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Old 10-09-2002, 10:35 AM   #301
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I am not afraid to call someone wrong when he does something, says something, stands for something, or engages in something that violates the values in which are considered most common in the free world. I guess I should start by saying that Punkworld just reported that society is screaming for his musings. Do you think that that's merely sloppy reporting on Punkworld's part? I don't. I think that it's a deliberate attempt to gum up what were once great ideas.

Shame on him for thinking that people like you and me are unsophisticated! He wants us to feel sorry for the rash, quixotic nymphomaniacs who intensify race hatred. I myself insist we should instead feel sorry for their victims, all of whom know full well that Punkworld's myrmidons have learned their scripts well, and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. I've said this before, and I'll say it again, but Punkworld has, at times, called me "peremptory" or "self-satisfied". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to tap into the national resurgence of overt absenteeism. Although he won't admit it, I frequently talk about how two wrongs don't make a right. I would drop the subject, except that I don't see how he can be so unsympathetic -- and Punkworld knows it.
First of all, I have called you "peremptory"??? I don't even know what it means! (just looked it up, and now I do... and indeed you seem overly self-assured, not allowing any reasonable debate)

Secondly, you keep on trying - admittedly, very eloquently - to avoid even the slightest bit of argumentation. If you were to refrain from empty rhetoric and would present compelling argumentation, you might be able to change my mind on the subject. I can be persuaded by good arguments, however, you fail to present any.

Third, "I am not afraid to call someone wrong when he does something, says something, stands for something, or engages in something that violates the values in which are considered most common in the free world. "
Which "common values of the free world" exactly do I violate?
I believe in freedom, equal human rights, people over economics and conserving the environment so my children can have a long and healthy life. Now, if the "common values of the free world" do not include these things, I for one think they should be changed.

Fourth, I never said I think most people here are unsophisticated. I consider people like bhutocracy very sophisticated, even if I sometimes may not agree with them. However, I do consider people yelling "nuke all the arab pieces of shit" unsophisticated, I must admit that.

Now, in your next post, please provide some argumentation instead of empty rhetoric and accusations. Those get boring after a while.
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:43 AM   #302
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Ahh.....I don't think so. I think the word falls into a wide range of words that are considered to be intellectualizing bull shit.
what about made up ones like "myrmidons"?
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:48 AM   #303
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what about made up ones like "myrmidons"?
Better check your dictionary, I did. He actually used it in proper context too.
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:51 AM   #304
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Better check your dictionary, I did.
it was a joke.. hence the ""... light-heartedly poking fun at his sesquipedality

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First of all, I have called you "peremptory"??? I don't even know what it means! (just looked it up, and now I do... and indeed you seem overly self-assured, not allowing any reasonable debate)

Secondly, you keep on trying - admittedly, very eloquently - to avoid even the slightest bit of argumentation. If you were to refrain from empty rhetoric and would present compelling argumentation, you might be able to change my mind on the subject. I can be persuaded by good arguments, however, you fail to present any.

Third, "I am not afraid to call someone wrong when he does something, says something, stands for something, or engages in something that violates the values in which are considered most common in the free world. "
Which "common values of the free world" exactly do I violate?
I believe in freedom, equal human rights, people over economics and conserving the environment so my children can have a long and healthy life. Now, if the "common values of the free world" do not include these things, I for one think they should be changed.

Fourth, I never said I think most people here are unsophisticated. I consider people like bhutocracy very sophisticated, even if I sometimes may not agree with them. However, I do consider people yelling "nuke all the arab pieces of shit" unsophisticated, I must admit that.

Now, in your next post, please provide some argumentation instead of empty rhetoric and accusations. Those get boring after a while.

Because of Punkworlds attitude, I usually don't respond to his grievances. Let me preface my discussion by quickly reasserting a familiar theme of my previous posts: Punkworld thinks that divine ichor flows through his veins. Of course, thinking so doesn't make it so. Leaving aside the behavior of other uncompromising kleptomaniacs, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt, and every intellectually honest person knows it. Lastly, Punkworld has an almost mystical faith in metagrobolism.
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Old 10-09-2002, 10:54 AM   #306
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News flash....a composition of words does not an intellect make.
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Old 10-09-2002, 11:00 AM   #307
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it was a joke.. hence the ""... light-heartedly poking fun at his sesquipedality
"sesquipedality" now that is a made up word. Proper usage would be "poking fun at his sesquipedalian use of words."
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"sesquipedality" now that is a made up word. Proper usage would be "poking fun at his sesquipedalian use of words."
1 entry found for Sesquipedality.

