Cherry7

In "12 Years a Slave"

There is a conservative slave owner who rapes the girl slave and whips the slaves to work

There is a liberal slave owner who reads the slaves bits of the bible while working them to death.

Coca Cola or Pepsi.

Neither want to change the system to distribute wealth fairly.

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crockett

Yes cities have their own problems as do rural areas. The problem is how do you make rules for one area that don't apply to the next?

Example in Cali when it comes to guns, you can open carry in rural areas but need a permit to carry in cities. I see nothing wrong with that, but usually on the flip side the NRA nuts think it's violating your rights if you can't open carry in a city as well.

Also even though gun supporters love to toss out numbers like you just did about 60% of homicides being done by inner cities (ie code for blacks & hispanics). You can sure as hell bet that soon as any rules or regulations were attempted to be made to take away guns from those people it would be oh "not my 2nd amd".

This is the problem, is the NRA isn't realistic when it comes to how guns should be regulated in this country.

crockett

There should never be equal distribution of wealth, there is no reason someone that works harder or smarter should not make more. However there should be equal opportunity to create wealth, it shouldn't be a system like today, where existing wealth has unfair advantage given to it by govt policies.

Vendzilla

What he said. There is an old saying, too many chiefs, not enough Indians. This applies here as too many regulations running can screw up the machine.
Here in California, many business's have left the state because of over regulation, the cost of business has become too big. What it takes to build anything here is outrageous. I'm hoping to build a house in Northern California, I know I need to find a piece of property that has a POS house on it, so I can use the permits that were used in building it to keep the cost down. Plus all the utilities will also be hooked up already.
They charge a shit load for registering your car, yet the roads are full of pot holes kinda thing.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Grapesoda

reality check: TV show written by liberals

2MuchMark

The thing is, Taxes are lower than they have ever been. More immigrants have been deported, and Obama has saved millions of Jobs. The group you're talking about is "taught" just the opposite because of channels like Fox News and slobs like Rush Limbaugh because the Right Wing of the government know they can't beat him with facts. So instead, they just make up endless lies.


This is an offshoot to the endless lies told by republicans. One of their main tactics is fear. A Fox newspaper will say something scary and false, and it will become a talking point on Fox News TV all day for a few days, then republican lawmakers will quote it as if it were fact, all the while stirring up fear in the low-educated. "Militia" types think that Obama really is "coming for their guns" and want to "take back the government" and all that stuff. They're afraid of shit that isn't true, and its all thanks to Ring wing talking heads and the fucking bastards they talk for.

TheSquealer

"Tribes, both bind and blind"

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Vendzilla

Taxes are not lower, the government is taking in record levels of money
http://www.newsmax.com/US/tax-collec.../17/id/526188/
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-...cit-still-377b
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...record-1-.html

And the only jobs Obama has saved are lower wage jobs, that's why the Median wage is down 8%

More uninformed bullshit coming from you, the militias are well informed because they know that the government has bought up so much ammo, ammo they can't use over the next 30 years, that it has made ammo hard to find and has driven up the cost to record levels. They just changed their tactic, can't take away their guns, but they can take away their ammo. Why does the DHS need over a billion bullets? That's enough for a 24 year war in Iraq!!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...ored-vehicles/

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

mineistaken

That is because liberals/democrats are usually leechers, minus to society types. And conservatives/republicans think that every person is responsible for their own wealth, they do not favor handouts etc. Naturally they are more successful.

SongRider

We got holes in the right side of the boat and we got holes in the left side of the boat... and the people on the right are pointing at the holes on the left and the people on the left are pointing at the holes on the right..

The entire boat is sinking... not just one side or the other...

the left and the right both suck... they are both owned by corporations and big business... Everybody knows this yet continue to argue for their "pretend" side... there is NO sides...

Its a shell game that keeps us busy while they empty our pockets... the LEFT pocket AND the RIGHT pocket... Divided people just continue to argue with each other year after year over the SAME damn issues handed out by the government to the media while they continue to slowly bleed the people of their wealth and property

And it works FLAWLESSLY time and time again... Keywords = Abortion - Gays - social security - race - ECT...

mineistaken

WTF is that? How do you distribute "fairly"? Everybody should get what he/she us worth.
Their is no "fair" distribution, it is just robbing the more successful (see how much income tax would 250K guy pay) and gifting that to some lazy fucktard (chronic welfare types).
How much more "fair" do you want to guy?

People like you (losers' apologists) make me sick.

Grapesoda

would say that's 'preventive...; give an inch take a mile etc..

how about take the guns from blacks and Hispanics then? then you'll hear some real crying and cheat beating BUT gun violence will drop

I would say POLITICIANS aren't realistic when it comes to anything and I would not blames the NRA

Grapesoda

wouldn't know... here: small minds think about people, medium minds think about events, quality minds think about ideas.... my friends and I discuss ways to improve our personal and professional lives. and we are all earners so we don't looks for reasons for failure

Grapesoda

yeah I love when a state says we'll get the funds from the federal government... like I can't figure out that funding comes from me as well

arock10

So this is why red states are primarily taker states and blue states aren't?

