liberals vrs conservative

[Grapesoda]

I've never really understood the gap in behaviors and thinking between the 2 groups until GFY and Facebook got so political... for instance since I'm a recovering addict I have relationships with a wide range of people, with a wide range of experiences and agendas...

the show biz types I know are pretty liberal HOWEVER almost every one of them suggested I cheat on my taxes when I complained about the high rate I pay in tax... i.e. you need a better account.. so do as I say, not what I do... that's a hypocrite right?

and actually I use a great CPA that it TOTALY by the book. so I pay what I'm asked to pay.

I heard this once on the radio "if you aren't on welfare or getting money from the government in one form or another, you are the enemy" and I thought ...wow.... that seems like a truism..

all the guys on facebook that I personally know, getting disability, running recovery houses and in other types of government subsidized situations or government jobs all want fast food wage raises to $25 an hour, free health care, in fact they all LOVE Obama care... and they all want the mythical 1% to pay all the tax for everybody ...

so when I see this agenda pushed on GFY I think 'broke ass losers' hey I could be wrong... beats me, not my issue, but I do definitely consider that to be the case...

now the conservatives I know are all successful business men, like myself, although my friends are much more successful than I am today and they really kid me about it in a good natured way.. I don't mind, it's not hateful.. the thing is we don't talk about gays, blacks, Mexicans, illegal immigration of any of the hot button stuff... we discuss business. you know LLC's, loans, advertising, staff, regulations and stuff like that. for instance one of my buddies health ins for his business went up 250K year for staff due to Obama care.... and joke around about pussy for sure...

one of the common factors we have as friends is trying to improve ourselves personally and professionally, which is why I'm in friendships with them.. we have common goals etc.. I'm not really friends with the liberals I know because well honestly I'm busy working, not hanging out...

so the main difference I can see is liberals want to change everyone else and stay the same while the conservatives I know, just like myself, want to improve ourselves... maybe that's why polls show conservatives to be happier on the average?

[L-Pink]

Amen Brother

[deltav]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the thing is we don't talk about gays, blacks, Mexicans, illegal immigration of any of the hot button stuff... we discuss business.

LOL, it's amusing you of all people claim this considering your posting history, are you delusional?

[dyna mo]

After I turned off my television/media- that perpetuates the liberal/conservative jibber jabber, I found that grass is greener, the sky bluer, air smells fresher. I smile more. :-)

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

After I turned off my television/media- that perpetuates the liberal/conservative jibber jabber, I found that grass is greener, the sky bluer, air smells fresher. I smile more. :-)

that's pretty cool, this only place I get exposed is the forums... I dumped all the real crybabies off my friends in facebook and have most of the whinny crybabies here on ignore.... I really only want to see funny gifs and news story that are interesting and that's about it

[Grapesoda]

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[kane]

By no means does liberal = honest. Just like conservative doesn't = honest.

Everyone has their own set of values. I have a friend that is very VERY religious. So religious that he home schooled his daughter until she was in high school and only taught her religion based lessons. So religious that he goes to church at least 3 days a week and volunteers nearly everyday even if this means he can't work very much and his family is on the brink of bankruptcy. His philosophy is that God will provide for them what he feels they need.

Yet he has absolutely no problem at all pirating movies and video games off the internet. When I suggest that it is somewhat a form of theft he tells me he would have never bought them anyway so it isn't. When I point out that his lack of deciding to buy them doesn't change the fact that he has them yet never paid for them and that whether or not he feels it is theft, it is still against the law, he just doesn't see it as a bad thing.

[srockhard]

[deltav]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

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I know man, the truth hurts.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by kane

By no means does liberal = honest. Just like conservative doesn't = honest.

Everyone has their own set of values. I have a friend that is very VERY religious. So religious that he home schooled his daughter until she was in high school and only taught her religion based lessons. So religious that he goes to church at least 3 days a week and volunteers nearly everyday even if this means he can't work very much and his family is on the brink of bankruptcy. His philosophy is that God will provide for them what he feels they need.

Yet he has absolutely no problem at all pirating movies and video games off the internet. When I suggest that it is somewhat a form of theft he tells me he would have never bought them anyway so it isn't. When I point out that his lack of deciding to buy them doesn't change the fact that he has them yet never paid for them and that whether or not he feels it is theft, it is still against the law, he just doesn't see it as a bad thing.

I can only speak form my personal experience on this one and what I see in the news... movie types wanting to pass out tax funds yet shooting anywhere except LA because union rates are too high, taxes are too high, rentals are too high... funny isn't it? pay a guy $25 to flip a burger but don't pay a HIGHLY trained technician $35-$40 to make their movies for them

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by srockhard

is this supposed to be quality rap?

