Seriously, can we get a better troll in here besides Lord Nelson? I can go to the local middle school and have a more intelligent convo with one of the 6th graders :(

Oprah is an idiot and so is anyone that watches her show.

hahahaha

yes she is, and so are you for even asking that question :1orglaugh

Yeah, Oprah's really stupid, lol! She's managed to build a buisness the rest of you can only dream about ;)

I dont see any problem with trying to lose weight by eating sensibly and exercising. If you have this self controll, then its great and i'm happy for you.

I brought fasting up because some retards here were claiming that even by eating very little and exercising regulary they were still gaining weigh.

The example had make them understand that if your body burns more callories than it recieves, then you lose weight.

That's healthy............

she built a business on brainwashing stupid twats like you with her bullshit.

Maybe they wouldn't GAIN doing that, but the way they would lose is very unhealthy, and that's the point I think you are missing..the forest for the trees.

Lord Nelson isn't exactly a MENSA member :thumbsup

How can you say it's unhealthy without doing any research on it? People have been practising it for thousands of years. It is actually pretty healthy.

Go read on it for a change.

Wrong, wrong, and somewhat correct.

When presented with a sudden fast, the body does go into a conservation mode, it tends to preserve stored fat and draws it's nutrients from your more beneficial tissues such as muscles. It's a proven fact that is supported in every health and nutrition publication I've ever read.

Um, no, not exactly. Skinny people do not have a large supply of fat to begin with. Skinny people who stop eating for extended periods are predisposed to anorexia, but yes, if they start eating they will gain some weight, and after an extended fast they will gain it especially so. The body tends to want to prevent another crisis thus it begins storing fat. Now, if the skinny person were to use that food intake towards fueling some exercise, they will also gain some muscle mass, which is always a good thing.



But I see what's really going on in this thread. This Lord Nelson is just another fake nickname of Dark Jedi, and this thread seems to be just another opportunity for this creep to cock off at people, belittle people, and make a fool out of himself.

Some things never change.

um i'm not doing anything about anything because i don't have a problem whether it be medical or lack of control. my weight is not an issue. i'm fine thanks.

i just stated that 1-2% of obesity does come from a medical condition. pregnancy can attribute to substantial weight gain AND substantial weight loss (beyond ones initial weight at time of conception).

by the same token, you do have those who are glutton. so be it. neither situation effects me and like wise.

Yeah, ok, because I am the one making claims unsubstantiated by medical science and studies, right?

I am the one who is smack in the middle of making a lifestyle change and I've done NO research on the subject, right?

Ooookay then, fool.

Maybe Lord Fuckknob should read this article.. it was only recently posted on the news sites.. but it might be a bit of an eyeopener for him. Apparently, obesity can be "catching":

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/heal...out530627.html

Doesn't mean you shouldn't eat right and exercise... but there's more to life than meets the eye :)

This is what happens when you stop receiving nutrition from food-your body does this to survive. Yes, it takes a long time of starving to get to this point, but it is the end result of a process that eats away at muscle and healthy tissue right along with fat, and it's not something I am interested in. I'd rather be fat then look like that.
http://www.chrismish.com/images/eatwillya.jpg

My goal is more along these lines:
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Healthy, flat belly, musclular thighs, round ass.

its not really what u eat, it mostly has to do if u exersize or not.
You can eat almost anything within reason if u are willing to walk/run it off.

Ok I'm tired of this. I think we should all just eat Lord Nelson.

Funny thread lol...

Case closed!

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Obesity being called a disease? That's just ridiculous. I read articles like this and I can see the medical community getting body lifts and gastric bypasses paid for by insurance companies.

Yeah. Blame it on viruses. Blame it on genetics. Blame it on age.

The only accurate word I see in this article is 'epidemic'.

HOLY FUCK :1orglaugh


"Oh noes, I caught teh fat!"




Seriously, no one can be THAT fucking stupid :1orglaugh

Apparently you're too stupid to read the article and the scientific research behind it. Not that surprised, though :P

Well most of the time it's a MENTAL disease... But it's proven that some people are genetically predisposed to be more likely to be obese, and those people have to work twice as hard to fight the bulge. This research shows that some viruses could alter genetics (which we know they all do, viruses are mutagens) to predispose people who weren't previously predisposed.

haha seven pages..damn people are really sensitive, just think i thought only race threads gets people riled up..if you're fat, be fat and happy fuck it you live once

like the robbie williams song says...."i know i'm gunna die so living well is my revenge..!!!!"

