Paul Markham

If you filled a truck with Evian bottled water bottles and placed it outside the shop selling Evian bottled water, watch sales plummet. Damian hit it right and quoted I've been saying it for years. Like you I think the business skills of online porn are negligible.

You have to think of what is "Quality porn"? Nothing to do with the images definition of lighting, etc.

My concentrating on quality porn covers everything from amateur to Playboy. quality porn is about generating the illusion in the viewers head. Examples.

For Amateur the viewer has to think this is a person hes likely to meet, someone who lives on his street, that she/he's doing this for the fun of it. As an amateur.

For Teen she has to give the illusion she's a teen and not a 25 year old in pig tails. I shot happy, cute teasing teens. Well that was the aim.

For Glamor she has to give the impression she's a girl at the top of her game, very beautiful, sultry, desirable and maybe a little out of the viewers reach. Depends who the viewer is.

These are just s few examples and there are many variations.

so why is concentrating on the quality of the product good?

1,000s can grab a camera point it at a naked girl and shoot. Only 100s can create good porn quality porn. It immediately cuts out a lot of the competition. And that's online porn's biggest mistake. They made opening a porn site and filling it pretty easy.

They made being an affiliate the easiest thing possible in business. They saturated the business with low level.

Few can shoot Met-Art, FTV, Alsscan or for magazines. They have less to compete with. The quality end of the content is the best way to remove the opposition. It just needs more money invested in the beginning and why so few could do it.

Look at it from my side, I met loads of people who had a great deal to do with me. that would of earned me less than I was earning. 9 times out of 10 it meant shooting content for less than we could sell it elsewhere, or giving them content to do a share arrangement on, or turn our studio over to web cams.

Or for some guy to bring Russian girls to our studio for us to shoot while he sites there and translates. If that was your deal, then it's a wonder why I even bothered with you.

I didn't need girls, had loads of them in Czech, remember I had 3 Czech girls who could shoot, so no language barrier and lots of work, we don't want girls flying 1,000 miles to work, what if we don't like them? We can't kick them out and we would. No shooter is happy with someone translating their instructions to a model. Has to be really necessary.

It's not my reasoning, it's the reasoning I read again and again on GFY from others. You missed that.

However if the product is available for free at the point of consumption, what does that do for sales?

We can't create the image that consuming porn is cool.

Marketing will get people onto a site for an initial join. After that will marketing keep them in. Or will they stay because of the content?

If they keep signing up to sites on the basis of the marketing and find the members area doesn't live up to it. Will many learn to ignore the marketing and only go on the content they see?

Marketing is important and I'm sure Damian's ideas, will get people to a site and will get some in. That's his job finished. After that it's the job of the content producers to keep the member rebilling. And that's where many have fallen down in the past.

You met me, thought I was a crap shooter, idiot and you didn't like me. Still inflicted me on your assistant for the day and even came home with me.

What you missed was we could afford a studio and staff. I was selling offline at a very healthy margin and didn't need to impress you. 7 years later still making sales. And if you can't figure out why here it is.

No porn consumer gives a flying fuck what I'm like. He cares if my porn gets his dick up. And if I'm still selling after 34 years I think the question is answered.

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3 pages and no one has come up with an answer. Just the usual drivel.

Is there a solution and is it an affordable solution to the decline in paysite sales?

Marketing isn't the solution. Or we're fucking awful at it, so need to get some good marketing guys in.

That's why I posted the thread. Is it possible today?

When you read what some write about the awesome sales some are making, you would think increasing them by a small % would of been easy. But obviously it's not today.

I was under the impression that some were doing 1,000s of joins a day. you wouldn't have to increase joins by 100 a day, there's retention as well. Also why add 3 scenes a day that's the same as the 1,000s already on the site at a cost of $500 - what ever a scene. You have a live girl to entice the viewers. Add only 2 and then it costs nothing or even less.

