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https://youtube.com/watch?v=wVyH40iz6PQ

Damn, you just got owned. You fucking know it all idiot.

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1. there is debris flying all over the place in that video. those are called "pieces". where are the pieces from 9/11?

2. that was a test plane, not a commercial jet.

3. what about the one in PA that supposedly just crashed into an empty field and.... also "vaporized"? not one body? not one flaming seat cushion?

not a single piece out of 4 planes? please.

and....

4. how does one of the "terrorist's" passport end up on the street, unscathed?

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will76

lol so what are you saying, something else hit the world trade center ? Since you can't find a piece of it, then it wasn't a plane? Then what hit the world trade center? was it all hollywood video and no plane hit it, but instead a planted explosion, jesus christ man is that what you really think ? All of those live broadcasts showing the second plane hitting the world trade center wasn't real ?

wow

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will76

so what hit the trade center then ?

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will76

it was suppose to fall over like a tree because some lunatic part time engineer that is a conspiracy theorist said it should have fallen a different way then it did, so the idiots of the world believe what he says as gospel.

Note to US govt next time you try to blow up buildings in the US and kill thousands of citizens just plant explosives on 3 sides. You guys did too good of a job and blow all 4 corners at the same time and made the building fall straight down!! you dummies everyone knows that buildings don't fall that way now you have been busted. Don't forget next time blow 3 corners so it falls with a little lean.... :u psidedow

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the indigo

Uhhh, they did.

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Rochard

Your calling it "Two differently damaged buildings". Seems to me like two buildings both got hit by airplanes, it's infrastructure pretty much destroyed, and they fell the way all buildings fall. They don't tip over, but instead crashed down on itself because there was nothing to support the upper floors.

As for your comment about "fire bringing down the buildings", there's two points here. First off, this wasn't your typical fire. Your typical house fire or office building fire doesn't involve tons of jet fuel. So this was a bit more than a "fire". At the same time, no one claimed that fire brought down anything. The towers were nearly sliced in half - and the fire help to bring down the rest.

And building 7... I'm so tired of this. Everyone acts like "nothing happened to building 7" but that's as far from the truth as you can get. It suffered two earthquakes from when the other towers fell, then all of the debris pretty much landed at the base of WTC7. This "debris" - which isn't a good term to call billions of tons of concrete - took out nearly a quarter of the base of WTC7.

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Rochard

You know I've all both side of this discussion - meaning books - and this is the only thing that raises any doubt in my mind.

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will76

yeap, and I bet they probably believe in crop circles though...


How can someone be so stupid???? its like the anti establishment, anti social, no life, easily gullible type that obviously doesn't have common sense and believes non sense all group together to try to "figure out" what happened on their own because in some twisted way they think we are the idiots in the dark and the are the smart ones!!!!!

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the indigo

Obviously, people here have no history and political knownledge.

Vietnam, Operation Northwoods, Chili 1973, Iran-Contra, Bosnia, Operation paperclip, etc.

On the technical side; http://patriotsquestion911.com/

220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
400+ Medical Professionals
1,200+ Engineers and Architects
250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
400+ Professors Question 9/11
300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals

You don't even have to waste your time on the technical side of 9/11 to understand
why it was required, if you are not lazy and study for 2-3 weeks how this world works.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iRh5qy09nNw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bBlOX3PaVKs

Leemings.

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will76

never said they didn't/

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will76

yeah the "technical side" is over rated like the plane hit the trade center, lets ignore stuff like that and focus on " but they didn't find any pieces of the plane"

What the fuck does Vietnam have to do with 911... i love how you explained nothing and I still can't tell for sure if you are a lunatic conspiracy theorist that thought 911 was factual or a "false flag"

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will76

no you not biased...

you should go down to mexico to live... see what it is like to live in another country, you will like it down there you get that great cheap dental all day long.

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Rochard

You said exactlyi "9/11 proved three times that all it takes is a fire...". Your saying that fire took down these buildings yet seem to recall something about airplanes....

