement there would appear to be implying a system was in place that would cut through steel, steel joints and support beams rapidly in order to allow a vertical descent that would prevent worse damage?

:D

No I didn't say any of that, nor am I aware of where you would even get such an impression.

2MuchMark · 03-07-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Well that's the whole point of steel frame building construction - they don't topple, they're made of thicker, stronger constituents at the bottom than at the top, and they're embedded so firmly in the ground that even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate.
:D

Not true! All tall buildings oscillate. The Taipei 101 Skyscraper for example has a 700 Ton Ball inside it that moves as the building sways due to wind, tremors and other harmonic vibrations, and acts as a damper that absorbs that energy away from the structure of the building itself. This is usually called the "Tuned Mass Damper".

adendreams · 03-07-2012, 08:56 PM

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it's impossible for you to debate against facts, so you ignore them. You can't counteract any of your claims with evidence because you have only fake evidence. You don't acknowledge facts, but move on to a half dozen things that have nothing to do with those facts that you must dodge." that is your method of argumentation as witnessed in this thread.

Of course you can't debate because you are suffering from visual schizophrenic hallucinations. As is proven by your inability to prove that an orb is anything other than an orb.

ORB???

hahahahahahahahaha

MediaGuy · 03-07-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

No I didn't say any of that, nor am I aware of where you would even get such an impression.

I admit that I read into it because it was a question.

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Do you think 2 of the largest buildings in the world were designed, in a worst case scenario, to take out all of southern Manhattan by falling on their side?

I guess the answer is: Yes.

If you meant to imply that they were designed to NOT take out all of southern Manhattan in a worst case scenario, then what are you intending? That they were built to collapse straight down right through all that steel support in a worst case scenario?

Like I said, if things were so 2012-bad, and the towers were to collapse, it would be the sinking of Manhattan...

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Not true! All tall buildings oscillate. The Taipei 101 Skyscraper for example has a 700 Ton Ball inside it that moves as the building sways due to wind, tremors and other harmonic vibrations, and acts as a damper that absorbs that energy away from the structure of the building itself. This is usually called the "Tuned Mass Damper".

Eh... that's what I said:

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even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate

:D

Dirty F · 03-08-2012, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Well that's the whole point of steel frame building construction - they don't topple, they're made of thicker, stronger constituents at the bottom than at the top, and they're embedded so firmly in the ground that even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate.

If a scenario were so cataclysmic as to induce two of the most structurally sound buildings in the world to start collapsing, I don't think the rest of Manhattan would have much of a chance anyway.

Are you saying they had built-in weakness points that would cause them to fall in on themselves in case of a major fire?

Do you mean the "weakness" points were provoked, that the stronger, sounder section below the crash points were removed by means that your statement there would appear to be implying a system was in place that would cut through steel, steel joints and support beams rapidly in order to allow a vertical descent that would prevent worse damage?

:D

It's way more likely that a huge group of people were involved in attacking their country, managed to put bombs all over 2 huge, crowded towers, made sure the bombs would survive the planes entering the building and then were able to detonate the bombs exactly underneath the affected levels right? Way more likely than a group of muslims attacking the country they hate the most and a plane that did that much damage that a building collapsed. Right?

After all your theory sounds way more plausible. Right?

Dirty F · 03-08-2012, 05:37 AM

The problem with you dumbass nutjobs is that everything is a conspiracy to you. Even the most simple things you go out of your way to come up with some crazy ass theories and call that the truth. And the most simple solution is always impossible to you imbeciles.
I hate truthers. I really hate them. They are so fucking dumb and ignorant.

wehateporn · 03-08-2012, 06:06 AM

When a message is uncomfortable, it is understandable that some will attack the messenger. It is a primitive response, but many other human responses are also primitive. e.g. throwing a bad apple into a bush, trying to smack a wasp that has stung you.

Adults in society are meant to be logical, listen to facts, discuss and conclude. Unfortunately most often this is not the case, they simply react; an offending message is rejected. Internet access is granted to anyone, people write and post primitive reactions on message boards "I hate nutjobs!" they scream. They hate those who provide them with information that makes them feel uncomfortable. These types are human beings, like we all are, it's a human reaction which they cannot control, so we should not hold anything against them.

Dirty F · 03-08-2012, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

When a message is uncomfortable, it is understandable that some will attack the messenger. It is a primitive response, but many other human responses are also primitive. e.g. throwing a bad apple into a bush, trying to smack a wasp that has stung you.

Adults in society are meant to be logical, listen to facts, discuss and conclude. Unfortunately most often this is not the case, they simply react; an offending message is rejected. Internet access is granted to anyone, people write and post primitive reactions on message boards "I hate nutjobs!" they scream. They hate those who provide them with information that makes them feel uncomfortable. These types are human beings, like we all are, it's a human reaction which they cannot control, so we should not hold anything against them.

Here, i'll do it again: you're a fucking imbecile. Not because the message is uncomfortable but because you are a fucking imbecile.

xholly · 03-08-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

When a message is uncomfortable, it is understandable that some will attack the messenger. It is a primitive response, but many other human responses are also primitive. e.g. throwing a bad apple into a bush, trying to smack a wasp that has stung you.

Adults in society are meant to be logical, listen to facts, discuss and conclude. Unfortunately most often this is not the case, they simply react; an offending message is rejected. Internet access is granted to anyone, people write and post primitive reactions on message boards "I hate nutjobs!" they scream. They hate those who provide them with information that makes them feel uncomfortable. These types are human beings, like we all are, it's a human reaction which they cannot control, so we should not hold anything against them.

