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The Porn Nerd · 12-09-2015, 10:26 AM

We're talking media buys and advertising on the best sites. So what sites have the most traffic? Where should I advertise my paysites?

Recommendations and experiences please.

clickity click · 12-09-2015, 10:28 AM

Review sites

James - Mr. Skin · 12-09-2015, 10:43 AM

Ping me. We have advertising on Mrskin, Fleshbot.com and Taxidrivermovie.com, Desktop and mobile.

80% English speaking countries.

Looking forward to speaking with you.

The Porn Nerd · 12-09-2015, 10:46 AM

Trying you on ICQ now.

ITraffic · 12-09-2015, 10:50 AM

why go for the biggest? there has to be mid-sized gems out there if you dig.

EroNic · 12-09-2015, 11:45 AM

We have some great traffic on EroAdvertising. You can hit me up at EroAdvertisingNicole (Skype) or [email protected] to learn more.

The Porn Nerd · 12-09-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

why go for the biggest? there has to be mid-sized gems out there if you dig.

VERY true.

Please list some mid-sized gems, too.

poncabare · 12-09-2015, 12:00 PM

PM sent...

The Porn Nerd · 12-09-2015, 02:59 PM

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PM sent...

Thanks, responded.

Any others? How about the major tubes and Next To Video (NTV) ads? Which ad network has the top tubes?

mineistaken · 12-09-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

So what sites have the most traffic?

You are looking at funding piracy sites there.

The Porn Nerd · 12-09-2015, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

You are looking at funding piracy sites there.

Actually, that is a very tricky issue indeed. There's no way I would ever advertise on a torrent site or something but what about tubes? They do have the most traffic....

But my thinking is if I am willing to have the tubes as affiliates, and work with them via their Content Partner Programs, then advertising on them is not much of a stretch.

mineistaken · 12-09-2015, 10:10 PM

Must top tubes are (at best - were) pirates.

j3rkules · 12-10-2015, 06:51 AM

How about the hun?

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 10:10 AM

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How about the hun?

Already on The Hun.

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 10:50 AM

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Actually, that is a very tricky issue indeed. There's no way I would ever advertise on a torrent site or something but what about tubes? They do have the most traffic....

But my thinking is if I am willing to have the tubes as affiliates, and work with them via their Content Partner Programs, then advertising on them is not much of a stretch.

1) Porn sites are notoriously hard to convert when compared to other offers to the same traffic
2) traffic prices are driven by products which convert infinitely better & have a similar or greater average user value
3) it is simply impossible to advertise a porn site in its traditional form and compete with others, pua offers, dating or pills

You'll have to be creative
You'll have to step WAY outside the box
You'll likely have to do a lot of things you don't want to do as you'll be competing with people doing those things, who are driving traffic costs
Start with studying those few that do it and make it work and decide if you're willing to head down that same path

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 10:55 AM

It should also be noted that though certain traffic types convert with submissions, that's nothing at all like having to pay for every single impression or click. If you had to spend .05 CPM cost on the Hun for that gallery link that was accepted, you'd be losing over a grand a day.

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 11:05 AM

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It should also be noted that though certain traffic types convert with submissions, that's nothing at all like having to pay for every single impression or click. If you had to spend .05 CPM cost on the Hun for that gallery link that was accepted, you'd be losing over a grand a day.

VERY excellent points, thank you. There are indeed very few paysites that advertise on other porn sites but they do exist. And since my metrics are more reasonable in terms of recouping investment it's worth a shot.

Or would you suggest another way to get 50K daily hits to my paysites?

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 11:13 AM

Here's the deal.... Yes, some sites "do advertise" - that's just a fact that tells us nothing. The question to be asked is "how are they making as much money as dating, pua etc and why are they succeeding where everyone fails?". That means it is necessary to fully dialect their entire process, their sites, their up sells, cross sells, mailing etc etc etc etc and even then, they can be doing a lot that is not readily obvious... and most importantly, you can't calculate accurately how/when they are earning that money back.

