So Mac/Apple computers are so much more secure... right? - GoFuckYourself.com

StuartD · 08-02-2006, 03:56 PM

Apple fixes 26 Mac OS flaws
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6...ml?tag=nl.e550

Seems like only the start to me.

The only thing that made them more secure in the past was that it wasn't worth a hackers time to go after it, because not enough people used it. It had nothing to do with security levels.

r-c-e · 08-02-2006, 04:26 PM

Well my macbook arrives today, don't spoil the fantasy!

Tdog · 08-02-2006, 04:35 PM

I use Firefox on Windows and hackers have a hard time finding me.

notabook · 08-02-2006, 04:42 PM

No, they are really not any more secure, just like Firefox is really no more secure than Internet Explorer. It's all about terms of usage -- if 90% of people used Firefox and 10% of people used Internet Explorer it would be the exact opposite of what people are clamoring now about FF. I for one *love* FF because it suites my needs very well... the new I.E. looks promising but I still don't like how it feels, so for now FF for life.

Anyways, if the majority of computer users were using Apple OS, you would see just as many virus attacks, just as many exploits, and just as many flaws as Windows users report. Speaking of Windows flaws....

fuzebox · 08-02-2006, 04:57 PM

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No, they are really not any more secure, just like Firefox is really no more secure than Internet Explorer. It's all about terms of usage -- if 90% of people used Firefox and 10% of people used Internet Explorer it would be the exact opposite of what people are clamoring now about FF. I for one *love* FF because it suites my needs very well... the new I.E. looks promising but I still don't like how it feels, so for now FF for life.

Actually, the open source development model creates much more secure software, quicker. No software company can compete with thousands of talented developers working out of passion finding bugs and fixing them, sometimes within hours.

Barefootsies · 08-02-2006, 08:33 PM

OTerror · 08-02-2006, 08:34 PM

Apple still rocks boys

notabook · 08-02-2006, 08:39 PM

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Actually, the open source development model creates much more secure software, quicker.

Open Source = Communism, and as we?ve all seen communism only works on paper. Not e-paper either.

3M TA3 · 08-02-2006, 08:43 PM

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Actually, the open source development model creates much more secure software, quicker. No software company can compete with thousands of talented developers working out of passion finding bugs and fixing them, sometimes within hours.

there is a catch 22 on this and it's been debated since the dawn of computers - while you are correct that open source has a quicker identification and fixes for vunerabilities it is debated that their open source code leaves it easier for people to find and exploit those vunerabilities.

For 90% of webmasters and system admins it's not much of a big deal to use one or the other because they fly below the radar and it would be dumb luck for them to be hit.

I can say that I get more attacks on my *nix servers through apache/php/sql than any of my windows boxes on IIS/ASP/MSsql.

the Shemp · 08-02-2006, 09:05 PM

i still like my IBM 8088

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 10:06 PM

hmm, here's what I know about Macs and PCs.

I used PCs for about ten years. I am a heavy computer user. With my pcs, I had crashes every couple days AT BEST, they slowed down consistently, popups/spyware was insane, I got viruses occasionally despite having the best virus protection and firewalls, and every year or two, I had to replace my PC, because they had become so slow and shitty.

About 3 years ago I bought a powermac G5. I have yet to see a popup window. I have yet to see spyware. My computer has never crashed. It's basically been on for three years strait, minus vacations. It is just as fast as it was the day I got it. I have not upgraded anything. It is still nearly top of the line. I have not done any maintenance. I have never used virus protection or firewalls. I have beaten the hell out of this thing, and it still works like new. I have literally saved dozens if not hundreds of hours not dealing with computer problems. Oh yeah, and I can run every windows program, and windows itself. Best $8,000 I've ever spent in my life, BY FAR.

So, basically, keep finding stupid, insignificant articles like that, to make yourself feel less stupid for being stuck on a cheap PC. I'll sit here laughing the next time you have to upgrade.

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Anyways, if the majority of computer users were using Apple OS, you would see just as many virus attacks, just as many exploits, and just as many flaws as Windows users report. Speaking of Windows flaws....

lol, the old tired argument of people who can't afford a decent mac. Don't feel bad bro, just work harder and one day you'll get a powermac. You know you waaaaaant it.