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so the main difference I can see is liberals want to change everyone else and stay the same while the conservatives I know, just like myself, want to improve ourselves... maybe that's why polls show conservatives to be happier on the average?

Load of BS.

[EngineCash]

Well said...

[kane]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I can only speak form my personal experience on this one and what I see in the news... movie types wanting to pass out tax funds yet shooting anywhere except LA because union rates are too high, taxes are too high, rentals are too high... funny isn't it? pay a guy $25 to flip a burger but don't pay a HIGHLY trained technician $35-$40 to make their movies for them

Having spent some time in the movie business is here what I experienced.

There are plenty of conservatives in the business (at least fiscal conservatives), but they don't speak up much and they tend to be more on the production end of things. They are executives and producers as well as number crunchers. They make many of the financial decisions behind a movie. Those in front of the camera tend to be more liberal, especially socially.

The reason most actors act and don't produce or run a studio is because they are better at acting than they are at handling budgets, raising money, and running businesses.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I've never really understood the gap in behaviors and thinking between the 2 groups until GFY and Facebook got so political... for instance since I'm a recovering addict I have relationships with a wide range of people, with a wide range of experiences and agendas...

the show biz types I know are pretty liberal HOWEVER almost every one of them suggested I cheat on my taxes when I complained about the high rate I pay in tax... i.e. you need a better account.. so do as I say, not what I do... that's a hypocrite right?

and actually I use a great CPA that it TOTALY by the book. so I pay what I'm asked to pay.

I heard this once on the radio "if you aren't on welfare or getting money from the government in one form or another, you are the enemy" and I thought ...wow.... that seems like a truism..

all the guys on facebook that I personally know, getting disability, running recovery houses and in other types of government subsidized situations or government jobs all want fast food wage raises to $25 an hour, free health care, in fact they all LOVE Obama care... and they all want the mythical 1% to pay all the tax for everybody ...

so when I see this agenda pushed on GFY I think 'broke ass losers' hey I could be wrong... beats me, not my issue, but I do definitely consider that to be the case...

now the conservatives I know are all successful business men, like myself, although my friends are much more successful than I am today and they really kid me about it in a good natured way.. I don't mind, it's not hateful.. the thing is we don't talk about gays, blacks, Mexicans, illegal immigration of any of the hot button stuff... we discuss business. you know LLC's, loans, advertising, staff, regulations and stuff like that. for instance one of my buddies health ins for his business went up 250K year for staff due to Obama care.... and joke around about pussy for sure...

one of the common factors we have as friends is trying to improve ourselves personally and professionally, which is why I'm in friendships with them.. we have common goals etc.. I'm not really friends with the liberals I know because well honestly I'm busy working, not hanging out...

so the main difference I can see is liberals want to change everyone else and stay the same while the conservatives I know, just like myself, want to improve ourselves... maybe that's why polls show conservatives to be happier on the average?

So in your world politics is just self interest. Good for you.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by deltav

LOL, it's amusing you of all people claim this considering your posting history, are you delusional?

This. I'm pretty sure that if I were to go back and see what threads he started I would be able to find 100+ new topics whining or bitching about minorities in some way. I noticed it because the irony of his nickname caught my attention.

Him along with a couple other guys are also constantly posting right wing topics here. I mean like every single day. I mostly stay out of the topics but sometimes I click one, read it and roll my eyes because it's often pretty far out there. To be fair there are a couple left wing posters here who are almost just as bad but I think the righties tend to outnumber them 3:1 in frequency.

edit: correction. grapesoda doesn't really post a new right wing topic every day (I checked). For some reason it just felt like that. It's more like every two weeks.

[tony286]

Yep conservatives don't want to push their agenda on others. Lol And telling you to get a better cpa was telling you to cheat. You were the one here crying about taxes.and if your Corp is set up to be taxed you are crazy. An llc isn't cheating it's only paying taxes when you pull out money as income.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by kane

Having spent some time in the movie business is here what I experienced.

There are plenty of conservatives in the business (at least fiscal conservatives), but they don't speak up much and they tend to be more on the production end of things. They are executives and producers as well as number crunchers. They make many of the financial decisions behind a movie. Those in front of the camera tend to be more liberal, especially socially.