If I had a network of sites and ther content, I'd continue looking for traffic generation methods and owning /growing/retaining my own traffic.

ravo · 12-10-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

We're talking media buys and advertising on the best sites. So what sites have the most traffic? Where should I advertise my paysites?

Recommendations and experiences please.

We have a few advertisers doing well on their (very) niche paysites with our plug program. Hit me up at [email protected] or Skype:ravo.fpctraffic if you'd like to discuss options.

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 11:18 AM

And yeah, every asshole under the sun is going to tell you they have great traffic for sale. They don't own sites, they aren't affiliates, they don't buy and convert traffic, they know nothing about you..... but somehow have EXACTLY what you need. Crazy how that works. So nice that they have your best interests in mind.

Roald · 12-10-2015, 11:32 AM

Love me some Squealer!!

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 11:33 AM

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And yeah, every asshole under the sun is going to tell you they have great traffic for sale. They don't own sites, they aren't affiliates, they don't buy and convert traffic, they know nothing about you..... but somehow have EXACTLY what you need. Crazy how that works. So nice that they have your best interests in mind.

LOL Yeah man I get that - tho I also understand the reps are just doing their jobs.

But more to your points about ROI:

I only use other paysites as a very basic model, meaning I start from there. I look at the other paysites do ad buys and look at their join price, their tour and their ad. Anything else (upsells, mailings, etc) are different revenue streams and not related directly to the ad buy. (And yes I understand there's some cross-over, given the 'awareness' the ad may bring.) So I research, I look, I take out my calculator (knowing the going rates for such ads) and figure out the volume these other paysites must be doing to BREAK EVEN (let alone be profitable) and the volume is staggering!

So, scaling down, I do see some profit there for my sites. BUT we're still talking massive numbers to be profitable (relatively) so that's the only real stumbling block for me right now.

I would do ad buys for cams, dating, etc but then I'd really be starting from scratch with zero knowledge.

2MuchMark · 12-10-2015, 11:35 AM

EroAdvertising.com

j3rkules · 12-10-2015, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

And yeah, every asshole under the sun is going to tell you they have great traffic for sale. They don't own sites, they aren't affiliates, they don't buy and convert traffic, they know nothing about you..... but somehow have EXACTLY what you need. Crazy how that works. So nice that they have your best interests in mind.

Spot on.

ITraffic · 12-10-2015, 11:50 AM

aside from the manwin paysites which don't matter the only paysites you see that do media buys on the big tubes at least aim at the audience that gets off on seeing very young looking petite teenagers stretched by large cocks. you don't have to be freud to figure out who that crowd is.

JFK · 12-10-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EroNic

We have some great traffic on EroAdvertising. You can hit me up at EroAdvertisingNicole (Skype) or [email protected] to learn more.

Nicole on the job

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

aside from the manwin paysites which don't matter the only paysites you see that do media buys on the big tubes at least aim at the audience that gets off on seeing very young looking petite teenagers stretched by large cocks. you don't have to be freud to figure out who that crowd is.

A very, very good point.
Many of the NTV ads are highly disturbing.

CustomBusinessSoftware · 12-10-2015, 12:51 PM

i can get u huge traffic from facebook

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

LOL Yeah man I get that - tho I also understand the reps are just doing their jobs.

But more to your points about ROI:

..... Anything else (upsells, mailings, etc) are different revenue streams and not related directly to the ad buy.

It's absolutely related as the TOTAL average value per join is what is driving ad rates. You are looking at pay sites as an example (most are companies doing the buys, not affiliates) which are likely not making their money back until after a long period of time. That's why you have to understand every single revenue opportunity they run that user through and what the final number is. They might be willing to spend $100 a join. You might not be able to spend more than $80. They might be then still making another 80$ from that join where you make nothing.

Another thing is testing/conversions and tracking. You're going to need to build front ends and sales funnels like those which are successful. You won't be able to just throw your tours as is out there and expect conversions to work. It will take a huge amount of tweaking and tuning and then figuring out every opportunity on the backend to keep making more from each join.

A simple test, go to exoclick, buy a placement on xhamster and pay .05/click and see if you can get a join for less than $400-500. A sincerely don't think it will happen. There is a solid, time proven reason media buyers don't promote adult sites.

