I personally dont like obese lady especially to those who dont show the will to burn those fats nor have calorie intake control.

some ladies out there are pure lazy :)

Thanks...and I wish everyone could do this....my sister in law has cholesterol problems and high blood pressure. She works hard and has two kids.....and she goes up and down on the scale like crazy.

The one common denominator that I am finding is that women have a tendency, especially after motherhood...to put their needs last in line.

The old saying 'if momma ain't happy, nobody's happy' plays inside my head and it's true. We women are notorious for being last in line when it comes to pampering and care taking for ourselves. There is always someone else to take care of, something else to do before we go to sleep....and, unfortunately, we suffer as a result...with weight gain and ill health...for which we bandaid, rather than fix.

I don't know what the answer is and I am certainly in no position to judge others, having been there.....but there better be an answer soon, because we are dying as a result of our eating habits.....sooner than necessary.

Cholesterol research has shown that the problems that finally show up in our forties and fifties actually begin when we're babies....that's frightening.

Diabetes, that is diet induced, can be treated....but that predisposition also starts in childhood.

Our schools are woeful in what they provide children for food.

And, if we don't start educating our kids when it comes to healthy eating, we will continue to increase weight and morbidity.

Here's something else. Men are also fat. While many of them gain in one place, that great big 'ole belly, don't think we don't notice. :)

I know, I am taking it personally. I am just so sick of the fat discussion, yanno? It comes up over and over again, and to me, it makes me feel like I have to defend people..not so much myself, because, honestly, I AM comfortable with who I am. I know there is room for improvement, but even though I am taking steps NOW to improve, I know my goal is still going to be considered a cow by some of you guys...but that doesn't matter to me. As long as I am happy with my results.

But the fact is that is it fucking HARD to maintain a fit body, and most women are working full time jobs, and most women do the lion's share of the childcare, and the better part of the housework, too. These same guys who bitch are often the ones who will come home from work and sit on their own spreading ass watching the game with a beer while their wife chases four kids around, cooks dinner, gives them all baths, helps with homework, puts them in bed and then does laundry until she has to go to bed for work the next day. If men REALLY care about their women..not even about them being fit, but just caring about their woman in general, instead of bitching, why not tell her you will take over all the house and kids stuff so they can go to the gym after work? Or, better yet, why not start cooking healthy meals together, and getting a sitter so you can go to the gym together? If you don't like your wife's self esteem slipping enough to let an otherwise healthy body go (meaning assuming there are not REAL health reasons she is gaining), shut the fuck up about it, and DO something about it. Tell her how much you love her, tell her you want to live to a ripe old age with her, tell her you want to do it WITH her, so she doesn't feel more ashamed of herself and her body and share even less of it with you.

It's the double standard that pisses me off the most. Not even about LOOKS so much, but about attitude. If you treat a woman like a piece of meat that's only there to satisfy you sexually and who cares about the woman within, sorry, but I don't really think you have any room to bitch about anything..with an attitude like that, you'd be lucky to have ANY woman, lol.

I do understand the point. But you know, when a woman feels good about herself, she wants to be the best she can be. Maybe if men started focusing more on what THEY can do to inspire their women to want to be at their best in the first place, none of this would even become an issue in most cases. When you takes care of us, we WANT to take care of you. I don't mean you pay the bills and you have the right to expect me to kiss you ass. I mean, you tend to my emotional needs, my physical needs, my intellectual needs, and I want to do the same for you. So, it's a chicken and egg issue, really, and you can argue all damn day about which comes first; the bottom line is it doesn't matter-but it takes the bigger person (haha, that's a pun) to say, it doesn't matter where the cycle began...it stops here. I personally think obesity is sometimes a heath issue, but far more often, it is an emotional issue..it's the symptom of a deeper disease, if you follow me. So, curing the symptom is good, but curing the disease is better. (For those who do not follow me, I mean that working out and eating right is all well and good, but it would be better to fix the emotional causes of the weight gain in the first place.)

And, for the record, I like you too, PW. :thumbsup

I think the double standard stinks, too, for the record. I see job discrimination for heavy women.....there's a girl at my gym who weighs quite a lot and she is working so hard to lose that weight, just to get a teaching position at the master's level...and she knows that her weight will be a factor when being considered for employment.

