Vendzilla

Hey, I know about the veterans bill, the GOP said it was flawed like most of the bills that are pushed thru without doing the math, IE Obamacare

Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma said the federal government already has six job-training programs for veterans and there is no way to know how well they are working. He argued that making progress on the country's debt was the best way to help veterans in the long-term.

"We ought to do nothing now that makes the problem worse for our kids and grandkids," Coburn said.

Democratic officials did not have an estimate for how many veterans would be hired as a result of the legislation. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said much would depend upon the number of applicants. She noted that more than 720,000 veterans are unemployed across the nation, including 220,000 veterans who have served since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. She said putting veterans back to work was the cost of war.

I think Murray should have had a better plan for getting the bill passed when it was going to push the budget past agreed upon limits....


Or are you of the mind set off throwing money at everything and feel good about it, regardless if it works or not?

Maybe you should look at what the VA head is in trouble for and that the GOP is calling for his job and the democrats are still supporting him?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

12clicks

your inability to understand the written word means you should post less and read more. If you don't understand something I've written, assume the issue is with you. It will save you from looking silly.

mopek1

I know YOU'LL save me. As a matter of fact I'm counting on it since you're god's right hand

2MuchMark

So your answer is, what? Just keep polluting? Just keep making a bad problem worse? Who do you think benefits from this? GOOD THINKING, CLETUS!

You know China is in bad shape because their pollution control is almost non existent. Their people are fucking DYING because they CANT BREATHE. The US has been fairly clean thanks to President Nixon's creation of the EPA. The EPA however is being chipped away. REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENT, Dick Cheney, the former head of Halliburton, added a provision to the Energy Policy act, that PROHIBITED THE EPA FROM REGULATING FRACKING UNDER THE SAVE DRINKING WATER ACT, and old assholes like him will turn the US and the WORLD into China in NO TIME.

So listen to me, you fucking, ignorant, right-wing red neck tea-party republican freak: The USA had it good for a long time but CUNTS like you are ruining your own country because YOU ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID to see what is going on, and what you do affects US.

Why don't you become as tough as you think you look on your Harley, and do some research? What are you afraid of?

I bet you won't do shit. No surprise. I knew you wouldn't.

Go stick your head back in the sand.

TCLGirls

Canada needs to hand over the US currency counterfeiters to us for prosecution!!!

12clicks

why do you children buy into the false idea that CO2 is a pollutant?
CO2 was "discovered" in 1754. It was declared a pollutant in 2009 and you monkeys start throwing shit about how we need to defend against it.
meanwhile, CO2 is necessary for ALL LIFE on earth and today is at historical lows despite what you children have been lead to believe.

12clicks

oh, and birds and mammals evolved 65million years ago, when CO2 levels were MUCH higher than today.
Its shocking how much early man "polluted" the earth with CO2

bronco67

Hey deniers, take a look at this video.



Is it some kind of camera trick, or is all of this ice really melting? I'm sure you'll find some way to convince yourself this is no big deal, because you know there's a huge problem but for some reason you choose to lie to yourself.

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12clicks

ever wonder why the global warmists never compare today's environment to the environment back in time that had equal or higher levels of CO2 to explain how harmful those levels were?

Right! because there was no harm back then.

12clicks

Ice melts every spring.

oh my god! who knew we lived through so many episodes of global warming!?!?!?!

Every spring!

how do we survive?????

Grapesoda

look I hate to be the one to tell you however we are coming out of a mini ice age that started about 1100 CE... this is not an event caused by 'humanity' as much as you wish it were for the pure drama of it all....

think of that image of the polar bear clinging to a chunk of ice in the middle of nowhere constantly posted to PROVE global warming... well the facts are polar bears are MARINE mammals that spend a great majority of their time SWIMMING around look for stuff to eat and traveling to other ice flows...

sperbonzo

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bronco67

Thanks for proving my point by using vague rationalizations against my facts... which are right in front of your eyes on video.

