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Old 10-07-2002, 07:39 PM   #101
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Typically americans... convinced they're invincible, wanting to kill everything that does not agree with them.
No one is invincible, and no one is innocent. But that fuck needs to go down, now is the time before it's too late.

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"are you from one of those countries that also screams "you fucked up big time by not feeding us and giving us billions in aid?""

You mean "US aid"? Shit.. never decieve yourself into believing there is such a beast!!

Tell me one single county the US gave "aid" to and did not grab far more in return??

The US has the worst "aid" program outta all western worlds.. the "give" rate is barely 4% (was increased out of embarrassment recently from 2%!) while others are over 10% - in addition, as mentioned, that 4% "giving" has silly penalties attached - in effect it is not "aid" but daylight robbery...
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Now, think for a moment, and decide which country really forms the biggest threat to the rest of the world.
By your own thinking then it would be wise for the rest of the world to shut the fuck up and fall in line. Which is pretty much what they do anyhow when the US Eagle goes on the hunt.
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ROFL!!! Bitching about the help you DO get.... classic....

Don't bite the hand that feeds and protects you.... because someday, we might get tired of being bitten... and THEN what will you do? You gonna take on the Husseins of the world yourself?

lol..... I think not.

You'll be fucking starving in some dry arab prison.
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sorry we gotta wipe some innocent people out in the way

thats life

look at what happened to the world trade centers

3000 dead, in the name of the muslim god

yeah okay that makes sense right, we should just bend over and take it in the ass?

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The US is the modern day Roman empire and should act like it!

Democracy is based on war and expansion -- it is Imperial by nature.

The United States is one of the few Nation States left with balls.

NATO should be in control -- not the UN.

The UN is weak and has been hijacked by third world countries who deserve to be lead and assimilated into the empire of democracy.

Those who stand in the way should be crushed.

Fuck baseball -- hockey's better.

I completely agree! Never did I hear such a great modern day impression of the words of the immortal Hitler! Let's declare Bush our new Fuehrer, and take over the world! Let's eradicate the third world, exterminate the weaklings, and create the Uebermensch!
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wait... better yet... let's fucking shoot all imbeciles like you, and make the world a better place for all of us!
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I sure as hell don't want any "US help" - wot makes ya assume other do??
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"Don't bite the hand that feeds and protects you.... "

As for "feeding me"... reckon I would vomit!
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"are you from one of those countries that also screams "you fucked up big time by not feeding us and giving us billions in aid?""

You mean "US aid"? Shit.. never decieve yourself into believing there is such a beast!!
hahaha... liberalism at its finest.
you help and your not doing enough
you dont help and your an asshole.
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The US Machine has a new paint job, is well oiled, fueled up, and is warming it's engines.....
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Standard US reply... was that an answer to something????
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Yep... "needing" an enemy fast to "protect the people"
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"Don't bite the hand that feeds and protects you.... "
As for "feeding me"... reckon I would vomit!
which part of Europe are you in

the half that would have been speaking German without the US?
or the one that would be speaking Russian without the US?
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I sure as hell don't want any "US help" - wot makes ya assume other do??
I'd LOVE to see you crying and begging for forgiveness if we just kicked back and let these dictators walk all over your ass.... but see, that's another thing that makes us great.... no matter how much you fucking whine, we still won't let that happen.
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Only congress can declare war and this has not been done since the Second World War.
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By your own thinking then it would be wise for the rest of the world to shut the fuck up and fall in line. Which is pretty much what they do anyhow when the US Eagle goes on the hunt.
Did I ever say nothing should be done?
I think Saddam's regime should be eradicated as soon as possible, but <b>not</b> so the US can install a new dictator that <b>does</b> give his oil to the US. Instead, I think the UN should work together to eradicate all regimes violating human rights. However, the US attacking by themselves and installing a government of their choice will only make matters worse for the local population, as history has shown us too many times already.
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I completely agree! Never did I hear such a great modern day impression of the words of the immortal Hitler! Let's declare Bush our new Fuehrer, and take over the world! Let's eradicate the third world, exterminate the weaklings, and create the Uebermensch!
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wait... better yet... let's fucking shoot all imbeciles like you, and make the world a better place for all of us!

Imbeciles like me freed Europe from tyranny.

Never said anything about eradicating anyone -- simply to install democracy through force.

Can ya dig it?!
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Agree! It don't take an need some rogue "world's policeman" to be playing stupid assholes when they can't even spell the name of a country nevermind "deal" with one in any civilized fashion.. sad...
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Imbeciles like me freed Europe from tyranny.

