Slim-Fast (RESULTS) - GoFuckYourself.com

Za Ha · 01-26-2003, 10:55 PM

After using it for a week, eating heathy food only, and exercising a bit, I lost a total of ZERO pounds in 7 days.

Tastes bad and works worse.

Joined a gym this week, so that might work better. Btw Im 182 pounds and about 6 foot.

Spunky · 01-26-2003, 11:00 PM

Tried it and after amonth...I lost 5 pounds

[Labret] · 01-26-2003, 11:07 PM

Its just a simple matter of burning more calories than you take in.

Eat some chicken, get on an elyptical machine.

I am a pudgy bitch and have the tendency to gain weight very easily when I sit in front of my computer 16 hours a day, smoking pot, downing 6 packs of coke, and eating shit food.

Ever so often I notice my clothes getting a little to tight so I freak out, go on a chicken, water, and andro diet... return to the weights and cardio machines, and manage to burn off a good 7 to 10 lbs in a little over a weeks time. Then I get happy I lost the weight again and fall back into my usual pattern.

Starvation, slim fast, isnt the answer.

andi_germany · 01-26-2003, 11:09 PM

What do you consider healthy food?
Did you replace a meal with Slim Fast or did you take it as supplement?
What milk did you use to mix slim fast or did you use the cans?

You will have to reduce fat and sugar to loose weight. 9500 calories are 2 Pounds of weight. So its not that easy.

But using a Gym is always a good idea

Babaganoosh · 01-26-2003, 11:14 PM

I found the solution to weightloss for myself. Dump the soda for Arizona Green Tea. Eat one real meal a day. When you get hungry, eat a couple of White Cheddar Corn Cakes from Quaker. They are just about like rice cakes except they are actually really tasty. Those things must swell up to 5 times their normal size in your stomach. Within about 10 minutes of eating 2 cakes, I am full for a couple of hours.

detoxed · 01-26-2003, 11:22 PM

haha fatass

Rocky · 01-26-2003, 11:29 PM

does anyone remember when they were giving out Slim-Fast to homeless people

psyko514 · 01-26-2003, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha
Btw Im 182 pounds and about 6 foot.

What are you worrying about?
I'm 5'11 and about 180-185 and I definetly don't need to go on a diet.

Scoobs · 01-26-2003, 11:39 PM

My wife and I use Weight Watchers... I dont know if you have that in the US, but I have lost 13kg (not sure how many pounds that is) over the past 6 months with them, and you get to eat whatever food you want... My wife and I have done a lot of diets (Jenny Craig plus others) and Weight Watchers is BY FAR the best because you can actually sustain it for long periods due to the variety of food that you can eat.

And the best part is, you dont even have to

after eating.

Just my

jimmy3way · 01-26-2003, 11:39 PM

Actually if you pay attention to your metabolism losing weight isn't hard.

I was thinking what a fat bitch I was after Vegas, so I swore off the booze and started hitting the bike more and I dropped like 20 lbs since then.

I figure at least ten of that was booze weight from Vegas.

EscortBiz · 01-26-2003, 11:41 PM

you are too skinny if you are 185 and 6ft, start to eat and workout

If you will lose more weight you will end up lookin lik that skinny kid from the Movie Road trip

Rocky · 01-26-2003, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
you are too skinny if you are 185 and 6ft, start to eat and workout

If you will lose more weight you will end up lookin lik that skinny kid from the Movie Road trip

not according to this chart

Marcus · 01-26-2003, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
you are too skinny if you are 185 and 6ft, start to eat and workout

whats your diet?

mpegposter · 01-27-2003, 12:27 AM

Anyone hear about those weight breathalyzers they have now? You blow into it and it charts your metabolism, tells you what your ideal caloric intake would be. Pretty neat, I'm not fat so I don't really care.

Find something you enjoy doing, i.e. tennis ice skating swimming or even boxing, and do that. Swimming actually burns the most calories if you're so inclined. A friend of mine got a plastic boxing dummy and it seems like a neat idea. Beat something up for 30 minutes a day and get great cardio and burn off some of the McDonalds.