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bronco67

You can't be that dumb. Your comments just show how uneducated you are about the situation. Are you also one of those people who think there's no global warming because it gets cold in the winter?

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12clicks

dear child, here in the adult world, video of a calving glacier is proof of nothing except that glaciers calve when they melt.
In response to the facts that I posted, you posted an irrelevant video! well done! You've explained in one posting, your statue on society's bottom rung.

Cherry7

People who think carbon dioxide in increase amounts is no problem should try drinking another harmless substance water. 6 litres should prove the point that quantites are important too.

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Vendzilla

Ok, this is going to make you look like an idiot, but then again, that's easy

http://nypost.com/2014/01/06/us-coas...antarctic-ice/

They came to document global warming and shrinking polar ice caps ? but now they?re desperately waiting for the US Coast Guard to rescue their ship after it got stuck in record-breaking Antarctic ice.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

What a cunt you are, you have replied with nothing but empty statements.

You blame Haliburton?
I blame the EPA
in 2000 the EPA undertook a study of hydraulic fracturing,
to determine the potential risk to public water supplies from the process. The EPA?s report
was published in 2004 and determined that hydraulic fracturing posed little risk to public
water supplies and recommended no further study.
Maybe you should do some research , Your parents were related, weren't they?

It's not about keep polluting you inbreed excuse for a hockey mom that puts maple syrup in his beer, it's about we need to get the planet on this, not just one country. Getting one country to be cleaner will not fix shit if all the polluters just move operations to countries that let them pollute. Are all Canadians as fucking dense as you are?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

Wow, do you ever read, they stopped calling it global warming, they are calling it climate change now, because of all the extra ice! LOL

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

And it seems to get worse all the time

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

arock10

Nypost = Fox News

Climate change means it's getting warmer but also more erratic...

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Vendzilla

Are you one of those morons that can only get news from one source?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

trevesty

I think that's presumptuous. I have broke ass conservative friends who are lying, cheating scum and broke ass liberal friends who are lying, cheating scum. On the other hand, I have some conservative friends who are fairly successful(only 1 of those is self-made, though) and many liberal friends who are successful.

I find my self-made friends to be more "liberal" and the ones who got where they are with the help of daddy's last name and check book to be more conservative. On the same token, though, I see many "liberals" who are 28, work at a call center, and expect the government to do everything for everyone including them. I dislike that attitude a great deal, even as a liberal myself.

I don't like self-righteous people whether they're conservative or liberal. If you're conservative in the sense that you think anything "new" should be approached with a great deal of caution and study, then I respect you - we need people like that. If you're conservative because "fuck government", you're just as bad as the liberals who are liberal because "give me money" in my opinion.

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trevesty

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that climate change happens. It's happened for millions of years. Whether it's the fault of humans, cow shit, or any other random thing is up for speculation at the moment, but it happens. To deny that is pretty retarded. If you're unable to understand the basic nuances of climate change, that doesn't make it any less true.

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jdubs1982

No harm? The Phanerozoic period ended in an climate based extinction level event that took 20 million years or something like that to recover from...

_Richard_

you guys have been arguing for 4 pages about this:

Grapesoda

I'm only speaking from my experience. I believe in giving a man a hand up, not a hand out

Grapesoda

yes we are coming out of a mini ice age, not brought on by humans.

Grapesoda

I'd say the continents separating is a lot more devastating that what we have now and neither 'living species' have caused either.....

jdubs1982

What is your belief based on? You claim its not brought on by humans, I assume you have some substantative reason for that other than... you're a right winger just parroting right winger politicians who said that the peopel who donate to them pollute alot so they are beign paid to oppose any curbs on pollution....

Vendzilla

Where exactly did I deny it, fucking learn to read retard!

It's been happening for the world history of the earth, to blame it on one political party shows just how fucking retarded you are!

