So Mac/Apple computers are so much more secure... right? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

Argument to someone saying I'm dismissed and told me I don't "actually run a business"? Sorry, it's been a while since grade school.

I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off my and sticks on you.

Better?

Sorry i meant a real business with more than one person.. where your hardware decisions for that year run into 10's of thousands. Arguing that you use a 3 year old machine pretty much tells me you don't, or you just don't need a fast computer in which case the whole argument is moot because you can code in notepad on a 286 and still do whatever.. So take your pick.. you run a business with at least a few full time staff and you make them work on 3 year old machines.. or thats not a problem because you do SEO in notepad and arguing about machines running fast is a useless factor to your business..

Or you're a one man show on a nice mac running out of a room in your house, slightly drunk and got nothing better to do.

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 01:37 AM

anywho.. last employee has gone.. no replies here.. time to go home and spend time with the wife... my days of churning my evening pissing for entertainment on gfy are well over ;) ciao

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Sorry i meant a real business with more than one person.. where your hardware decisions for that year run into 10's of thousands. Arguing that you use a 3 year old machine pretty much tells me you don't, or you just don't need a fast computer in which case the whole argument is moot because you can code in notepad on a 286 and still do whatever.. So take your pick.. you run a business with at least a few full time staff and you make them work on 3 year old machines.. or thats not a problem because you do SEO in notepad and arguing about machines running fast is a useless factor to your business..

Or you're a one man show on a nice mac running out of a room in your house, slightly drunk and got nothing better to do.

hmm, my almost three year old computer is a 64 bit Powermac G5, dual 2.0 ghz processors, and 8 gigs of ram. I guess in your mind that is slow. I do not have in house employees for whom I have to supply hardware.

And, I'm totally drunk, and sitting in the den of my apartment (I nkow, sounds cheap to people in the flyover area, it's not).

XOS_Andrei_G · 08-03-2006, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by notabook

I don't think that's true... Microsoft has said there will be like seven fucking flavors of Vista, and not one of those will be optimized to use DC chips? I?m calling bullshit, much like I called bullshit when Calista Flockhart claimed she wasn?t a lesbian.

Let's see first what those flavors are.

Honestly, don't you think the fact that there are "flavors" speaks volumes?

So... vista lite, vista home, vista server, vista xp, vista...

Why? What for? So we have to pay $800 for the flavor that's optimized for multi-cores because we're part of the "hardcore" segment?

C'mon guys, seriously now. I'm not even thinking with any emotion here. I'm happy with my stripped WinXP right now, because it's optimized to run with my P4, and with the fat stripped away, its bleeding quick.

...but when the time comes and I need to upgrade sometime next year, I don't think it would hurt to take a real serious look before repurchasing a windows-run machine again.

jact · 08-03-2006, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Apple fixes 26 Mac OS flaws
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6...ml?tag=nl.e550

Seems like only the start to me.

The only thing that made them more secure in the past was that it wasn't worth a hackers time to go after it, because not enough people used it. It had nothing to do with security levels.

You're just a sigwhore hater who wants page views for his sig. We all know Macs are superior because they're *nix based.

Godsmack · 08-03-2006, 03:35 AM

jeez, this is so useless..

I like using both, Mac and PC.. they both have their pro's and cons..
I like PC coz it's cheap, has shitloads of soft and i can get my hands dirty building better systems as a hobby..

I like MAC coz the OSX rocks! it looks awesome and feels chique and less amateuristic than XP..their hardware looks awesome as well.

To be honnest, i dont really see why i should choose a side..i like both..
hell, i even love my Amiga :-)

This discussion is soo deja vu ;-) it's been happening since the 1980's..

I LOVE Little Brown Asses · 08-03-2006, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

might as well go to the gap and buy the latest emo clothes advertised to be different just like all the other carbon copy emos and then complain that you don't fit in and no one really "gets" you.
Really most people just don't care because clothes are clothes and it's mainly what you do with them that counts but sometimes people just get sick of the macolytes in their shiny emporer's clothes the same way they would a loud and whiny emo kid.

looks like the jock just threw me up against the locker!

thanks for proving my point!