Sesquipedality

n : using long words

unlike "myrmidons" I knew this one
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1 entry found for Sesquipedality.

Sesquipedality

n : using long words

unlike "myrmidons" I knew this one
My dictionary is Merriam Websters Deluxe Dictionary Tenth Collegiate Edition copyright 1998. I guess I need to upgrade because sesquipedality is not in it. Only sesquipedalian.
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My dictionary is Merriam Websters Deluxe Diectionary Tenth Collegiate Edition copyright 1998. I guess I need to upgrade because sesquipedality is not in it. Only sesquipedalian.
you use tree offal still? dictionary.com

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Old 10-09-2002, 11:28 AM   #311
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you use tree offal still? dictionary.com
I have been. Apparently it is time to switch. I bought the dictionary when I was taking a class in critical writing at a Community College. The instructor had a Doctorate and loved using sesquipedalian words. I think I spent more time with the dictionary than I did with any other aspects of the course.
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The thing I'm the most frightened about is that every time Punkworld utters or writes a statement that supports factionalism -- even indirectly -- it sends a message that university professors must conform their theses and conclusions to Punkworld's psychotic prejudices if they want to publish papers and advance their careers. I honestly insist we mustn't let him make such statements, partly because he will simply continue to cause distress to people he doesn't know, has never seen, and who have done him no harm whatsoever, but primarily because to get even the simplest message into the consciousness of baleful losers, it has to be repeated at least 50 times. Now, I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you the following 50 times, but his reinterpretations of historic events are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. We must fix our sights on the distant future, when we will have finally cleared away the spiritual and physical debris of the Punkworld era. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. Punkworld does, and that's why I want to thank him for his snow jobs. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how rapacious Punkworld can be. I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with him. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I address the continued social injustice shown by tyrannical, tactless fiends. If I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prissy than Punkworld.

Let's understand one fundamental fact: I myself have to wonder where he got the idea that it is my view that black is white and night is day. This sits hard with me, because it is simply not true, and I've never written anything to imply that it is. I'm not writing this letter for your entertainment. I'm not even writing it for your education. I'm writing it for our very survival. As a consistently mortified observer of Punkworld's warnings, I can't help but want to dispense justice.

Punkworld shouldn't encourage a deadly acceptance of intolerance. That's just plain common sense. Of course, the people who appreciate his jibes are those who eagerly root up common sense, prominently hold it out, and decry it as poison with astonishing alacrity. Perhaps he received his information (or rather, misinformation) from late-night television programs and "B" movies.

Predatory megalomaniacs are sharply focused on an immediate goal: to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of a slatternly coterie of Marxism. In order to empower the oppressed to control their own lives, we must enable adversaries to meet each other and establish direct personal bonds which contradict the stereotypes they rely upon to power their phlegmatic solutions. And that's just the first step. Remember, if Punkworld continues to dump effluent into creeks, lakes, streams, and rivers, crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. I repeat: He claims that Fabianism is the key to world peace. That claim illustrates a serious reasoning fallacy, one that is pandemic in his tirades. Then again, today, we might have let Punkworld squeeze every last drop of blood from our overworked, overtaxed bodies. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will renew those institutions of civil society -- like families, schools, churches, and civic groups -- that anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a sense of moral good. The "facts" he has often stated contain some serious distortions. Some are blatant; others are subtle. One of the most unregenerate is his discussion of self-absorbed saboteurs.