It has more to do with critical thinking and rejecting wild conspiracy claims obviously based on a persons prejudices with no evidence to back it up.

I am a skeptic, Im sceptical of claims of psychic powers, sceptical of the idea of God, skeptical of much of what government and corporate figures say and skeptical of what anti gov conspiracy people say.

Everything has to do with weighing up a situation based on evidence available and making the most obvious assessment, because the simplest and most obvious answer is usually correct (occams razor). Your'e a smart guy wehateporn but I think you misinterpret what actual evidence is.

Im skeptical of everything you say, but if you had real evidence then I'd be forced to accept that.

sperbonzo · 03-08-2012, 07:35 AM

Are you kids still up discussing this? It's a school day tomorrow! For goodness sake, turn off those damn flashlights and GO TO SLEEP ALREADY!!!

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porno jew · 03-08-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

When a message is uncomfortable, it is understandable that some will attack the messenger. It is a primitive response, but many other human responses are also primitive. e.g. throwing a bad apple into a bush, trying to smack a wasp that has stung you.

that's pretty funny. i have shown time and time again i know more about your conspiracy theories than you do. how would that be if i was afraid about them? if they made me feel uncomfortable?

despite your olympian pen, you are just a classic example of the half-educated man, who can read a book but can't look at it critically, who reads not to learn but to embellish you already existing worldview.

RRACY · 03-08-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xholly

It has more to do with critical thinking and rejecting wild conspiracy claims obviously based on a persons prejudices with no evidence to back it up.

I am a skeptic, Im sceptical of claims of psychic powers, sceptical of the idea of God, skeptical of much of what government and corporate figures say and skeptical of what anti gov conspiracy people say.

Everything has to do with weighing up a situation based on evidence available and making the most obvious assessment, because the simplest and most obvious answer is usually correct (occams razor). Your'e a smart guy wehateporn but I think you misinterpret what actual evidence is.

Im skeptical of everything you say, but if you had real evidence then I'd be forced to accept that.

It has more to do with critical thinking and rejecting stupidity and ignorant claims based on media and goverment propaganda.

Everything 911 related has to do with looking at the news footage and ignoring any complicated theories like controlled demo which allow for debate. Evidence derived from video and photographs make the best case for any crime, if it's available, because the simplest and most obvious answer is usually correct (occams razor). They aired a blob on 4 networks and called it a plane.

Rochard · 03-08-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I don't really have any theories.

NIST went with pancaking, then changed their theory because they were called out on it.

NIST said WTC 7 did not fall at the speed of gravity, then changed their theory because they were called out on it - by a high school physics teacher.

NIST corrected their findings unwillingly several other times.

The 9/11 Comission report, and the administration's story, and most outlandishly the NIST report, are theories that go against basic physics, and so should be questioned.

I've never read that the NIST changed it's story on the pancaking concept.

Is it possible the NIST was wrong on a number of things? Of course. Your talking about two very large skyscrapers, and skyscrapers don't get hit by large airplanes and fall down often. Being as we are completely unsure of what happened inside of the towers on that day, there is a huge amount of guess work involved.

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Government and military inaction and the huge amount of coincidences that day, all the pre-9/11 warnings, the shut-down or obstructed investigations into the supposed hijackers before 9/11, the ties to the Saudis that were ignored and overlooked, the disposal of all the proof of what the FBI called a "crime scene", the FBI's own assertion they had no evidence tying Ben Laden to 9/11 and finally the fact that Ben Laden denied being involved multiple times - these are all good reasons to start doubting the official story, and to launch an actual investigation into what happened.

What military inaction are you talking about? By the time the military was informed, it was too late.

The warnings? Sure, the FBI was told that someone was taking flight school but uninterested in landing. I'm guessing it was one of thousands of reports submitted on that same day. At the time of the warning, it was pretty much irrelevant - The US at that time didn't have a hijacking in decades, and the idea of flying planes into buildings wasn't even something anyone had thought of. There are warnings every day, and we try to weed through them. But you can only do so much.

RRACY · 03-08-2012, 09:18 AM

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ORB???

hahahahahahahahaha

black plane images with no windows...

hahahahahahahahaha

RRACY · 03-08-2012, 10:15 AM

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You posted a video where the news anchor said "There's police helicopters buzzing around, and, oh, another plane just hit".

I am certain Rochard, has not looked at what I've posted because he knows he could not challenge video proof in any way, but could only deny that it proves the existence of a small drone and very obvious video fakery, that becomes a reality when anyone points to it.

"A lot of ah, uncertainty right now as to what is happening, you can see there are choppers--I believe that could be a police helicopter that is co...oooh."

"We just saw another (long pause because she did not describe a plane) live picture of, duhhh, what I believe, duhhh, was a plane that just hit another plane?" So, it went from an unidentifiable chopper, to, duh, what she knew had to be a plane, because that's what was supposed to happen, but didn't.

She only mentioned choppers being in the area after the drone came into frame. She was stunned and shocked when the south tower exploded because what appeared on screen had no wings or propeller, which is the very reason she said it only, might be a chopper. She used the smallest aircraft that most people would be familiar, that fit closest in size to the unknown flying blob. She could have said it was a green concord, but its unknown status would remain for anyone dealing in reality.

Rochard, would never claim in public or any real-life format that the blob was really a boeing 767. WB11, filmed the blob from just north of the towers in the empire state building. A lie can be accepted, but never proven.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Obt-1...e= plpp_video

bushwacker · 03-08-2012, 12:11 PM

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black plane images with no windows...

hahahahahahahahaha

You don't think that looks like a plane? Seriously?

porno jew · 03-08-2012, 12:12 PM

man you are fucked in the head.