Really the key is to watch what you eat. More fat people die from going to the gym suddenly than you could imagine. The shock their body goes through between lardass and sudden exertion is enough to cause cardiac arrest, no joke.

RedShoe · 01-27-2003, 12:36 AM

I probably put on 10lbs today just watching the sports competition that was on earlier. Chips and soda pop.

Dawgy · 01-27-2003, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
What are you worrying about?
I'm 5'11 and about 180-185 and I definetly don't need to go on a diet.

i concur. ur hot.

Za Ha · 01-27-2003, 10:13 PM

At 182 I AM a bit chubby. Plus Im only 19 so I should be in better shape. I changed my diet even more now. 1 meal a day and protein supplements when I work out.

I joined a gym so that is burning some calories, ill let u know hw that goes.

Btw I was taking the slim fast fromt the cans.

Pipecrew · 01-27-2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514

What are you worrying about?
I'm 5'11 and about 180-185 and I definetly don't need to go on a diet.

exactly

Interlude · 01-27-2003, 10:45 PM

http://www.sugarbusters.com/

Safe, effective and you can actually eat. Couple that with a little cardio a few times a week and you're all set.

sternyduke · 01-27-2003, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

Eat some chicken, get on an elyptical machine.

my roommate liked the elyptical machine so much at his gym he ended up buying one for the house. definatley a cool machine that actually works. I hate the treadmill and bike machines.

GTS Mark · 01-28-2003, 12:56 AM

Wow you guys are nuts, just like yo yo dieting....

If you want to keep the weight off you are going to have to make a conscious decision to make a change. Sure you can still eat the things you like, you just have to make smart choices when you eat. Everything in moderation, including moderation!

Drink tons of water, stay away from the soft drinks. If you do have soft drinks make sure they are diet. I know at first they suck but you will get used to it. Also try and eat more chicken and less fatty red meats...

I have been going to the gym with a trainer for the past 3 months and I have taken off over 25 pounds, plus gained a bunch of muscle. My endurance is getting pretty awesome! I make my trainer charge me every single time without fail. That way if I ever miss an appointment I have to pay for it. And I fucking hate giving money away for nothing!

But the best thing is you just feel better all over and have a much more positive attitude. I would definetely whole heartedly recommend someone who wants to get in shape to hire a trainer. That way you can learn new excercises the safe way, he/she is there to motivate you and also give you feedback on your progress. Best money I ever spent!

DH

Za Ha · 01-29-2003, 04:07 PM

DrinkingHard, you are in toronto right?
What gym do u go to?

Cheshire · 01-29-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha
At 182 I AM a bit chubby. Plus Im only 19 so I should be in better shape. I changed my diet even more now. 1 meal a day and protein supplements when I work out.

I joined a gym so that is burning some calories, ill let u know hw that goes.

Btw I was taking the slim fast fromt the cans.

Sorry if I seem upset, but WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT ONE MEAL A DAY IS HEALTHY?????

Did you even READ your own Thread ??

Cheshire · 01-29-2003, 04:23 PM

If you're telling us the truth, then you need to give your body more than 7 days to start showing results. It could be that the second or third week gives you those practically overnight results you're looking for ~ but rarely can you achieve that in the first 7 days.

It pisses me off when people cheat on their diets and then complain that they haven't lost any weight. Your body gives back what you put in. I'm not perfect on my diet and exercise, and my weight fluxuates accordingly ~ but I have no one to blame but myself when I eat pizza and ice cream and gain a couple pounds. And I take all the credit when I'm hardcore for a week and I get tight.

cold_ice · 01-29-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
And I take all the credit when I'm hardcore for a week and I get tight.

You look yummy but sound like you have issues

Cheshire · 01-29-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cold_ice
You look yummy but sound like you have issues

doesn't everybody have some issues?

without clarification your comment is void of meaning.

DrGuile · 01-29-2003, 04:55 PM

Im fat, please pity me!

init · 01-29-2003, 05:04 PM

power90.com - shit works, im convinced if you eat your way fat the only way to lose it is to work out

cold_ice · 01-29-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
doesn't everybody have some issues?

without clarification your comment is void of meaning.

Just seems like your a little touchy on this diet subject. I think your very beautiful and have a great personality, but if a person has to work very hard at looking good is it even worth it.

