My friend FUCKED up. Should he tell his lawyer? - GoFuckYourself.com

MetaformX · 03-04-2004, 12:16 PM

Alright, my friend (more like an aquaintance) stole about $20,000 worth of jewleries from his workplace. They did an investigation and they say he did it, and they think he was selling them on ebay

So they arrested him 3 days ago. He called me for advice, told me that he did it. He hasent told his lawyer though. Should he come totally clean to the lawyer? If so, can he still put in a not guilty plea, or will the lawyer be obligated to not put in a not guilty if he knows the guy is guilty? I need some clarifications on this for anyone who would know. I can't believe how stupid he was to do this

Fletch XXX · 03-04-2004, 12:17 PM

he's gonna do time.

if you dont come clean to council how will they rep you?

Ross · 03-04-2004, 12:18 PM

He's fucked. Sorry but its the truth!

Joetanto · 03-04-2004, 12:19 PM

he needs to tell the lawyer.

m00d · 03-04-2004, 12:19 PM

Tell the lawyer. He is required by law to work in the client's best interests.

MetaMan · 03-04-2004, 12:19 PM

why wouldnt he tell his lawyer? these are defense lawyers they know who killed who, they know everything, its their duty to keep their mouth closed.

MattO · 03-04-2004, 12:19 PM

myjah · 03-04-2004, 12:19 PM

he should tell his lawyer. they can't reveal that information i dont believe

MetaformX · 03-04-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
he's gonna do time.

if you dont come clean to council how will they rep you?

well, thats what I told him, but he is not sure...this is the first time he has been in trouble with the law, so he is clueless as what to do. He is just afraid that the lawyer will not represent him well if the lawyer knows he is guilty.

Also, this is supposedly a felony rom what the lawyer told him, but its his first tim, he doesnt have a record. He said its a minumum 3 year sentence. How long do you think he will do? Any ideas anyone?

ThePornPusher · 03-04-2004, 12:20 PM

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LOL

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2004, 12:20 PM

Tell his lawyer. The guy will be out on probation in no time.

Edit: By the way, fighting to trial is not a good idea. If the company says they think he did it it's more like THEY KNOW HE DID IT. They're just saving the hardball for court if they must.

Plea bargain, lesser sentence, most likely probation. It's the American way.

MetaformX · 03-04-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Tell his lawyer. The guy will be out on probation in no time.

Edit: By the way, fighting to trial is not a good idea. If the company says they think he did it it's more like THEY KNOW HE DID IT. They're just saving the hardball for court if they must.

Plea bargain, lesser sentence, most likely probation. It's the American way.

are you saying that because it's his first time doing this? it is a felony what he did.

Rich · 03-04-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by MattO

lol, I didn't get this at first. Good call, sounds like that's about his best chance.

Fletch XXX · 03-04-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX

well, thats what I told him, but he is not sure...this is the first time he has been in trouble with the law, so he is clueless as what to do. He is just afraid that the lawyer will not represent him well if the lawyer knows he is guilty.

Also, this is supposedly a felony rom what the lawyer told him, but its his first tim, he doesnt have a record. He said its a minumum 3 year sentence. How long do you think he will do? Any ideas anyone?

In some states he would have done better killing someone, and gotten off lighter.

Problem is now you're dealing with insurance companies and corprations. They don't stop. This isn't about loss of life, this is about 20k worth of kewels. And no doubt, they will claim he stole more than that for insurance purposes.

If they said 3 years, he may get off with 1, but hes goinig to jail no matter what.

Unless his lawyer is gtood and really pulls shit together, I dont see him getting off totally.

This is serious theft.

he didnt jack a bicycle, he pissed off some major players with stealing that shit. This is some Romancing The Stone shit man, people dont like when people steal 20k worth of jewels. To most, thats worth more than someones life.

This is only my opinion but, it was pretty dumb all around, let us know what happens.

This felony is going to haunt him for awhile.

Observing · 03-04-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by MattO

Danm I seriously almost pissed my pants from laughing, talk about posting the right pic at the right time hahaha

arg · 03-04-2004, 12:25 PM

I think tell the lawyer too, but just to be sure, he should ask his attorney hypoethetically what the tradeoffs are if a guilty client confesses to their attorney vs. withholds confession.