That excuse doesn't hold up. Out of all the hackers, all the viruses, you're telling me not ONE of these guys has decided to go after Macs? Even after Mac users consistently act arrogant about how safe they are? You have to be kidding me. These "script kiddies" or whatever the fuck would love to take down these supercilious mac owners. They've tried, and failed. Just admit it dude.

toddler · 08-02-2006, 10:09 PM

I commented on this bullshit article earllier. I won't bother going into depth again, but suffice it to say that you if believe that shit without knowing what you are talking about (which you don't, otherwise you'd not have posted it), you should stick with your windows machine.

NETbilling · 08-02-2006, 10:29 PM

All I know is that while our PCs in the office constantly crash and need drive replacements, our Macs run perfectly, every day.

Mitch

notabook · 08-02-2006, 10:31 PM

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lol, the old tired argument of people who can't afford a decent mac. Don't feel bad bro, just work harder and one day you'll get a powermac. You know you waaaaaant it.

A few years back I bought an alienware, which yeah I admit I paid way too much for (was $4,000 w/o monitor). It was the only pre-assembled computer I?d ever bought and I feel like such a douche bag for buying it? anyways, affording the thing isn?t an issue. The issue is (at least at that time) was lack of applications and software for it. Many of the apps I used at the time there wasn?t a real suitable alternative for me. That?s changed fairly recently and if I hadn?t been using PC?s for over twenty years I may actually give them a shot but I?m kinda set in my ways by now.

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That excuse doesn't hold up. Out of all the hackers, all the viruses, you're telling me not ONE of these guys has decided to go after Macs? Even after Mac users consistently act arrogant about how safe they are? You have to be kidding me. These "script kiddies" or whatever the fuck would love to take down these supercilious mac owners. They've tried, and failed. Just admit it dude.

As for the ?excuse? as you call it, it?s hardly an excuse. It?s the truth. You know there are quite a few Solaris users out there but I haven?t heard of any getting viruses or hacked or e-molested or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. Does that mean that Solaris is 100% secure when compared to a Windows OS? Or is it that relatively NO SOLARIS users exist when compared to Windows users? Yeah, I think Option B makes a wee more since. What?s the percentage of Mac users out there? 10%? Yeah, there?s a real big hurry to affect all those hundreds of people (yeah, that was funny GOD DAMN IT

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Anyways? I love my newest PC, she?s a bit of a rust bucket when compared to the newest and greatest but she?s still all shiny. I'd have sex with her nightly if I could.

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

All I know is that while our PCs in the office constantly crash and need drive replacements, our Macs run perfectly, every day.

Mitch

oooohhhhh snap

dunefield · 08-02-2006, 10:33 PM

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notabook · 08-02-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

All I know is that while our PCs in the office constantly crash and need drive replacements, our Macs run perfectly, every day.

Mitch

What kinda hard drives? The only hard drives I've ever had fail are Maxtor. Get some good Hitatchi or Seagate drives and you won't have that problem.

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 10:36 PM

But notabook, a couple years from now, when your brand new PC is old, slow, and useless, I'll still be using the mac I bought three years ago, and it will still run like new.

That's what fucking sucks about windows. I've been there, it was hard for me to switch too, I used to make fun of mac users. But do it man, next time you need a computer, just do it. It will hurt your ego at first, but in the long run, you will be glad you did.

And, I DO have sex with my mac. That's how good they are.

notabook · 08-02-2006, 10:44 PM

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But notabook, a couple years from now, when your brand new PC is old, slow, and useless, I'll still be using the mac I bought three years ago, and it will still run like new.

That's what fucking sucks about windows. I've been there, it was hard for me to switch too, I used to make fun of mac users. But do it man, next time you need a computer, just do it. It will hurt your ego at first, but in the long run, you will be glad you did.

And, I DO have sex with my mac. That's how good they are.

Your mac will run like new? I guess, about as well as my old 486dx 25mhz puter (was an old Packard bell I gutted and ?souped? it up LOL). My grandmother is still using that computer? bet she?s playing solitaire on it right now lmao). Computer technology is supposed to become obsolete in around three years, with periods of slight upgrades in-between. Of all the computers I?ve put together, only one stopped functioning completely. Was my favorite computer too =( An Athlon T-bird 1.4ghz? God I loved that computer more than my right hand ;(

I don?t really make fun of macs or mac users. If they work for ya, go for it. I would much rather use something that?s incredibly easy to upgrade, parts are easily affordable and doesn?t make me feel like a queer when I stare at it (ok, that was making fun of macs?