Sorry had to edit to much shit that was really to personal and none of my business

Cheshire · 01-29-2003, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cold_ice
Just seems like your a little touchy on this diet subject. I think your very beautiful and have a great personality, but if a person has to work very hard at looking good is it even worth it.

Thank you for the compliments.
What you're picking up as my being 'touchy' is how upset I get when someone cheats their diet and then complains that it didn't work.
I don't 'work hard' so much as I take responsiblity for how my body looks and feels ~ if I eat like crap and then I feel like crap, I'm not going to complain to other people like a victim that the guidelines I didn't stick to are pointless.
And if I may ask ~ what's so wrong about working hard if the results dwarf the effort?

kelly · 01-29-2003, 05:14 PM

Check back to what I posted in your original thread, this stuff will not make you slim in the long term, eat a healthy carb based breakfast, make up a big pot of fresh veggie soup to snack on inbetween meals, eat 3 solid meals a day and make sure to drink a LOT of water, keep a 2 litre bottle beside the pc to guzzle on.

playa · 01-29-2003, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha
Btw Im 182 pounds and about 6 foot.

fuck that dude,, you'll a small guy,,
you need some muscles

cold_ice · 01-29-2003, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire

And if I may ask ~ what's so wrong about working hard if the results dwarf the effort?

Nothing wrong with hard work as long as it dont consume ones entire life and/or make a person bitter. Cheshire Im not saying not to work hard at looking good as we all here enjoy the results of your hard work but what Im trying to say is dont let it effect your attitude. You just sounded a little bitchy(for a lack of a better word) when you first posted. No disrespect

cold_ice · 01-29-2003, 05:54 PM

Just on a side note I was also comparing you to a person I know that works to hard at being fit that sometimes they are a drag to be around.

GTS Mark · 01-29-2003, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Za Ha
DrinkingHard, you are in toronto right?
What gym do u go to?

Nope I am in Vancouver... I used to go to the Bloor Park Club when I worked in downtown Toronto. It is awesome, great equiptment, plenty of hot chicks and has some great facilities... It is a bit pricey but well worth it.

DH

Cheshire · 01-29-2003, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cold_ice
Just on a side note I was also comparing you to a person I know that works to hard at being fit that sometimes they are a drag to be around.

To be fair ~ you don't know me.

And where I was sounding bitchy was when I said
"Sorry if I seem upset, but WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT ONE MEAL A DAY IS HEALTHY?????"

You'd prefer I say nothing while someone is starving themself? Fine, f*ck him, let him starve his body because I don't want to risk sounding bitchy.

aeon · 01-29-2003, 06:05 PM

You might try instead of that slimfast crap-fad diets, doing 30 minutes of light cardio as soon as you wake up every morning-on an empty stomach and drink loads of water-1 gallon + per day. Unless you want to go all out and eat 6x's a day with X amount of protein, fats, carbs-take a week and write down what you eat. Add up the calories and drop it 250 or so per day.

And train with weights. One muscle group once per week. The more muscle you have the more calories you'll burn.

best of luck -
aeon

Cheshire · 01-29-2003, 06:07 PM

It's truly pointless to give this guy fitness advice ~ there was an entire two page thread of it previously and he ignored all of it.

You can give a person the tools and show them how to properly use them, but it's on them if they start cutting off their fingers.

cold_ice · 01-29-2003, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
To be fair ~ you don't know me.

You'd prefer I say nothing while someone is starving themself? Fine, f*ck him, let him starve his body because I don't want to risk sounding bitchy.

Yes your right I dont know you all I have to go by is what I read and without hearing a persons tone of voice what they write can be taken many different ways. My bad girl maybe I just took your comments different from what you meant. Your still bomb

psyko514 · 01-29-2003, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
i concur. ur hot.

thank you.
but how do you know?

Za Ha · 01-30-2003, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
It's truly pointless to give this guy fitness advice ~ there was an entire two page thread of it previously and he ignored all of it.

You can give a person the tools and show them how to properly use them, but it's on them if they start cutting off their fingers.