By the way, I hope he didn't confess to you on the phone.

broke · 03-04-2004, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX

are you saying that because it's his first time doing this? it is a felony what he did.

Non-violent felony and no record. Think about it.

If he doesn't tell his lawyer he's a moron.

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2004, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX

are you saying that because it's his first time doing this? it is a felony what he did.

Yes, first time offenders usually get it easier, does depend on location though. But here's the deal, whether he was really guilty or not if he decided to fight it all the way and was found guilty AFTER a trial they will throw the book at him. Our court system likes sliding people in and out and taking their money. Waste their time they'll waste yours.

MetaformX · 03-04-2004, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

In some states he would have done better killing someone, and gotten off lighter.

Problem is now you're dealing with insurance companies and corprations. They don't stop. This isn't about loss of life, this is about 20k worth of kewels. And no doubt, they will claim he stole more than that for insurance purposes.

If they said 3 years, he may get off with 1, but hes goinig to jail no matter what.

Unless his lawyer is gtood and really pulls shit together, I dont see him getting off totally.

This is serious theft.

he didnt jack a bicycle, he pissed off some major players with stealing that shit. This is some Romancing The Stone shit man, people dont like when people steal 20k worth of jewels. To most, thats worth more than someones life.

This is only my opinion but, it was pretty dumb all around, let us know what happens.

This felony is going to haunt him for awhile.

Yeah, I hear ya fletch. This guy is only 21 years old...this is gonna go on his record and he is gonna be fucked I assume? Most places will deny him jobs and stuff with a criminal record, right? How long does your criminal record stay with you, forever, or is it like a bankruptcy where it disapears after 7 years?

twistyneck · 03-04-2004, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

In some states he would have done better killing someone, and gotten off lighter.

Problem is now you're dealing with insurance companies and corprations. They don't stop. This isn't about loss of life, this is about 20k worth of kewels. And no doubt, they will claim he stole more than that for insurance purposes.

If they said 3 years, he may get off with 1, but hes goinig to jail no matter what.

Unless his lawyer is gtood and really pulls shit together, I dont see him getting off totally.

This is serious theft.

he didnt jack a bicycle, he pissed off some major players with stealing that shit. This is some Romancing The Stone shit man, people dont like when people steal 20k worth of jewels. To most, thats worth more than someones life.

This is only my opinion but, it was pretty dumb all around, let us know what happens.

This felony is going to haunt him for awhile.

Fletch is correct. Once an insurance company gets wind that you have robbed them, they do not stop for anything. I was just reading about a guy that got a year for scamming one for about $900.

BTW... posting about his confession on a public board may not be the smartest move.

Fletch XXX · 03-04-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX

Yeah, I hear ya fletch. This guy is only 21 years old...this is gonna go on his record and he is gonna be fucked I assume? Most places will deny him jobs and stuff with a criminal record, right? How long does your criminal record stay with you, forever, or is it like a bankruptcy where it disapears after 7 years?

i know 21 year olds with 25 + to go man, stealing jewelry isnt much.

but yeah having a felony on your record sucks.

ummm, cuz then youre labeled a "felon"

broke · 03-04-2004, 12:29 PM

Tell the lawyer and do five months at 'club fed'...

No way he'll see the dim lights of a 'pen' over this.

Veterans Day · 03-04-2004, 12:29 PM

No priors and he comes clean he may get 6 months county time and about 3-5 yrs probation

HarlotCash Dyker · 03-04-2004, 12:31 PM

I don't know us law - In the Uk, if a lawyer KNOWS you are guilty, then he can NOT got to court and say you didn't do it -

However - Best bet is simple - Admit it -
If you can't do the time - Stay out of crime

Fletch XXX · 03-04-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by twistyneck

Fletch is correct. Once an insurance company gets wind that you have robbed them, they do not stop for anything. I was just reading about a guy that got a year for scamming one for about $900.

I have lawyer friends and family that work with TONS of insurance cases, and this is absolutely correct.

they KNOW he did it, and will go as far as possible with it. They must clearly have proof too, and it took them awehle to go through hidden camera tape.

Once they have him, they will NOT STOP.