Well if you haven't read heard or seen that a quarter of WTC7 was torn out by debris, you didn't look. At all. All you've read is your side saying "Nothing happen to WTC7 other than a fire" and your ignoring the rest.

Start with wikipedia:



The brown area is the section that was hit by "debris". Again, debris is a bad term to use here because we are talking in terms of tons of steel and concrete and what not.

As for the other buildings, well, three out of ten buildings fell. Some buildings fell, some didn't. Why is it that in 1989 during the big San Fran earthquake the Bay Bridge fell, but the Golden Gate bridge didn't? They were buildings, and built differently. Some of the fell, some of didn't.

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the indigo

You are just another sheep, too lazy to document yourself.

Why should I write anything when you obviously did not even took a few hours to read the links posted one minute ago. I prefer to have less posts on GFY and be more educated than you.

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Rochard

Planes don't vaporize? Why not? When they run into steel and concrete at 500 miles and then get buried in a million tons of concrete and steel, yeah, they do. You accept a plane crash as when a plane hits the ground - and even then there is little left.

As for your comment about an investigation, well, we had one, and it produced a library of facts detailed everything that happened yet STILL people refuse to accept the truth. I read it and still have it downstairs - Did you read it?

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elitelist

You are also a criminal for it and thus why you are right.

kazbalah

Can i ask - the people here saying all this crap - how many documentaries and books have you read on the subject?

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Probably none... that's the sad story.

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Rochard

WTF are you talking about? This was the largest crime scene ever. Every piece of debris was collected, and sent to NJ where they shifted through it looking for DNA and any evidence.

Yes, it's perfect logical that after a plane hit a building, it fell. As for quote there, why hasn't hundreds of people involved in designing the building come forward with similar comments? Oh that's right, they have. The came forward and said the buildings was designed to withstand a impact of plane that was in the air when they designed the building - not the planes we fly thirty years later.

Again with the fire. Did not see the airplanes hit the building? Can you not begin to understand the amount of damage that was done to the structure of the building before any fire started?

Normally if take one of those beams of steel and heat it up to 500 degrees or whatever, it would take some time to degrade it. But if you slam it with a an airplane, boil it in jet fuel, and then demand it hold up twenty floors on it's own, well, it's gonna give way a lot quicker.

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the indigo

Since you have read it, what is your opinion on patriotsquestion911.com and the scientists discovery of unignited fragments of nano-engineered thermitic pyrotechnics in debris, in 2009?

I'm curious.

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Rochard

As you must be well aware, anyone jackass working out of their mother's basement can make an utterly looking crappy web page. And that is one hell of a crappy looking web page. I wouldn't believe anyone would believe anything on that page, and I'm stunned that anyone on GFY would use that as a reference. No, I've never seen that web page, nor have I ever heard of this group.

I'm not trusting a single (poorly put together) web page. I've a ton of books, on both sides, including "debunking 9/11".

The number at the top don't impress me at all. It uses numbers like "1,200+ Engineers and Architects" - which quickly translates for me into "only 1200 engineers and architects". So you mean to tell me "only" 1200 out of what - a few hundred thousand? A million? I have a friend of mine who is an engineer for the city of Walnut Creek, California - And I wouldn't trust her to babysit my sister.

As for your "unignited fragments of nano-engineered thermitic pyrotechnics" they found "eight years later", well, what could that be? I'm guessing a lot of people here never have never been to the WTC; It was in fact a city into itself. People don't seem to understand that anything the WTC needed, it had - such as lines of compressed air that ran all the way roof... For the window cleaners, oddly enough. I learned about this (gasp) during my reading about 9/11. Water, steam, oil, hydraulics.... But of course they wouldn't need "pyrotechnics", right?

And this is where people get utterly fucking stupid. You read "pyrotechnics" and your only response is "oh my god, they used pyrotechnics" to bring down the World Trade Center, right? I mean, it's not like pyrotechnics are used in.... Circuit breakers? Lightbulbs? Matches?