Shap said he was adding 2 videos and 3 sets a day, Twistys was already full of content and the additions were just new faces or old faces in a new locations. Cut it down and add less to pay for the live girl. In fact a live girl for 5-6 hours can put out 3 good 30 minute scenes. Record it and archive it.

Put it on the Twistys tour with a date "So and So model will be here live on 23.11.11" Label on her tour pic and alter her page on the tour.

Then shoot some of it soft and stick it on Youtube. Think of the marketing possibilities with a site that has something different than the other 1,000s of sites.

People need to think about it more, or do I lay the whole thing out on a plate?

I know she retired. Are you saying she now works on TV? Or that 3waycash couldn't afford to pay her enough to own the content as they shot it and then pay her straight off to do promotion?

Models are about money, pay them and they do the work.

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DamianJ

Yes. I told you that when she retired.

Sorry you find this confusing.

Jakez

Fuck you and your thread, do you know how many good threads you've ruined with your nonsense? And you want people to stay on topic in your thread? Get over yourself nutjob.

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TheSquealer

Let me help you one more time you dumb fucking moron... by saying the same shit i've said many times already and which you seem to completely ignore.

We came to CZ. Not to you. We were in Prague. I wanted to talk to you about shooting girls for mini solo sites. I talked to a few people about it. I didn't want anything nice. Quick and dirty, nothing nice. Nothing expensive. Just 25-30 sets per girl for mini, free solo sites to promote the cam sites. Our deal was that Eva and your assistant were going to do it. NOT YOU. fucking dumbass. The whole thing had very little do with you. There was nothing in the equation about hiring the Totally Amazing Paul Markham to shoot expensive content. That was understood well before I went to Brno. You actually made us a great deal but dealing with you wasn't worth it.

As i've explained to you many many times, i needed to take them somewhere outside of the country because of the laws against production and distribution and there were limited options due to visa requirements and availability of photographers.

I would beg you to stop being a total fucking idiot, but i know how futile that is. We came, we met you, we looked around, we politely accepted your offer to dinner at your home but we knew within minutes of even meeting you that you were too much of a fucking lunatic and dipshit to deal with. The going to your studio, the shoot and everything else was just done out of morbid curiosity and to be polite.

You've been proven time and time again to be a total liar. You have no credibility. You're an arrogant ass who lives in some bizarre delusional fantasy world where you are something more than you are. NO ONE here who has been around thinks you have ANY credibility to talk about porn sales, website sites, conversions, retention or even fucking business. You're a retired, crazy old man on a pension. You are not even in the business. When your meager pension eclipses your porn sales and your wife is forced to get a job, you're not in porn anymore. You are a has been and a failure. 34 years of content and work that ended up being a total waste of time because you're too much of an arrogant ass to learn anything.

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Paul Markham

So did she own the content, 3 waycash own it or was she doing a split deal in lieu of straight cash?

Is the TV she works on Adult or Mainstream?

Seems to me if 3waycash owned the rights to the site and content and she's now on an Adult Channel, the marketing possibilities are great.

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So now you're saying you wanted to take Eva and one of our assistants off shooting for the premium market to shoot cheap sets for you.

You're deluded if you think we would of done that to earn pennies. Now please stop lying out of you ass. There no fucking way I would of let 2 of the staff work on cheap sets for you or anyone else. That's well know here on the boards, we never bothered shooting cheap sets. Not for you or anyone else.

Simply a matter of finances, we could shoot for magazines and earn top money, then put it into the stores and earn more. 25-30 sets of a girl. That's 5-6 days work for us per girl. We don't knock out 10 sets a day. We're not that good.

We could only mange 2-3. we were very slow. In fact Eva was slower than me and both our assistant shooters were slower. Katka the make up artist and shooter was very slow and very exact in her shooting. Jana was not the girl to knock out 5 sets a day either. Doing it with you translating would of ground the whole day to a crawl.