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 01:59 PM

Ad rates are primarily determined by the buys of the companies which own the sites as they make the most per join and can pay the most per join (buys). The only way an affiliate succeeds is by having great quality leads, finding niches and so on. A dating company might spend 10.00 per DOI lead and have mediocre quality or bad quality leads. I get a similar amount because mine are typically better quality. But to the point, it is the total average value per member to a dating company which determines the payouts on leads and ad rates. The same applies to adult sites. You can't pay per lead what crak is, if you don't understand what each lead is worth to them and how they are making that money and if you don't have some way of earning a similar amount per join. Most traffic is going to those who pay more for it. You can bid less on any system but won't get much volume and usually not anything worth dealing with or that will yield enough data to work with

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 02:24 PM

BTW... this just occurred to me and its why there is confusion.

If you go to exoclick and try to buy a placement on xhamster for example, you bid the minimum, say .10 CPM and wait.

Nothing happens.

Ad is "live",...

0 impressions... no clicks.

So after a couple days of zero action, you think something is wrong.

Then you increase your bid to .15 CPM. Then you see a few impressions. No clicks.

Eventually you're thinking "oh fuck" because its likely starting to occur to you what the problem is.

Your fears are then confirmed as you bid .20 or .25 etc and a trickle of traffic starts flowing.

You'll realize you won't get any volume of traffic without competing with the top media buyers for it. It's not a question of "advertising", its a question of competing for a premium resource at market rates, determined by the highest earning offers and companies who can generate the highest average value per member/join. And they are seasoned veterans who've spent millions and seen 1000s of you come and go as they were simply forced to out bid you for a week, to make you burn cash and get frustrated and watch you leave, where they then lower their bids and go back to business as usual.

This is what i am getting at with the example of the total value per join. Ultimately if crak is willing to pay 100.00 per join AND they have conversions dialed in (the ads/the landing page, the join process, light code on the pages, CDN, fast servers etc) and are willing to spend 100.00 per join and can then make another 80.00 per join on the back end, you have to be able to earn 150.00 per join or something AND have the same conversions (which won't happen without months of work and testing) to be able to get any traffic.

Now imagine there are 6 of those people, with everything dialed in perfectly after quite a few years of experience and millions spent,... all fighting for the traffic and paying a premium for it and being forced to outbid each other constantly, driving rates up and up,... then a new guy who shows up and says "i want to advertise". That guy is finished before he gets started. He literally walked right into a lions cage with meat tied around his neck.

ravo · 12-10-2015, 03:54 PM

@TheSquealer: Thanks for the comprehensive responses - they are spot-on. They should be required reading for any new advertiser that thinks $20 of traffic is enough to "test".

DaynaDeruelle · 12-10-2015, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

We're talking media buys and advertising on the best sites. So what sites have the most traffic? Where should I advertise my paysites?

Recommendations and experiences please.

daynagsmi on Skype, [email protected] via email. I think you would be interested in Adnium, our CPMv network.

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

BTW... this just occurred to me and its why there is confusion.

If you go to exoclick and try to buy a placement on xhamster for example, you bid the minimum, say .10 CPM and wait.

Nothing happens.

Ad is "live",...

0 impressions... no clicks.

So after a couple days of zero action, you think something is wrong.

Then you increase your bid to .15 CPM. Then you see a few impressions. No clicks.

Eventually you're thinking "oh fuck" because its likely starting to occur to you what the problem is.

Your fears are then confirmed as you bid .20 or .25 etc and a trickle of traffic starts flowing.

You'll realize you won't get any volume of traffic without competing with the top media buyers for it. It's not a question of "advertising", its a question of competing for a premium resource at market rates, determined by the highest earning offers and companies who can generate the highest average value per member/join. And they are seasoned veterans who've spent millions and seen 1000s of you come and go as they were simply forced to out bid you for a week, to make you burn cash and get frustrated and watch you leave, where they then lower their bids and go back to business as usual.