Better yet, do you know what "nano thermite" really is? Isn't just Aluminium, copper, and maybe magnesium. I'm not a fucking engineer here, but I'm guessing you can find this in any computer. And there was a lot of fucking computers in the WTC complex.

People are sheep.

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will76

yeap that is exactly it... the conspiracy theorist mentality. they think they have it figured out and everyone else is the sheep buying into what the govt tells us.

The difference is you nut jobs think the govt is lieing to us 100% of the time and you can't use common sense and logic to see what is real and what might not be real.

911 100% no doubt was a terrorist attack and the most our govt might have been involved was by being incompetent and maybe (just maybe) on some level someone might have looked the other way, if they even detected it before hand. Anything beyond that is just lunacy.

Now shit like WMDs in Iraq is a different story, they even admitted it was "bad intel" hell for all i know it was a straight up lie. Who knows the govt might have been feed bad intel they might have made it up. Normal people can be skeptical and look at things logically, you nut jobs go to extremes and disagree with what 99% of the population thinks, and you can't even prove your theories...

General rule, our govt is good (at trying atleast) to cover up mistakes, but there is no way they are competent enough to plan and pull off conspiracies especially on the scale of 911. It's funny you people hate them but at the same time give them too much credit for what you accuse them off, because no matter how much you think you "know" the truth you can't prove shit. No one else believes you except for a few other nut jobs. So if they did do it, as you think, damn they must be good to have pulled it off without getting exposed ... with you know REAL PROOF.

too funny, you not going to waste your time to back up why you t hink 911 was an inside job...

there are some serious nut jobs out there.

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Rochard

I'm not saying our government is beyond anything.

Operation Northwoords was a "plan". It was a mental exercise on paper. They also thought about trying to make Castro's beard fall out. These means.... Nothing. It means someone had an idea, nothing more.

I don't understand what Iran Contra has to do with this. (Oddly enough, the next book I plan on reading is is by Oliver North.) The Iran-Contra affair was our government trying to get around an arms embargo - not the innocent killing of Americans.

And last my personal favorite - Operation Paperclip. The US government sent teams into Germany at shortly before the fall of Nazi Germany directly after the fall, in order to find German scientists to ensure they didn't fall into the hands of the USSR. While this was a secret at the time, it has nothing to do with any "false flag" operation. In fact, this is operation is how we ended up winning the space race.

The problem here is that your pointing out things that our government has lied to us before, and then claiming that it would have no problem killing thousands of Americans. That's a bit much.

Jesus fuck already. If the US government was behind this they would have just bombed the buildings and be done with it. Not fly airplanes into them.

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will76

Seems like it could be the "I hate the govt" complex combined with the "I think I am smarter than everyone else" complex...

On one side you have shit like video of planes flying into a building, taking out most of several floors, building falling and on the other you have bits and pieces of little minute things like "pyrotechnics" that these morons grab onto. They ignore the mountain of reality of what happened and they look hard to try to find little "clues" that means it had to all be a conspiracy and they are ubber smart and busted the govt and we are just sheep.

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HerPimp

Dont spend too much time on it. No one did shit about the truth coming out about Gulf of Tonkin in 2005.

For 9/11 non-conspiratorial Facts go here: http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.html

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take it up with your congressman.

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kazbalah

You guys forgot to mention the plane that crashed in the field - they did tests and did not find ANY fuel. A plane crashes with 10,000 gallons of fuel, and they couldnt find any.

This is what pisses me off - people just say NUP, not true - dont wanna hear about it.

They dont look into it, they just say NOPE your crazy.

But then the people who do look into it, research it and come to a different conslusion are just crazy.

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Haha! You did not even try to read anything. "Poorly put together webpage - no credibility". Yeah right. Blacksonblondes.com had a shitty looking page and sold like crazy back then.

When a person is bashing the image over the content, the lack of argument is obvious. The covers for "Relativity" of Albert Einstein suck, too.

Another crappy argument. Wow! So, basically you will start to think and read when there will be one million ex-CIA insiders telling the same thing. == Who is the sheep?