You're a fucking liar.

So you came, saw I was an asshole, saw I was running a nice operation and then subjected you and your assistant to a whole day of me. You're a fucking liar or a fool. A polite, "No we must be off." would of done fine. You don't seem the polite type. No you stayed with this asshole out of "curiosity"

And Farther Christmas, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy exist.

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Why online porn is full of shit marketing.

Professional marketing requires people who understand the product. Thinking quality porn is Penthouse/Playboy porn is a sign of ignorance of the product and it's functions.

Professional marketing requires people who understand the consumer. Thinking he's a fool for buying porn isn't understanding him.

Thinking no one will buy porn because so much of it is free. Then multiplying the amount of free content a 10,000s of times. Is about the most stupid marketing strategy ever.

Porn never was and never should be hard to sell. Open a shop, fill it with porn, paint the windows black, put up a sign saying "Porn Shop" and take the money.

A product that is easy to sell, shouldn't be given away for free in quantities that make buying it hard to sell.

Finding useless excuses for people not buying isn't marketing. Finding ways to sell to more of the same people not buying is marketing.

Having a show and excluding the consumers is dumb. Consumers need to be sold to and listened to. Meeting them in the flash is the best way to do it. Offline porn knew that.

Which is why after 12 plus years of you guys marketing porn, selling it has never been harder. The job of marketing people is to make selling it easier.

Still with an industry where an idiot thinks other idiots are going to be convinced we were going to give over our studio and 2 of our staff to shoot 25-30 "Quick and dirty, nothing nice" sets not expensive. I'm sure many will be convinced. Wouldn't do that with one girl, let alone a lot of them.

But this idiot did spend the day with me to be polite and he was curious.

What exactly do you do now for a living?

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TheSquealer

Paul, I honesty don't know how you got this far in life without killing yourself by trying to toast bread in the shower or something.

Obviously we were not planning to shoot everything at once you sorry fucking dimwit. I was talking about our plans for the sites. .

And yeah, you keep telling yourself and everyone how much you could have made selling content to magazines and elsewhere. The fact is you were struggling, .... No, you were in a full panic to stay in biz. You had just launched your discount store, were trying to start paysites and tgps and trying to lease your studio for daily rates to keep afloat. In less than 18 months you were on gyf begging for money to pay your bills and explaining that eve Eva had to get a job cleaning.

papill0n

where is your brilliant marketing then paul ?

where are your sucessful sites?

you do an awful lot of talking paul but have you ever heard the expression all talk and no action ?

you keep dribbling shit and crying about the state of online porn(something 99.9% of members are fully aware of) yet thats all you are doing - driubbling shit and crying.

and after so many posts telling us how fucking brilliant you are all you have to show us is............ http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com

I mean you have to be fucking kidding me

porno jew

how many people make a living with online porn compared to how many did during the mag and vhs days. even with the state of the industry and economy there can be know comparison. paul will never ever grasp that.

DamianJ

No, he has www.astral-blue.com too. I love how he did the design himself.

this is really the main tour. It's not something I've mocked up in 2 minutes to take the piss. It's the real site.



This is the real doozy. He's sat on a goldmine with all that old UK vintage porn. But he has NO CLUE how to market it.

It's a shame seeing that bankable content being pissed away. I've offered to buy it from him twice but he won't sell.

plsureking

and he keeps bugging me to release my client list to him. says he can help PornCMS clients improve their sites and do better marketing.

having Markham on ignore has made this thread much more tolerable...

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paul would make more money uploading all his shit to filesonic and posting in the classic porn sections for the free porn boards tbh.

Paul Markham

Lying again.

You were here in 2004. We shot this scene 9296 on June 14th 2004. You were there when we shot it. I have the paperwork if you don't believe me.