This is what i am getting at with the example of the total value per join. Ultimately if crak is willing to pay 100.00 per join AND they have conversions dialed in (the ads/the landing page, the join process, light code on the pages, CDN, fast servers etc) and are willing to spend 100.00 per join and can then make another 80.00 per join on the back end, you have to be able to earn 150.00 per join or something AND have the same conversions (which won't happen without months of work and testing) to be able to get any traffic.

Now imagine there are 6 of those people, with everything dialed in perfectly after quite a few years of experience and millions spent,... all fighting for the traffic and paying a premium for it and being forced to outbid each other constantly, driving rates up and up,... then a new guy who shows up and says "i want to advertise". That guy is finished before he gets started. He literally walked right into a lions cage with meat tied around his neck.

Thanks for the great words of wisdom! I plan on doing exactly what you outlined via XHamster JUST to confirm what you said (which I absolutely believe).

The issue then is turning to building my own sources of in-house traffic with the money I would've spent doing media buys. However, that's much easier said than done. LOL

Also, to add what you outlined, I don't think I would do enough media buys to even be noticed by the top buyers. My goal is not to spend 50k per month (or week) on ad buys. But your points are well taken (thanks again).

TheSquealer · 12-10-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Thanks for the great words of wisdom! I plan on doing exactly what you outlined via XHamster JUST to confirm what you said (which I absolutely believe).

The issue then is turning to building my own sources of in-house traffic with the money I would've spent doing media buys. However, that's much easier said than done. LOL

Also, to add what you outlined, I don't think I would do enough media buys to even be noticed by the top buyers. My goal is not to spend 50k per month (or week) on ad buys. But your points are well taken (thanks again).

I just hate to see people getting burned.... and you're not a bad guy

Media buying is a tough biz. Its a skill like anything else. It takes a long time to figure out, to understand and then to be able to compete and even then, its nothing but ups and downs. As Milton Friedman said in describing the economy "its like a Japanese garden, where apparent simplicity conceals a very sophisticated reality"

Also remember that you have to deal with statistically significant data samples. In other words, buying an ad spot, spending 20.00 and getting a sale might be the worst thing to ever happen to you, as you need enough data to conclusively determine the average cost per sale. The bigger the data sample, the more accurate that number will be. I would personally be looking for say 10+ joins to give a round idea of what the average cost per join would be.

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I just hate to see people getting burned.... and you're not a bad guy

Media buying is a tough biz. Its a skill like anything else. It takes a long time to figure out, to understand and then to be able to compete and even then, its nothing but ups and downs. As Milton Friedman said in describing the economy "its like a Japanese garden, where apparent simplicity conceals a very sophisticated reality"

Also remember that you have to deal with statistically significant data samples. In other words, buying an ad spot, spending 20.00 and getting a sale might be the worst thing to ever happen to you, as you need enough data to conclusively determine the average cost per sale. The bigger the data sample, the more accurate that number will be. I would personally be looking for say 10+ joins to give a round idea of what the average cost per join would be.

This is actually my intention as well (so I hope I am on the right track). I would never do a test like this for anything less than $500 and probably will double that. It keeps the math simple. LOL

So if a join is (for example) worth around $100 for me (including the rebills) then it would take around 13 joins to break even (factoring in biller's cut). But as you say, it gets extremely tricky. My instincts are telling me it would cost a LOT more than $1000 to get even those 13 joins. If so then it's an easy call. But I also offer higher pricing options so then it becomes do I send traffic to a single price page or keep all four prices?

Testing, testing...and suddenly 10k is spent (easy, probably double that). So, at the end of the day, the question is really: can I spend 20k on something that will throw off traffic long term and be a better ROI?

Again Squealer thanks for your insights. You are indeed a Master of Media Buys!

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CPA-Rush · 12-10-2015, 08:01 PM

trying media buy without an instructor is like starting to hack without a hacker .

it's very difficult.

The Porn Nerd · 12-10-2015, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CPA-Rush

trying media buy without an instructor is like starting to hack without a hacker .

it's very difficult.

Agreed! I will report my results here in a week or so once the test is finished.