The reason most actors act and don't produce or run a studio is because they are better at acting than they are at handling budgets, raising money, and running businesses.

very good points

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by slapass

So in your world politics is just self interest. Good for you.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by tony286

Yep conservatives don't want to push their agenda on others. Lol And telling you to get a better cpa was telling you to cheat. You were the one here crying about taxes.and if your Corp is set up to be taxed you are crazy. An llc isn't cheating it's only paying taxes when you pull out money as income.

I'm set up very well and following all the rules ;)

[Best-In-BC]

Liberals generally are safty padded whiners and conservatives are selfish old fuckers who should be pushed off the cliff for there thinking

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

This. I'm pretty sure that if I were to go back and see what threads he started I would be able to find 100+ new topics whining or bitching about minorities in some way. I noticed it because the irony of his nickname caught my attention.

Him along with a couple other guys are also constantly posting right wing topics here. I mean like every single day. I mostly stay out of the topics but sometimes I click one, read it and roll my eyes because it's often pretty far out there. To be fair there are a couple left wing posters here who are almost just as bad but I think the righties tend to outnumber them 3:1 in frequency.

edit: correction. grapesoda doesn't really post a new right wing topic every day (I checked). For some reason it just felt like that. It's more like every two weeks.

yeah I don't really have that much interest in it.... don't whine about minorities either... not much interest there either...you're reacting lander from ADG

mostly I just spend my time working.... the only place I see political stuff is on FB and here.

I will state this for the record, and you may take this anyway you want: there is a presence of 'entitlement' being pushed by the media

[arock10]

Ah another one of these threads. We sure see the word differently. Maybe one day I will be a cranky old man and will see stuff differently. Till then I'll enjoy both the biz side AND the progressive nature of where this country is slowly heading.

I don't use twitter or Facebook maybe that has something to do with it??

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by arock10

the progressive nature of where this country is slowly heading

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

After I turned off my television/media- that perpetuates the liberal/conservative jibber jabber, I found that grass is greener, the sky bluer, air smells fresher. I smile more. :-)

I agree. ... the constant bickering between the 2 major parties gets tiresome and even depressing.

Originally Posted by kane

Yet he has absolutely no problem at all pirating movies and video games off the internet. When I suggest that it is somewhat a form of theft he tells me he would have never bought them anyway so it isn't. When I point out that his lack of deciding to buy them doesn't change the fact that he has them yet never paid for them and that whether or not he feels it is theft, it is still against the law, he just doesn't see it as a bad thing.

Try telling him that his argument is the same as stealing food from someone's farm, but then deciding not to eat it, except of course he is eating it. Keep at him. Too many people like him don't realize it's theft, it's wrong, it's against the law.

Originally Posted by arock10

Ah another one of these threads.

This one is different. This is a calm & cool discussion about understanding the gap between the two. I'm liking this.

[Best-In-BC]

The law in no way shape or form has anything to do with morality

[bronco67]

I don't have anything against people making money, and keeping as much of it as possible, because even as a liberal I think the government wastes most of our tax dollars. It's just a big, bloated, inefficient out of control behemoth.

My problem with conservatives is where they fall on most arguments. Their positions on almost every issue makes them look like non-empathetic, bigoted assholes. I'm not saying being Republican means someone is automatically racist -- but as I heard one former governor say recently "they can find a home under the Republican tent".

and the pettiness they've displayed in the last 5 years has made them a very unattractive club to be associated with. They've been a bunch of clowns, and make it easy for liberals to make fun of them.

[arock10]

Oh also if you liberal friends are just junkies and your conservative friends just successful businessmen, I can see why you would see things a bit more skewed

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by tony286

You were the one here crying about taxes.and if your Corp is set up to be taxed you are crazy. An llc isn't cheating it's only paying taxes when you pull out money as income.

Huh? Nothing about your post is correct.

[Vendzilla]

Obama is a liberal, he is pushing equal pay now, except his staff of course where the women make less than the men. Hypocrite!

Liberals like Bronco67 push the racism angle, I don't know any conservatives that are racist, maybe he's talking about the southern democrats that started the KKK, or the republican that help to free the slaves in this country, I'm not sure. I have a couple black friends that think people forget that MLK preached tolerance, not hatred.

I want the government to stop wasting so much money, stop breaking the constitution and stop forcing people to get medical insurance. I believe the federal government has more power now than our forefathers intended and that power should shift back to the states. I want the right to choice, liberals seem to think that's not important, I do.

And I believe a good president is a president of the people, not the democrat party. A good president brings the parties together, not use every chance to blame the other side.

I blame the democrats for getting Obama elected and I blame the GOP for not coming up with a better person to run against him...