And for gods sake, learn how to user spell check, if I had a dog, he could spell better!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

jdubs1982

If you want to spell check my posts for me go for it I don't really care that much about a message board thread. So sorry

As for world history, yes climates have shifted over world history but never to this extent and never at this speed, not to mention the hundreds of studies on the impact of man and atmospheric CO2,

In fact do you even know historically what has happened in the past during naturally occuring climate change and how this cycle differs? (my gues is no, but hey the scientists who actually study this obviously should just listen to you, right?)

And I was trying to give you the benifit of the doubt and assuming it was politically based at least you could then have a reason, but my guess now is that this is just another topic you run your mouth about without actually knowing a damn thing.

12clicks

extintions happened at both high and low CO2 levels. Thats like saying night time causes murder because someone was killed at night.

why do the most ridiculous comments come during the weekends? oh, wait. I know the answer to that.

trevesty

I understand and tend to agree. I wasn't attacking you in any way.

I only call myself liberal because that's what others call me - I'm more pragmatic - sometimes that ends up coming across as conservative, sometimes liberal, sometimes "wtf did he just say?"

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jdubs1982

Your comment is only correct if you lack basic reading comprehension skills... the original comment said last time there were higher CO2 levels, there was no harm... to call an extinction level event no harm is stupid. I never said that ALL extinction events are related to weather, or CO2 levels, just that the period in question led to a massive climate based extenction level event. My comment is more a kin to if it was said "drunk driving never hurt anyone" and I point out all the cases where it did, and you responded by say "well people die other ways too so drunk driving never hurt anyone"

I'll chalk up the ridculous of your comment to a post weekend hangover....

12clicks

dear child, there were extinctions during varying levels of CO2 levels. Pointing at ONE out of many as your "proof" is pretty silly. I understand that you want to be noticed and type away without an intelligent thought but seriously, read a book or two.

Grapesoda

don't hurt yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Grapesoda

more of a libertarian myself I'm told

jdubs1982

I try to walk you through this slowly, the original post was refering to a specific period of time.. the responder said that nobody talks about that, when the CO2 levels were higher, because no harm came then.. which is 100% false, there was an extinction level event. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to follow? What do other events have to do with a specific period of time in which the person I replied to claimed that nothing bad happened?

12clicks

for you to have even a slight point, you'd have to discount all the other extinctions that happened during low CO2 levels.
Because there are other extinctions that happened during low CO2 levels, you can make NO factual claims that CO2 cause the one particular extinction you point to.


oh, and what banned nic were you previous to this one? its hard to keep track of you all.

jdubs1982

I don't understand why basic comment threads are so hard to follow for you people.. again I agreed with you that in the past we've had warming and cooling, in fact is specifically said what makes this one different, according to scients who have studied it is both the speed and depth of the changes, you literally link me to a wiki article which all but proves exactly what tehy are saying, this period that you're refering to shows a natural cycle over hundreds of years.... compare that to the speed and depth of this current trend. There are natural cycles, yes I agreed with you the first time you said that, however this is abnormal in the speed, and amount of change, this isn't a 5th grade research paper, this is a topic covered by thousands of scientist who are the best in the world at their field...how about trying to read something a little more informative than wikiepedia? Maybe it'll keep you from posting nonsense in the future..

I'm new around here, so can't link you directly but a simple google search of "Evaluating sun?climate relationships since the Little Ice Age" should take you to an actual scientific journal aritcle, which explores the relationship and differences in warming trends in "bouncing back" from the mini ice age, vs today's warming issues. (Something I thouhgt I explained the first time I responded to you but clearly went over your head)

jdubs1982

Stop typing, go back and read.. what do all the other CO2 levels have to do with a specific point in time? At what point did I say that CO2 levels cause ALL ELEs? We were talking about ONE period in time, it was so no harm was done.. I simply point out that yes harm was done. What in the world does that have to do with all other events in time? Are you seriously this stupid?

jdubs1982

And is this really the "come back" you people have? I literealyl signed up a month ago for the sole purpose of reponsding to a question about Zombaio payouts. But I've honestly never seen a dumber group of people in my entire life. This isn't even a complicated issue, we aren't even debating climate science, you aren't even able to read a comment threard and keep up. You have to suffer from some from of mental retardation.