We were not struggling in 2004, we had the magazines buying, we had one content store doing well, saw the missing market for cheap sets with less restrictions like giving them to affiliates was there so opened the bargain store. It was 4 years later that Eva had her accident, our found ot our bank accounts were only accessible by her (A big mistake I have openly admitted to) and in need of sales so I could draw money out with my credit card to pay staff, studio rent and server cost. Wasn't begging, that's Damian's trolling, we were offering cut price deals and got loads of them. When I got access to the company accounts had no need to give these deals.

It was 2 years later that Eva took up a job after nursing me back to a condition where I didn't need her at home.

Nice to see you and the truth are strangers. All this is clearly known and in threads from the time.

So let me see what the deal was.

You were going to fly girls in from Russia, to take 2 of our team to shoot (at the same time with 2 girls coming over or 1 girls at a time?). This would of meant using use our studio, team and equipment for a week at a time. And to shoot "not expensive" sets. What $300 a set or $150?

And all this for a handful of girls. And you confused me not being knocked out by your offer with me being an asshole.

And you couldn't do it in Russia because shooting there is illegal, but running a live webcam is.

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Yes I was shooting porn in the 1980/90s thanks for pointing that out. The tour is meant to be bad. It catches peoples attention when not looking like 1,000s of other sites.

As for sitting on a goldmine. Well that's a lie. As for the content being bankable that's a lie.

And here's the proof.

I'm shutting up shop in a few months. ANYONE who thinks they can do better with this gold mine of bankable content need only contact me to make an offer.

You have a clue Damian, you're not broke, you know lots of great things. you buy it. Or Pking.

No he's another liar.

Don't need his client list, need access to the sites. Won't talk about marketing, only how to improve the content, which I did on one of his clients sites. Where the preview video is in need of improving. Will look at it again and redo my comments.

Go on PK buy the content and show me what a great marketing man can make it worth.

that offer goes to all the trolls. Here's unique, exclusive and can never be copied content that according to Damian and a few others is a gold mine and bankable. So get on ICQ and make the offer.

Talk is cheap Damian.

where is your brilliant marketing then paul ?

where are your sucessful sites?

you do an awful lot of talking paul but have you ever heard the expression all talk and no action ?

you keep dribbling shit and crying about the state of online porn(something 99.9% of members are fully aware of) yet thats all you are doing - driubbling shit and crying.

and after so many posts telling us how fucking brilliant you are all you have to show us is............ http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com

I mean you have to be fucking kidding me

Same offer goes to papill0n and PJ.

So I fucked up a good thread. It was my thread and I didn't fuck it up. All the trolls refusing to answer the original question did that.

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porno jew

lol wut?

Mutt

somebody teach paul how to use the multi-quote feature!

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Paul I'm amazed you can't remember this guy with the nickname TheSquealer coming to visit you and having dinner at your house. If he had only come to your studio during a busy day then I could see forgetting the meeting but you actually had this guy at your dinner table - if somebody came to dinner 30 years ago I would remember it.

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So lets look closer at Astral blue.

Over 160 models in the site, we feature 160 on the tour. Lots of girls inside the site with one scene not on the tour.

http://astral-blue.com/tour/solo/ Just a small taste of the solo scenes.

http://astral-blue.com/tour/hardcore/ Small selection of the Hardcore

http://astral-blue.com/tour/hairy-pussy/ Small selection of the Hairy pussy and it goes on and on in 12 different categories.

Inside the site we have daily updates of some rotated and lots of new. Wil be able to update until May 2012 without going to 100% rotation.

243 sets on the site + updates coming.

186 videos + updates coming.

We have an update a day until May. About 180 sets or videos.

That's more than some sites shot recently. And all unique, mostly exclusive as you all say we never sold from the content stores much. And it was only a few scenes.

So what's this GoldMine of Bankable content worth?

Is it worth more for me to load it up to Filesonic than you lot would offer?

One thing Squealer has got dead right, is my pensions now make a lot more than the business. My private pensions that I've been paying into since the early 80s with weekly and lump sums are very tasty, the Invalid allowance is nice and next year I switch from that to a CZ State Pension and UK Invalid Allowance.