It sucks, but it is what it is. :(

One more thing before I call this quits....the ONLY way this worked for me was forcing my entire household to change their ways, so I could change mine.

That meant no more junk food, no more soda, no more anything that was not on my nutrition program.

If a guys wife never had a history of being overweight then puts on 75 lbs . The guy must look at the situation and say why is she unhappy.What can I do to help her but thats how a adult would handle it.

there is not a double standard thats a myth , I am a very large male getting jobs are just as hard and when you get it they treat you like your almost a little slow.Also this is acceptable to be a fat guy is not true I had more your a great guy and put into the friend zone. In fact girls have it easier, there arent fat guy admirer parties where half the crowd are very hot girls. lol

Oh yeah, men never cheat on hot wives, lol!! I know several examples right here in this industry :)

There are two sides to every argument and this is no exception. However I do think there are many women (and I know several), men too, who get into a comfort zone after they get together with their partner or get married and just stop bothering to make an effort. I'm not speaking of those with medical reasons.

50 husbands who have a fat wife..........

5'5" 150 pounds is actually considered "normal", albeit on the high end. It's not even overweight, let alone obese.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Funny, it's not a gender-specific phenomenon.. The same can be said about many men, too.

get real, no one is demanding perfection. just for women to give a shit. its just a preferance of mine that i don't want my girl to weight more than me. i dont think that is being shallow. if the guy doesn't help out if she is busy and only insults her thinking it will motivate, then he is just as much to blame. im not married but i think it would be sad if i found myself no longer attracted to my wife because she gained 100 pounds but i still loved her to death and wanted to be with her for the rest of my life regardless but feeling helpless to help her loose it if she isn't willing to do anything about it or freaks out and yells at you when you bring it up. none of us are perfect, lots of men are assholes but lots of women also use that as an excuse.

Aww shucks... thanks Chase. :winkwink:


Let's be real about this, people in the US are a bit bigger than average. Obesity is oficially a problem here in the states. I could post literally thousands of links of clinical studies to prove what I am saying. I'll just post one big linkinstead.

This says to me, people need to stop making excuses and do something about it. The bottom line here is there is no excuse for obesity in otherwise healthy individuals. None. This goes for men and women. None of that mental stuff is an excuse that you can really use. You know the old saying, it's all in your head! heh heh



Ladies, one more thing, just don't exercise your ass away. Let it be known that Pornwolf loves a Bangbros sized round ass with proportionately a tiny waist! :thumbsup

I agree 100%... men AND women need to stop makign excuses, and support each other to make a change...

I like you too, big guy ;)

You don't get it. The vast majority of men are overweight too, but in soceity, that is perfectly acceptable. Men who say "i love my wife but I'm not attracted to her anymore because she gained 50 lbs" is bullshit...especially when they guy saying it has probably gained a good 60lbs himself and is losing his hair. Most of the guys on this board have no clue what love is and can't distinguish between pure lust and love.

Sexual attraction to the person you love is SO much more than how much they weigh, how many stretch marks they have or how big their breasts are. It is also about a lot more than how far back the hairline is, how big the beer gut is and how big their cock is.

Sexual attraction to someone you love is being able to see the soul from within...it is about that high you get having sex when two sould become one..where you are able to be who you are with all of your faults and love every fiber of that persons being.

I give and demand unconditional love. I don't care how much weight the husband gains, how far back the hairline recedes...I don't care if he gets in an accident and loses his leg...or has "erectile difficulties" when he gets older. I'm here for the long run baby and I make my husband feel like he is the sexiest damn thing that ever walked this earth....because to me he IS and always will be. The outer shell means shit....oh hell....we all look like a fucking can of worms eventually....we all end up looking old and wrinkled and saggy. Don't base your love on appearances...because they don't last. Everything works both ways.....you get a woman that looks like teen pornstar and acts like one....then you are going to get one shallow chick that spends most of her day primping herself and demanding everything be done for her. She will be so self centered that you are the last person on her mind and if you start to go down hill, make less money or are hurt in an accident...man...she is out of there. Do you really want that? I know I don't.

I'm not saying it's a good excuse...that's what I mean by the chicken and egg debate not mattering one bit. (is mattering a word? lmao)

What I mean is that there are pro-active ways we can ALL be more healthy ourselves, and inspire the same in our partners..complaining about it doesn't really do anything but add to the root of the problem.