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I would have sex with my pc dude? but I can?t get the fleshlight to stay in the fucking drive bays, I?ve tried it and it just wont stay. Going to have to custom build a housing unit for it then I?ll be able to fuck my computer all day long :laughing :laughing :laughing

Rochard · 08-02-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

All I know is that while our PCs in the office constantly crash and need drive replacements, our Macs run perfectly, every day.

Mitch

In our office it's just the opposite. We don't have problems with the PCs, but every day like clock work one of the MACs refuses to connect to our network.

JustynErmouth · 08-02-2006, 10:50 PM

I have had no crash problems with XP for 9 months. I run several external hard drives. But mainly Seagate and Hitachi since they were the first with the 500GB hard drive.

I have 5 External Hard Drives and 3 Internal Hard Drives Giving me almost 2.5 Terrabytes of disk space.

To me its like Ford.... Dodge.... Chevy....

Remember Guys... NOTHING IS HACK PROOF. NOTHING. There is always a backdoor somewhere.

notabook · 08-02-2006, 10:53 PM

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There is always a backdoor somewhere.

BoyAlley says the same thing.

TexasDreams · 08-02-2006, 11:04 PM

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i still like my IBM 8088

The GFY Server Gerbils keep taking all my good hardware. I told them to at least leave me a good sized hard drive, and this is what I got.

Rochard · 08-02-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasDreams

The GFY Server Gerbils keep taking all my good hardware. I told them to at least leave me a good sized hard drive, and this is what I got.

Looking good baby!

Mr. Soul · 08-02-2006, 11:10 PM

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Your mac will run like new? I guess, about as well as my old 486dx 25mhz puter (was an old Packard bell I gutted and ?souped? it up LOL). My grandmother is still using that computer? bet she?s playing solitaire on it right now lmao). Computer technology is supposed to become obsolete in around three years, with periods of slight upgrades in-between. Of all the computers I?ve put together, only one stopped functioning completely. Was my favorite computer too =( An Athlon T-bird 1.4ghz? God I loved that computer more than my right hand ;(

My powerpc is three years old, no upgrades, and it runs like the day I opened the box. That's my point here. No errors. No popups. No spyware. Not ONE single freeze up, in three years, of heavy daily usage. And it's just as fast and runs just as smoothly as it did on day one. That's the difference. This same powermac will probably still be just as good in ANOTHER 2-3 years. Can you even imagine that? A SIX year old PC. lol.

If you'd like to focus your time on your business rather than worrying about upgrading your computer, your computer crashing, etc etc etc, macs are the only way to go.

notabook · 08-02-2006, 11:31 PM

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My powerpc is three years old, no upgrades, and it runs like the day I opened the box. That's my point here. No errors. No popups. No spyware. Not ONE single freeze up, in three years, of heavy daily usage. And it's just as fast and runs just as smoothly as it did on day one. That's the difference. This same powermac will probably still be just as good in ANOTHER 2-3 years. Can you even imagine that? A SIX year old PC. lol.

If you'd like to focus your time on your business rather than worrying about upgrading your computer, your computer crashing, etc etc etc, macs are the only way to go.

I haven?t had my computer have an windows error message in six months =\ As long as you keep it updated you really shouldn?t have any issues. Badly written software for the PC sure, I?ll occasionally have a program crash or two but that?s hardly the OS?s fault. This computer is around? uh? two years old now? I think, it?s a P4 3.0Ghz, I really don?t remember when I bought it, was my first nearly-all aluminum case (which really helped on heat dissipation I might add). It?s running about the same more or less than the day I bought it. I haven?t had to upgrade it yet (because they introduced PCI-Exp, and this mobo was like the last gen of AGP, I can?t get that much better of a video card). It?ll still be as ?fast? as it is in three years as it is now, just as my 486dx PC is as ?fast? as it was the day I bought it. The only thing it needs to keep it running ?fast? is an occasionally defrag, usually once every three months or so. Start it before you go to sleep and you?ll notice no downtime.