Also have something on the side burner that I might do. Away from this train wreck/Titanic of online porn.

PJ if you could do better with any of our sites, hit me up.

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Never remembered him and some of his comments made me think he was making it up. We don't live in a cottage, it was built in 2000, 3 bedroom house, it's not surrounded by fields as you can see from the photos we posted, it is out of the city on the outskirts of a village, got orchards near and ir was facing the river when he came, they built opposite us since then. The studio was than 2,000 sq ft so not small. The comments about where it was he showed were online already by another interview I did. He met the staff in the office, so could see we weren't a small operation, had 8 people employed then, including the Nanny at home so Eva could work.

Eva's main job was shooting sets and doing the company accounts. The idea I was going to take her away from a lucrative shooting roll and a very vital accounting roll, to shoot cheap sets is stupid.

The land we shot the scene on is public land, so no one can throw us off, shot their lots of times. Don't even take people to our home. It's our home ad for friends only. And if we want to impress them, don't give them a pasta dinner.

Still you understand the operation we had, being close to content production. The idea that I was chasing "not expensive" custom work that would mean 2 of our crew taken away from the main business is ludicrous. It would of lost us money.

The idea we were broke is a stupid lie. Set number 1737 and video 9296. We shot until set number 902482 on a pretty steady basis. 745 sets. not the mass churned out stuff Squealer was looking for, we shot magazine sets and at 2 a day and rarely more than 2 a week. 745 is 372 days work, 186 weeks, 3.5 years. So for a company going broke something seems wrong. You know we were never chasing custom work, simply not viable for us to tie up our teem, equipment, staff and time with it.

We never even did what Max did and got in some cheap teams to shoot. Still too much time and would mean new equipment and locations. At $300 a scene, what would you choose if you had a market paying $3,000 a set?

No if he put this deal to me in the coffee shop common sense and logic says a guy like me would leave him in the coffee shop. I'm known for blunt speaking, in fact he says so. Would never of entertained him for the day.

Is it legal to have web cam studios in Russia, but not shoot solo girl sets of them? Will ask my friends who work in Russia.

So as I said I never remembered him, his story seemed bullshit and has got worse. So I said he was never here. Mistake I admitted to and explained.

I read so much bullshit here I jump there first. So a lot of his story is bullshit and I jumped wrong.

The proof of the pudding is in any of the trolls coming up with an offer for a gold mine of bankable content. Or is that just more GFY bullshit?

Prove me wrong guys.

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I'm trying to hit 30,000 before I bow out.

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Ah, there's your mistake Paul. Don't make bad tours. These are vintage porn customers. Treat them accordingly.

If you split test a bad tour that you made in 10 minutes yourself versus a 'good' tour that a professional designer made you'd see why your cunning idea of making a bad tour was a mistake.

But yes I've offered to buy it from you twice now.

Here's the third offer.

6 months of revenue. I will paypal you this today.

I'll need Epoch to confirm the revenue, obv.

Paul Markham

6 months of what a failure s doing with it or 6 months of what you can do with it?

The last 6 months included summer slow down, so not going to sell it for the worse 6 month period.

It's only on CCBILL.

Straight offers for a bankable goldmine in the hands of an expert only please. Site passes will be given to all reasonable offers.

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Paul, the standard when purchasing a site is 3-6 month's revenue. That's my offer. And I've offered it 3 times. Do you want to sell it or not?

If you *really* think there is such a thing as a summer slowdown, I will take ANY of the 6 month periods since the site's launch. But, it will need to be confirmed by CCBill.

(Ps setting up cascading billing will add 10% to your bottom line overnight and will take about 2 hours work)

TheSquealer

Yeah, and once he gets busted lying - suddenly, it all comes back to him in amazing detail and he magically recalls in great detail how I was just a loser.