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I blame the democrats for getting Obama elected and I blame the GOP for not coming up with a better person to run against him...

The polices of Romney were a fucking joke, just like him, but the guy before could have done a little better.

[crockett]

Double post

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yeah I don't really have that much interest in it.... don't whine about minorities either... not much interest there either...you're reacting lander from ADG

mostly I just spend my time working.... the only place I see political stuff is on FB and here.

I will state this for the record, and you may take this anyway you want: there is a presence of 'entitlement' being pushed by the media

While I find funny is that conservatives endlessly whine about liberals wanting entitlements as they call them, yet they turn blind eye to corporate entitlements. I find that conservatives tend to act smuggish as if they think they are better than everyone else, while doing the exact same things they bitch and moan about others doing.

It's like the example given in this topic of the religious guy that steals videos and games. Conservatives will preach endlessly about how much better they are than everyone else, then turn around and do the same shit they complain about while trying to say it's not the same.

Personally I don't care so much about the politics of it all, it's not like that will ever change, I just like pointing out the hypocrisy of the right when they preach to us all how great they are while turning around and doing the exact same shit they whine and complain about.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Ah another one of these threads. We sure see the word differently. Maybe one day I will be a cranky old man and will see stuff differently. Till then I'll enjoy both the biz side AND the progressive nature of where this country is slowly heading.

I don't use twitter or Facebook maybe that has something to do with it??

might be, I'm from a different generation... I was taught my work ethic by guys coming up in the depression.. very different sort of cat than today.. work was a privilege, not a right to be demanded....

I'm all for progression in many areas, not so much in open boarders or unlimited official languages.. seems to be headed into splintering society and a strong cohesive identity is what made America a destination world wide in the first place,. now it seems like a place you show up and make demands and take from *shrugs*

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by arock10

Oh also if you liberal friends are just junkies and your conservative friends just successful businessmen, I can see why you would see things a bit more skewed

yes ... just my personal experience with workers and welfare. I've never been to shool

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't have anything against people making money, and keeping as much of it as possible, because even as a liberal I think the government wastes most of our tax dollars. It's just a big, bloated, inefficient out of control behemoth.

My problem with conservatives is where they fall on most arguments. Their positions on almost every issue makes them look like non-empathetic, bigoted assholes. I'm not saying being Republican means someone is automatically racist -- but as I heard one former governor say recently "they can find a home under the Republican tent".

and the pettiness they've displayed in the last 5 years has made them a very unattractive club to be associated with. They've been a bunch of clowns, and make it easy for liberals to make fun of them.

both side have morons, no doubt... and the press pushing dirt and anger doesn't really help.. it's like ricky lake is running against dr phil sometimes isn't it

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Obama is a liberal, he is pushing equal pay now, except his staff of course where the women make less than the men. Hypocrite!

Liberals like Bronco67 push the racism angle, I don't know any conservatives that are racist, maybe he's talking about the southern democrats that started the KKK, or the republican that help to free the slaves in this country, I'm not sure. I have a couple black friends that think people forget that MLK preached tolerance, not hatred.

I want the government to stop wasting so much money, stop breaking the constitution and stop forcing people to get medical insurance. I believe the federal government has more power now than our forefathers intended and that power should shift back to the states. I want the right to choice, liberals seem to think that's not important, I do.

And I believe a good president is a president of the people, not the democrat party. A good president brings the parties together, not use every chance to blame the other side.

I blame the democrats for getting Obama elected and I blame the GOP for not coming up with a better person to run against him...

I don't know any racist conservatives either... then again I' don't associate with many people BUT I do know a racist liberal... the guy hates Mexicans for some reason... beats me

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

While I find funny is that conservatives endlessly whine about liberals wanting entitlements as they call them, yet they turn blind eye to corporate entitlements. I find that conservatives tend to act smuggish as if they think they are better than everyone else, while doing the exact same things they bitch and moan about others doing.

It's like the example given in this topic of the religious guy that steals videos and games. Conservatives will preach endlessly about how much better they are than everyone else, then turn around and do the same shit they complain about while trying to say it's not the same.

Personally I don't care so much about the politics of it all, it's not like that will ever change, I just like pointing out the hypocrisy of the right when they preach to us all how great they are while turning around and doing the exact same shit they whine and complain about.

yes and I enjoy the hypocrisy of the left, just for fun

[Grapesoda]

I think along with the nutjobs there are smart people here at GFY, with varying opinions.. be a good place to learn if there were better conversations and less accusations

[sperbonzo]

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes and I enjoy the hypocrisy of the left, just for fun

Yes I agree.. I think much of the shit the left does is stupid. I mean do we really need $15/hr min wage? IMO if someone is working for min wage then they have no skills to offer or are not trying very hard. I do however agree that it should be adjusted for inflation. If there are no jobs where you live, then fucking move.