Could this PC stand for some improving? A bit. Granted, the chip only has hyperthreading but if I had a newer video card than this old jalopy than it would be able to run or play just about anything I threw at it (granted at a lower resolution). I could a more recent AGP video card available and it would once again put me ?back in the game? so to speak for around $200 to $250.00? which is completely reasonable imo to make your computer up-to-par to the lower end new computers out there. Regardless, I personally go through computers about once every three years, and I usually spend around $1200.00 on the hardware with usually ONE sub-$200 upgrade in the future.

After I got to the point that I got proficient when using PC?s, I stopped having any problems. As long as you buy quality hardware and not the bottom-of-the-bin shit your not going to have ?PC nightmares?. It?s true you?ll get the occasional virus or Trojan attempt; that?s what you?re A/V and Firewalls are for. As for spyware? hmm? I did get one bad case of spyware once but a quick download of Spybot + a free trial of Webroot took care if it within 10 minutes. If I had taken a precaution beforehand I wouldn?t even have to worry about that. If a PC user would spend around 3 hours getting the necessary software to secure his or her PC, you would see the number of incidents occurring drop by half or more.

It?s just common sense! Would you run your car without making sure it had oil in it? I don?t know why people just can?t spend a little time making their computer fairly secure. Instead they would rather risk loosing data or risking having to do a format to fix some problem that could have been prevented with just a few hours of precaution? *sighs* Oh well. To each his own! To quote Al Gore: ?I like head cheese?.

aico · 08-02-2006, 11:33 PM

I get Mac OS updates on a daily basis, my computer just tells me there is an update. When is the last time your Windows comp told you there was an update?

I'd rather have a computer that is constantly finding and fixing problems on a daily basis then one that just sits there hoping no one is noticing how crappy it is.

Godsmack · 08-02-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Apple fixes 26 Mac OS flaws
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6...ml?tag=nl.e550

Seems like only the start to me.

The only thing that made them more secure in the past was that it wasn't worth a hackers time to go after it, because not enough people used it. It had nothing to do with security levels.

Just 26? thats awesome ;-)

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 12:06 AM

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But notabook, a couple years from now, when your brand new PC is old, slow, and useless, I'll still be using the mac I bought three years ago, and it will still run like new.

No he'll have a nice new PC and for some reason you'll be using a 3 year old piece of shit.. sucks to be you.

the Shemp · 08-03-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasDreams

The GFY Server Gerbils keep taking all my good hardware. I told them to at least leave me a good sized hard drive, and this is what I got.

haha, that predates my 8088....

aico · 08-03-2006, 12:16 AM

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Scary thing is that that is a recent pic from FBI headquarters.

lyn1 · 08-03-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

All I know is that while our PCs in the office constantly crash and need drive replacements, our Macs run perfectly, every day.

Mitch

Why is it that all mac fuckers need to justify the ridiculous money they spend on antiquated architecture. I run a hi-end advertising/marketing business.

We used to use mostly PC's and a top-end Mac, but only because we had to (Mac) because the media would only accept files based on Mac software.

Now that has changed and printers and media outlets all accept PDF'S, I couldn't get out of mac's and the expensive software fast enough.

For a fraction of the price, I run PC's that are blindingly fast compared to macshit. If it fucks up, which is occassionally, I fuck it off and get another blindingly fast computer and all for chicken shit.

Can't you dumb mac fuckers work it out - The hard-drives, monitors, etc, etc, etc. are all PC shit, just rebranded to con you fuckers into thinking you are getting better shit.

Go into any News limited pre-press room and what do you see - Wall-to-wall pc's.

When I see a Mac user, I see a dumb-nut ready to try and justify his madness and no, we don't have virus problems. What, with good anti-virus software available, spend the money and you won't have a problem.

Lyn

aico · 08-03-2006, 12:22 AM

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Why is it that all mac fuckers need to justify the ridiculous money they spend on antiquated architecture. I run a hi-end advertising/marketing business.

We used to use mostly PC's and a top-end Mac, but only because we had to (Mac) because the media would only accept files based on Mac software.

Now that has changed and printers and media outlets all accept PDF'S, I couldn't get out of mac's and the expensive software fast enough.

For a fraction of the price, I run PC's that are blindingly fast compared to macshit. If it fucks up, which is occassionally, I fuck it off and get another blindingly fast computer and all for chicken shit.