StuartD · 08-03-2006, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

You're just a sigwhore hater who wants page views for his sig. We all know Macs are superior because they're *nix based.

My sig does '0wnZ', doesn't it?

Admit it, you clicked it.

quiet · 08-03-2006, 03:55 AM

too funny. just be thankful for some variety. i love osx, but i have no problem with others using windows.

quiet · 08-03-2006, 03:56 AM

i also love oralsex.

iwantchixx · 08-03-2006, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

hmm, here's what I know about Macs and PCs.

I used PCs for about ten years. I am a heavy computer user. With my pcs, I had crashes every couple days AT BEST, they slowed down consistently, popups/spyware was insane, I got viruses occasionally despite having the best virus protection and firewalls, and every year or two, I had to replace my PC, because they had become so slow and shitty.

About 3 years ago I bought a powermac G5. I have yet to see a popup window. I have yet to see spyware. My computer has never crashed. It's basically been on for three years strait, minus vacations. It is just as fast as it was the day I got it. I have not upgraded anything. It is still nearly top of the line. I have not done any maintenance. I have never used virus protection or firewalls. I have beaten the hell out of this thing, and it still works like new. I have literally saved dozens if not hundreds of hours not dealing with computer problems. Oh yeah, and I can run every windows program, and windows itself. Best $8,000 I've ever spent in my life, BY FAR.

So, basically, keep finding stupid, insignificant articles like that, to make yourself feel less stupid for being stuck on a cheap PC. I'll sit here laughing the next time you have to upgrade.

lol, the old tired argument of people who can't afford a decent mac. Don't feel bad bro, just work harder and one day you'll get a powermac. You know you waaaaaant it.

That excuse doesn't hold up. Out of all the hackers, all the viruses, you're telling me not ONE of these guys has decided to go after Macs? Even after Mac users consistently act arrogant about how safe they are? You have to be kidding me. These "script kiddies" or whatever the fuck would love to take down these supercilious mac owners. They've tried, and failed. Just admit it dude.

You're an ignoramous.

Tell me why POWER USERS still prefer a pc? Cost vs performace as well as the fact they have complete control over their system and hardware and aren't bombarded with idiotic "widgets". Mac is an expensive crutch to stupidity. Mind you they have good pieces of hardware, but not as expandable until just recently.

You're also too stupid to own a computer.

I only have to upgrade every 3 years. I crash maybe once a year. Last time my PC froze up was literally over a year ago. Regular minimal maintenance keeps a PC running smooth. It's morons who mess around with poorly coded applications that end up corrupting their windows operating systems. I abuse my system badly.. I have melted motherboards and CPU's in my time from the abuse I give systems. I'm still going strong 8 months into my last upgrade. Solid as day one. It will remain that way until I retire this thing aboyt 28 months from now. Bonus is, I only paid 600 for the damn thing because I built it myself and shopped smart.

Now.. lets say you want to blame windows for your computing issues in the past. That does not make a MAC better. It only makes the MAC OS better for YOU because you are too computer illiterate and lazy to configure a good install on a PC. Lets say it's windows that is the hinderance. In many ways it is, due to the applications that are built for the thing being coded poorly and relying on OLD MS technology from operating systems way back.. so blame the developpers and the user for instability. Ok, so that doesn't help anyone to know that fact, it's still an issue for some to keep a windows OS running smooth. All the windows OS glitches have workarounds. Seek them out.

Or go to Linux. I've ran a few 'nix boxes, I didnt really care too muhc for the interfaces. So I went back to windows and customized and streamlines my os.

the mac os is based off unix. So what's making the MAC better than the PC? Nothing but status.

People who insult people in saying they "can't afford a mac" being the only reason they are against MACS is like saying that people don't buy $250 bottled water because they cant afford it. it's just stupid, can get the same performance out of something much much much cheaper if you just get that dreamer logic out of your heads....

StuartD · 08-03-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

i also love oralsex.

Which explains your current sig

tahiti · 08-03-2006, 06:35 AM

Once I tried to have wintel box, my dog desagreeded

KRL · 08-03-2006, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

i also love oralsex.