2MuchMark · 03-08-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Well that's the whole point of steel frame building construction - they don't topple, they're made of thicker, stronger constituents at the bottom than at the top, and they're embedded so firmly in the ground that even a great earthquake only makes them oscillate.

You are implying that because they they are embedded into the ground, that at worst they would oscillate in an earth quake.

The truth of the matter is, is that that all tall buildings oscillate all the time. Most modern buildings are built with this in mind, and many have dampers.

Regardless, this has nothing at all to do with 9/11. THe buildings did not fall due to oscillation. Despite the size of jumbo jets, most of the energy of the collision was dispursed out of the sides of the buildings and, even if the buildings absorbed all of the energy, it probably would not have been enough to make them oscillate or tip over.

The collapse of the buildings has everything to do with the weight of the upper portion of the building, multiplied by the velocity of the first, second and 3rd story fall, onto the support structure below it. The total energy of (weight + velocity) * acceleration was too much for the structure to support, so it too broke apart, and became a part of the down-falling mass. Hence, Pancake.

It is so obvious to me that this is what happened and it is stunning to me that people see anything different.

I will grant that other conspiracy theories about who was behind it and who profited etc are all very interesting and very plausible but again, there is *nothing* plausible about WTC falling due to controlled demolition. I have seen zero, zero, zero proof of this.

Rochard · 03-08-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RRACY

I am certain Rochard, has not looked at what I've posted because he knows he could not challenge video proof in any way, but could only deny that it proves the existence of a small drone and very obvious video fakery, that becomes a reality when anyone points to it.

"A lot of ah, uncertainty right now as to what is happening, you can see there are choppers--I believe that could be a police helicopter that is co...oooh."

"We just saw another (long pause because she did not describe a plane) live picture of, duhhh, what I believe, duhhh, was a plane that just hit another plane?" So, it went from an unidentifiable chopper, to, duh, what she knew had to be a plane, because that's what was supposed to happen, but didn't.

She only mentioned choppers being in the area after the drone came into frame. She was stunned and shocked when the south tower exploded because what appeared on screen had no wings or propeller, which is the very reason she said it only, might be a chopper. She used the smallest aircraft that most people would be familiar, that fit closest in size to the unknown flying blob. She could have said it was a green concord, but its unknown status would remain for anyone dealing in reality.

Rochard, would never claim in public or any real-life format that the blob was really a boeing 767. WB11, filmed the blob from just north of the towers in the empire state building. A lie can be accepted, but never proven.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Obt-1...e= plpp_video

A) Your posting rather blurry pictures of a plane. That's that.
B) A reporter on the scene is reporting what they think they are seeing. Not fact.

Rochard · 03-08-2012, 02:24 PM

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It is so obvious to me that this is what happened and it is stunning to me that people see anything different.
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I don't understand this either. Everyone saw the planes hit. Anyone can just begin to imagine the amount of damage done. It's amazing that they stood as long as they did.

Here's a question though... If the buildings were brought down by pre planned charges, planted well in advance, why not just blow the towers up? Why all of the games with planes?

wehateporn · 03-08-2012, 03:08 PM

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Here's a question though... If the buildings were brought down by pre planned charges, planted well in advance, why not just blow the towers up? Why all of the games with planes?

With hindsight they'd change a lot of the official story, it's always the way.

They could have said that two suicide bombers detonated their so-called 'terrorist mini-nukes' inside the towers. You could have fake warning phone calls before hand and the nukes would be set off as the towers were being evacuated

Rochard · 03-08-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

With hindsight they'd change a lot of the official story, it's always the way.

They could have said that two suicide bombers detonated their so-called 'terrorist mini-nukes' inside the towers. You could have fake warning phone calls before hand and the nukes would be set off as the towers were being evacuated

If this was a false flag type of operation, why risk things making it complicated with planes? Why not just take the buildings down as the truthers think happened in the first place? Then again, they would have found fault in that too somehow.

Dirty F · 03-08-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If this was a false flag type of operation, why risk things making it complicated with planes? Why not just take the buildings down as the truthers think happened in the first place? Then again, they would have found fault in that too somehow.

Exactly. No matter what happened they will create a conspiracy. That's how these crackpot rolls.

2MuchMark · 03-08-2012, 06:43 PM

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I don't understand this either. Everyone saw the planes hit. Anyone can just begin to imagine the amount of damage done. It's amazing that they stood as long as they did.

Here's a question though... If the buildings were brought down by pre planned charges, planted well in advance, why not just blow the towers up? Why all of the games with planes?

Exactly.

Achems Razor, you conspiracistststststs - Google it.

bushwacker · 03-08-2012, 07:00 PM

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Achems Razor this: A group of dumb muslims who hated america because of their freedoms hijacked 4 jets simultaneously, hit three of their four targets, made norad stood down and took down 3 buildings with 2 planes

It was the aliens from the center of the earth. Shut up dumb dumb.

wehateporn · 03-08-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

If this was a false flag type of operation, why risk things making it complicated with planes? Why not just take the buildings down as the truthers think happened in the first place? Then again, they would have found fault in that too somehow.

Hindsight is an exact science, I'm sure they'd change an a lot if they could

mayabong · 03-08-2012, 07:52 PM

The only people arrested on 911 were 5 Israeli's. This is left out the news for some reason.

mayabong · 03-08-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this either. Everyone saw the planes hit. Anyone can just begin to imagine the amount of damage done. It's amazing that they stood as long as they did.

Here's a question though... If the buildings were brought down by pre planned charges, planted well in advance, why not just blow the towers up? Why all of the games with planes?

You'd probably believe that arabs somehow planted bombs in there too if that was the case.