Bext find a way to keep it out of court, but insurance companies dont give a fuck about sttling, they have nothing to gain. Again, we're not talking about two parties being involved and suing each other. Insurance companies are like casinos, out to get what is theirs, and whats theirs, is "money."

Veterans Day · 03-04-2004, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
I don't know us law - In the Uk, if a lawyer KNOWS you are guilty, then he can NOT got to court and say you didn't do it -

However - Best bet is simple - Admit it -
If you can't do the time - Stay out of crime

dont work like that here

Paul Waters · 03-04-2004, 12:33 PM

He should ask his lawyer if he [the lawyer] wants to know if he did it.

Answer truthfully, if the lawyer wants to know.

If the lawyer does not want to know, keep his mouth shut.

sumphatpimp · 03-04-2004, 12:33 PM

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the boys in the big house like fairies with jewlery.

You might do him a favor and get him a nice slinky dress too, it helps. Some of them dudes are pretty mean.

its what the jury believes to be true, that is what counts.

slapass · 03-04-2004, 12:33 PM

Big corporations don't like having their name all over the place tied to crime. if he can return some of the stuff and work a deal he could get oof real light. restitution and community service. Recovering the stuff helps. But obviously the lawyer would need to know if he could recover some of the stuff.

bdld · 03-04-2004, 12:34 PM

he should tell his lawyer everything.. there's attorney-client priveledges so the lawyer wont spill the beans, plus the lawyer wants to win the case.

broke · 03-04-2004, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Bext find a way to keep it out of court, but insurance companies dont give a fuck about sttling, they have nothing to gain. Again, we're not talking about two parties being involved and suing each other. Insurance companies are like casinos, out to get what is theirs, and whats theirs, is "money."

Restitution plays a big part?

Are the jewels gone or can they be returned? Assuming the former... Fletch is correct. Assuming the later... this guy will get a 3 month ticket to 'club fed'.

69pornlinks · 03-04-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by twistyneck
BTW... posting about his confession on a public board may not be the smartest move.

haha, he need to tell the truth..and you're fucking yourself up by knowing after the fact..just hush now!!!...if he got/get a good ass lawyer he have a chance to get off with probations...public defender

it's a wrap

edit-he called and 'confess' they prolly had his phones tapped if they already had a feeling he done it..some ppl have no business doing dirt

cosis · 03-04-2004, 12:36 PM

Tell the lawyer the truth - that way he can lie for you

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2004, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by broke

Restitution plays a big part?

Are the jewels gone or can they be returned? Assuming the former... Fletch is correct. Assuming the later... this guy will get a 3 month ticket to 'club fed'.

Federal prison is reserved for federal crimes. Common felons go to the pen and get shit flung on them by the inmates.

iFliPcEss · 03-04-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by cosis
Tell the lawyer the truth - that way he can lie for you

lawyer-LIAR?

Juke · 03-04-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by MattO

MetaformX · 03-04-2004, 12:44 PM

thanx for replys so far guys.

here is 2 more details I just got from him:

he had told the lawyer several times that he was inocent
he told me he "destroyed" all the jewls once the investigation started, so he doesnt have anything to give back.

Fletch XXX · 03-04-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX

he had told the lawyer several times that he was inocent
he told me he "destroyed" all the jewls once the investigation started, so he doesnt have anything to give back.

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX
thanx for replys so far guys.

here is 2 more details I just got from him:

he had told the lawyer several times that he was inocent
he told me he "destroyed" all the jewls once the investigation started, so he doesnt have anything to give back.

He'll have to give it back in cash. Restitution is supposed to go to the party that was wronged but sometimes it doesn't make it there. He'll most likely get restitution whether he received a probation sentence or jail time. I don't know where you are from but stealing from a store here $200 or $20,000 first offender would be out on 2 years probation even with a public defendant. Research some local plea bargains and see what's up there.

broke · 03-04-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

Federal prison is reserved for federal crimes. Common felons go to the pen and get shit flung on them by the inmates.

If goods were fleeced on ebay and shipped across state lines then it is federal.

iFliPcEss · 03-04-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX
thanx for replys so far guys.

here is 2 more details I just got from him:

he had told the lawyer several times that he was inocent
he told me he "destroyed" all the jewls once the investigation started, so he doesnt have anything to give back.

aww he's soOOO stupid he should at least give it to me...

jimmyf · 03-04-2004, 12:55 PM

1st place he fucked up big time telling anyone *you* included.

tell him not 2 tell anyone that means any fucking one.

if he's told a bunch of people he might as well tell his lawyer and see if he can pled him out. The guy is going 2 get blamed for any and every thing that comes up missing from that place.