It seems to me that Punkworld is both heartless and rotten. Now there's a dangerous combination if I've ever seen one. He wants to conduct business in a patronizing, choleric way. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom, then you should be working with me to ring the bells of truth. I predict that in a lustrum or two, people will generally agree that he is not above the law. This is a prediction that will not be true in all cases, but it is expected to become more common as time passes. Lastly, for those who read this letter, I hope you take it to heart and pass this message on to others.
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The thing I'm the most frightened about is that every time Punkworld utters or writes a statement that supports factionalism -- even indirectly -- it sends a message that university professors must conform their theses and conclusions to Punkworld's psychotic prejudices if they want to publish papers and advance their careers. I honestly insist we mustn't let him make such statements, partly because he will simply continue to cause distress to people he doesn't know, has never seen, and who have done him no harm whatsoever, but primarily because to get even the simplest message into the consciousness of baleful losers, it has to be repeated at least 50 times. Now, I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you the following 50 times, but his reinterpretations of historic events are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. We must fix our sights on the distant future, when we will have finally cleared away the spiritual and physical debris of the Punkworld era. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. Punkworld does, and that's why I want to thank him for his snow jobs. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how rapacious Punkworld can be. I do not propose a supernatural solution to the problems we're having with him. Instead, I propose a practical, realistic, down-to-earth approach that requires only that I address the continued social injustice shown by tyrannical, tactless fiends. If I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less prissy than Punkworld.

Let's understand one fundamental fact: I myself have to wonder where he got the idea that it is my view that black is white and night is day. This sits hard with me, because it is simply not true, and I've never written anything to imply that it is. I'm not writing this letter for your entertainment. I'm not even writing it for your education. I'm writing it for our very survival. As a consistently mortified observer of Punkworld's warnings, I can't help but want to dispense justice.

Punkworld shouldn't encourage a deadly acceptance of intolerance. That's just plain common sense. Of course, the people who appreciate his jibes are those who eagerly root up common sense, prominently hold it out, and decry it as poison with astonishing alacrity. Perhaps he received his information (or rather, misinformation) from late-night television programs and "B" movies.

Predatory megalomaniacs are sharply focused on an immediate goal: to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of a slatternly coterie of Marxism. In order to empower the oppressed to control their own lives, we must enable adversaries to meet each other and establish direct personal bonds which contradict the stereotypes they rely upon to power their phlegmatic solutions. And that's just the first step. Remember, if Punkworld continues to dump effluent into creeks, lakes, streams, and rivers, crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. I repeat: He claims that Fabianism is the key to world peace. That claim illustrates a serious reasoning fallacy, one that is pandemic in his tirades. Then again, today, we might have let Punkworld squeeze every last drop of blood from our overworked, overtaxed bodies. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will renew those institutions of civil society -- like families, schools, churches, and civic groups -- that anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a sense of moral good. The "facts" he has often stated contain some serious distortions. Some are blatant; others are subtle. One of the most unregenerate is his discussion of self-absorbed saboteurs.

It seems to me that Punkworld is both heartless and rotten. Now there's a dangerous combination if I've ever seen one. He wants to conduct business in a patronizing, choleric way. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom, then you should be working with me to ring the bells of truth. I predict that in a lustrum or two, people will generally agree that he is not above the law. This is a prediction that will not be true in all cases, but it is expected to become more common as time passes. Lastly, for those who read this letter, I hope you take it to heart and pass this message on to others.
Consider the message to have been passed.
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go fuck yourself americans you are sending your guys to find death in desert just for reaching some oil mineral producing area
I dislike war - ok it is not my business
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We got a chatboard playing macho oneupmanship and suffering for a servere bout of testosterone poisoning??

There is a few insane people on this planet and they ain't all in Iraq or any other "enemy country of the day"...
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We got a chatboard playing macho oneupmanship and suffering for a servere bout of testosterone poisoning??

There is a few insane people on this planet and they ain't all in Iraq or any other "enemy country of the day"...
Congratulations to Webby for chanting incessantly that the sky is falling and America is causing it. That honestly wins the prize for being the most arrogant and gutless thing I've ever heard. The full truth of my conclusion I shall develop in the course of this letter, but the conclusion's general outline is that his smears are a load of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an alternative from the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well -- because by refusing to act, by refusing to get my message about Webby out to the world, we are giving Webby the power to make me the target of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of attacks. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people. I can therefore assure you that the biggest difference between me and Webby is that Webby wants to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. I, on the other hand, want to protect the interests of the general public against the greed and unreason of what I call apolaustic nobodies.
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Oh fuck!! Fine words there! I seem to get the impression you thought I was gunning for ya?? Don't think so!!