Can't you dumb mac fuckers work it out - The hard-drives, monitors, etc, etc, etc. are all PC shit, just rebranded to con you fuckers into thinking you are getting better shit.

Go into any News limited pre-press room and what do you see - Wall-to-wall pc's.

When I see a Mac user, I see a dumb-nut ready to try and justify his madness and no, we don't have virus problems. What, with good anti-virus software available, spend the money and you won't have a problem.

Lyn

So angry. You should try using a Mac more, woo saaaw.

I LOVE Little Brown Asses · 08-03-2006, 12:31 AM

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Why is it that all mac fuckers need to justify the ridiculous money they spend on antiquated architecture.

Why is it Windows users are constantly trying to find things wrong with Macs? Every time I see these threads I feel like we're in the locker room and the jock with the bigger muscles (Windows) is picking on me (Mac) because he is afraid he has a smaller penis than I do.....

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 12:31 AM

I also have an office of 10+ computers and am PC all the way after working in a predominantly Mac based office where I could set my watch to the restart sound of the crashing macs and lecturing a room of crashing macs. I wouldn't buy 10+ machines if it wasn't a good business decision from experience.. lone mac nerds can salivate over their new laptop or whatever as a geek chic purchase (much as i did when i got my kick ass dell) but when it comes to actually running a business and a whole office... well.. theres really no point going the mac route unless maybe you're doing sound engineering or have been caught up in the advertising or have a driving need to think different like the multinational corporation's ads tell you to.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 12:32 AM

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No he'll have a nice new PC and for some reason you'll be using a 3 year old piece of shit.. sucks to be you.

No, he'll have to upgrade 6 times for every one time I have to upgrade. You're actually saying that a product lasting is a bad thing? Yeah, I'd rather have to buy something every year so it will be shinny. lmfao, way to think things through.

It means more time I get to spend working on my business, instead of wasting time dealing with failing hardware. I don't care what my computer looks like (although my big plasma mac monitor is pimped), I care about how many headaches it causes me.

Macs = no headaches

PC = regular headaches

It's pretty simple the way I see it. Although I realize a lot of you who could never afford a good mac will continue making BS excuses about why PCs don't suck.

The funny thing is, nearly every mac owner is very familiar with windows. You can't BS us, we know the drill.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by notabook

I haven?t had my computer have an windows error message in six months =\ As long as you keep it updated you really shouldn?t have any issues. Badly written software for the PC sure, I?ll occasionally have a program crash or two but that?s hardly the OS?s fault. This computer is around? uh? two years old now? I think, it?s a P4 3.0Ghz, I really don?t remember when I bought it, was my first nearly-all aluminum case (which really helped on heat dissipation I might add). It?s running about the same more or less than the day I bought it. I haven?t had to upgrade it yet (because they introduced PCI-Exp, and this mobo was like the last gen of AGP, I can?t get that much better of a video card). It?ll still be as ?fast? as it is in three years as it is now, just as my 486dx PC is as ?fast? as it was the day I bought it. The only thing it needs to keep it running ?fast? is an occasionally defrag, usually once every three months or so. Start it before you go to sleep and you?ll notice no downtime.

Could this PC stand for some improving? A bit. Granted, the chip only has hyperthreading but if I had a newer video card than this old jalopy than it would be able to run or play just about anything I threw at it (granted at a lower resolution). I could a more recent AGP video card available and it would once again put me ?back in the game? so to speak for around $200 to $250.00? which is completely reasonable imo to make your computer up-to-par to the lower end new computers out there. Regardless, I personally go through computers about once every three years, and I usually spend around $1200.00 on the hardware with usually ONE sub-$200 upgrade in the future.

After I got to the point that I got proficient when using PC?s, I stopped having any problems. As long as you buy quality hardware and not the bottom-of-the-bin shit your not going to have ?PC nightmares?. It?s true you?ll get the occasional virus or Trojan attempt; that?s what you?re A/V and Firewalls are for. As for spyware? hmm? I did get one bad case of spyware once but a quick download of Spybot + a free trial of Webroot took care if it within 10 minutes. If I had taken a precaution beforehand I wouldn?t even have to worry about that. If a PC user would spend around 3 hours getting the necessary software to secure his or her PC, you would see the number of incidents occurring drop by half or more.