Pure rhetoric, what a surprise. Wasting my time here.

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the indigo

You have great arguments! Nut jobs, lunatics, etc.

The simple fact that you believe the government is in control, proves how much you are not well-educated. Study a little more history, culture, society... especially the NATO war agenda, oil and energy industries, militarization worldwide, media disinformation, politics, religions, lobbying, psychology and economy. You probably don't even know what the heck is the Gaza Strip, except from Wikipedia.

Your opinion is 100% certain, no doubt involved, the antithesis of Science and Education.

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the indigo

Seriously. How many died? 3000... less than US Soldiers in Irak since 2003, and about the same as Afghanistan by 2012.

If you really think the government care for 3000 victims, you are naive. It's all politics.

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the indigo

Exactly.

In 40 years, people won't care anyway.

This is like wikileaks.org and their Afghan War Diary (2004-2010). Nobody gives a fuck. http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/

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lex

Easy. It floated through thousands of liters of burning jet fuel and landed gently on the pavement where an FBI agent could easily find it, even before the dust settled.

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indeed, how fortunate for the FBI. it's a 9/11 miracle.

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your own key words there are "there is little left".... but there is something left.

well there weren't jack squat in PA. Not one fucking screw, not one fucking wire, not one fucking skull. That is what they are calling "vaporized".... not one single shred of proof that there ever was a plane crash. Just a crater in the ground.

now c'mon dude..... that doesn't happen and you know it. you can't expect any intelligent person to accept some story about a plane crash when there is no plane crash. The investigators tht got to the scene first reported, "where's the crash"?

are you really just going to eat the government cheese and call it a night when Captain Obvious is flicking you on the forehead?

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Amputate, retardboy, you keep acting as if it's not possible planes hit the tower. When are you gonna us tell what did hit the towers? Come on man, you seem afraid to say it. I wonder why. You think we're gonna make fun of you? You should be used to that by now.

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This is a report. It's not an investigation. Anything that did not boost the government version of things was excluded. Actually, this report is a joke.

One building got hit head on, the other at an angle. Most of the fuel ignited outside the building. This one, that got hit second with less damage, fell first. The majority of the infrastructure was unaffected.

They didn't fall the way buildings fall at all - they fell the way buildings fall with destruction charges, but otherwise no buildings have ever fallen this way before.

They were hit at the top quarter and third part of their structures - which means they had up to 75% of the building to support the upper floors. You can't say there was nothing to support the upper floors.

Jet fuel doesn't burn long enough or hot enough to soften metal.

You're wrong about the claims - the government claimed the fire/s brought down the towers.

The towers weren't nearly sliced in half. They were built to withstand a jumbo jet crash. They were "sliced" two thirds and three quarters of the way up. The only part of the plane that could have damaged the building's structure was the engine. The rest is light weight and aluminum.

Not much concrete fell, actually. It was mostly turned to dust, by some magical process.


True, you're right, I did say that. But I was being facetious. Obviously fires don't bring down steel buildings.


Just from that pic you can tell that it wasn't 25% of the building was compromised.

Regardless, the building fell straight down - vertically, symetrically - which is hard to achieve with controlled demolitions generally, but the ultimate goal and the only time and method where buildings collapse straight down.


Nope. Check it up. Most of the debris was shipped off-site - at least, the important segments, the steel.

The dust and smaller debris may have been sent to New Jersey but that's it.


How is this logical, especially when the building was constructed to withstand a plane hit?

The plane they used as a model was bigger and heavier; it had four engines, not two, and back then planes were made with heavier materials than those in 2001, which had a predominance of aluminum parts. So 2001 planes would cause less damage than planes in the 70s.


The two engines might have taken out parts of the structure, that's about it.

Aluminum doesn't rip apart steel.

And the engines wouldn't have taken out 90 to 100% of the bulding's structure, top to bottom.

It would take about six hours to melt it if you were around 1500 degrees. Not "some time" and certainly not less than an hour. Temperatures never reached anywhere that hot in th buildings.