You are entitled to your thoughts/opioions and I sure ain't objecting!!
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But one thing... try to avoid telling me wot I think?? Cos it has no resemblance to your comments - got may just a "little" more sense that that!
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But one thing... try to avoid telling me wot I think?? Cos it has no resemblance to your comments - got may just a "little" more sense that that!
Do you ever wake up in the morning thinking, "Webby's cop-outs represent the most pigheaded form of moral turpitude conceivable?" Well, so do I. To get immediately to the point, Webby intends to create a new social class. Perverted Neanderthals, soporific loan sharks, and incorrigible fast-buck artists will be given aristocratic status. The rest of us will be forced into serving as their underlings. Let's be frank: If the only way to do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on his part to divert attention from his unprovoked aggression is for me to react, on cue, to the trigger-words that he has inserted into my mind by dint of endless repetition, then so be it. It would unquestionably be worth it, because Webby is out to advertise "magical" diets and bogus weight-loss pills. And when we play his game, we become accomplices. As a parting thought, remember that Webby is allergic to any idea that isn't raucous.
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Now that IS choice!!! Full of your usual assumptions I notice! Too stupid to bother with!

Basically you don't know shit about what I "think" - so shut the fuck up for a while?
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I have just read some of your crap.. hell.. unbelievable! You don't know one single thing about what I think and ya go rambling on about "social classes" I want to create and hell know what else...

Man.. you got a problem!!
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I have just read some of your crap.. hell.. unbelievable! You don't know one single thing about what I think and ya go rambling on about "social classes" I want to create and hell know what else...

Man.. you got a problem!!
I had the notion that I would write about something positive and optimistic instead of going on about how lascivious Webby is. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of anything particularly positive to write about. So, instead, I'll just tell you that by an odd twist of fate, Webby is nothing if not amateurish. Let me preface my discussion by quickly reasserting a familiar theme of my previous letters: Webby claims that governments should have the right to lie to their own subjects or to other governments. I believe that the absurdities within that claim speak for themselves, although I should add that every time Webby gets caught trying to test another formula for silencing serious opposition, he promises he'll never do so again. Subsequently, his functionaries always jump in and explain that he really shouldn't be blamed even if he does, because, as they maintain, the most valuable skill one can have is to be able to lie convincingly. Something that I have heard repeated several times from various sources -- a sort of "tag line" for Webby -- is, "We should go out and renege on an incredibly large number of promises. And when we're done with that, we'll all convince people that their peers are already riding the Webby bandwagon and will think ill of them if they don't climb aboard, too." This is not a direct quote, nor have I heard it from Webby's lips directly, but several sources have paraphrased the content to me in near-enough ways that I feel fairly confident it actually was said. And to be honest, I have no trouble believing it. Before you read this letter, you might have thought that everything is happy and fine and good. Now you know that Webby is a prime example of the ignorance, naivete, and plain old stupidity that he so adamantly criticizes.
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Asshole... a genuine asshole is not really that common, but I reckon I found one!

Grow up asshole!
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Asshole... a genuine asshole is not really that common, but I reckon I found one!

Grow up asshole!
There are a number of reasons Webby isn't telling us as to why he wants to create a climate in which it will be assumed that our achievements reflect not individual worth, talent, or skill, but special consideration. In this letter, I will expose those reasons one-by-one, on the principle that his modes of thought will have consequences -- very serious consequences. And we ought to begin doing something about that. He says that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. But then he turns around and says that he is beyond reproach. You know, you can't have it both ways, Webby. As amazing as it seems, he has no moral qualities whatsoever. To cap that off, only the impartial and unimpassioned mind will even consider that he spouts a lot of numbers whenever he wants to make a point. He then subjectively interprets those numbers to support his ploys while ignoring the fact that for his own sake, he should not play on people's conscious and unconscious belief structures. Sad, but true. And it'll only get worse if he finds a way to exercise control through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation. A final word: Webby is so intolerantly devoted to his own prejudices that his perception of reality is totally warped.
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You are just too funny How long does it take ya to write such utter crap in terms that is "designed" to be clever?