Ann-Angelcom · 03-08-2012, 07:57 PM

This debate goes on for pages and it amazes me how people can be so close minded that they totally deny any allegation that there were other forces at work here.

Let me make one simple point as someone who lives in new York and literally had friends there that morning when it happened. If you were watching the news in ny that day you would know what I am about to say is completely 100% true and accurate.

Regarding the collapse of building 7. Building 7 was brought down on purpose. I remember clearly the anchor saying before its collapse "are they going to pull it? (asking for confirmation to ear piece) they are going to pull it". "they have decided to pull the building because it has been deemed unsafe".

Cops on the street were moving people away from building 7 at that time saying "it's coming down its coming down". They were informed it would be "pulled"

A few days later the owner of the world trade ....that fuking Jew.... Sits for an interview where he says "we decided to pull the building". Again the word pull.

Controlled demolition take weeks to plan and set up. Not a few hours. The fact that they were able to pull this building means it had been already set up for demolition. If this was set up for it then everything else was as well. If it had been set up in advance silverstein know about it which is why he probably took out millions in insurance right before this whole thing took place.

I don't know who was involved or who did it. There are powerful people out there that control our government which is just a puppet. What I do know is that ignorance is far spread in this country and too many people fail to look at facts when determining what happened. The "sheep" are easily manipulated.

Facts can be thrown into people's faces and they will still for the most part refuse to believe it. Kind of like religion. Think of why the USA is so predominantly religious. Easily manipulated. Will believe anything they are told.

It's sad to watch this debate because the truth is the families of those who perished or who had friends there like I did, still don't have answers. Real answers. Not bs that has 100000 holes in it.

Those buildings were IMO 100% preset for demolition. Question is who did it an why. Seems to be the only people who gain from such a thing are the Jews in israel. They have the us doing all their dirty work now of mopping up Muslims. Look what they're doing with Iran now. Don't think for a second that this is the USA this is Israels bitch.

You can now try to rip into wha I said but remember, that building was pulled and it's on record in all news footage that it was decided to be pulled.

Sorry for misspells. Typing on iPhone. So don't be a third grader and abuse misspellings if you feel the need lol

wehateporn · 03-08-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

This debate goes on for pages and it amazes me how people can be so close minded that they totally deny any allegation that there were other forces at work here.

Let me make one simple point as someone who lives in new York and literally had friends there that morning when it happened. If you were watching the news in ny that day you would know what I am about to say is completely 100% true and accurate.

Regarding the collapse of building 7. Building 7 was brought down on purpose. I remember clearly the anchor saying before its collapse "are they going to pull it? (asking for confirmation to ear piece) they are going to pull it". "they have decided to pull the building because it has been deemed unsafe".

Cops on the street were moving people away from building 7 at that time saying "it's coming down its coming down". They were informed it would be "pulled"

A few days later the owner of the world trade ....that fuking Jew.... Sits for an interview where he says "we decided to pull the building". Again the word pull.

Controlled demolition take weeks to plan and set up. Not a few hours. The fact that they were able to pull this building means it had been already set up for demolition. If this was set up for it then everything else was as well. If it had been set up in advance silverstein know about it which is why he probably took out millions in insurance right before this whole thing took place.

I don't know who was involved or who did it. There are powerful people out there that control our government which is just a puppet. What I do know is that ignorance is far spread in this country and too many people fail to look at facts when determining what happened. The "sheep" are easily manipulated.

Facts can be thrown into people's faces and they will still for the most part refuse to believe it. Kind of like religion. Think of why the USA is so predominantly religious. Easily manipulated. Will believe anything they are told.

It's sad to watch this debate because the truth is the families of those who perished or who had friends there like I did, still don't have answers. Real answers. Not bs that has 100000 holes in it.

Those buildings were IMO 100% preset for demolition. Question is who did it an why. Seems to be the only people who gain from such a thing are the Jews in israel. They have the us doing all their dirty work now of mopping up Muslims. Look what they're doing with Iran now. Don't think for a second that this is the USA this is Israels bitch.

You can now try to rip into wha I said but remember, that building was pulled and it's on record in all news footage that it was decided to be pulled.

Sorry for misspells. Typing on iPhone. So don't be a third grader and abuse misspellings if you feel the need lol

Excellent post!

The advantage of choosing non-American's for a job like this is that they don't have loyalty

The Bankers most likely had their own people to deal with this, they were probably working very closely with the project

WarChild · 03-08-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

This debate goes on for pages and it amazes me how people can be so close minded that they totally deny any allegation that there were other forces at work here.

Let me make one simple point as someone who lives in new York and literally had friends there that morning when it happened. If you were watching the news in ny that day you would know what I am about to say is completely 100% true and accurate.

Regarding the collapse of building 7. Building 7 was brought down on purpose. I remember clearly the anchor saying before its collapse "are they going to pull it? (asking for confirmation to ear piece) they are going to pull it". "they have decided to pull the building because it has been deemed unsafe".

Cops on the street were moving people away from building 7 at that time saying "it's coming down its coming down". They were informed it would be "pulled"

A few days later the owner of the world trade ....that fuking Jew.... Sits for an interview where he says "we decided to pull the building". Again the word pull.

Controlled demolition take weeks to plan and set up. Not a few hours. The fact that they were able to pull this building means it had been already set up for demolition. If this was set up for it then everything else was as well. If it had been set up in advance silverstein know about it which is why he probably took out millions in insurance right before this whole thing took place.

I don't know who was involved or who did it. There are powerful people out there that control our government which is just a puppet. What I do know is that ignorance is far spread in this country and too many people fail to look at facts when determining what happened. The "sheep" are easily manipulated.