Did you get married yet?

tahiti · 08-03-2006, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Did you get married yet?

no but we had sex, don't tell dad

Quagmire · 08-03-2006, 06:59 AM

Its funny because I was involved in a discussion something along these lines on another board last week because I posted that funny anti-Mac photochop of the PC guy pulling a gun on the Mac guy from those mindless Mac commercials.

Ultimately it comes down to what works for the user and gets the job done quickly and best for them. I've owned both and used both over the years and I prefer PC.

I would buy a Mac again just as much as I would buy a PC. But the dick measuring contest about which one is better is laughable. Better is based on what you're using it for.

goldrush · 08-03-2006, 07:00 AM

macs are for pedos

KRL · 08-03-2006, 07:01 AM

Funny timing of this article today.

LAS VEGAS?Wi-Fi-enabled computers are sitting ducks for code execution attacks because of gaping flaws in wireless drivers shipped on both Mac and Windows systems, security researchers warned at the Black Hat Briefings security conference here.

A pair of hackers?David Maynor and Jon Ellch?demonstrated such a break-in on an Apple MacBook laptop fitted with a wireless card that was broadcasting its presence to another computer set up as an access point.

During the demonstration, the researchers were able to take complete control of the MacBook via a specific vulnerability in the device driver code that sits between the operating system and the wireless card.

Maynor and Ellch did not release details or exploit code for the flaw, which affects a wide range of Wi-Fi card manufacturers. The researchers have notified the affected companies and are working closely to identify the vulnerable code.

"This is not a big problem today. But, it should be something to take seriously now before it becomes a big, big problem a year or two from now," said Maynor, who works as a senior researcher at Atlanta-based SecureWorks.

"The OS vendors have been hardening the operating system a lot, so now attackers have two choices. They can go up to the application level, or they can go lower to the device driver level," Maynor said, warning that Wi-Fi drivers present an easy-to-exploit target.

"You've got to keep in mind that [malicious] people with an unlimited amount of time can spend a lot of time looking at these things," he added.

Ellch, a well-known security expert who uses the hacker moniker "Johnny Cache," made it clear that the issue is not specific to Apple's Mac computers. "This isn't an Apple problem or a Microsoft problem. This is something that's problematic across the industry," he said.

Microsoft plans to showcase Vista as its "most secure operating system ever" at Black Hat. Click here to read more.

However, Maynor said the MacBook was used in the demo as a retort to the latest Apple commercials. "We don't want to bash Mac. I'm a big fan of Mac. But those commercials are just [annoying]," he said.

Ellch, a creator of wireless hacking tools, also used the Black Hat stage to discuss design flaws in the 802.11 link-layer wireless protocol. He described 802.11 as an "overly complicated" protocol that has not been implemented securely by many vendors.

He also showcased a new Wi-Fi fingerprinting technique that can be used by attackers to spy on target systems.

The presentation comes just days after chip giant Intel released a trio of security patches for critical vulnerabilities affecting its Centrino product line.

Maynor said the Intel patches, which cover code execution holes in Centrino drivers and Intel Pro/Wireless network connections, were not related to the Black Hat speech. "It's pretty interesting, the timing of the [Intel] patches, but it's not something that we were responsible for," he said.

Intel said in an alert that the most serious flaw in the Centrino wireless driver line can be exploited to launch remote code execution attacks. "[These flaws] could potentially be exploited by attackers within range of the Wi-Fi station to execute arbitrary code on the target system with kernel-level privileges. These flaws are due to a memory corruption while parsing certain frames," Intel said.

The bugs could also lead to information disclosure and privilege escalation attacks.

drjones · 08-03-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Funny timing of this article today.

LAS VEGAS?Wi-Fi-enabled computers are sitting ducks for code execution attacks because of gaping flaws in wireless drivers shipped on both Mac and Windows systems, security researchers warned at the Black Hat Briefings security conference here.

...........

Funny thing about that though is they had to use a 3rd party external network card to get this to work.. if you have a macbook and are using the internal airport card, you are fine. This vulnerability actually spans all OS's (except FreeBSD, and OpenBSD *i think*).. Mac, Windows, Linux.