And I don't think I could ever get rid of this bubble butt, no matter how crackhead skinny I got, lol.

Then I guess you've never read one of my posts on the matter. I'm fat because I like to eat. A LOT. And I like to sit in front of my computer. A LOT.

But you see, someday I'll decide that it's important for me to lose weight. Then I'll cut my portions, do some jogging, and drop the lbs.

And you, my friend, will still be ugly. But you can't run for that and I doubt you can afford plastic surgery. :)

In fact, I think I'll start today by walking to McDonald's for my daily 2-Sausage McMuffins with egg... instead of driving.

Awww... Thanks LadyMischief! :winkwink:

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wyldblyss, the comment you made is true from your standpoint but men are hardwired differently.

That soul stuff is great but at the end of the day we are a visual lot that responds a bit better to a tight tummy than a soul connection. If a man tells you different he is lying. It is true. How you look is more important to us than you understand.

Why do you think so many men trade in their old wife for a new trophy wife when they have the means? The old wife knows what he likes, knows how to play the family, handle the kids and she knows where all the bodies are buried. You can't ask for more than that.

Yet and still, the guy goes for the young hot thing. It's true in almost every case for wealthy men. Sure, it's a little shallow, but again, we are wired that way.

Take care of yourself and don't take it for granted that your man is happy when you (both) are not in the best shape you can be.

Does insulting me make you feel better about yourself? :1orglaugh

Its okay to cry :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

when you do, it will already be too late.


here, let me break the myth on how fat people die:

fat people are under the impression that somehow they will die a sudden painless death, but at a younger age.

nothing is further from the truth. fat people SUFFER.

they get arthritis at 30.
they get diabetes at 40.
they are on dailysis at 45.
they have heart failure at 50.
they get their legs amputated at 55.
they have a stroke at 60.
they are in a nursing home until age 65 when they develop pneumonia and die.

this is the fat person/brian saville future - over half of his life spent in terrible health, diabled, in a nursing home, and suffering. all while being a tremendous burden to his family.

ariel sharon is also a good example of this. if he survives- and the doctors think he will- he will spend the next 10 years as a disabled mess in a nursing home.


fit people live in good health up until their fatal event.

You do realize that hair loss is genetic while weight gain is entirely the persons fault. Simple concept: burn more calories than you consume.

I know tons of girls that are a little fat/chubby mainly because they had a faster metabolism when they were younger and just kept eating as they used to as they got older and gained weight. The difference with them is they realize that it is their fault that they gained the weight and now they have to be more active and excersize to get back to a healthy state.

Its not about all about looks. If you know that playing Russian Roulette can kill you, you dont do it. Running through a free way can kill you, so you dont do it. But gaining a ton of excess fat can lead to the same outcome, so why do it?

I would like to know how you did that.. cause I live in a house full of guys that have high metabolisms and eat garbage. I have argued and screamed and tried to explain that "I want to get back down to my previous weight"..many a times.

They throw a fit cause they think they cant have chocolate everyday and they do eat junk food everyday...I even offered to go live by myself.. they werent having that dammit..who would take care of them..they surely cant take care of themselves.

This summer I am getting rid of everyone for 8 weeks except hubby. I told him he is on his own..I am determined to lose this 25 lbs that I have been carrying for 9 years. the fucked up thing is.. I am highly active, I hike and snowboard and have great endurance, I just cant seem to get the metabolism to stay working . I am looking forward to this long needed break...plus a trip around the wonderland trail this summer will get rid of at least 10 lbs...woot

congrats on your weight loss Raven :thumbsup

That's a pretty disturbing yet very possible breakdown Lord Nelson.

Some of those diseases:
Hypothyroidism: In which your metabolism slows down.
*That doesnt cause weight gain, its knowing that you have a slow metabolism and then still eating nine pizzas and watching T.V.

Or from another link.
Causes of Obesity:
Genetic influences (However, you still maintain most of the control when it comes to your weight, unless you have one of some rare genetic diseases that make it almost impossible to avoid obesity.
*Food intake and eating disorders
*Lifestyle
*Drugs
All factors controlled by you.