It?s just common sense! Would you run your car without making sure it had oil in it? I don?t know why people just can?t spend a little time making their computer fairly secure. Instead they would rather risk loosing data or risking having to do a format to fix some problem that could have been prevented with just a few hours of precaution? *sighs* Oh well. To each his own! To quote Al Gore: ?I like head cheese?.

No offense, you seem like a good guy who has made reasonable points, and you've made me laugh, but I'm opissed drunk right now and if I try to focus long enough to read all that I'll get dizzy. I'll read and respond tomorrow.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lyn1

Why is it that all mac fuckers need to justify the ridiculous money they spend on antiquated architecture. I run a hi-end advertising/marketing business.

We used to use mostly PC's and a top-end Mac, but only because we had to (Mac) because the media would only accept files based on Mac software.

Now that has changed and printers and media outlets all accept PDF'S, I couldn't get out of mac's and the expensive software fast enough.

For a fraction of the price, I run PC's that are blindingly fast compared to macshit. If it fucks up, which is occassionally, I fuck it off and get another blindingly fast computer and all for chicken shit.

Can't you dumb mac fuckers work it out - The hard-drives, monitors, etc, etc, etc. are all PC shit, just rebranded to con you fuckers into thinking you are getting better shit.

Go into any News limited pre-press room and what do you see - Wall-to-wall pc's.

When I see a Mac user, I see a dumb-nut ready to try and justify his madness and no, we don't have virus problems. What, with good anti-virus software available, spend the money and you won't have a problem.

Lyn

Calm down, breath.

Maybe if you owned a mac, you would be much less stressed out.

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 12:38 AM

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Every time I see these threads I feel like we're in the locker room and the jock with the bigger muscles (Windows) is picking on me (Mac) because he is afraid he has a smaller penis than I do.....

Nah.. thats just your wilful sense of victim hood and deliberately chosen minority mentality's paranoia rearing it's head.. might as well go to the gap and buy the latest emo clothes advertised to be different just like all the other carbon copy emos and then complain that you don't fit in and no one really "gets" you.
Really most people just don't care because clothes are clothes and it's mainly what you do with them that counts but sometimes people just get sick of the macolytes in their shiny emporer's clothes the same way they would a loud and whiny emo kid.

lyn1 · 08-03-2006, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

Calm down, breath.

Maybe if you owned a mac, you would be much less stressed out.

Another Mac owner who can't read.

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 12:46 AM

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No, he'll have to upgrade 6 times for every one time I have to upgrade. You're actually saying that a product lasting is a bad thing? Yeah, I'd rather have to buy something every year so it will be shinny. lmfao, way to think things through.

It means more time I get to spend working on my business, instead of wasting time dealing with failing hardware. I don't care what my computer looks like (although my big plasma mac monitor is pimped), I care about how many headaches it causes me.

Macs = no headaches

PC = regular headaches

It's pretty simple the way I see it. Although I realize a lot of you who could never afford a good mac will continue making BS excuses about why PCs don't suck.

The funny thing is, nearly every mac owner is very familiar with windows. You can't BS us, we know the drill.

No.. he might upgrade twice in 3 years because anyone that doesn't is semi retarded or doesn't need a decent computer in the first place.. I don't know.. some of us like to be efficient and get productivity out of their workers. You'd understand that if you actually ran a business. If i ran a mac office i'd upgrade every 18 months as well.. i'd like to see how the next 2-3 releases with incremental bloat of photoshop or whatever are running on ANY 3 year old machine.
At any rate i've probably used macs longer than you have, and have easily spent more on new hardware than you have... you are dismissed.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 12:46 AM

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Another Mac owner who can't read.

Can't read, too drunk to read (currently true), or, perhaps, don't feel like reading seven paragraphs when in browsing I see phrases like "dumb-nut" or "dumb mac fuckers".

Have fun with your next crash, your next spyware, your next upgrade. I'll be right here, enjoying my drink, with a perfect computer that works for 3+ years without any errors and without any maintanance. I bet I could piss on this machine, take a dump on the monitor, and when I wake up, it will have cleaned itself up and made me a cup of coffee.

XOS_Andrei_G · 08-03-2006, 12:48 AM

The funny thing is...