Sheesh... get a life!
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:09 PM   #326
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Got a few around this computer in the office now and general thoughts are you are ... well, mentally imbalanced.. but hell.. I don't know ya, it ain't for me to say! You angry about something or just passing the time?? *g*
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:15 PM   #327
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Got a few around this computer in the office now and general thoughts are you are ... well, mentally imbalanced.. but hell.. I don't know ya, it ain't for me to say! You angry about something or just passing the time?? *g*
I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and treat the disease, not the symptoms. Are you prepared to discuss this, Webby? So long as the devastating inequities that characterize our society persist, his peons will be unable to deny that Webby maintains that it is his moral imperative to rally for a cause that is completely void of moral, ethical, or legal validity. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that if he is victorious in his quest to beat plowshares into swords, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity. Would we, as thinking people, believe crooks who tried to tell us we're all mumpish? I say "no."
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:15 PM   #328
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:23 PM   #329
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DUH??? I wasn't even "dicussing" anything with you?? What were we supposed to be discussing??

I never actually had *any* discussion with you, only commented on some testosterone imbalance

All I see is some diatribe on your part assuming this and that about every subject under the sun.

Na.. got no interest in wasting time with an asshole on "social classes" and assumptions of "beliefs" - I got work to do!

Can't be bothered to read your shit anyway.. too boring!

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Old 10-09-2002, 06:23 PM   #330
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:30 PM   #331
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DUH??? I wasn't even "dicussing" anything with you?? What were we supposed to be discussing??

I never actually had *any* discussion with you, only commented on some testosterone imbalance

All I see is some diatribe on your part assuming this and that about every subject under the sun.

Na.. got no interest in wasting time with an asshole on "social classes" and assumptions of "beliefs" - I got work to do!

Can't be bothered to read your shit anyway.. too boring!

For those of you who don't know, today, we might have let Webby replace law and order with anarchy and despotism. Tomorrow, we won't. Instead, we will tackle the multinational death machine that Webby is currently constructing. To put this in context, he does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Webby discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the ideas that they represent. For all his bombast about freedom, liberty, and tolerance, he still wants to pooh-pooh the concerns of others, and I'm not making that up! His methods of interpretation are popular among confused suborners of perjury, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to accept them. While the concept of broad-based peace and social justice coalitions remains desirable, you should not ask, "Is Webby so virulent as to think that this can go on forever?", but rather, "Why does Webby have to be such a party pooper?". The latter question is the better one to ask, because when Webby says that those who disagree with him should be cast into the outer darkness, should be shunned, should starve, that's just a load of spucatum tauri.
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:31 PM   #332
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:37 PM   #333
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Ever did any auditions for a comedy spot with Jay Leno?

Now ya got us all in stitches here!!!! *lol*

But, I have to admit you are entitled to your ramblings and hypothisis on this and that and I just don't give a damn! *g*

As simple beings, we are all going out to dinner now and will contemplate your thoughts over dinner - that should take 30 seconds.

Thanks of the amusement PP! You deserve a toast this evening and I'll be pleased to raise the glass!!

Peace to ya!!
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Old 10-09-2002, 06:40 PM   #334
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Oh fuck!! Fine words there! I seem to get the impression you thought I was gunning for ya?? Don't think so!!


You are entitled to your thoughts/opioions and I sure ain't objecting!!
I agree ... he's entitled to his opinions. I just wish he'd post his opinions, and attribute the quotes he's ripping off.
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I agree ... he's entitled to his opinions. I just wish he'd post his opinions, and attribute the quotes he's ripping off.

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"... In this letter, I will expose ..."

... I'm not writing this letter for your entertainment...."


Your "search and replace" is slipping.
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Old 10-09-2002, 07:14 PM   #337
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Your "search and replace" is slipping.
dont blame me... its not my website... or my scripts
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just so you know... i did not even modify the text and it was still surprisingly relevant to the conversation.


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Old 10-09-2002, 07:15 PM   #338
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Bush has called off the war against Iraq.
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Old 10-10-2002, 02:14 AM   #339
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Given the tone of speeches made recently, it looks to me like we have about 4-8 weeks before we are in full-scale.
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