Most of those articles say the same thing, that in the end you still have full control over your weight.

no shit..this dude has some serious issues..

wasnt marilyn Monroe about 145 lbs

You do realize that its genetic for women to have a higher percentage of body fat, slower metabolisms, and we also give birth which we have to gain some sort of weight to have a healthy baby. I mean damn, if you expect women to jump through hoops and defy genetics..then at least have the decency to go buy hair plugs :1orglaugh

Of course I do. I would hope that one thing you've garnered from my posts over the last two years, other than the fact that I'm a fat girl, (haha, yeah, I can laugh at myself. that's why people still love me even though I am so horrendous to look at. *grin*), is that I am a fairly intelligent woman.

I was just trying to make a point, which you apparently missed. But that's ok. We all have our opinions here, and I'm here more to express mine than try to change yours.:thumbsup

Holy shit, good way to get castrated!!!

Ever watched a man even remotely mention his girl's weight?

Ack. WWIII

That's why you marry a larger girl guys, cause later on, she'll eventually lose it and it's all uphill!

Naw.. I don't really care about weight, so long as it;s not too much and not a health issue.

i call it laziness.

You do realize I was using a very old, tired joke, right? I'm sure you've read the bumper sticker somewhere:

"So I'm fat. You're ugly. I can diet."

Over generalization there buddy. My grandmother was huge and had no health problems until she was in her 70's, when cancer took her life. My dad is about the same size as me and has had no health problems. I have no health problems and I'm in my 30s. Where is that arthritis you speak of?

Nah, I'm fine. I could probably out run you for distance on a treadmill, too. Me and that treadmill can go for ages.

i hope your joking :eek7

my man has gained like 50 lbs over the past 7 years we've been together, and i still love him and wanna be with him, more than ever!

now, if he gained 200 lbs and he was so fat taht he couldnt wipe his own ass after a shit, THEN its time to talk about either goin to Weight Watchers and the gym or divorce.

but people (male and female) tend to gain weight more each year, their metabolisms slow down, becomes much much more difficult to lose weight, its called life.

it goes both ways. I started working out last month! Already feel better

It's the monthly troll thread involving people being fat.

If it doesn't effect you, then why bother wasting your time obsessing over it?

And as for you girls, you girls should know these threads and their intent a little better by now and just let them drop to the second page. If you need some love and attention, just come see me :winkwink:

Most men trade in the wife because they have their own security/ego issues and they think that having a sweet young thing on their arm makes them younger or better. I am so glad that I am not married to anyone like you....being your wife would be a terrible burden...knowing that my life with you is based on how I looked....the metabolism of women after age 30 really shows down...menopause just makes it that much harder. With you we would go out to a lovely restaurant...and while you enjoyed a delicous meal, I would eat a 1/2 side salad with no dressing because gaining weight means you would leave me and my children would be fatherless. I would be at the gym all the time because you only love the outward me....every time you looked at another woman I would worry if you are going to dump me or just fuck around with her on the side.

God forbid the breasts start to sag....I would have to go to the plastic surgeon to have an uplift every 5 years..starting at age 30.....the stretch marks after the kids...back to the surgeon for a tummy tuck and stretch mark removal. The laugh lines I get from laughing at the cute things are children do will be handled by botox in the early stages...after that I would have to get the eyes done....then the partial face lift...then the full face lifts....all the while wondering...is this going to be the year I don't look young enough and get traded in? My life with you would be like walking on eggshells...always wondering if I was good enough for you.....constant worry about my weight and the sagging and everything else...never enjoying life.

As for your words of wisdom about men being "hotwired" that way, that is just an excuse you use for being shallow. Your advice to "take care of yourself" because once I get old or out of shape or something...my husband will walk out on me for another woman...well......you don't know me :) My husband is 16 years my junior and my breasts were saggy and I had wrinkles and stretch marks before I ever met him. We have been married almost 8 years and life is very good. We make a great team, we love each other for who we are. We encourage each other to be the very best we can be, but our love is not dependent upon that.

Good luck...and please...take care of your finances....those sweet young things go through money really fast...and the older you get, the more money you will need to keep the young ones happy. Don't forget....don't live with any of them.....they will get a good percentage of your money when you toss them aside for the newest model...and you can only do that so many times before you just don't have enough money to buy the girl of your dreams.