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plsureking

yes i told you i thought your ideas were worthless and you were full of shit. how many times do i need to repeat it? your suggestions would have hurt the site you were talking about, so i told you to fuck off. you can keep begging but you failed.

no one on gfy is taking you seriously. you are only producing anger and hatred because you don't know anything about today's porn business.

everybody keeps saying - SHOW US WHAT YOU KNOW. how are you making money in TODAY'S online porn market?

the fact is you aren't. you said you purposely made your Astral tour shitty. maybe it was a good strategy 5 years ago, but i do hope you realize that strategy is not working today.

you dropped the ball Markham. how can i refer you to my clients?

what in the world are you talking about? i wouldnt buy your garbage content. Damian said he made an offer. there's no way i could monetize that crap. i don't even think Manwin could make money off it.

if your content was selling, you would have better things to do than cry and troll on gfy all day. i barely have time to read subscribed threads, much less write thousands of words a day.

you have nothing else to do because you can't figure out how to get your foot back in the business. bitching and trolling isn't going to get you where you want to be. it only makes people hate you. probably not a good thing to do so close to death

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skyped you.

Paul Markham

You simply just do not get it.

I can afford to sit back and do nothing. I made my money and retired.

Get my foot back.

Yes you proved it, you're stupid.

Reviewing some of the sites running with your CMS now. Most people think the sites have nothing to do with you. You just sell the CMS. Are they right or do you give marketing advice?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1040390

Seems if they're right, it's obvious why you don't want me to know who your clients are.

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i call bullshit. people who made their money and retired NEVER log into this hellhole of a board. unless you've closed your business, or sold it, or turned it over to someone else to run, YOU ARE NOT RETIRED.

you are still chasing sales. check your sig. when you remove that, or i see someone else slinging that sig instead of you, then you are retired. until then you are just a broke clueless asshole.

i missed the proof.
ah, but that's not one of your strengths.
you just babble on with no proof

you mean a dickhead started a thread to slam sites running on my cms? that's not very nice to the site owners i think. one more reason i wouldn't refer you to them. you are insulting some very hard working and honest site owners in that thread.

yes the default template is not pretty. it is very simple with simple functions. the template system is easily configurable with PHP - not some Smarty or other proprietary bullshit. all you have to do to pimp a PornCMS site is go into the Template editor and start writing PHP code. many have done it.

i don't run the sites on PornCMS and i rarely look at them. if a site owner wants to improve their design, i refer them to one of the many designers familiar with the cms - like Zuzana.

that BriannaBeachLive site you slammed is making really good money, enough that he has our PRO account and a dedicated server. you should spend time on your own sites, Markham. they look like shit with no chance of survival.

awesome man you should have hit me up for a kickback. email me via the site

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Coudos to The Squealer.


Finally someone that understands and can properly vocalize what marketing is all about. You also obviously read Seth Godin books

Seriously, you've hit nail on the head a dozen times in this thread.

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DamianJ

No need man, I just like putting people together. He was using a proprietary thing, and we needed something fast for a new project and he tried your CMS and loved it so much all new sites are being rolled out using it. He loves it!

plsureking

thanks man its pretty good and will only get better. 80% of my time is spent doing custom upgrades & template installs but i do try to spend at least a few hours a week upgrading the cms. i have a huge whiteboard of planned upgrades, but of course i have to put the custom programming customers first

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Its funny you said that about Seth Godin, I have a few of his books here but haven't read them. But you might have said that because of the "they buy an image" comment. I do think I recall Seth Godin saying that in a speech to Google, which I believe is where I got it.

It stuck in my mind because my ex-wife would say things like "please get me some water, but get the one with the mountains on it"... clearly she wanted to buy the image, not the water. It was at that same time that I happened to see that video which is why it resonated with me.

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NoWhErE

Actually the water reference is more from "All Marketers Are Liars/Tell Stories". Most of what you've been saying is what Seth talks about in the book. Its by far one of his best.