Anyways, on the topic.. For laptops, I go with Mac... for Desktops I build my own and install Linux. The mac/pc debate for me has never been about the hardware really.. I love the fact I have a fully functional BSD OS, with a Bash Promt, w/ one of the slickest user interfaces on top of all that. When I want to be lazy I can point and click.. and when I need to do important stuff, I have all the tools I need already.

My peeve with Windows has always been the fact that you dont get a functional computer out of the box... You dont even have the software thats necassary to keep the system functional for an extended period of time. You cant even call it a working machine unless you spend hundreds of dollars on extra software (or tons of time hunting down pirated copies and serial numbers). Mac is much better in that regard and most linux distros are even better. Most Linux distros come with just about every peice of software you will need, right out of the box...

anyhow..

gleem · 08-03-2006, 08:41 AM

I wake up in the morning, I run over to my new G5 I jerk off over it and then it licks me clean. We are in love and I plan on popping the question soon..

DEA - banned for life · 08-03-2006, 08:44 AM

my commodore 64 is un hackable

NETbilling · 08-03-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tahiti

Once I tried to have wintel box, my dog desagreeded

That is extremely funny

Mitch

ElvisManson · 08-03-2006, 09:12 AM

I have been using both Mac and PC for many eyars and I think this pic sums up better than words how I feel.

Martin3 · 08-03-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

lol, the old tired argument of people who can't afford a decent mac.

Care to put your money were your mouth is?

I got a $1200 a64 system and $100 says it will smoke your $8,000 G5 in benchmark tests

http://www.cinebench.com Is a good cross platform bench tool. Or fill free to name other tests.

Our if you prefer we can make it a sig bet.

And as far as security, well.......
http://software.silicon.com/os/0,390...9157023,00.htm

ztik · 08-03-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Apple fixes 26 Mac OS flaws
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6...ml?tag=nl.e550

Seems like only the start to me.

The only thing that made them more secure in the past was that it wasn't worth a hackers time to go after it, because not enough people used it. It had nothing to do with security levels.

They arn't "more" secure. The thing is, nobody uses them so noone programs virus's or tries to find holes for them. If they ever became mainstream people would hack them just like they hack windows.

XLCowBoy · 08-03-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin3

Care to put your money were your mouth is?

And as far as security, well.......
http://software.silicon.com/os/0,390...9157023,00.htm

IIRC, that wasn't the whole story, was it? Something to do with a file or folder being created by the person who had access to the mac, or something to that nature?

Not sure. Just something I remember off the top of my head.

StuartD · 08-03-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ztik

They arn't "more" secure. The thing is, nobody uses them so noone programs virus's or tries to find holes for them. If they ever became mainstream people would hack them just like they hack windows.

Thanks for repeating what I said.

lyn1 · 08-03-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

Can't read, too drunk to read (currently true), or, perhaps, don't feel like reading seven paragraphs when in browsing I see phrases like "dumb-nut" or "dumb mac fuckers".

Have fun with your next crash, your next spyware, your next upgrade. I'll be right here, enjoying my drink, with a perfect computer that works for 3+ years without any errors and without any maintanance. I bet I could piss on this machine, take a dump on the monitor, and when I wake up, it will have cleaned itself up and made me a cup of coffee.

By the sounds of it, you are experienced at pissing yourself.

Next time live up to your above statement and piss on your mac. At the end of the day, you'll be better off. And, when you have to purchase a pc to replace your Mac dinosaur that runs faster and more efficiently at a quarter of the price, you will think that maybe I should have fully read and understood all the GFY threads from people who have a job, real world experience running computer based operations and who don't dislike Macs...just the fuckheads who don't want to realise they have spent all this money for antiquated equipment.

Lyn

PS...I can understand you guys never having to upgrade the antiquated Macs. Development is soooooooooooooooo slow, there is nothing new to upgrade too. Or is it because you have spent your mummies last cent, that you can't afford to upgrade. Isn't it nice to have a high powered job and make real money. LS

Dvae · 08-03-2006, 03:17 PM

aico · 08-03-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

Windows, because anyone can look into your computer.