...all windows users say "as long as you have the right anti-virus/anti-spy ware apps, you'll be fine"

errr... that's the point. Mac users don't need anti-virus software. I'm not a mac user either. I run a stripped winxp pc (fat content removed), which is BLINDINGLY quick, even at 1GB ram and a 3.0Ghz P4.

But. I would still prefer having a powermac. Can't wait for the new ones to come out with the conroe's in them.

Why? Because at least the OS I'm using is optimized to utilize the improvements of the chip(s). Whereas when Vista comes out, MS actually said it won't be natively optimized to run dual core processors.

So while Mac's OS is all set and ready to run 8 cores, Vista will weigh in at 2GB and not even be optimized to run 2? Why the fuck did I upgrade my hardware for then? Why buy conroe's if you can't use them to their fullest? Why spend hundreds of dollars on an OS that is as slow as the last version, and can't even maximize your hardware?

Sounds like A-B-C to me. Dunno about you guys. I'd rather have a poofta-mac at home knowing that I'm really making the most of out the money I spent on the hardware, and actually working, rather than spending 2 hours everyday trolling the net looking for that beta service pack, and then waiting another 3-4 hours total due to load times, thanks to all the memory being sapped by zone alarm, which is the ONLY way to go if you want security on a windows-based system.

Suck it up guys. Windows is beaten. Don't hate something just because you can't afford it. That's like me hating Ferrari's.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

No.. he might upgrade twice in 3 years because anyone that doesn't is semi retarded or doesn't need a decent computer in the first place.. I don't know.. some of us like to be efficient and get productivity out of their workers. You'd understand that if you actually ran a business. If i ran a mac office i'd upgrade every 18 months as well.. i'd like to see how the next 2-3 releases with incremental bloat of photoshop or whatever are running on ANY 3 year old machine.
At any rate i've probably used macs longer than you have, and have easily spent more on new hardware than you have... you are dismissed.

Wow, dismissed, how stupid do I feel? You sure showed me. I can tell because of the way you told me I was dismissed.

notabook · 08-03-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by XOS_Andrei_G

Why? Because at least the OS I'm using is optimized to utilize the improvements of the chip(s). Whereas when Vista comes out, MS actually said it won't be natively optimized to run dual core processors.

I don't think that's true... Microsoft has said there will be like seven fucking flavors of Vista, and not one of those will be optimized to use DC chips? I?m calling bullshit, much like I called bullshit when Calista Flockhart claimed she wasn?t a lesbian.

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

Wow, dismissed, how stupid do I feel? You sure showed me.

Probably pretty stupid, but hopefully thats just the alcohol... I can tell I "showed you" because you couldn't reply with a valid argument, so thanks for the acknowledgment, I appreciate it.

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 01:01 AM

"Suck it up guys. Windows is beaten. Don't hate something just because you can't afford it. That's like me hating Ferrari's."

quoted because it's a quotable quote of quote greatness

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Probably pretty stupid, but hopefully thats just the alcohol... I can tell I "showed you" because you couldn't reply with a valid argument, so thanks for the acknowledgment, I appreciate it.

Argument to someone saying I'm dismissed and told me I don't "actually run a business"? Sorry, it's been a while since grade school.

I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off my and sticks on you.

Better?

bhutocracy · 08-03-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by XOS_Andrei_G

Don't hate something just because you can't afford it. That's like me hating Ferrari's.

Pretty much the most illogical argument ever. Macs use the same components these days and aren't really that much more expensive - it's not 1996.. For example the top of the range Dell I bought a few months ago was only $100 less than the top of the range similar spec (but PC users had the faster specs before apple finally caught up) Mac but I got a much bigger screen thats not available to mac users... so basically i got a better ferrari without paying an idiot tax on top of it. But then again i tend to use dry logic rather than overly emotional decisions when buying hardware because i know it's mostly the driver that gets things done. And even back in '96 the macs being expensive argument was never that they were ferraris, it was that PC users got their ferrari's with even less idiot tax (ok ok marketing campaign investment/small user base cost inefficiencies/Rich monopoly of platform dependent design industries targetting). But once again you have to be able to step back from the argument to be able to see that rationally. Hard when you treat a computer like a religion instead of just a tool with yourself as god..