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DamianJ

I think the idea virus and purple cow are his best books. I love that guy.

NoWhErE

I'm starting Purple Cow after I finish Poke the Box

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TheSquealer

Thats funny. I don't have that book. I will find the audio and listen to it in the car. I swear, i've never read any of his stuff. I think many of the points I was trying to make should be common sense, but for most people in adult, they don't seem to be. Clarity, consistency, continuity etc.

Over the years, i've made some concrete guidelines for myself for building landing pages and sites and have learned to follow a very simple set of rules that work well. As Shap pointed out, I also began to realize that nothing has changed with that. From time to time, I forget that we are really only dealing with the very basics of marketing and sales, not a unique product in a new and unique medium with its own set of complicated rules as we tend to like to think. However, within those guidelines I have of course, all of those elements still require quite a bit of experimentation, testing, tweaking, tuning etc to get them dialed in with each new site/offer. I try to be as diligent as possible in following processes, site/page structure and design, evaluating the user experience/heuristics, making sure there is consistency throughout with user controls, design elements etc etc etc. Every little detail matters. Someone like Sly can vouch for the fact that I rarely underthink things

For someone like Paul to be telling people how to sell porn is absurd... He can't do it. That's why he is a failure and living off of pensions, not his 34 years of content. He may as well be spending his time telling CERN how to find the God Particle... or babbling to the physics community about how he's worked out String Theory and how the worlds greatest mathematical and physics minds are doing it wrong in physics... or screaming at squirrels in the park.

A great video, a great photo, a great smile etc are all just teeny tiny pieces of a much larger success equation and they certainly aren't the deal breakers.

Content is not king.

Content is important.

Great content doesn't overcome shitty marketing and a horribly laid out site/sales process.

Understanding ones traffic, marketing and sales will however overcome poor content (though not retention)... not to mention that traffic will pay for a whole lot more.

People chase traffic. They do not chase content. You can make sales with no content and just text links to sales pages if your offer is well done, well laid out and credible to the surfer.

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NoWhErE

This is where most people fail.

Bang Bus succeeded because people believed it was real for the longest time.

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Yeah, thinking back, I always had people asking me if it was real.

But people break that most basic rules when it comes to credibility with a litany of absurd claims that are not credible "the most beautiful", "the best", "the Internets biggest", "the most popular XYZ online" (or whatever) thinking those claims are a benefit but they are really a negative. You're a surfer, i'm a surfer. You know better. I know better. Others know better.

Webmasters don't seem to know better

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NoWhErE

Thats what "All Marketers Tell Stories" covers and explains really well.

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Thanks man! I will check it out for sure. It's always possible to learn more or gain new insights. I am always leery of marketing books because it always seems to be different ways of saying the same stuff... same with management/leadership. Same materials, just a new parable or example. I went through a phase where I was trying to learn and absorb everything I could and then realized all the "best sellers" tended to be very much like the previous best sellers. But Godin is certainly a very credible author, the videos I remember watching were very interesting and thought provoking. Definitely gave me a lot of food for thought.

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Not when selling porn content. You can send traffic to a site for them to make a sale with their content. Sending traffic to a porn content site which has no content, ain't going to make you a lot of money.

Today the sites with the most traffic and sales have it for one reason. They have tons of content. It's free but the surfers are coming in the numbers they do because of the amount.

Surfers come to online porn for content. 999 out of a 1,000 will get moved around as traffic by content. 999 out of 1,000 of those who click a link will do so because of content.

999 out of 1,000 will pay based on the content they see on the tour.

1,000 out of 1,000 will stay a member because of the content inside the members area. They will then go on to buy from another site based on their satisfaction of the way they have been supplied with content in the past.

Yes you can't sell the greatest content with no traffic. You can't sell the greatest traffic with no content.

