crockett

This right here is exact proof that shows there is a major separation from reality vs conservative dreamland.

The facts are sex education have been taught in schools for as long as I can remember. When I was in jr high school I sat through sex ed, and my parents had to sign for it. Meaning my parents had the choice to allow me to take sex ed or not. Condoms were available to any student via the guidance office. You could take them for free.

This is a choice your parents had the ability to allow or no allow you to take sex ed. Students had access to condemns if they felt they needed them. No one was forced to do anything they didn't want to and parents had the choice to allow their kids to take sex education. That was reality not made of fairly land that superbonzo tries to elude to.

Now on the flip side conservatives have fought to have sex education removed from schools as well as remove access to birth control, something that was always in place and allowed people freedom to choose or not to. They try to take away people freedom of choice by denying access. Then turn around and try to say liberals are forcing their views and beliefs on them.

It's ludicrous and stupidity running amok. The fact that superbonzo posts a picture like that with complete ignorance of what the facts are show that people on the right are usually uninformed of actual facts. Rather than look at what the actual policy of the right is m they post stupid little pictures trying to tell us what their fairly land beliefs are as if it is actual fact.

crockett

This right here is exact proof that shows there is a major separation from reality vs conservative lala land.

The facts are sex education have been taught in schools for as long as I can remember. When I was in jr high school I sat through sex ed, and my parents had to sign for it. Meaning my parents had the choice to allow me to take sex ed or not. Condoms were available to any student via the guidance office. You could take them for free.

This is a choice your parents had the ability to allow or no allow you to take sex ed. Students had access to condemns if they felt they needed them. No one was forced to do anything they didn't want to and parents had the choice to allow their kids to take sex education. That was reality not made of fairly land that superbonzo tries to elude to.

Now on the flip side conservatives have fought to have sex education removed from schools as well as remove access to birth control, something that was always in place and allowed people freedom to choose or not to. They try to take away people freedom of choice by denying access. Then turn around and try to say liberals are forcing their views and beliefs on them.

It's ludicrous and stupidity running amok. The fact that superbonzo posts a picture like that with complete ignorance of what the facts are show that people on the right are usually uninformed of actual facts. Rather than look at what the actual policy of the right is m they post stupid little pictures trying to tell us what their fairly land beliefs are as if it is actual fact.

sperbonzo

Talk about a bizarre post! LMAO!!!


What fairy land was I alluding to?

Where did I say that republicans and conservatives were correct? My first post was that the liberals and conservatives were BOTH wrong... Didn't you get that?

What about that picture of Bush and Obama being the same that you quoted, is wrong?




I'm thinking that you either have completely lost the ability to comprehend my posts, or you are so utterly blinded by party loyalty that you have lost all logic left in you.... Or you lost your reading glasses and you are staring at a blurry screen.




...or maybe you are just trolling, in which case the joke is on me.

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crockett

I'm posting on a tablet, so I'm browsing the mobile version of gfy which you have to click on pictures to view them. When I went back to quote your post I quoted the wrong picture..

This is the picture I intended to quote.

The entire basis of that cartoon is absurd and completely lacking of any realm of actual reality. Hence my response.

bronco67

When I'm sitting in Dunkin Donuts and can hear the conversation of a bunch of old white guys(and a few younger ones) -- and I hear Obama ni**ger this and that, and they just complain about taxes, and the usual conservative bitching points, it's not hard to guess what their political affiliation is.

Why do you think all of these "freedom loving" militia groups have popped up in the last 5 years? Wasn't that when Obama was elected?

Like I said, being Republican doesn't make someone a racist, but most of the hardcore racists fall in line with the same politics as conservatives on other issues. They have "god and guns" in common. So don't get offended and think you're being called a bigot because of your politics. I don't know a thing about you. I'm saying your party is where most of the bad ones live.

You would have to be kidding yourself to think something like the rise of the Tea Party isn't somehow related to fear of a black president. Just hang out in some of their message boards and you'll catch some ugly talk. They're an extension of the old confederacy.

just look at the last electoral map. It's the union and confederacy basically. Explain this because it's not a big reach to make the comparison.


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slapass

You claim to not have one liberal friend who is good in business and all your liberal friends are sucking off the govt teat. Most people would have a fair amount of cross over in their world. Yours is very monochrome.