GatorB · 08-03-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Actually, the open source development model creates much more secure software, quicker.

That is totally illogical.

So giving everyone in town a key to my house makes my house LESS likely to being robbed?

GatorB · 08-03-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XOS_Andrei_G

Let's see first what those flavors are.

Honestly, don't you think the fact that there are "flavors" speaks volumes?

So... vista lite, vista home, vista server, vista xp, vista...

Why? What for? So we have to pay $800 for the flavor that's optimized for multi-cores because we're part of the "hardcore" segment?

Um different flavors for different needs. A basic home user doesn't need the same version of Vista that a business needs or that someone that does a lot of video editing and other shit with. A person witha basic computer doesn't or can't use the same version someone who has the latest CPU and 4 GB of PC2-5300 RAM uses.

Do cars come in ONE flavor? I'm talking about the SAME make and model? No you have a basic version and then you have options depending on what you need or want. Some people want the best stereo system with satelite radio. Some are happy with a basic system with just a plain AM/FM radio and not even a CD player.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lyn1

By the sounds of it, you are experienced at pissing yourself.

Next time live up to your above statement and piss on your mac. At the end of the day, you'll be better off. And, when you have to purchase a pc to replace your Mac dinosaur that runs faster and more efficiently at a quarter of the price, you will think that maybe I should have fully read and understood all the GFY threads from people who have a job, real world experience running computer based operations and who don't dislike Macs...just the fuckheads who don't want to realise they have spent all this money for antiquated equipment.

Lyn

PS...I can understand you guys never having to upgrade the antiquated Macs. Development is soooooooooooooooo slow, there is nothing new to upgrade too. Or is it because you have spent your mummies last cent, that you can't afford to upgrade. Isn't it nice to have a high powered job and make real money. LS

I don't understand why people feel the need to include childish insults when people are trying to talk about something like computers. I pee myself? My mommy's money? I don't have real world experience? lol, what grade are you in again?

You could probably chip in with your 5 best friends and you still wouldn't be able to afford to rent a small one bedroom in my neighbourhood, so your school girl insults really aren't hurting my feelings.

You seem to have some serious insecurity issues.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin3

Care to put your money were your mouth is?

I got a $1200 a64 system and $100 says it will smoke your $8,000 G5 in benchmark tests

http://www.cinebench.com Is a good cross platform bench tool. Or fill free to name other tests.

Our if you prefer we can make it a sig bet.

And as far as security, well.......
http://software.silicon.com/os/0,390...9157023,00.htm

I'm not saying mac's are the fastest computers on the planet. I'm saying that, from my experience of having owned at least a dozens pcs over the years, macs are far more reliable, last way longer, keep their original speed without maintanance, don't require extra security software, and generally cause a lot less headaches. You may disagree, but I've never heard someone bitching about their mac fucking up, but people bitching about windows is basically an institution. I don't like wasting time upgrading, installing security software, doing maintanace, and I definetly hate having to replace my computer, move all my files over, etc. Personally I've been lucky enough not to really loose any important data due to pcs, I'm smart enough to back up anyway, but many people I know have lost data. You can't tell me you've worked in a computer related industry for years and have never heard of anyone loosing data due to windows or pc failures.

I don't see how anyone is arguing that point. I sort of understand why this lyn charector resorts to name calling.

Lyn, if you'd like to continue this discussion, I'll give you my 6 year old's email address. You two can "debate" on the same level.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 04:22 PM

wrong thread

gleem · 08-03-2006, 04:49 PM

hmm, I always wondered if my PC was getting slower, figured it was my imagination.. I don't use it enough to get nutz about it, since I'm always on my glorious macs (I have 3)..

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 08-03-2006, 04:54 PM

i dont know anything at all about Macs. But here's a little story...

A couple years ago my boyfriends dad called and said his "internet was acting funny" and could I please come look at it. For some reason Im tech support for everyone within a 10 mile radius even though I just know the basics.