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GregE

In all fairness, most people vote according to what they perceive as being best for themselves and their families.

They're called "pocketbook issues" and they have always defined electoral outcomes.

Or as Bill Clinton famously put it: "It's the economy stupid".

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Grapesoda

fair enough and the reason for the pork barreling issue .. way to change that?

I always felt that the typical America wishes everyone well, hopes they have food, shelter, clean water and safety. for themselves and their children... and as much as the world wishes to blame whitey for their issues, some of the blame mast be placed squarely on the local governments in those regions at some point.... most world issues are insurmountable do to the 'moral hazard' .. this one area where the left seems to be brain dead for sure... sending 10 million to some world lord in a foreign county is only a feel good action but will in the end only make things worse or extend the current situation at best.

Grapesoda

in all seriousness I see the left as extending blanket support with out accountability in many cases... I disagree with that policy.. I need to be AND am accountable for my actions so shouldn't others be?

crockett

Where do you idiots come up with this horse shit? What is your thoughts on welfare states with in the union? Most red states usually can not collect enough taxes to pay for their own operation. This means they require federal subsidies in return to keep their states from going bankrupt. Guess that's different though am I right?

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mineistaken

Invalid argument about red states for many many reasons. And on top of that - people in US do not necessary vote republican or democrat based on that particular thing. Many vote because of unrelated issues such as religion, war, gay rights, drug rights and so on and on.
Meaning even welfare person could vote republican because of any of those reasons.

crockett

No it's not invalid, you lump together all liberals and democrats to claim they are takers, but when actual facts are brought forward to show that most red states are welfare queens you then claim it's different.. As usual conservatives can't stop telling us how great they are and how bad everyone else is but when they are shown to be wrong there is always some lala land excuse to make themselves feel better.

How typical..

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kane

I have long said that the biggest move the republican party ever did was getting much of the poor south to vote against its own economic interests.

deltav

You are never ever ever ever etc going to get through to these guys. For whatever reason their psyches are just not built to handle it. Props for trying though, I guess.

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Cherry7

People who know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

People living together produce goods needed to live. How wealth is divided up is artificial and based on the power relations in any society.

You may think that the person who created facebook should receive more wealth than millions of people who work producing food. Or a mother who raises an amazing human being, or a poet who creates a poem which captures an idea of love that lasts for a thousand years.

Look around and you may find that the "losers" are walking along to beach watching the sun go down listening to some beautiful music, living life in a forfiling way...

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mineistaken

Exactly - every US poor person is voting against own economic interest if he voted for republican.
If you are poor - you should vote left (more stealing from rich and more "redistributing to poor).


Not exactly what I said, I was more on the page of left vs right economic views.
I know that there are some conservatives who are for stealing from rich and "redistributing" to poor, as well as there are some liberals who agree that everyone should get what they deserve.

mineistaken

How poetic.
Now my example that happens more often than yours:

Doctor making $150K and MCD flipper making $25K.
high tecg ngineer making 250K and burger king flipper making 25K.
Small business owner (job creator) making 450K and burger flipper making 25K.

How many times each one is more valuable than burger flipper and how much are they being punished by theft of their income? I would understand FAIR if they all paid the same percentage in income tax (imagine 10% of 250k and 10% of 25K). It would still be that higher earning person would be punished for being a quality member by paying 10 TIMES more than low quality society member. You hear that - even I admit that 10 TIMES would still be fair. But that is not enough for losers' apologists like you - percentage on higher quality society members are even higher! So that 10 TIMES is actually more like 20 or 30, or 50 TIMES. Yes, one quality society member pays the same amount as 50 low quality members combined... And that is still not enough and not "fair" for leftist scumbags (should I say thievery propagators) like you!

The more you educate yourself, groom yourself, give value to society the more you get punished by income theft. And vica versa - the more you are lazy, uneducated, loser - the more you benefit from society by "redistribution" of wealth.

tony286

burger flippers wished they made 25 K lol

_Richard_

written by liberals.. against liberals?

yes.. makes sense..

tony286

Facts dont work for them, dont waste your time.

_Richard_

missed this -

mopek1

I agree ...

johnny o

what planet are you on? politicians are owned by corporations. please don't tell me this is news to you. do i really need to cite examples of how corporations write laws?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...tate-laws.html

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johnny o

please go buy a clue:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...-Help-Veterans
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...t-is-dangerous

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/10/us...tion.html?_r=0

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johnny o

vendzilla has all his faux news talking points down. wanna place a bet that hillary will win in 2016? let's put some money on this. doesn't even matter who's running against her.