Grapesoda

study your history, the north east was settled in the beginning primarily by conservative religious groups fleeing government persecution from north east England while the south was settled by poor Celts escaping persecution from the rich English land owners and the government

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Grapesoda

first off I'm not 'claiming anything'.. I'm stating the facts of my situation. stop trying to rewrote what I 've posted... and no I really don't know people that are pro higher taxes that have businesses

TCLGirls

Here's some people:

"Warren Buffett isn?t the only rich guy who wants to higher taxes on the rich.

A new survey from Spectrem Group found that 68% of millionaires (those with investments of $1 million or more) support raising taxes on those with $1 million or more in income. Fully 61% of those with net worths of $5 million or more support the tax on million-plus earners."

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/10/...x-on-the-rich/

Vendzilla

I can watch MTV and rappers hating everyone, is that your case?

Militia groups have been around a long time, but when people start getting a problem buying ammo because of a frenzy of the IRS and other federal groups buying it all up, yeah, people get worried

I just hate Obama, he's a bad leader and only represents the democrats, not the people, that doesn't make me a republican, I'm not.

I'm not offended, I feel sorry for you when that's all you got to defend the asshole in the white house.

I feel sorry for you that after hearing a couple guys in a donut shop make you judge millions of people on their actions, that's very sad and not what MLK wanted.

That's funny, considering the southern democrats, which was the bigger party of the Confederate started the KKK.

Way to go on the Tea Party, you don't want to be judged on the color of your skin, but you are ready to judge anyone that protests the spending in government as a racist, doesn't make you a very open minded person.

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Funny, you think things haven't changed, you should read a little more, Lincoln won in the North as the first Republican President in 1861

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think about that

Grapesoda

uhh... I'm not friends with Warren Buffet

mopek1

Pretending to be non-partisan and then showing your colors at the end.

The happiest people are the ones who are emotionally mature and who are able to build and maintain satisfying social relationships of all kinds (family, friends, work, hobbies, neighbors etc...). It has nothing to do with being liberal/conservative.

Sorry but this was another post bashing liberals from you. I rarely, if ever, see it the other way around when you start a topic.

TCLGirls

I am just pointing out to you that there indeed does exist business owners who are advocating for higher taxes...since you said you do not know of any.

Vendzilla

Raising taxes to Clinton era levels would generate about 40 to 45 billion dollars which would fund the government for about 8 days, so what's the point?

Obama's traveling expenses are higher than that

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think about that

Grapesoda

you do realize you're fucked up in the head correct?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/op...-all.html?_r=0

Scholars on both the left and right have studied this question extensively, and have reached a consensus that it is conservatives who possess the happiness edge. Many data sets show this.

Grapesoda

well I'm just pointing out to you that I stated all the business owners I FUCKING PERSONALLY KNOW don't want higher taxes... a guy worth 4 mil, getting stuck for another 250k per year is not really in same league as a guy with 100 billion fucking dollars is he? BTW I do NOT KNOW Buffet, DO YOU UNDERTAND NOW?

sperbonzo

Firstly, you aren't aware of the whole issue, forcing everyone to pay for a product that anyone can easily pay for by themselves is silly and wrong.. .
and secondly, that you are seeing some kind of endorsement of the conservative position in that post, let alone a harkening to some kind of conservative fairy land... Is just bizarre. Where are you getting this stuff from?
THE POST IS SHOWING THE ABSURDITY IN BOTH SIDES ON MOST ISSUES. LIBERALS THAT WANT TO FORCE PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THE THINGS THAT THE LIBERALS LIKE AND CONSERVATIVES THAT WANT TO BAN THINGS THAT THEY DON'T LIKE.

Are you really this obtuse and blinded by party loyalty that any criticism of your party must be an endorsement of the Republicans?




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TCLGirls

Why are you getting hostile? I am not challenging the fact that you don't know any business people who advocate for higher taxes. You have already clearly established the fact that you don't know them. I think everyone here will all agree that you don't know any of those people.

I am simply stating that there are business people out there, like Buffett, that do in fact advocate for higher taxes. I am not saying that you know them, or must get to know them. I am just pointing out that those people exists.

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mopek1

You say that based on an article from the NY Times reporting on a study which happens to be re-printed all over the net.

The study concludes that marriage and religion correlate to happiness. Not political ideology.

It so happens that more conservatives are married and religious. Mainly due to pressure from their culture. Not due to freedom of choice.

Now, correlation is NOT the same as causation. A correlation just means there may be a link to the result not a CAUSE.