As far as taxes go, I think everyone should be on the same level. Why should people with kids pay less or business owners pay less? It shouldn't matter what you earn or what your expenses are. Taxes should be paid when money is used to buy something end of story. Let's pay 25 or 30% national sales tax and be done with it. Now everyone is equal. Don't like it, then stick your money in a jar and shut the fuck up.

I just get tired of the endless bitching and moaning from the right, while claiming their shit doesn't stink. I can't stand religious people for this very reason and for the most part conservatives act and do pretty much the same shit as religious people so to me it's like one in the same. Fiscal conservatives I have no issue with.

To me liberals = might be whiney or annoying but usually they are trying to help other people. Often they tend to be misguided but at the core I tend to think they try to do the right thing.

Conservatives = whiney cunts that are very selfish when it comes to their world views, (ie they think everything should be their way) they think they are better than everyone else and are sore losers when it's someone else's turn to sit at the head of the table.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

democrats want to force women to use birth control and republicans want to ban birth control? Maybe abortion would work better for that graphic but its really not a good graphic either way.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by arock10

democrats want to force women to use birth control and republicans want to ban birth control? Maybe abortion would work better for that graphic but its really not a good graphic either way.

No. I guess you are not that familiar with the issue. Democrats want to force everyone to pay so that some people can get free birth control (i.e. everyone must buy it, with their taxes), and Republicans want to ban it from schools, etc....



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[sperbonzo]

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

The polices of Romney were a fucking joke, just like him, but the guy before could have done a little better.

You are speculating.

I believe with Romney we would have seen a much better economy, median wages going up like they should to keep in track with inflation and the devalued dollar. I doubt he would have bowed to foreign leaders and I doubt Putin would be getting away with what he's doing now, considering that he tried it under Bush and withdrew.

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I don't know any racist conservatives either... then again I' don't associate with many people BUT I do know a racist liberal... the guy hates Mexicans for some reason... beats me

Liberals always calling everyone that hates Obama a racist , is a racist in my book.

Every time I hear someone make the excuse, well he must be racist, makes me laugh thinking it's a catch all when you have nothing but common sense left and that's not in your favor, so you play the race card, grow a pair and get on with it.

Women are paid less for the same jobs, even the white house staff

The only people using the N word seem to be black

Blacks kill whites, well they got what they deserved, but if a white kills a black, it's national television. Blacks killing blacks just adds to the national average that the liberals point out as a talking point to take away the 2nd amendment.

I argued with someone recently on this board that thought it was liberals that gave blacks the right to vote.

Another one believed that Sarah Palin said: "I can see Russia from my house." When anyone with half a brain knows that's false. (Rochard)

I blame the left leaning media

[crockett]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

No. I guess you are not that familiar with the issue. Democrats want to force everyone to pay so that some people can get free birth control (i.e. everyone must buy it, with their taxes), and Republicans want to ban it from schools, etc....



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See this is a self defeating policy of the right. They dont want to pay for welfare for needy kids but they want to ban things like sex education in schools and birth control.

There are certain times when its worth it to invest in something that has a benifical outcome and denying kids are having sex or trying to pretend they will wait for marriage isn't it..

Its cutting off the nose in spite of the face.

[TampaToker]

With exceptions to a few post in this thread most post in here are just pure ignorance. When will you fuckers finally wake up and open your eyes and realize YOU are the problem! NOT the politicians YOU!

[Joshua G]

funny how the USA is so ready for a third party. the wealth gap & budget deficits are fueling a new wave of populism (tea party on the right, OWS on the left) but nobody can channel it into a new centrist like populist party. The 2 major parties are simply owned by the rich.

guess like ross perot, some billionaire has to step up to the plate.

[JA$ON]

I find these days that there is a big gap is what the Right vs the left SAY, but far less of a gap in the way the govern.

They BOTH......

Spend, spend, spend (we'll figure it out later)
Are almost completely controlled by special interests

[TheSquealer]

Watch this and it will snap things into focus a bit. If you are interested in truly gaining some real insight into this question, I would suggest again, reading his book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion". It is hard for him to really get into it in a short segment as it first requires a great deal of discussion of basic evolutionary biology, neurology and decision making processes in the brain etc to really lay the foundation for what he is saying so that it makes great sense.