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Old 10-03-2011, 09:11 AM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer View Post
It's a poor analogy to begin with. A poor analogy offered to an idiot for a misguided and backwards dissection.

People buy bottled water because they are buying an image. They are buying an idea. Fresh, Spring, Mountains, Pure, Healthy etc etc etc etc etc etc. Just like with bottled porn sales, you have no real idea why people buy and what they are paying for and what causes them to buy.
If you filled a truck with Evian bottled water bottles and placed it outside the shop selling Evian bottled water, watch sales plummet. Damian hit it right and quoted I've been saying it for years. Like you I think the business skills of online porn are negligible.

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You continually single out one minor factor (and a subjective one) like "quality" and remain totally ignorant that has little to do with sales. It has to do with value and users finding what they are looking for, a product that is well packaged, targeting that exact person, their exact needs/tastes and a very clear, well laid out site that is consistent from start to finish in its presentation. People don't necessarily need "quality" and one's idea of "quality" is different from another. An amateur site isn't selling "quality", its selling "amateur" and the quality of the actual videos is almost always horrible. In fact, being a good quality video is a negative, not a positive.
You have to think of what is "Quality porn"? Nothing to do with the images definition of lighting, etc.

My concentrating on quality porn covers everything from amateur to Playboy. quality porn is about generating the illusion in the viewers head. Examples.

For Amateur the viewer has to think this is a person hes likely to meet, someone who lives on his street, that she/he's doing this for the fun of it. As an amateur.

For Teen she has to give the illusion she's a teen and not a 25 year old in pig tails. I shot happy, cute teasing teens. Well that was the aim.

For Glamor she has to give the impression she's a girl at the top of her game, very beautiful, sultry, desirable and maybe a little out of the viewers reach. Depends who the viewer is.

These are just s few examples and there are many variations.

so why is concentrating on the quality of the product good?

1,000s can grab a camera point it at a naked girl and shoot. Only 100s can create good porn quality porn. It immediately cuts out a lot of the competition. And that's online porn's biggest mistake. They made opening a porn site and filling it pretty easy.

They made being an affiliate the easiest thing possible in business. They saturated the business with low level.

Few can shoot Met-Art, FTV, Alsscan or for magazines. They have less to compete with. The quality end of the content is the best way to remove the opposition. It just needs more money invested in the beginning and why so few could do it.

Look at it from my side, I met loads of people who had a great deal to do with me. that would of earned me less than I was earning. 9 times out of 10 it meant shooting content for less than we could sell it elsewhere, or giving them content to do a share arrangement on, or turn our studio over to web cams.

Or for some guy to bring Russian girls to our studio for us to shoot while he sites there and translates. If that was your deal, then it's a wonder why I even bothered with you.

I didn't need girls, had loads of them in Czech, remember I had 3 Czech girls who could shoot, so no language barrier and lots of work, we don't want girls flying 1,000 miles to work, what if we don't like them? We can't kick them out and we would. No shooter is happy with someone translating their instructions to a model. Has to be really necessary.

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YOU don't understand these simple facts and one of the many flaws in YOUR reasoning is that water is in fact free everywhere, yet people pay for it. Just as with porn. Water is available in every single household for free. There is not a single person that pays for bottled water that doesn't have unfettered access to free water. So obviously, availability, free or not, isn't much of a factor in bottled water sales just as it is only a minor factor in porn sales.
It's not my reasoning, it's the reasoning I read again and again on GFY from others. You missed that.

However if the product is available for free at the point of consumption, what does that do for sales?

We can't create the image that consuming porn is cool.

Marketing will get people onto a site for an initial join. After that will marketing keep them in. Or will they stay because of the content?

If they keep signing up to sites on the basis of the marketing and find the members area doesn't live up to it. Will many learn to ignore the marketing and only go on the content they see?

Marketing is important and I'm sure Damian's ideas, will get people to a site and will get some in. That's his job finished. After that it's the job of the content producers to keep the member rebilling. And that's where many have fallen down in the past.

You met me, thought I was a crap shooter, idiot and you didn't like me. Still inflicted me on your assistant for the day and even came home with me.

What you missed was we could afford a studio and staff. I was selling offline at a very healthy margin and didn't need to impress you. 7 years later still making sales. And if you can't figure out why here it is.

No porn consumer gives a flying fuck what I'm like. He cares if my porn gets his dick up. And if I'm still selling after 34 years I think the question is answered.
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