I am very thankful for your advice, I did get a lot out of it. I stopped taking the shitty, Slim-Fast and now have some cereal for breakfest, something small for lunch + fruit, chicken for dinner usually, protein shake before and after workout, and rice cakes for snacks.

As for those who think that someone at 6 feet and 182 is skinny... i dunno what you are thinking... at 160 i think i would be "fit" but not im muscle training so i guess ill gain weight cause of the fact that muscle is more dense than fat.

Sorry if I made seem as if I was doing the opposite of what you suggested or that I was just ignoring it Cheshire, I really appreciate your advice.

Cheshire · 01-30-2003, 03:46 PM

I'm glad you're not really eating one meal a day like you'd said you were.

I'm still extremely confused as to why you got zero results after you claim you decreased your calories, ate healthy and exercised regularly for a full week. Perhaps it is your second week that will produce changes, but don't be discouraged ~ and never lose faith in your control over your physique.

And I'd reccomend adding 5 or 6 cooked egg whites to your breakfast, plus make sure you're using low or nonfat milk in your cereal.
Dump the before workout shake, there's not really any need unless it's got some energy supplements.

01-26-2003, 10:55 PM	#1
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	Slim-Fast (RESULTS) After using it for a week, eating heathy food only, and exercising a bit, I lost a total of ZERO pounds in 7 days. Tastes bad and works worse. Joined a gym this week, so that might work better. Btw Im 182 pounds and about 6 foot.

01-26-2003, 11:00 PM	#2
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01-26-2003, 11:14 PM	#5
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	I found the solution to weightloss for myself. Dump the soda for Arizona Green Tea. Eat one real meal a day. When you get hungry, eat a couple of White Cheddar Corn Cakes from Quaker. They are just about like rice cakes except they are actually really tasty. Those things must swell up to 5 times their normal size in your stomach. Within about 10 minutes of eating 2 cakes, I am full for a couple of hours. __________________ I like pie.

01-26-2003, 11:29 PM	#7
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01-26-2003, 11:39 PM	#10
jimmy3way Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Top Secret Hideout Posts: 2,508	Actually if you pay attention to your metabolism losing weight isn't hard. I was thinking what a fat bitch I was after Vegas, so I swore off the booze and started hitting the bike more and I dropped like 20 lbs since then. I figure at least ten of that was booze weight from Vegas. __________________ One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

01-26-2003, 11:07 PM	#3
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Its just a simple matter of burning more calories than you take in. Eat some chicken, get on an elyptical machine. I am a pudgy bitch and have the tendency to gain weight very easily when I sit in front of my computer 16 hours a day, smoking pot, downing 6 packs of coke, and eating shit food. Ever so often I notice my clothes getting a little to tight so I freak out, go on a chicken, water, and andro diet... return to the weights and cardio machines, and manage to burn off a good 7 to 10 lbs in a little over a weeks time. Then I get happy I lost the weight again and fall back into my usual pattern. Starvation, slim fast, isnt the answer.

01-26-2003, 11:09 PM	#4
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	What do you consider healthy food? Did you replace a meal with Slim Fast or did you take it as supplement? What milk did you use to mix slim fast or did you use the cans? You will have to reduce fat and sugar to loose weight. 9500 calories are 2 Pounds of weight. So its not that easy. But using a Gym is always a good idea

01-26-2003, 11:22 PM	#6
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01-26-2003, 11:39 PM	#9
Scoobs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Out back Posts: 492	My wife and I use Weight Watchers... I dont know if you have that in the US, but I have lost 13kg (not sure how many pounds that is) over the past 6 months with them, and you get to eat whatever food you want... My wife and I have done a lot of diets (Jenny Craig plus others) and Weight Watchers is BY FAR the best because you can actually sustain it for long periods due to the variety of food that you can eat. And the best part is, you dont even have to after eating. Just my

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01-27-2003, 12:36 AM	#15
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	I probably put on 10lbs today just watching the sports competition that was on earlier. Chips and soda pop.

01-27-2003, 10:13 PM	#17
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	At 182 I AM a bit chubby. Plus Im only 19 so I should be in better shape. I changed my diet even more now. 1 meal a day and protein supplements when I work out. I joined a gym so that is burning some calories, ill let u know hw that goes. Btw I was taking the slim fast fromt the cans.