Mr. Soul · 08-03-2006, 01:23 AM

What the fuck, my mac just froze and I had to reboot.

hahaha, just kidding.

Keep talking about your "idiot tax". In my eyes, time=money. Every time you have to reboot, upgrade your virus software, close a popup, etc etc, that's YOU paying idiot tax. I'd rather pay more up front and not have to waste time.

08-02-2006, 03:56 PM	#1
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	So Mac/Apple computers are so much more secure... right? Apple fixes 26 Mac OS flaws http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6...ml?tag=nl.e550 Seems like only the start to me. The only thing that made them more secure in the past was that it wasn't worth a hackers time to go after it, because not enough people used it. It had nothing to do with security levels.

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08-02-2006, 10:36 PM	#18
Mr. Soul Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manhattan Posts: 1,633	But notabook, a couple years from now, when your brand new PC is old, slow, and useless, I'll still be using the mac I bought three years ago, and it will still run like new. That's what fucking sucks about windows. I've been there, it was hard for me to switch too, I used to make fun of mac users. But do it man, next time you need a computer, just do it. It will hurt your ego at first, but in the long run, you will be glad you did. And, I DO have sex with my mac. That's how good they are.

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08-02-2006, 11:33 PM	#27
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I get Mac OS updates on a daily basis, my computer just tells me there is an update. When is the last time your Windows comp told you there was an update? I'd rather have a computer that is constantly finding and fixing problems on a daily basis then one that just sits there hoping no one is noticing how crappy it is.

08-03-2006, 12:31 AM	#35
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	I also have an office of 10+ computers and am PC all the way after working in a predominantly Mac based office where I could set my watch to the restart sound of the crashing macs and lecturing a room of crashing macs. I wouldn't buy 10+ machines if it wasn't a good business decision from experience.. lone mac nerds can salivate over their new laptop or whatever as a geek chic purchase (much as i did when i got my kick ass dell) but when it comes to actually running a business and a whole office... well.. theres really no point going the mac route unless maybe you're doing sound engineering or have been caught up in the advertising or have a driving need to think different like the multinational corporation's ads tell you to.

08-03-2006, 12:48 AM	#43
XOS_Andrei_G Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Philippines (beautiful place) Posts: 131	The funny thing is... ...all windows users say "as long as you have the right anti-virus/anti-spy ware apps, you'll be fine" errr... that's the point. Mac users don't need anti-virus software. I'm not a mac user either. I run a stripped winxp pc (fat content removed), which is BLINDINGLY quick, even at 1GB ram and a 3.0Ghz P4. But. I would still prefer having a powermac. Can't wait for the new ones to come out with the conroe's in them. Why? Because at least the OS I'm using is optimized to utilize the improvements of the chip(s). Whereas when Vista comes out, MS actually said it won't be natively optimized to run dual core processors. So while Mac's OS is all set and ready to run 8 cores, Vista will weigh in at 2GB and not even be optimized to run 2? Why the fuck did I upgrade my hardware for then? Why buy conroe's if you can't use them to their fullest? Why spend hundreds of dollars on an OS that is as slow as the last version, and can't even maximize your hardware? Sounds like A-B-C to me. Dunno about you guys. I'd rather have a poofta-mac at home knowing that I'm really making the most of out the money I spent on the hardware, and actually working, rather than spending 2 hours everyday trolling the net looking for that beta service pack, and then waiting another 3-4 hours total due to load times, thanks to all the memory being sapped by zone alarm, which is the ONLY way to go if you want security on a windows-based system. Suck it up guys. Windows is beaten. Don't hate something just because you can't afford it. That's like me hating Ferrari's. __________________ xxxoutsourcing.com ICQ:888-SCAM \| Aim:SCAM \| MSN:SCAM \| Yahoo:SCAM \| Skype: SCAM SCAM Submitters, SCAM Designers, SCAM Programmers, SCAM Cartoonist, SCAM Creative Writers, SCAM Video & Photo Editors

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08-03-2006, 01:23 AM	#50
Mr. Soul Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manhattan Posts: 1,633	What the fuck, my mac just froze and I had to reboot. hahaha, just kidding. Keep talking about your "idiot tax". In my eyes, time=money. Every time you have to reboot, upgrade your virus software, close a popup, etc etc, that's YOU paying idiot tax. I'd rather pay more up front and not have to waste time.