Also, the study "asked" people whether they were happy and didn't evaluate them psychologically, which would have been much more effective. They also asked which way they leaned politically which to me taints the study. People in questionnaires can lie or give answers they feel others would approve of, or answers they are more comfortable giving. You really have to ask many different questions in many different ways that are not so obvious to get a more truthful answer and that amount can be up to 200 questions. They are then analyzed for consistency.

According to psychologists people who are religious/conservative are also most likely to repress their emotions and so just 'say' they are happy all the time. Most people right or left feel that things are okay when they are not allowed to access their deeper feelings. Feeling sad and depressed is almost sinful to a religious conservative which would result in the disapproval of the herd and possible exclusion from it as well. The idea of needing psychotherapy is a frightening one for the reason just stated so of course they will 'SAY' that they are happier.

Keep trying. It will take a lot more than that to convince me.

Oh and about your first comment ... 'no' ... I realize that you have blinders on and see in only one direction and don't want to see anything else.

crockett

The reason the comic is absurd is because it tries to dumb down the actual facts on a fairly important issue. Democrats are not trying to force anyone to use birth control. Republicans are however trying to ban birth control and sex ed.

Trying to dumb down the topics by trying to make both sides seem equally bad seriously undermines the problem at hand. The simple fact is Republican or conservatives if you like are extremely wrong on this topic and their stance greatly increases teenage pregnancy. It's been proven in states like Texas where they have followed through with the Right wing agenda of no sex education & no birth control. Guess what teenage pregnancies skyrocketed.

Trying to compare Democrats whom want to keep the sex ed programs in place and give out birth control as even remotely close to the same absurdity as what Republicans have done on this issue is pure ignorance.

Democrats are actually trying to solve a serious issue while Republicans attempt to put biblical law on the books. This is not a "both" sides are wrong issue, the Right is very fucking wrong the left is trying to fix the problem that was never a problem until the Right came along claiming sex ed was bad.

Trying to dumb down issues like this just adds credibility to the absurdity that is the conservative platform on issues like birth control, teaching the bible at tax payer funded schools, denial of basic science. This list could go on and on, but lets hope you can get the point and see there is a major difference between the right and left on these issues and it's not the left that is fucking things up on these kinds of issues. It's the Religious Right pushing absurd agendas.

mopek1

Amen brother.

mopek1

He doesn't want to see any study or article that proves him wrong. He won't even read these.

He believes that he can quote a source and say it is gospel but nobody else can.

I will now add to your list with these two discussions:

1- http://scienceblogs.com/mixingmemory...dunno-is-it-r/

Basically it talks about how plain old asking how people are feeling is inaccurate for study purposes - the study he quoted uses that simple method to asses happiness.

2- http://www.modern-cynic.org/2012/03/...than-liberals/

This discussion analyzes the study he quoted and finds there isn't much of a statistically significant difference among political ideologies.

Like I said it has nothing to do with right/left views.

deltav

I'm not sure why you guys think the OP was actually interested in a give-and-take discussion, or that he'll suddenly become capable of nuanced thinking or any kind of self-reflection. The original post was just a "I'm conservative and we are awesome, lib'ruls suck" thing and no amount of reasoning will change the mindset.

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mopek1

Perfectly said.

My thoughts exactly.

Grapesoda

I've only stated what and who I personally know... nothing else, buffet is welcome to pay as much tax as he wishes, just like you can pay as much as you wish

Grapesoda

have you considered working for a living? it will take your mind off a bunch of worthless bullshit

Grapesoda

wow dude you live in some weird fucking paranoid world for sure... I'm not pretending anything at all.. I'm stating my situation. I'm not bashing anyone HOWTHEFUCKEVER think whatever makes your dick hard on Saturday night

TCLGirls

The point of taxes is to have uniform rates across the board for all similarly situated persons. So it is pointless to argue that Buffett should pay as much taxes as he wants, if other similarly situated person do not have the same tax rate. Taxes will never work that way if only one person has the burden to shoulder the heavier tax rate. That's why Buffett is advocating for increased taxes for millionaires across the board, not simply just for himself.

johnny o

i love when fiscal conservatives vote for two wars on a credit card, increasing our debt.
shall we touch on the pro-life agenda? "we're pro life until your born, then your on your own"
american conservatives are the ONLY people who claim to be pro-life, while being pro-war, pro-defund welfare, pro-defund veteran's care, pro-death penalty, pro-gun (even at the expense of our nation's children) pro-torture.

conservatives want LESS gov't, smaller gov't (except when it comes to legislating what is a legal marriage, abortion, more tax loopholes, separation of church and state etc.)