Facts can be thrown into people's faces and they will still for the most part refuse to believe it. Kind of like religion. Think of why the USA is so predominantly religious. Easily manipulated. Will believe anything they are told.

It's sad to watch this debate because the truth is the families of those who perished or who had friends there like I did, still don't have answers. Real answers. Not bs that has 100000 holes in it.

Those buildings were IMO 100% preset for demolition. Question is who did it an why. Seems to be the only people who gain from such a thing are the Jews in israel. They have the us doing all their dirty work now of mopping up Muslims. Look what they're doing with Iran now. Don't think for a second that this is the USA this is Israels bitch.

You can now try to rip into wha I said but remember, that building was pulled and it's on record in all news footage that it was decided to be pulled.

Sorry for misspells. Typing on iPhone. So don't be a third grader and abuse misspellings if you feel the need lol

Great, except to "pull" a building in terms of demolition literally means to pull it down with cables not blow it up. Your 100% "facts" are simply incorrect. What a surprise.

The whole Silverstein "pull" conspiracy is absolutely ridiculous. It relies on the Fire Chief being involved in demolishing a building amidst the chaos of the day. Fire Chief's don't demolish buildings. You'll forgive the sane among us if we'll take the word of the Fire Chief over your interpretation of the day's events.

Rochard · 03-08-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Let me make one simple point as someone who lives in new York and literally had friends there that morning when it happened. If you were watching the news in ny that day you would know what I am about to say is completely 100% true and accurate.

I'm a Jersey boy myself; I once lived in Brooklyn (Bay Ridge). I younger brother worked near there, and saw the towers fell with his own eyes. I've been to the WTC towers a dozen times.

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Regarding the collapse of building 7. Building 7 was brought down on purpose. I remember clearly the anchor saying before its collapse "are they going to pull it? (asking for confirmation to ear piece) they are going to pull it". "they have decided to pull the building because it has been deemed unsafe".

Again we are quoting news anchors who had no idea what was really happening that day as it unfolded live.

When they say "pull", they meant "pull the firefighters out of the building". Not "pull the building to the ground". And besides, the fire department would not be intentionally blowing up a building that is on fire.

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Cops on the street were moving people away from building 7 at that time saying "it's coming down its coming down". They were informed it would be "pulled"

They were moving people away from the WTC complex and out of the city. They crossed the bridges on foot.

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

A few days later the owner of the world trade ....that fuking Jew.... Sits for an interview where he says "we decided to pull the building". Again the word pull.

Did you really just use the term "fucking jew"?

Again, they "pulled" the people out of the building. They didn't "pull the building down".

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Controlled demolition take weeks to plan and set up. Not a few hours. The fact that they were able to pull this building means it had been already set up for demolition. If this was set up for it then everything else was as well. If it had been set up in advance silverstein know about it which is why he probably took out millions in insurance right before this whole thing took place.

So if it took weeks to wire the building up with explosives, why didn't anyone notice? I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed something like that and come forward by now.

I'm pretty confident he was required to have that insurance - And always was. I have two houses and I'm required to have insurance on both of them. And obviously it makes sense to have insurance on a building that has already been hit by a terrorist attack.

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

I don't know who was involved or who did it. There are powerful people out there that control our government which is just a puppet. What I do know is that ignorance is far spread in this country and too many people fail to look at facts when determining what happened. The "sheep" are easily manipulated.

But "why"? Give me a reason why anyone would want to do to this? So we can invade a worthless country for the oil it doesn't have?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Facts can be thrown into people's faces and they will still for the most part refuse to believe it. Kind of like religion. Think of why the USA is so predominantly religious. Easily manipulated. Will believe anything they are told.

So it's not the conspiracy theorists that are easily manipulated? Could have fooled me.

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Those buildings were IMO 100% preset for demolition. Question is who did it an why. Seems to be the only people who gain from such a thing are the Jews in israel. They have the us doing all their dirty work now of mopping up Muslims. Look what they're doing with Iran now. Don't think for a second that this is the USA this is Israels bitch.

Again, if the buildings were wired up with explosives and it took weeks, why didn't anyone notice? How many people would that have taken, and why haven't any of them come forward?

And again with the Jew bashing?

If the US is in fact Israel's bitch, and we invaded two countries on the behalf of Israel... Seems to me nothing has changed - They are still hated, still in the Middle East, and still on the verge of war. How did that work for them?

mayabong · 03-08-2012, 09:32 PM

Here a reporter for fox news who is trying to discredit Jessee Ventura, actually admits the building was rigged

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Governor Ventura and many 9/11 “Truthers” allege that government explosives caused the afternoon collapse of Building 7. This is false. I know this because I remember watching all 47 stories of Building 7 suddenly and silently crumble before my eyes.

Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.

A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building’s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy.
While I was talking with a fellow reporter and several NYPD officers, Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area. There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was.

The myth that Building 7 was blown up by the U.S. government is false – and so is the broader theory that our government was somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks. I know this because I was one of the few reporters who investigated 9/11 conspiracy theories and urban legends on location in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...#ixzz1oVckwQhJ

Fox actually took this article down for a while. Surprised its back up.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...ro-sept-shame/

mayabong · 03-08-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And again with the Jew bashing?

If the US is in fact Israel's bitch, and we invaded two countries on the behalf of Israel... Seems to me nothing has changed - They are still hated, still in the Middle East, and still on the verge of war. How did that work for them?

9 out of 10 people that are still pushing this "Arabs did it" story are Jewish. Can't seem to figure out why.