Yes you can sell bad content with good traffic. But you're an idiot if you do because you're losing money. To make the best ROI on your traffic you send it to the best converting/retaining sites. Which is usually based on

CONTENT.

We've been running online porn according to the idiots who think content is second to traffic for 12 years and watched sales decline against the numbers we're trying to sell to.

Now we see them plummeting and you guys are still trying to convince yourselves that traffic and marketing is more important than supplying the customer what he really needs and what 10,000 others can't do the same.

NoWhErE did the content or the words that sent the surfer to the site convince them it was real?

Thank you, proves my point. They bought because of the content.

When an industry thinks giving 1,000s as much as they want is called selling. Sou know something is wrong. When the product is a 20 minute high and they want to sell a months supply of it with the free model. You know some thing is very wrong.

now you can sit here and lick each others balls and asses till the sun goes down. But while you do, millions are getting off for free on content while you try to give more away. To get 1-5,000 or what ever, from these 1,00s to actually buy a months membership.

Thank you marketing Dept. Instead of selling to more you now sell to less.

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Will look into this. That might be very possible.

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Paul, there is no "we". You have yet to demonstrate that you know anything at all about sales or that you've ever ran a pay site successfully, or even how to sell porn to a surfer. At best, you can make the case that you can get a model to feel comfortable when you shoot her. That's about as far as your credibility goes.

You have yet to demonstrate why you have any credibility at all in commenting on paysites or sales since you have neither. Erm... well, you have a few paysites that look like they were designed by an idiot and that clearly do not convert traffic.

No one in adult thinks you have credibility except you. You're a failure, no one is basing pay sites around your 34 years of content or giving you rave reviews. Not even you. You live off of government pensions, not 34 years of shooting content or pay site sales. You don't live off of content sales.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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gallery traffic from shitty filler content on long forgotten and neglected tgps is not "sales" or "revenue" dumbass.

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NoWhErE

Do you buy bottled water because of the content or because of the idea that bottled water is better than tap water?

Fact is there is no difference, water is water. You were sold some nice words that made up a nice story that makes you feel better about drinking water from a bottle.



Does the surfer stay purely for content? No. Most porn is the same shit. In & Out, Cumshot, End Scene. What they stay for is the fantasy they can create in their minds. Thats what the wording and presentation (aka marketing) is for and thats whats keeping them there. If you can promise something that interests the surfer and then deliver on your promise, you're set.

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Robbie

I think the delivering on the promise is where it all happens. And that is what Paul is saying.
Problem is he is completely discounting all other factors.

Yeah...porn pretty much does sell itself..BUT, even before piracy and sites like pornhub, etc showing full scenes to millions of people a day...you STILL had to compete with other paysites for sales.

And yeah, that's where "marketing" came in and still does.

And there are a lot of different approaches.
Some guys are real successful crunching numbers, analyzing stats, A-B testing, making slight tweaks to text and/or graphics, etc.
Other guys are real good with having a "feel" for what works and doesn't work.

It's just a different way of doing things. But I've seen people have great success both ways.

And of course there are TONS of guys who think they know how to "market" that haven't got a clue. And it's easy to pick them out as they have nothing to show but a lot of talk.

I don't think that Paul is an expert at the marketing aspect. But I think he has a valid point that a lot of paysites are going to have to up their game as to what they are offering the consumer.

Of course he's taking the argument to the extreme to piss people off.
After all...he IS the GFY Troll Of The Year.

But no matter what Paul says or does...he'll never get any disrespect from me.
I'm in the PORN business. And 90% of the people on GFY have never even BEEN to a porn shoot. So Paul has my respect as a guy who actually DOES it (or in his case DID it for many years).

Marketing? Not so much.
But he's as good at marketing as the majority of broke ass losers on GFY for sure. lol

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stop calling paul a troll. he sincerely believes in this shit he spews. shows how out of touch adult is with popular trends that he is called a troll ...