Never said anything about eradicating anyone -- simply to install democracy through force.

Can ya dig it?!
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Germany is the modern day Roman empire and should act like it!

Fascism is based on war and expansion -- it is Imperial by nature.

Germany is one of the few Nation States left with balls.

The fascist countries should be in control -- not the democratic ones.

The democratic ones are weak and have been hijacked by third world countries who deserve to be lead and assimilated into the empire of fascism.

Those who stand in the way should be crushed.
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Did I ever say nothing should be done?
I think Saddam's regime should be eradicated as soon as possible, but <b>not</b> so the US can install a new dictator that <b>does</b> give his oil to the US. Instead, I think the UN should work together to eradicate all regimes violating human rights. However, the US attacking by themselves and installing a government of their choice will only make matters worse for the local population, as history has shown us too many times already.
I think the Germans and Japanese are faring pretty well. We installed governments in both countries. General MacArthur practically wrote the current Japanese constitution.
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Agree! It don't take an need some rogue "world's policeman" to be playing stupid assholes when they can't even spell the name of a country nevermind "deal" with one in any civilized fashion.. sad...
Civilized? like trying to 4 years to get the Taliban to turn over the guy who declared war on the US and was carrying it out by blowing up Marine barracks, embassies, World trade center and a Navy Destroyer?

.... instead of just going in and killing the motherfucker?

seems that we were VERY civil about it.
and the price that was paid for that civility was huge.
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*g* Eternally grateful for the "freedoms" I got, I only thank my parents I was never born in the US and ended up as a "citizen" of some patriotic neurotic world that has not one clue of anything further than Louisianna, - nor the slightest understanding of *any* other cultures on this planet - stick to CNN!
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I think the Germans and Japanese are faring pretty well. We installed governments in both countries. MacArthur practically wrote the current Japanese constitution.
Almost 60 years ago. Take a quick look at the past 50 years, and phenomena like the "School of Americas" and you should see my point.
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Well .. fuck me!!
I am gonna "declare war" on the US - so the fuck wot???
Na.. I ain't got time for this shit!!!
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Hockey is the modern day Roman empire and should act like it!

Hockey is based on war and expansion -- it is Imperial by nature.

Hockey, unlike baseball is one of the few Sports left with balls.

The hockey countries should be in control -- not the democratic ones.

The countries that do not play hockey are weak and have been hijacked by third world countries who deserve to be lead and assimilated into the empire of hockey.

Those who stand in the way should be crushed.
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Technically, it's not war. But basically, it is war with various provisions. Time limits, etc. Came into play when Johnson wanted to blast that ship in the Bay of Tonka (older guys, is that what it was? I forget my history class.)
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution

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Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

That the Congress approves and supports the determination of the President, as Commander in Chief, to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression.

Section 2. The United States regards as vital to its national interest and to world peace the maintenance of international peace and security in southeast Asia. Consonant with the Constitution of the United States and the Charter of the United Nations and in accordance with its obligations under the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty, the United States is, therefore, prepared, as the President determines, to take all necessary steps, including the use of armed force, to assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty requesting assistance in defense of its freedom.

Section 3. This resolution shall expire when the President shall determine that the peace and security of the area is reasonably assured by international conditions created by action of the United Nations or otherwise, except that it may be terminated earlier by concurrent resolution of the Congress.

This was passed in response to an alleged attack by North Vietnamese torpedo boats against an American destroyer providing intelligence support to a South Vietnamese/CIA operation against the NV coast further south. Great doubts exist as to whether the attack actually happened, but there is 55,000 names on a wall in Washington that attest to what followed - and who knows how many countless lives destroyed aside from them.

I think the President will and ought to get his resolution - but not a blank check like that one.
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Civilized? like trying to 4 years to get the Taliban to turn over the guy who declared war on the US and was carrying it out by blowing up Marine barracks, embassies, World trade center and a Navy Destroyer?

.... instead of just going in and killing the motherfucker?

seems that we were VERY civil about it.
and the price that was paid for that civility was huge.
So you finally got him??? lol

And thousands of afghanian people getting tortured, murdered, etc were not even a good reason to stop aiding the taliban, let alone throw over their government, but someone in afghanistan attacking you guys is?