LM..I like and respect you very much; but on this one, I will vehemently and respectfully disagree. I will say that there are plenty of people who would benefit from therapy.....to deal with suppression and repression and issues buried in piles of ice cream....but a disease? no.....I studied medicine for too many years...and I've followed the research and the theories....there are factors, emotional ones that can contribute to obesity, but obesity itself...has many factors to it, not the least of which is a lack of education as to how food works with the body....and a lack of will power and a resistance to learning what it takes to gain emotional balance....so that food is not an issue....

This is not to say that there are no medical conditions that cause obesity, but they really do account for less than 2% of the obese population.

I would say that the percentage is actually higher than 2%, BUT.... much of those medical conditions can be circumvented through better nutrition and proper exercise, thus making the actual amount of pure medical-related obesity quite low, as you said.

Basically everyone is right in this thread. There actually ARE fat lazy fucks out there who blame their weight on everything except themselves.

There ARE some women out there who, after getting married gain 50 or 100 lbs, then 3 months after the divorce they lose the weight and become "hot" again (for the next guy).

There ARE some overweight people out there who, no matter what they try, what they eat, or how much they exercise, they can not lose their extra weight.

There ARE overweight people out there who are perfectly happy with who they are and the way they look, while still others are miserable and have serious self esteem issues due to their weight (be they overly skinny or fat)


People just have to learn to either be happy about themselves, or if they're not, then do something to change it. I have a sister who has been fighting obesity all of her adult life (going on 40 years now). I have a cousin who was massively overweight back in the 70's, and she finally took the step of having her stomach stapled in the mid 80's. If she hadn't gone to that extreme measure she would have surely been dead long ago. Yes, she was that overweight.

And, I know of several very attractive girls who are so not overweight, yet they eat like rabbits and obsess about it every day, their looks and their weight being a constant concern. Very pathetic, actually.

Let's just be happy today, and say that in this thread just about everyone is right. Except for those who felt the need to throw insults at anyone who disagreed with them.

Cheers all. :D

There are complications to certain diseases, such as uncontrolled hypothyroidism and diabetes...but, I was not counting those in my percentages...just to clarify...there are other diseases that exist and obesity can become a factor without the individual adhering to very strict nutritional guidelines...but, again, that wasn't part of the 2% .....

We agree that prevention is the only way to avoid many conditions, such as high blood pressure, heart conditions, adult onset diabetes and to some degree, endocrine disorders.....

I know for a fact that I caused my own gallbladder problem, because there is absolutely no familial history ...but ten years of unhealthy, high fat choices killed my gallbladder and I had to get surgery. My bad and it could have been avoided....which is what we all need to think about, from childhood on.

I luv fat chicks :thumbsup

Tree hunnet and fiddy pounds of woman :winkwink:

nevermind

No one knew some ulcers were caused by viruses until just recently either. I haven't read up on the "obesity" virus but I certainly am not going to say it's impossible.

I wouldn't say "virus" but alot of scientists believe there is a fat "gene".

We all know someone who can just eat eat eat eat and is as skinny as a rail. Then there are those of us who look at a bag of chips and gain 10 lbs.

Some people smoke socially (for instance when they drink alcohol) and never touch cigarrettes otherwise. Others have addictive personalities and have a hard time quitting smoking, and can't be a social drinker.

Some people never had to study, slept through class, and got straight A's. Other people studied all night just to get a C.

We're all genetically different and to make fun of someone just because they're different than you is assinine.

Here's the easy answer: don't have a spouse/significant other. Be single and happy and eat (or don't eat) as much as you like. Tell anyone who questions you about it to fuck off.

This is pretty recent - they are actually pointing to virus, but many, many beleive in fat gene. Like my previous expamples with identitical twins almost always weighing 5-10 pounds of each other even if the don't live together for years. It's hard to convince my black and white logical mine that these twins were eating the exact same food and exercising the exact same amount for years, and years, and years.......

damn... this thread is still going... sheeeeeet

true. people should understand that changing the diet cold turkey into a nutrition program will take maybe 60 days to extinguish the hunger "cravings".

but after a couple months you really can easily stay on the diet with maybe only 10% of the willpower you needed in the beginning (and you need to get rid of every inappropriate food in your house, and mostly stop eating out.)

clue: lots of fruits, vegetables, fiber, oatmeal, nuts, tuna, grilled chicken, apples, rykrisp, tomatoes, etc will fill you up---and if you cut out almost all sugars you will find that you can begin to control hunger pangs and stay on the program.

but if you eat just one ice cream sundae, it can throw you blood sugar into a spike and you will then go nuts and want to eat a half gallon of ice cream---so you must be careful.

you can feel very full eating maybe 1800-1900 calories a day IF you eat the RIGHT high nutrition, high fiber foods.

do that (and exercise) and you will see the pounds come right off.

great discussion in this thread :)

Here's a bump ;)