So I go over there and he has a Mac. One of those colored ones. I sit down and turn it on, it takes forever and a day to boot up. Finally I'm sitting there looking at things and I realize I can't click on anything. NOTHING. Pretty soon it starts making all these weird beeping sounds and error messages start popping up everywhere. At this point I tell him "Im sorry but I can't fix it"

So later on, we're all sitting on the couch, no one near the computer at all, and a box pops up on the Mac and starts trying to dial into the net, all on its own. My boyfriend says "what the hell?" and goes over to stop it. As soon as he clicks "cancel" or whatever, the machine freezes. Can't do anything at all. So he wrestles the thing out of it's little cubby in the computer armoire, and gets a paper clip. Im thinking "what the fuck?"

he puts the paper clip in a tiny little hole, and the Mac reboots.

This happened over and over til they got rid of the computer.

True story.

gleem · 08-03-2006, 04:57 PM

those imacs sucked,the paper clip reboot deal was fucking rediculous.

never heard of ANY adware or hijacks on a mac though, what was happening was they had AOL or some other shitty dialup deal on there, and it'll try and get the network time and connect whenver you boot the computer.

3M TA3 · 08-03-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

That is totally illogical.

So giving everyone in town a key to my house makes my house LESS likely to being robbed?

very well put

Jenny S. · 08-03-2006, 06:04 PM

I own both, Macs (5) and Windows (2). Within 8 years I have never caught a virus, had spyware installed, or a system crash on a Mac. My husband runs Macs since 1987. He had one virus in 20 years. The only problems we have with the Macs is that the suckers don't bite the dust, wich gives people like me a very bad conscience, when I go out and spend 2k on a new Laptop while the 1998 Power Book is still running.

Now, our two Windows machines are our problem kids. It's a constant battle to keep them virus- and spyware free.

Also, Macs make me horny. They are so slick and avantgarde. Especially those aluminum Power Books feel so badass when I touch them. It's a shame that nobody has ever made dildos out of Mac Aluminum, I just can't manage to get this fucking Laptop up inside my puss.

aico · 08-03-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S.

Also, Macs make me horny. They are so slick and avantgarde. Especially those aluminum Power Books feel so badass when I touch them. It's a shame that nobody has ever made dildos out of Mac Aluminum, I just can't manage to get this fucking Laptop up inside my puss.

Thread closed.

Juss Urfin · 08-03-2006, 06:15 PM

keep your harddrive in the microwave

XLCowBoy · 08-03-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Um different flavors for different needs. A basic home user doesn't need the same version of Vista that a business needs or that someone that does a lot of video editing and other shit with. A person witha basic computer doesn't or can't use the same version someone who has the latest CPU and 4 GB of PC2-5300 RAM uses.

Do cars come in ONE flavor? I'm talking about the SAME make and model? No you have a basic version and then you have options depending on what you need or want. Some people want the best stereo system with satelite radio. Some are happy with a basic system with just a plain AM/FM radio and not even a CD player.

Yes, but you could do the same with OS X. All you have to do is remove bits of it, even prior to installation. NO need for some flavor-of-the-month bull. You just buy one software, and that's it. Up to you to fiddle with it.

That's what I did with my winXP. All MS needs to do is make it easier to do that with Vista. Which of course they won't, because giving us "flavors" lets them make more money.

Seriously. As you say. It's sort of like cars with different options. If you'll take the discussion there, then what MS is really doing is the same thing that the VW/Audi group are doing. Do you know that the VW Golf's chassis is the same underneath the Audi A3, and the Seat Leon, and the Skoda Fabia? Did you also know that the Audi A4's chassis is originally a stretched version of the Golf's? The same applies to the Skoda Octavia.

Now, say Windows Vista is just like that. A basic chassis with different options on it.

Simply put, if the basic "chassis" isn't equipped to run mutli-core processors natively, neither will any of the flavors. The very "base" of the OS cannot change that much just because of "flavors". You don't build an OS from the top layer down (i.e. options to kernel), you build it from the bottom layer up.