As far as anyone noticing any weird activity. At least 1 of the WTC's was fully powered down for 36 hours or something right before 911. This man talks about it, but still doesn't put 2 and 2 together and thinks muslims did it.

WarChild · 03-08-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

9 out of 10 people that are still pushing this "Arabs did it" story are Jewish. Can't seem to figure out why.

As far as anyone noticing any weird activity. At least 1 of the WTC's was fully powered down for 36 hours or something right before 911. This man talks about it, but still doesn't put 2 and 2 together and thinks muslims did it.

Yes because it's totally possible to wire the largest demolition job ever in 36 hours. I mean that just makes perfect sense.

9 out of 10 people that don't believe your nonsense at Jewish?

You know, sometimes it's better to be quiet and thought an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

mayabong · 03-08-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Yes because it's totally possible to wire the largest demolition job ever in 36 hours. I mean that just makes perfect sense.

9 out of 10 people that don't believe your nonsense at Jewish?

You know, sometimes it's better to be quiet and thought an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Powering down the WTC is just a normal occorrence, especially before a huge terrorist attack. You're right I should not think something is up and keep my mouth shut.

WarChild · 03-08-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

Powering down the WTC is just a normal occorrence, especially before a huge terrorist attack. You're right I should not think something is up and keep my mouth shut.

You might try applying common sense.

Vjo · 03-08-2012, 10:05 PM

Good clear (slo-mo) video. Notice how the very upper most 20 floors at least above the plane crash are leaning with tremendous weight just before the South (first) tower begins collapsing.

Also some huge pieces such as beams do go way out so it doesnt really fall straight down.

Must say it looks like it is crumbling under weight and momentum.

How and why the bldg fell was always a critical point. Many people naturally felt it would be very hard to pancake a steel frame structure.

Since it has now been shown and mostly accepted to have come down naturally due to tons of concrete and steel in motion, creating devastating momentum, it makes the probability of a conspiracy much less.

wehateporn · 03-09-2012, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Yes because it's totally possible to wire the largest demolition job ever in 36 hours. I mean that just makes perfect sense.

It would be been wired up weeks or months in advance

wehateporn · 03-09-2012, 04:01 AM

Let's say it did pancake, there would be resistance i.e. not free fall; the collapse would be slower.

Vjo, I know this is a new conspiracy for you, so I'd recommend checking out the details of WTC 7 and seeing what you think

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Originally Posted by Vjo

Good clear (slo-mo) video. Notice how the very upper most 20 floors at least above the plane crash are leaning with tremendous weight just before the South (first) tower begins collapsing.

Also some huge pieces such as beams do go way out so it doesnt really fall straight down.

Must say it looks like it is crumbling under weight and momentum.

How and why the bldg fell was always a critical point. Many people naturally felt it would be very hard to pancake a steel frame structure.

Since it has now been shown and mostly accepted to have come down naturally due to tons of concrete and steel in motion, creating devastating momentum, it makes the probability of a conspiracy much less.

asdasd · 03-09-2012, 04:51 AM

"took down 3 buildings with 2 planes"

wehateporn · 03-09-2012, 05:01 AM

Shotsie · 03-09-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

When a message is uncomfortable, it is understandable that some will attack the messenger. It is a primitive response, but many other human responses are also primitive. e.g. throwing a bad apple into a bush, trying to smack a wasp that has stung you.

Adults in society are meant to be logical, listen to facts, discuss and conclude. Unfortunately most often this is not the case, they simply react; an offending message is rejected. Internet access is granted to anyone, people write and post primitive reactions on message boards "I hate nutjobs!" they scream. They hate those who provide them with information that makes them feel uncomfortable. These types are human beings, like we all are, it's a human reaction which they cannot control, so we should not hold anything against them.

Here's the problem with all of your theories: none of them has ever been proven. Not one. There is a fundamental flaw in YOUR logic in that you refuse to acknowledge that random shit happens all the time; the world is an absurd place. The idea that an insignificant asshole like Oswald could have killed the leader of the free world is uncomfortable to you, that's understandable, but all the evidence is there. The mail-order gun that he bought — he used that gun to try to shoot Gen. Edwin Walker. And that’s the gun that was found at the depository with his fingerprints on it. And then he ran, he shot the police officer J. D. Tippit, and they caught him. That’s it.

19 camel jockeys from Al-Qaeda hijacked four passenger jets. The hijackers intentionally crashed two planes into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. Hijackers crashed another one into the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. The fourth jet crashed into a field after the passengers attempted to take it back. Again, all the evidence is there. Most of it has been posted right in this thread to try to disprove these facts, that's the craziest part. That's it.

Here's a story for you: a couple of months ago out in the Midwest this guy won the lottery, he won a million dollars or something on the lottery. Maybe it was multimillions. But you know how it is, it’s a great human interest story. So the press comes and this film crew from one of the local stations says to him, “We want to recreate you winning the lottery.” So they went to the store where he had bought the scratch ticket and won the million dollars. And they filmed, and he scratched the ticket and he said, “Holy shit, I just won another $100,000.” Now, that’s the sort of thing where if you’re not there, if you’re not part of it, you just say to yourself, “This is just absurd.” But it happens all the time.

Random shit happens all the time, you can't accept that. You need the Rothschilds, Illuminati, Jews, government, aliens, or whatever for it to all make sense. It's a human reaction to try to make sense of an absurd world, I understand that. I don't hold it against people like that.

Ann-Angelcom · 03-09-2012, 06:32 AM

I would like to also point out that the buildings that are exactly near the twin towers were 100% fine and standing today. I saw them a few days after the attack and only window were blown out basically. Meanwhile supposedly according to the story world trade 7 was damaged in the attack. That is just insane! If you believe that you're a complete tool.