01-27-2003, 10:45 PM	#19
Interlude Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: State of Denial Posts: 1,147	http://www.sugarbusters.com/ Safe, effective and you can actually eat. Couple that with a little cardio a few times a week and you're all set.

01-28-2003, 12:56 AM	#21
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Wow you guys are nuts, just like yo yo dieting.... If you want to keep the weight off you are going to have to make a conscious decision to make a change. Sure you can still eat the things you like, you just have to make smart choices when you eat. Everything in moderation, including moderation! Drink tons of water, stay away from the soft drinks. If you do have soft drinks make sure they are diet. I know at first they suck but you will get used to it. Also try and eat more chicken and less fatty red meats... I have been going to the gym with a trainer for the past 3 months and I have taken off over 25 pounds, plus gained a bunch of muscle. My endurance is getting pretty awesome! I make my trainer charge me every single time without fail. That way if I ever miss an appointment I have to pay for it. And I fucking hate giving money away for nothing! But the best thing is you just feel better all over and have a much more positive attitude. I would definetely whole heartedly recommend someone who wants to get in shape to hire a trainer. That way you can learn new excercises the safe way, he/she is there to motivate you and also give you feedback on your progress. Best money I ever spent! DH

01-29-2003, 04:07 PM	#22
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	DrinkingHard, you are in toronto right? What gym do u go to?

01-29-2003, 04:23 PM	#24
Cheshire Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Rosen-Villin Posts: 5,738	If you're telling us the truth, then you need to give your body more than 7 days to start showing results. It could be that the second or third week gives you those practically overnight results you're looking for ~ but rarely can you achieve that in the first 7 days. It pisses me off when people cheat on their diets and then complain that they haven't lost any weight. Your body gives back what you put in. I'm not perfect on my diet and exercise, and my weight fluxuates accordingly ~ but I have no one to blame but myself when I eat pizza and ice cream and gain a couple pounds. And I take all the credit when I'm hardcore for a week and I get tight. __________________ just a little bit naughty

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01-29-2003, 05:14 PM	#31
kelly Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 901	Check back to what I posted in your original thread, this stuff will not make you slim in the long term, eat a healthy carb based breakfast, make up a big pot of fresh veggie soup to snack on inbetween meals, eat 3 solid meals a day and make sure to drink a LOT of water, keep a 2 litre bottle beside the pc to guzzle on. __________________ http://www.thehungersite.com

01-29-2003, 05:54 PM	#34
cold_ice Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 3,027	Just on a side note I was also comparing you to a person I know that works to hard at being fit that sometimes they are a drag to be around.

01-29-2003, 06:05 PM	#37
aeon Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 470	You might try instead of that slimfast crap-fad diets, doing 30 minutes of light cardio as soon as you wake up every morning-on an empty stomach and drink loads of water-1 gallon + per day. Unless you want to go all out and eat 6x's a day with X amount of protein, fats, carbs-take a week and write down what you eat. Add up the calories and drop it 250 or so per day. And train with weights. One muscle group once per week. The more muscle you have the more calories you'll burn. best of luck - aeon

01-29-2003, 06:07 PM	#38
Cheshire Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Rosen-Villin Posts: 5,738	It's truly pointless to give this guy fitness advice ~ there was an entire two page thread of it previously and he ignored all of it. You can give a person the tools and show them how to properly use them, but it's on them if they start cutting off their fingers. __________________ just a little bit naughty

01-30-2003, 03:46 PM	#42
Cheshire Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Rosen-Villin Posts: 5,738	I'm glad you're not really eating one meal a day like you'd said you were. I'm still extremely confused as to why you got zero results after you claim you decreased your calories, ate healthy and exercised regularly for a full week. Perhaps it is your second week that will produce changes, but don't be discouraged ~ and never lose faith in your control over your physique. And I'd reccomend adding 5 or 6 cooked egg whites to your breakfast, plus make sure you're using low or nonfat milk in your cereal. Dump the before workout shake, there's not really any need unless it's got some energy supplements. __________________ just a little bit naughty Last edited by Cheshire; 01-30-2003 at 03:49 PM..