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I think this is very true. Neither the Democrats or the Republicans represent the value system of the average American today. Most people I know are socially VERY liberal (not Obama-liberal, but genuinely live and let live) and most people I know are some amount of fiscally conservative tempered with some amount of charitable.

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anyone care to argue any of these points?

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kane

Same here. Myself and pretty much everyone I know are fairly financially conservative and believe in trying to live within your means, but socially they are more liberal. These days, however, the political parties are so divided that both pander to their base so neither seems to actually embrace that type of attitude.

I think we are starting to see more and more of it on local levels as even some of the red states are staring to legalize gay marriage and things are starting to change slowly, but on a federal level it is still divided ideals as always.

TCLGirls

I doubt that there are vast amounts of people who make a conscious attempt to continually live outside their means. I think the majority of those who do live outside their means simply have difficulty accurately gauging their true financial means, and the related consequences.

kane

I guess it depends on how you gauge it. There are plenty of people who are up to their eyes in debt because they have homes, cars etc that they can't normally afford so they get them on credit.

Most people have some debt, these days you really can't buy a house or a car without it unless you make a ton of money, but I know people that will run up $10K to take a vacation then they will spend the rest of the year broke because they are paying that vacation off.

Credit is so easy to get these days that it is no wonder everything costs so much. Rarely to you even see big ticket items marketed at their actual price, but instead they are marketed at the monthly payment price.

KillerK

They need to do some sort of Flat Tax, no exceptions, everyone pays the same % ...

I doubt we'll ever see it though.

mopek1

I agree. That describes myself and most people I know too.

tony286

not Obama liberal ? What does that mean because if you look at his policies not the bullshit the pundits tell you, he is far from liberal more like gop lite.

Grapesoda

the point of taxes is to finance the kings whims and fancies, protect the realm. nothing more. nothing less. seems like I had just read that the 1% pays 37% of the tax base and probably provide 85% of the jobs.... how about this instead:

lower the price of oil to $30 a barrel, and stop blowing money we don't have?

Grapesoda

I agree. 90% of America is small farms and farming communities who want nothing to do with big city shenanigans

Grapesoda

reality check: corps are not the issue... the issues are the politicians

Grapesoda

too bad the gays aren't about 60% of the population.... be a much more festive world with a lower birth rate

Vendzilla

Everyone voted for the two wars, only later to say they don't support them, then have a new president come in and go back to the first war to escalate it

I have never heard of anyone saying they are for defunding veterans care. Most conservatives are pro veteran.
I think most want the federal government smaller and the state to make the guidlines for these topics like the constitution lays out!

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think about that

crockett

90% of the country does not equal 90% of the population. The US is just like every other modern country in the world most of the population lives in cities. Not in the rural lands.. Example the population of the entire state of Utah is 2.8 million. Nevada is 2.7 million. Meanwhile the population of LosAngeles is 3.8 million. Austin a smaller city than Dallas, Houston or even San Antiono has a population of almost a million.

Why should states like Nevada or Utah have anymore say than a city like LA? Btw the city numbers only count the people in the actual city limits and not the suburbs.

Grapesoda

good point



also found this factoid while searching for the numbers above

According to 2008 data from the Centers for Disease Control, “60% of U.S. firearm homicides occurred in [only] 62 cities.” These tend to be isolated to the largely black and poor areas of major cities. -

2MuchMark

I don't know all of the programs that the US Gov has but I'm sure some are bloated. What I hate seeing though is that things like the Environmental Protection Agency not getting nearly enough, or, getting walked on by Dick Cheeney and groups like Duke energy. The EPA is probably the most important agency that the US has and conservatives want to abolish it. That idea is so nuts to me.

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Personally I have a MAJOR problem with a ton of these government agencies. They are running around creating federal laws with NO legislative oversight. They are creating them as "regulations", but these "regulations" involve fines, federal jail time, etc... for violations. We are SUPPOSED to have a system whereby representatives of the people are supposed to VOTE on whether to create a new law or not, but these agencies are creating THOUSANDS of these new laws while answering to no one at all. This is not how a democratic republic is supposed to work and it's very very dangerous. There are so many instances of insane laws being created that it's getting ridiculous and there is basically nothing that can be done about it, since the EPA, FDA, and the other agencies don't answer to congress or the people at all. They are run by only two types of people. Either full on government-type administrators who have NO IDEA of the ramifications on the businesses and lives of the people that they are affecting, or industry reps whose sole motivation is to protect the biggest corporations from small startups and competition.



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