@wehateporn thanks for posting that map so people realize how far wt7 was. All other building around the twin towers are 100% fine today. So please explain that. Oh that's right. You can't. Building 7 was a controlled demo. And if you want to play symantics on what a reporter said "they're going to pull it" and come back with some bs that pull in demo terms means with strings lol you are really reaching. The news reporter I'm sure was not brushing up on his demo terms that day. And fact is they knew exactly when it was going to come down because they called it. Within minutes!!! And this was much later than the initial attack. So if they didn't know it was goig to be taken down via demo then they must have been phychic.

If you dot follow this subject closely and know nothing about that day and you live somewhere other than by or nj then you have no business arguing in this post. You're making assumptions based on bs fed to you by media and govt. you're an insult to those of us who lost friends and family there by making your nonsensical logic.

Let's be realistic. Wtc I think we can all agree was a controlled demo. And if that was then it was planned weeks in advance meaning the entire attack was planned and executed by insiders. You're doing a disservice by not asking questions and buying the bs story fed by the govt. do you really believe the indestructible black box from a plane wasn't found??? Did it even exist? This story has so many holes in it you have to be an illiterate fool to not see it. There are testimonies from firemen who helped dig shit out of the rubble who say they saw what may have been a black box for Christ sake being carried away!

900 street cams around the pentagon yet not one captures any footage of a plane? Meanwhile you can use street cams to find people in a crowd? Wtf guys come on!!!

xholly · 03-09-2012, 06:51 AM

none of the conspiracies guys even agree with each other, just individual fantasies.

Ann-Angelcom · 03-09-2012, 06:57 AM

And xholly, where were you that morning that makes you an expert?

xholly · 03-09-2012, 06:59 AM

where were you Ann and what did you see?

Ann-Angelcom · 03-09-2012, 07:22 AM

One more thing that I find interesting and always sticks in my mind (this is only my own opinion haven't heard it repeated anywhere else) is bush's reaction to the whole thing.

Think about it if it was a movie. Just suppose this was a movie. You as the writer would place the president of the USA (who in your story knows of the pending attack) in the mos innocent place at they time of the attack. As a writer you ask yourself why would my character want to be in the most innocent place? Well for obvious feeling of guilt that torments the character but also to completely disassociate the character with any guilt. Reading to elementary school kids couldn't have been written any better for a movie plot. It's perfect.
Now think of your characters reaction when he finds out the attack he knew would take place actually does take place. He would suddenly be faced with the reality of what he had known all along. Maybe he mumbles a god rest their souls in his head. Maybe he is tormented by guilt at that exact moment. All these feelings suddenly surface and he freezes. A blank stare. And moments pass before he goes back into action. Such as bush did.
I couldn't have written a better story myself. Yet there it was for all to see in plain sight.

Let's say the character didn't know of any impending attack. He was oblivious when he is approached with the information and is really Ito reading my pet goat. Now how would that character react? If the writer didn't make the character jump out of the seat it would be considered not believable and the scene wouldn't work. I think it's safe to say anyone faced with this kind of information in one quick blow would have had a totally different reaction to it had they not had prior knowledge. "crashed into what!?" the character would exclaim as he springs into action.

Again this is just something that struck me as odd that day and no one ever talks about it. could be nothing at all and I certainly am not saying this to tie it in to what I believe to be true controlled and planned demos or to use it as proof of my original points. I am only offering it as food for thought.

Do I think bush and our govt planned this? Highly unlikely. I believe there are larger powers at work ....the guys who really run this world. They said hey this is what is going to happen and how and when. You just sit there and look pretty and offer comfort tothe people. To me what you saw on bush's face that day was true concealed remorse for those people that he knew he had no power in saving because this event was going to happen with or without him.

End scene.

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 70,542	[QUOTE=********;18811909 It is so obvious to me that this is what happened and it is stunning to me that people see anything different. [/QUOTE] I don't understand this either. Everyone saw the planes hit. Anyone can just begin to imagine the amount of damage done. It's amazing that they stood as long as they did. Here's a question though... If the buildings were brought down by pre planned charges, planted well in advance, why not just blow the towers up? Why all of the games with planes? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION**

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03-08-2012, 07:57 PM	#581
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	This debate goes on for pages and it amazes me how people can be so close minded that they totally deny any allegation that there were other forces at work here. Let me make one simple point as someone who lives in new York and literally had friends there that morning when it happened. If you were watching the news in ny that day you would know what I am about to say is completely 100% true and accurate. Regarding the collapse of building 7. Building 7 was brought down on purpose. I remember clearly the anchor saying before its collapse "are they going to pull it? (asking for confirmation to ear piece) they are going to pull it". "they have decided to pull the building because it has been deemed unsafe". Cops on the street were moving people away from building 7 at that time saying "it's coming down its coming down". They were informed it would be "pulled" A few days later the owner of the world trade ....that fuking Jew.... Sits for an interview where he says "we decided to pull the building". Again the word pull. Controlled demolition take weeks to plan and set up. Not a few hours. The fact that they were able to pull this building means it had been already set up for demolition. If this was set up for it then everything else was as well. If it had been set up in advance silverstein know about it which is why he probably took out millions in insurance right before this whole thing took place. I don't know who was involved or who did it. There are powerful people out there that control our government which is just a puppet. What I do know is that ignorance is far spread in this country and too many people fail to look at facts when determining what happened. The "sheep" are easily manipulated. Facts can be thrown into people's faces and they will still for the most part refuse to believe it. Kind of like religion. Think of why the USA is so predominantly religious. Easily manipulated. Will believe anything they are told. It's sad to watch this debate because the truth is the families of those who perished or who had friends there like I did, still don't have answers. Real answers. Not bs that has 100000 holes in it. Those buildings were IMO 100% preset for demolition. Question is who did it an why. Seems to be the only people who gain from such a thing are the Jews in israel. They have the us doing all their dirty work now of mopping up Muslims. Look what they're doing with Iran now. Don't think for a second that this is the USA this is Israels bitch. You can now try to rip into wha I said but remember, that building was pulled and it's on record in all news footage that it was decided to be pulled. Sorry for misspells. Typing on iPhone. So don't be a third grader and abuse misspellings if you feel the need lol __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	The problem with you dumbass nutjobs is that everything is a conspiracy to you. Even the most simple things you go out of your way to come up with some crazy ass theories and call that the truth. And the most simple solution is always impossible to you imbeciles. I hate truthers. I really hate them. They are so fucking dumb and ignorant.