We should stop those aiding terrorists at all costs right? Well, since america has declared both the taliban and saddam & co terrorists, and america has been aiding both, I guess we know what the next country to be invaded is!
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Yep.. the "School of Americas" was another great US idea... they still got "protected citizens" sitting comfortably in the US who committed genecide and hell knows wot else... but we are bothering about Saddam??? *g*

Shit.. I can see now why the Asshole was not too comfortable signing any treaty on the International Criminal Court (came up with an load of excuses and settled with some bullshit about "protecting US solders") .. truth his, there are several US Citizens from Kissinger onwards who have judges orders issued for questioning. (they of course, avoid going near these countries! *g*)...

So fuck it.. look in your own back yard for "terrorists"!!
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I know this well!!
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Vietnam didn't beat you... so I guess thousands of american soldiers dying without accomplishing anything is a sign of winning?
?? Nope, if you want to be technical about it, but we all know had we stayed in Vietnam after the Tet offensive it would all have been over, the tides had changed drastically and then we pull out. figures.
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Yeah, richest country in the world, yet 13,7% of the people living below the poverty line clearly shows good management. Just like producing 25% of the world's pollution yet refusing to ratify international agreements concerning reduction of polution. Who cares if our children will suffer, starve, die...

You are killing my future children, and therefore I will fight you. Sounds pretty good, actually.
Sigh, you know and everyone knows the Kyoto treaty was(is) bullshit. Stop bringing that up.
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sadam either disarm or we come in and disarm him

do you think sadam is going to lay down and let the usa walk in? hahahaahahahhaahha
If he doesn't he's gone... You can bank it... he's a god dam idoit.... I hope we drop more bomb's on that country than we have on every country combined. Screw that Rag head..
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Agree! It don't take an need some rogue "world's policeman" to be playing stupid assholes when they can't even spell the name of a country nevermind "deal" with one in any civilized fashion.. sad...
Wow, way to fuel a totally unjustified stereo type.

huhuh huhuhu just because jay leno shows stupid americans on jay walking huhuuh huhuuh all americans must be stupid huhuhuh. They dont know where europe is on a map huhuh huhuh huhuhu huhuh.

Shut the fuck up idiot.
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better read your history chief... Vietnam didn't beat us... we cut our own hamstrings. Our own politicians sabotaged us.
Bull fucking shit. Typical conservative bullshit used to obscure the fact that it was an unwinnable war from day one. We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we dropped in WWII, and we couldn't fucking pacify a village for longer than 24 hours. Every fucking action we took served as a recruiting tool for the Viet Cong and NVA. The liberals originally got us in there to save Diem's Catholic anit-communist ass, and the conservatives kept us there protecting some folks every bit as delightful as Saddam (but they were "anti-communist"). The people didn't want us there ... they beat us twice (the first time they beat the French, but we paid for it all). They fought the French, they stopped fighting the French to fight the Japanese, then they fought the French again, and finally us. If we'd "won" we'd still have a fucking army of occupation over there.
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Well.. you may know the Kyoto Treaty is shit... but the rest of this planet don't. It is being implemented with or without the US being involved.

As for the US... only 5% of the world's population exist there yet you comsume 25% of the world's resources and have no plan whatsoever to restrain these resources. That itself says enough.
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One final point:
Is america really interested in justice for this world? An example:
America supported the Hague Tribunal for war criminals when it concerned citizens of former Yugoslavia. However, they said they would attack the Netherlands (a member of the NATO) if American citizens would be held and tried. Implicit in this threat was a threat to Germany and the UK (both members of the NATO) which are countries cooperating with the Hague Tribunal.

Apparently, America is prepared to attack it's closest allies to protect it's own war criminals from facing justice, all the while it DOES expect war criminals from other countries to be tried exactly the same way.

And now I'm off to bed.
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the economy will start improving as the 1st missle hits.. Bomb's away.
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:14 PM   #142
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Hell.. who is Jay Leno???? You actually what US TV????

I was thinking more of the cream of US power - ask the President if he heard of Afghanistan or could spell it on Sept 10... or if he was so concerned about the "women of Afghanistan" on Sept 10th - just all bollocks and ignorance!
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:15 PM   #143
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I have a simple question ....

Why can we have guns but they can't?
because it's our fucking game... and we don't want them to play..were the big pricks of the world... if you don't believe me just ask anyone from Europe.
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:15 PM   #144
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:15 PM   #145
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Well.. you may know the Kyoto Treaty is shit... but the rest of this planet don't. It is being implemented with or without the US being involved.

As for the US... only 5% of the world's population exist there yet you comsume 25% of the world's resources and have no plan whatsoever to restrain these resources. That itself says enough.
I love these statistics. The U.S. causes 90% of the worlds pollution, uses 102% of all natural resources, blah blah.