If he hasn't told a bunch tell him right now 2 keep his mouth shut. Dumb dipshit

SlickCash Sarah · 03-04-2004, 12:56 PM

Hes gotta tell his lawyer the truth...That is the job of a good lawyer...to lie and decieve to get his client off

jimmyf · 03-04-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by SlickCash Sarah
Hes gotta tell his lawyer the truth...That is the job of a good lawyer...to lie and decieve to get his client off

your stupid

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf

your stupid

Uh, he's right.

monkeysnap · 03-04-2004, 01:56 PM

DAMN. I had a friend about 15 years ago who ripped of a big amusement park he worked for to the tune of about $50,000. Not a godd idea.

Ic3m4nZ · 03-04-2004, 02:00 PM

Put him in jail

plyre · 03-04-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX
Alright, my friend (more like an aquaintance) stole about $20,000 worth of jewleries from his workplace. They did an investigation and they say he did it, and they think he was selling them on ebay

So they arrested him 3 days ago. He called me for advice, told me that he did it. He hasent told his lawyer though. Should he come totally clean to the lawyer? If so, can he still put in a not guilty plea, or will the lawyer be obligated to not put in a not guilty if he knows the guy is guilty? I need some clarifications on this for anyone who would know. I can't believe how stupid he was to do this

here is a good advice for your friend.
first of all use your rights , don't tell them nothing , just NOTHING
second thing , get a good lawyer asap , and sure he must deny that he stole anything , good luck!

plyre · 03-04-2004, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX
Alright, my friend (more like an aquaintance) stole about $20,000 worth of jewleries from his workplace. They did an investigation and they say he did it, and they think he was selling them on ebay

So they arrested him 3 days ago. He called me for advice, told me that he did it. He hasent told his lawyer though. Should he come totally clean to the lawyer? If so, can he still put in a not guilty plea, or will the lawyer be obligated to not put in a not guilty if he knows the guy is guilty? I need some clarifications on this for anyone who would know. I can't believe how stupid he was to do this

sorry , haven't got the main idea of your topic from the first time reading it.
sure that he should explain everything as it is to his lawyer
there is nothing to worry about in such case

plyre · 03-04-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by MetaformX

well, thats what I told him, but he is not sure...this is the first time he has been in trouble with the law, so he is clueless as what to do. He is just afraid that the lawyer will not represent him well if the lawyer knows he is guilty.

Also, this is supposedly a felony rom what the lawyer told him, but its his first tim, he doesnt have a record. He said its a minumum 3 year sentence. How long do you think he will do? Any ideas anyone?

he should deny that he stole something till the end
in the bad case , when the facts are opened to police , he wouldn't go to jail for such thing , it's his first record and it's also very depends on his social status ( working place and such)

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arg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,164	I think tell the lawyer too, but just to be sure, he should ask his attorney hypoethetically what the tradeoffs are if a guilty client confesses to their attorney vs. withholds confession. By the way, I hope he didn't confess to you on the phone.

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Big corporations don't like having their name all over the place tied to crime. if he can return some of the stuff and work a deal he could get oof real light. restitution and community service. Recovering the stuff helps. But obviously the lawyer would need to know if he could recover some of the stuff.

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bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	he should tell his lawyer everything.. there's attorney-client priveledges so the lawyer wont spill the beans, plus the lawyer wants to win the case.

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MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	thanx for replys so far guys. here is 2 more details I just got from him: he had told the lawyer several times that he was inocent he told me he "destroyed" all the jewls once the investigation started, so he doesnt have anything to give back. __________________

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jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	1st place he fucked up big time telling anyone you included. tell him not 2 tell anyone that means any fucking one. if he's told a bunch of people he might as well tell his lawyer and see if he can pled him out. The guy is going 2 get blamed for any and every thing that comes up missing from that place. If he hasn't told a bunch tell him right now 2 keep his mouth shut. Dumb dipshit __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

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