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03-08-2012, 10:05 PM	#590
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	Good clear (slo-mo) video. Notice how the very upper most 20 floors at least above the plane crash are leaning with tremendous weight just before the South (first) tower begins collapsing. Also some huge pieces such as beams do go way out so it doesnt really fall straight down. Must say it looks like it is crumbling under weight and momentum. How and why the bldg fell was always a critical point. Many people naturally felt it would be very hard to pancake a steel frame structure. Since it has now been shown and mostly accepted to have come down naturally due to tons of concrete and steel in motion, creating devastating momentum, it makes the probability of a conspiracy much less. Last edited by Vjo; 03-08-2012 at 10:10 PM..

03-09-2012, 04:51 AM	#593
asdasd So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,225	"took down 3 buildings with 2 planes"

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03-09-2012, 06:32 AM	#596
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	I would like to also point out that the buildings that are exactly near the twin towers were 100% fine and standing today. I saw them a few days after the attack and only window were blown out basically. Meanwhile supposedly according to the story world trade 7 was damaged in the attack. That is just insane! If you believe that you're a complete tool. @wehateporn thanks for posting that map so people realize how far wt7 was. All other building around the twin towers are 100% fine today. So please explain that. Oh that's right. You can't. Building 7 was a controlled demo. And if you want to play symantics on what a reporter said "they're going to pull it" and come back with some bs that pull in demo terms means with strings lol you are really reaching. The news reporter I'm sure was not brushing up on his demo terms that day. And fact is they knew exactly when it was going to come down because they called it. Within minutes!!! And this was much later than the initial attack. So if they didn't know it was goig to be taken down via demo then they must have been phychic. If you dot follow this subject closely and know nothing about that day and you live somewhere other than by or nj then you have no business arguing in this post. You're making assumptions based on bs fed to you by media and govt. you're an insult to those of us who lost friends and family there by making your nonsensical logic. Let's be realistic. Wtc I think we can all agree was a controlled demo. And if that was then it was planned weeks in advance meaning the entire attack was planned and executed by insiders. You're doing a disservice by not asking questions and buying the bs story fed by the govt. do you really believe the indestructible black box from a plane wasn't found??? Did it even exist? This story has so many holes in it you have to be an illiterate fool to not see it. There are testimonies from firemen who helped dig shit out of the rubble who say they saw what may have been a black box for Christ sake being carried away! 900 street cams around the pentagon yet not one captures any footage of a plane? Meanwhile you can use street cams to find people in a crowd? Wtf guys come on!!! __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!

03-09-2012, 06:51 AM	#597
xholly Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 817	none of the conspiracies guys even agree with each other, just individual fantasies.

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03-09-2012, 06:59 AM	#599
xholly Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 817	where were you Ann and what did you see?

03-09-2012, 07:22 AM	#600
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	One more thing that I find interesting and always sticks in my mind (this is only my own opinion haven't heard it repeated anywhere else) is bush's reaction to the whole thing. Think about it if it was a movie. Just suppose this was a movie. You as the writer would place the president of the USA (who in your story knows of the pending attack) in the mos innocent place at they time of the attack. As a writer you ask yourself why would my character want to be in the most innocent place? Well for obvious feeling of guilt that torments the character but also to completely disassociate the character with any guilt. Reading to elementary school kids couldn't have been written any better for a movie plot. It's perfect. Now think of your characters reaction when he finds out the attack he knew would take place actually does take place. He would suddenly be faced with the reality of what he had known all along. Maybe he mumbles a god rest their souls in his head. Maybe he is tormented by guilt at that exact moment. All these feelings suddenly surface and he freezes. A blank stare. And moments pass before he goes back into action. Such as bush did. I couldn't have written a better story myself. Yet there it was for all to see in plain sight. Let's say the character didn't know of any impending attack. He was oblivious when he is approached with the information and is really Ito reading my pet goat. Now how would that character react? If the writer didn't make the character jump out of the seat it would be considered not believable and the scene wouldn't work. I think it's safe to say anyone faced with this kind of information in one quick blow would have had a totally different reaction to it had they not had prior knowledge. "crashed into what!?" the character would exclaim as he springs into action. Again this is just something that struck me as odd that day and no one ever talks about it. could be nothing at all and I certainly am not saying this to tie it in to what I believe to be true controlled and planned demos or to use it as proof of my original points. I am only offering it as food for thought. Do I think bush and our govt planned this? Highly unlikely. I believe there are larger powers at work ....the guys who really run this world. They said hey this is what is going to happen and how and when. You just sit there and look pretty and offer comfort tothe people. To me what you saw on bush's face that day was true concealed remorse for those people that he knew he had no power in saving because this event was going to happen with or without him. End scene. __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!