Most of the building's structure couldn't have been damaged by anything but the plane's engines. And jet fuel doesn't "boil" steel.

Six tests/simulations conducted didn't lead to global collapse, beam failure or anything explaining why over a thousand feet of vertical steel support failed that day.


People are sheep, agreed.

But I figure there's a difference between copyrighted, military grade thermitic material and the stuff found in chips and hard drives... or they wouldn't have published a paper on the stuff...

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Rochard

I never heard this.

However, I just watched a video where a small jet plane crashed into a concrete wall and I don't recall seeing any fuel after the fact, or much of anything after the fact?

What's your point? Now your saying there wasn't a plane that crashed into that field? If not, what was it? And where did all of those people go? Did they line them up at the airport, put a bullet to the back of their head, and shoot them dead? Where are the bodies? How come no one has come forward about this?

Your picking out one thing from a huge investigation and blowing up into something huge and coming to a conclusion saying "there was no jet fuel, thus there was no plane". Which obviously isn't possible.

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Rochard

Your pointing out what looks like a website a ten year old put together and asking me to believe in what it says and that's just not happening. Any jackass can put together a website and make up such claims. Anyone can do this.

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Let's shift to the Pentagon then.... you expect me to believe a commercial jumbo jetliner full of passengers, "vaporized" into a 20' foot wide hole in a wall without a trace?

really?

do you know how hot Titanium has to get to vanish completely? Where are the engines? Why isn't the hole in the wall massive? Planes still have wings right? Where is the damage from the wings? And again I ask.... how can there not be a single piece of that plane left? Why did the government run around like headless chickens confiscating all the surrounding area video? And why are we not allowed to see said video?

Titanium:

Physical properties:
Phase solid
Density (near r.t.) 4.506 g·cm−3
Liquid density at m.p. 4.11 g·cm−3
Melting point 1941 K, 1668 °C, 3034 °F
Boiling point 3560 K, 3287 °C, 5949 °F
Heat of fusion 14.15 kJ·mol−1
Heat of vaporization 425 kJ·mol−1
Specific heat capacity (25 °C) 25.060 J·mol−1·K−1

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Rochard

Okay, at this point I think you haven't done any reading on 9/11 at all other than reading a single website that the so called truth movement put up.

Here's some pictures from the Flight 93 crash site... They weren't too hard to find really.





Here's one of the engines....

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The Trash Heap

Where do you get these fucking retarded ideas from you fucking idiot?

They found all kinds of debris including a huge piece of fucking landinggear in the Pentagon itself?
Wtf man? 9 years later and plenty of pictures with plane parts later you come here telling us there we no plane parts at all?

Wtf is going on in that peasized brain of yours? Did you really drink that much alcohol that you're this fucking retarded now or what?

How the fuck can you get this fucking stupid. Jesus christ. Unbelievable.

The Trash Heap

People like Amp and Mediaguy don't care about these kind of pictures. Pictures that show plane parts. They ignore it. They care about made up stories from retard conspiracy sites that show no evidence whatsoever.

He read somewhere no fuel was found so that means there was no plane. The fact that you show plane parts is less strong evidence for him. That's how they lunatics work.

The Trash Heap

I can show the pictures from the Pentagon plane parts to Amp now but he won't care about it. A big fucking landing gear inside the Pentagon is no evidence for him whatsoever. However the fact that inside his walnutbrain he believes that the wings should've stayed intact is evidence to him that no plane entered the Pentagon.

You see what i'm saying? How these retards think?

The Trash Heap

The 100's of videos showing planes flying into the wtc towers is no evidence for Amp that planes were used. Not at all. Totally not important to him.

The fact that they didn't find big plane parts IS evidence to him no planes were used.

People like him should be forced to get mental help. It scares me that people like him are free to go and do and say whatever they want. They shouldn't have that freedom. It's bad for them and could possibly be very bad for other (sane) people.

Amputate Your Head

hahahaha trash heap is imploding

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