And, as the Vista betas have shown, and as MS has been saying, Vista won't be optimized to run dual core processors. Throw in the fact that Vista weighs in at 2GB, without all the other basic software that you need to run "Windows" (i.e. anti-viruses, anti-spyware, registry cleaners, etc.), how "fast" do you think your PC will actually be with that hippo running it?

I'm not trying to jump the gun or anything. I'm just saying: It doesn't hurt to look around now, since the alternatives are real quality now. The brand shouldn't be a reason not to buy.

XLCowBoy · 08-03-2006, 06:44 PM

P.S. I do have the beta Vista. I'm not pleased with it, not by a country mile.

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by I LOVE Little Brown Asses

looks like the jock just threw me up against the locker!

thanks for proving my point!

Nope.. the quiet rational kid that doesn't play sport or adhere to any group looks on and laughs as the emo kid ghost fights with imaginary jocks because they need to re-confirm their own sense of "the world being, like, so against them"..

notabook · 08-03-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

P.S. I do have the beta Vista. I'm not pleased with it, not by a country mile.

Well yee doggy son! Yew aur not tickeled pink wif a beta version of a piece of softwrrr? Well kiss my grits! I am glad ta see that dat der beta piece of softwrrr has some issues, cus yew know dat is totally unusual fer beta softwrrr. YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAW

GatorB · 08-03-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XLCowBoy

Yes, but you could do the same with OS X. All you have to do is remove bits of it, even prior to installation. NO need for some flavor-of-the-month bull. You just buy one software, and that's it. Up to you to fiddle with it.

Most people that buy computers are idiots. I'm no expert, but I can get my way around and I usually refered to as the local "expert" because everyone else is so stupid. So idiots don't want to "fiddle" and its better that they don't.

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And, as the Vista betas have shown, and as MS has been saying, Vista won't be optimized to run dual core processors. Throw in the fact that Vista weighs in at 2GB, without all the other basic software that you need to run "Windows" (i.e. anti-viruses, anti-spyware, registry cleaners, etc.), how "fast" do you think your PC will actually be with that hippo running it?

Were do you get your info? In a few years most computerd will be dual cores. Hell quad cores will be out by then. If you have at least 1 Gig of RAM you should be fine. Hell most computers come with that much now.

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I'm not trying to jump the gun or anything. I'm just saying: It doesn't hurt to look around now, since the alternatives are real quality now. The brand shouldn't be a reason not to buy.

Linux has always been free yet has never been adopted by the masses. Think about that. And don't say it's because of MS brainwashing because that hasn't stop people from defecting from IE to FireFox.

I LOVE Little Brown Asses · 08-03-2006, 11:12 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html

Microsoft made a test version of Vista available to about 3,000 security professionals Thursday as it detailed the steps it has taken to fortify the product against attacks that can compromise bank account numbers and other sensitive information.

"You need to touch it, feel it," Andrew Cushman, Microsoft's director of security outreach, said during a talk at the Black Hat computer-security conference. "We're here to show our work."

Microsoft has faced blistering criticism for security holes that have led to network outages and business disruptions for its customers. After being accused for not putting enough resources into shoring up its products, the software maker is trying to convince outsiders that it has changed.

"They're going directly to the bear in the bear's lair," says Jon Callas, the chief technology officer at PGP Corp., which makes encryption software and other security products. "They are going to people who don't like them, say nasty things and have the incentive to find the things that are wrong."

Due early next year, Vista is the first product to be designed from scratch under a Microsoft program dubbed secure development life cycle, which represents a sea change in the company's approach to bringing out new products. Instead of placing the addition of compelling new features at the top of engineers' priority list, Microsoft now requires them to first consider how code might be misused.

Mr. Blue · 08-03-2006, 11:45 PM

Really, who cares?

I've used PC's pretty much all my life, I've built them, repaired, upgraded, etc, etc, and I've never had a problem maintaining a healthy pc. The current pc I'm on I built two years ago, I haven't had one virus, adware, malware, problem, but then again it's not rocket science to keep your pc working and running.

As for whether a mac can outlast a pc, lol, I can go into my basement, pull out a commodore 64 and have it up and running in about 10 minutes. Computer components rarely fail, it doesn't matter if it's a mac or pc.