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Originally Posted by 1215

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Far-L · 12-10-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Here's the deal.... Yes, some sites "do advertise" - that's just a fact that tells us nothing. The question to be asked is "how are they making as much money as dating, pua etc and why are they succeeding where everyone fails?". That means it is necessary to fully dialect their entire process, their sites, their up sells, cross sells, mailing etc etc etc etc and even then, they can be doing a lot that is not readily obvious... and most importantly, you can't calculate accurately how/when they are earning that money back.

If I had a network of sites and ther content, I'd continue looking for traffic generation methods and owning /growing/retaining my own traffic.

Pure gold.

MetaformX · 12-11-2015, 04:54 AM

Sorry but just from reading this thread and your replies I can say you don't fully grasp media buying. Best of luck though.

webgurl · 12-11-2015, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CPA-Rush

trying media buy without an instructor is like starting to hack without a hacker .

it's very difficult.

Exactly, if you are doing it on your own with no idea what you are doing - high chances of failure.

Penny24Seven · 12-11-2015, 09:17 AM

If you don't know the answer to your question you are going to get smoked LOL. Not how you want to start unless you like pissing away money.
Do you want traffic or do you want sales? Traffic is to make your site look bigger.
Sales will make your wallet bigger.
Which do you want?

ITraffic · 12-11-2015, 09:29 AM

if you look at the paysites that do media buys no one is just sending it to their regular paysites and tours.

they have created paysites and tube tours tailored specifically for media buys / tube traffic with cross sales plus monetizing with ad networks and who knows what else.

The Heron · 12-11-2015, 09:56 AM

The fact that you have niche sites means you don't want 'the most traffic' you want targeted traffic. find the better traffic networks that have tools to help you target and you can make money without spending millions fighting for 'general traffic'.

The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaformX

Sorry but just from reading this thread and your replies I can say you don't fully grasp media buying. Best of luck though.

So enlighten me. What am I not grasping? Special landing pages, optimization, niche traffic...this isn't rocket science that only 4 people on earth can attempt. LOL

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Originally Posted by Brian837

If you don't know the answer to your question you are going to get smoked LOL. Not how you want to start unless you like pissing away money.
Do you want traffic or do you want sales? Traffic is to make your site look bigger.
Sales will make your wallet bigger.
Which do you want?

Sales. Of course, traffic = sales BUT (as others have said) it's the right kind of traffic that counts.

The Porn Nerd · 12-11-2015, 10:47 AM

Let me give a specific example here instead of talking in generalities. I just found this ad below on Pornhub, next to a video (NTV A, top right) but I've also seen this same ad on YouJizz, XHamster and many other tubes:

So graphically (the ad) it's not hard to recreate. The landing page is very similar to the ones I use now and can be altered to look more like this one. So I do not see any special "optimization" for this landing page or join page, nor do I see cross-sells, etc.

Now the one thing I DO wonder is who owns this site. I am assuming it is one of the larger companies so in that case, maybe this site isn't "profitable" at all, but rather simply a marketing campaign to drive type-ins, SEO, affiliate interest, etc. Maybe the Goal for this site is not "profit" from the actual clicks on the ad. If that's the case then we can forget all about this idea. LOL

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nm_ · 12-12-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Now the one thing I DO wonder is who owns this site. I am assuming it is one of the larger companies so in that case, maybe this site isn't "profitable" at all, but rather simply a marketing campaign to drive type-ins, SEO, affiliate interest, etc. Maybe the Goal for this site is not "profit" from the actual clicks on the ad. If that's the case then we can forget all about this idea. LOL

Yes amaking's most popular site is definitely not making any money. You're still just looking at this at face value

Anyone can copy a banner page and lander... With this mindset you could just go to popular tube A, copy all the campaigns, and be making money in no time!!!!!

So besides the initial join, what is watchmygf marketing to new joins? My guess is in addition to their own sites, theyre cross promoting / upselling other amateur offers aggressively via email to earn more per user. I bet if you cancel theyll run your email into the ground with other deals/upsells too.

At this point they have enough data to calculate earnings per click, most likely by geo/niche/site/zone/ad type. With this info, it becomes a little easier to calculate potential roi when buying from diff sites.