The fact is the Kyoto treaty placed unreasonable demands on America, and anyone can full well see that. There's no pointin arguing, because anyone can see that.
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:18 PM   #146
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Hell.. who is Jay Leno???? You actually what US TV????

I was thinking more of the cream of US power - ask the President if he heard of Afghanistan or could spell it on Sept 10... or if he was so concerned about the "women of Afghanistan" on Sept 10th - just all bollocks and ignorance!
Yes, a television show, as you can tell I wasn't being serious.

And as for Bush being stupid - he's a politician, what the hell do you expect? Politician + Infinite Oil Money = president. That doesn't mean there is ANYTHING wrong with the American people though.
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:20 PM   #147
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*Is america really interested in justice for this world? *

Wot is justice??? They have the worst "justice system" in the western world! As for and interest in justice for this world?? EH???

The sole "aim" of the US Admin is to "take" - take from any country that has resources, take from any country that has cheap labour (and tell em you are doing them a great favor!) ..

The US people are no different from elsewhere, but the US govt are no more better than crooks and rapists...
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I know this only too well Swiftone!! Tis nothing to do with the people in US - tis only a "policy" thing with some very greedy people in power....
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Old 10-07-2002, 08:23 PM   #149
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Typically americans... convinced they're invincible, wanting to kill everything that does not agree with them. Well, dimwits, I guess you haven't heard about the dozens of missing suitcase nukes ("dirty bombs") from the former SU yet? Now, obviously, it wouldn't take a country to use those, just an organization.

(and no, I wasn't serious when I was saying I wished the US got nuked. however, with your current behaviour, I'm afraid it will eventually happen. )
Yes, we should sit back and let the same shit that Hitler pulled happen overseas..
Saddam Insane=Stalin follower..

P.s We know about the nuke suitcases !
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i think people tend to miss the point that the Oil for Food program and the sanctions in general, are a program implemented and overseen by the UN. Not the US. They provide for plenty of food, medication and money for Iraqs needs. It is Saddam Hussein who fucks this all up.

Saddam has made the choice to not allow weapons inspections, to shoot at coalition air patrols and to violate the 16 resolutions passed by the UN. That is why the sanctions have never been lifted and are supported by the world community and UN.

If the Iraqi people suffer, then you need to direct your anger at the root of the problem which is the policy of Saddam Hussein
this is semantics of the highest order, American dominance of the Security Council means the the US and british representatives on the Sanctions Committee alone delay and veto contracts.
Kofi Annan who was basically appointed by the americans complained the delays and vetoes were 'seriously impairing the effective implementation of the oil for food programme'

heart and cancer drugs, oxygen tents, xray machines have been vetoed or delayed, Sixteen heart and lung machines were put 'on hold' because they contained computer chips. A fleet of ambulances was held up because their equipment included vacuum flasks, which keeps medical supplies cold.. they are designated 'dual use' by the sanctions committee.

as of october 2001, 1010 contracts for humanitarian supplies, worth 3.85 billion were 'on hold' by the sanctions committee.

In 1999 seventy members of the US Congress signed an unusually blunt letter to Clinton, appealing to him to lift the embargo and end what the called 'infanticide masquerading as policy'

it's half a million children.. not 2 million like someone else said before..

Almost a third of the oil for food money goes to pay the UN's administrative expenses, reparations to Kuwait and compensation claims to oil companies..

It doesn't hurt Saddam... it only hurts his people.. and guess who they blame?? it's only made him stronger with his people because you are providing them with a common enemy.. Saddam used the money from oil to bring Iraq to western first-world conditions in the late 70's. the people remember this.. the UN sanctions committee is directly complicit in the deaths of more people than have been killed by weapons of mass destruction put together.. sure, some of them want saddam and all the problems to go, but they aren't cheering for the side thats vetoed the medicine that could have saved their kid's life.. the kid that got cancer from the depleted uranium rounds US forces used in '91 - the biggest 'dirty bomb' ever used that caused a seven fold increase in cancer rates and a 5000 times-the-average radiation level people in Iraq endure.

Saddam is the only true beneficiary of the embargo, he has used it to centralise state power and reinforce his control over people's lives, with most Iraqis dependant on the state food rationing system for day to day survival organised political dissent doesn't exist - it's cancelled out by a hatred for us.. Iraq was pro-western before '91.

take Saddam out.. but for fucks sake.. leave the iraqi people.. who are as literate and advanced as me and you have suffered enough.. even with saddam gone they've still got to deal with the uranium contamination the '91 munitions caused...
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