Because there's one thing to disgaree about issues, be it climate change or whatever, but this is as simple as

Person 1 said ABC, I responded to ABC about ABC... and you ranting about some completely unrealated topic and thinkign you are saying something of value. It's embarrising watching you struggle through what is not really that complicated.

We were talking about 1 specific time, I responded regard that period of time.. you are talking a different issue...

BUT here, you want to talk about all the other times, ok please lets hear about a CLIMATE BASED extinction level event which did not happen during a time of wide CO2 varaibility (be it a spike or a collapse far below the norms after a spike), since you claim that there are all these climate based ELEs out there

12clicks

dear child, incessant rambling will get you nowhere. We're all not living in mommy's basement pretending to work on the inter web

jdubs1982

So in other words unable to respond to the topic, you fall back on baseless insults, bravo... you've gone full circle. It's like the 7 stages of grief, just the 4 stages of commenting for internet trash. Step 1, jump into a conversation and say something you think is a great comment. Step 2, after getting called out on the stupidity of your comment, cling to it hoping the other person goes away, Step 3, ignore all counter arguments which clearly outline the stupidity of your original comment and instead try to completly change the subject to a topic in which your comment woudl fit Step 4. Give up on the topic and insult.

Good job....

But kid, I don't need some online message board validation, I don't need to brag about what I do or what I've done. So if you want to believe I'm living i mommy's basement, great.

But if you're done making a fool of yourself, you're free to go. I have no more use for you. In fact honestly If I cared enough to figure out how to, you're the kind of person I'd block, because while Im annoyed by people like grapesoda, who is just ignorant abotu the topic.. I can deal with ignorance. What I can't deal with is incompetence, you cant' even follow a simple comment threard and have a meaningful debate..Its childish and a waste of time. But I won't block you, because honestly have no clue how and not going to waste time looking.... but I am likely to just ignore anything you say from here on out unless you start saying something of value)

2MuchMark

12Clicks, do this : Put a plastic bag over your head and see how long you can breathe the CO2 your body produces. You will pass out in 10 seconds.

The big problem is that there is too much CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 is a greenhouse gas which means it traps heat. Heat naturally rises and some of it dissipates into space. The CO2 in the atmosphere keeps more of the heat inside, raising the average temperature of the planet. It takes only a few degrees to change the world. This is why its such a big concern.

2MuchMark

I saw this on TV a couple of weeks ago. Amazing, and scary. Yet some people still don't believe its happening.

Some people don't think Man is "responsible". I think we are, but ok fine. Other don't think that Man "contributes" to the problem. This really pisses me off because basic fucking science 101 proves that we do. The worst idiots are the ones who say that We can't or shouldn't do anything to try to fix the problem. Those idiots are the real problem.

2MuchMark

12Clicks, What happened back then was over the course of millions and millions of years. The earth naturally changes over time, everyone knows that. The changes that are freaking scientists out however are happening very, very fast, and these changes affect PEOPLE living today, and will have an even bigger impact on the kids only a generation or two from today.

Another thing you seem to forget is that it is not just Carbon Dioxide (CO2) that contributes to global warming. There is also Methane (CH4), Nitrous Oxide (N2O) and several others. You should read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

The other big problem is what this huge spike in pollution is doing to our oceans. For a great explanation about this from NOAA, Read this page : http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/W...idification%3F

2MuchMark

OMG Dude... that is so completely wrong. Please please do some research, and never say anything like this to your kids or friends or wife or whatever. At best, it will just make you look bad. But at worst, someone might actually believe you and pass that nonsense on to someone else.

2MuchMark

Jethro! Continental Ice and Sea ice are different. Read http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html


That was 14 years ago and it was under the tougher EPA laws. Since then Cheeney had the clean water act changed to allow Fracking. Since then it has destroyed lakes and turned millions of acres of homes and farms into valueless poison pits.


(From Discover Magazine)