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go team

TCLGirls

1.
"Much has been said over the past few weeks about the budget proposal in the House of Representatives, offered by Rep. Paul Ryan, and backed by Republican members, but not much has been said about how it will affect our veterans. As you know, the Paul Ryan plan will end Medicare, making it a voucher program, leaving seniors to buy their own insurance in the private system. It will therefore end one of the most popular and successful initiatives ever offered.

This plan will also punish veterans - harshly - and it's important that you spread the word on how it will do so."

http://www.votevets.org/pages/?id=0047

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"U.S. Senate Republicans blocked legislation on Thursday that would have expanded federal healthcare and education programs for veterans, saying the $24 billion bill would bust the budget."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1Q26O20140227


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"For those who continue to believe that obstructionism at any cost is not the goal of the Senate Republicans, consider the behavior of the GOP Senators who, on Friday, blocked a bi-partisan effort to pass a bill that would put veterans to work in jobs that look after the nation?s federal land while also giving our fighting men and women a leg up when it comes to getting them hired by local police and fire departments."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-need-of-jobs/

mopek1

You can post all the proof possible and even have the whole REP party call Vendzilla and admit it yet he still won't accept what you say.

mopek1

Yes you do. But he still won't admit he was wrong or agree on anything.

If he responds to you he will simply attack your character.

2MuchMark

Not a good analogy. Fortunately both conservatives and liberals have evolved into human beings since those awful days.


But Vendzilla, the regulations are in place to make sure that people don't break the rules. The problem isn't too much regulate - the problem is not enough regulation. Businesses leave a regulated area because they would rather save money by polluting more or hiring child labour, than pay their fare share and do whats right. You can blame your buddy Mittens Romney for that.


Typical republican bullshit. George W Bush destroyed millions of jobs. Obama has been busy replacing them all. Republicans bitched forever that the unemployment rate was too high (and blamed Obama for it). Now he has this number way down, and idiotic moronic dorks like you shift the argument. Instead of admitting that unemployment is down, you say the jobs suck. Be careful Vendzilla - Sean Hannity's dick will turn blue from all the sucking you give it.

LOL!! How. Fucking. Stupid. are you? This lie came about when it was reported that the US bought a ton of ammo because it was CHEAP to buy in BULK. Since then, uneducated hillbillies like you think OBAMA IS STEALING YOUR BULLETS. Let me tell you something: Those assholes in Nevada are nothing more than stupid little kids playing cowboys and Indians. They think and act and feel like big shots because they carry assault rifles and other shit. The truth is though that they are breaking the law, they are defending a WELFARE COWBOY who is also dumb as a post, and they have idiots like you cheering them on.

You are such a sad fucking case.

Grapesoda

so politicians aren't the issue then?

12clicks

odd that...

12clicks

you want wealth distributed fairly I suggest you stop playing webmaster and get a fucking job. You're poor because you refuse to work hard, not because others DO work hard.

12clicks

existing wealth has NOTHING to do with your own failure. Someone else's inheritance is simply your excuse to fail.

Grapesoda

whoa! yer killing me

Vendzilla

You know that the DailyKos is a liberal website don't you, they won't tell all the truth behind why they vetoed those bills

Wow, guess you missed where I'm working on the Hillary Super pac, so try to keep top the subject and not rely on the same old it's fox news Bullshit

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think about that

Vendzilla

Hey dip shit, lets say we cap all the air pollution that the US puts out, how will that effect what China puts out? We put a cap on them here, so they move to China. Fucking moron thinks that China will listen to us?

If your a burger flipper, you probably owe it to Obama, because he's not doing anything that makes good jobs, just low wage jobs, even Jon Stewart said that on his show!

Median wages are down 8%
Because all the high paying jobs are gone, you blame Bush for that? I blame the asshole that's in charge now! He's the one that spent almost a trillion dollars on shovel ready jobs, Jesus, sometimes you really have shit for brains!

You're a really fucking idiot,

The Obama Administration says that federal law enforcement agents need the ammunition for “mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions.”

The total the feds have bought for the IRS, DHS and a few others is 2 BILLION rounds.

There are currently more than 70 different federal law enforcement agencies employing over 120,000 officers with arrest and firearms authority.

That's over 16,000 rounds per agent, or more ammo than was used in the Iraq war.

I guess the math classes in Canada are really shitty if you think that's ok!

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think about that

arock10

its not a party till 12clicks shows up

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mopek1

That got a chuckle out of me ... thanks.

mopek1

Pollution isn't just co2 which I am not in favor of caps btw.

It's also companies who just dump the toxic by products of their day to day production activities into drinking water, land, air etc... without having to pay for a responsible disposing method.

mopek1

You're not really addressing his point. But then again, that's not why you're here.