Mac's are decent, I think OSX is pretty nifty, but I like to be able build my system from scratch, get the best components for what I need, etc, and I can't do that with macs. Also, in time, like Stuart pointed out, more security flaws will be found with macs as they get a bigger share of the market and when it does heaven help the poor mac user who's ill prepared to repair anything.

So, to each his own.

XLCowBoy · 08-04-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Were do you get your info? In a few years most computerd will be dual cores. Hell quad cores will be out by then. If you have at least 1 Gig of RAM you should be fine. Hell most computers come with that much now.

If I find the article again, I'll pm it to you. Right now I just have way too much work on hand to bother with it.

I'm not doubting current PC hardware, but it's one to have a 2GB OS folder, as compared to something that doesn't even really scratch 600mb. Linux is even smaller.

What's worse is having a 2GB OS folder, of an OS that can't maximize the expensive hardware you bought because it wasn't optimized for it. What's the point, right?

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Linux has always been free yet has never been adopted by the masses. Think about that. And don't say it's because of MS brainwashing because that hasn't stop people from defecting from IE to FireFox.

Linux is great if you run servers, not if you're designing stuff like I do. They may have a photoshop alternative, but it's still not as thorough, and they still lack a lot of crucial design tools.

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Funny timing of this article today. LAS VEGAS?Wi-Fi-enabled computers are sitting ducks for code execution attacks because of gaping flaws in wireless drivers shipped on both Mac and Windows systems, security researchers warned at the Black Hat Briefings security conference here. A pair of hackers?David Maynor and Jon Ellch?demonstrated such a break-in on an Apple MacBook laptop fitted with a wireless card that was broadcasting its presence to another computer set up as an access point. During the demonstration, the researchers were able to take complete control of the MacBook via a specific vulnerability in the device driver code that sits between the operating system and the wireless card. Maynor and Ellch did not release details or exploit code for the flaw, which affects a wide range of Wi-Fi card manufacturers. The researchers have notified the affected companies and are working closely to identify the vulnerable code. "This is not a big problem today. But, it should be something to take seriously now before it becomes a big, big problem a year or two from now," said Maynor, who works as a senior researcher at Atlanta-based SecureWorks. "The OS vendors have been hardening the operating system a lot, so now attackers have two choices. They can go up to the application level, or they can go lower to the device driver level," Maynor said, warning that Wi-Fi drivers present an easy-to-exploit target. "You've got to keep in mind that [malicious] people with an unlimited amount of time can spend a lot of time looking at these things," he added. Ellch, a well-known security expert who uses the hacker moniker "Johnny Cache," made it clear that the issue is not specific to Apple's Mac computers. "This isn't an Apple problem or a Microsoft problem. This is something that's problematic across the industry," he said. Microsoft plans to showcase Vista as its "most secure operating system ever" at Black Hat. Click here to read more. However, Maynor said the MacBook was used in the demo as a retort to the latest Apple commercials. "We don't want to bash Mac. I'm a big fan of Mac. But those commercials are just [annoying]," he said. Ellch, a creator of wireless hacking tools, also used the Black Hat stage to discuss design flaws in the 802.11 link-layer wireless protocol. He described 802.11 as an "overly complicated" protocol that has not been implemented securely by many vendors. He also showcased a new Wi-Fi fingerprinting technique that can be used by attackers to spy on target systems. The presentation comes just days after chip giant Intel released a trio of security patches for critical vulnerabilities affecting its Centrino product line. Maynor said the Intel patches, which cover code execution holes in Centrino drivers and Intel Pro/Wireless network connections, were not related to the Black Hat speech. "It's pretty interesting, the timing of the [Intel] patches, but it's not something that we were responsible for," he said. Intel said in an alert that the most serious flaw in the Centrino wireless driver line can be exploited to launch remote code execution attacks. "[These flaws] could potentially be exploited by attackers within range of the Wi-Fi station to execute arbitrary code on the target system with kernel-level privileges. These flaws are due to a memory corruption while parsing certain frames," Intel said. The bugs could also lead to information disclosure and privilege escalation attacks. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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