My advice to you would be, look at which traffic sources send you the most joins and from where (banner clicks, text links, etc). Try to buy traffic matching those conditions (same geos/ad type/niche) as a test. Make sure you segment and track everything, so you can calculate your epc for each source/zone/ad. After you have this data from testing, you'll be able to weed out sources that aren't converting.

TheSquealer really already nailed it on the head. There's a reason you only really see a handful of offers being promoted heavily via media buys. Its typically only the type of shit where the users card gets banged w/ enough cross sales to cover the extra overhead of buying traffic

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12-10-2015, 11:50 AM	#25
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	aside from the manwin paysites which don't matter the only paysites you see that do media buys on the big tubes at least aim at the audience that gets off on seeing very young looking petite teenagers stretched by large cocks. you don't have to be freud to figure out who that crowd is.

12-10-2015, 12:51 PM	#28
CustomBusinessSoftware Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 687	i can get u huge traffic from facebook __________________ Grow Your Onlyfans @10 usd per day TG @bonsaiplantsnursery

12-10-2015, 01:59 PM	#30
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,113	Ad rates are primarily determined by the buys of the companies which own the sites as they make the most per join and can pay the most per join (buys). The only way an affiliate succeeds is by having great quality leads, finding niches and so on. A dating company might spend 10.00 per DOI lead and have mediocre quality or bad quality leads. I get a similar amount because mine are typically better quality. But to the point, it is the total average value per member to a dating company which determines the payouts on leads and ad rates. The same applies to adult sites. You can't pay per lead what crak is, if you don't understand what each lead is worth to them and how they are making that money and if you don't have some way of earning a similar amount per join. Most traffic is going to those who pay more for it. You can bid less on any system but won't get much volume and usually not anything worth dealing with or that will yield enough data to work with

12-10-2015, 02:24 PM	#31
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,113	BTW... this just occurred to me and its why there is confusion. If you go to exoclick and try to buy a placement on xhamster for example, you bid the minimum, say .10 CPM and wait. Nothing happens. Ad is "live",... 0 impressions... no clicks. So after a couple days of zero action, you think something is wrong. Then you increase your bid to .15 CPM. Then you see a few impressions. No clicks. Eventually you're thinking "oh fuck" because its likely starting to occur to you what the problem is. Your fears are then confirmed as you bid .20 or .25 etc and a trickle of traffic starts flowing. You'll realize you won't get any volume of traffic without competing with the top media buyers for it. It's not a question of "advertising", its a question of competing for a premium resource at market rates, determined by the highest earning offers and companies who can generate the highest average value per member/join. And they are seasoned veterans who've spent millions and seen 1000s of you come and go as they were simply forced to out bid you for a week, to make you burn cash and get frustrated and watch you leave, where they then lower their bids and go back to business as usual. This is what i am getting at with the example of the total value per join. Ultimately if crak is willing to pay 100.00 per join AND they have conversions dialed in (the ads/the landing page, the join process, light code on the pages, CDN, fast servers etc) and are willing to spend 100.00 per join and can then make another 80.00 per join on the back end, you have to be able to earn 150.00 per join or something AND have the same conversions (which won't happen without months of work and testing) to be able to get any traffic. Now imagine there are 6 of those people, with everything dialed in perfectly after quite a few years of experience and millions spent,... all fighting for the traffic and paying a premium for it and being forced to outbid each other constantly, driving rates up and up,... then a new guy who shows up and says "i want to advertise". That guy is finished before he gets started. He literally walked right into a lions cage with meat tied around his neck. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

12-10-2015, 03:54 PM	#32
ravo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Skype: ravo.fpctraffic Posts: 5,439	@TheSquealer: Thanks for the comprehensive responses - they are spot-on. They should be required reading for any new advertiser that thinks $20 of traffic is enough to "test". __________________ AdultAdBroker - Buy and Sell Your Flat Rate Banners, Links, Tabs, Pops, Email Clicks and Members' Area Traffic - updated June 2025

12-10-2015, 07:09 PM	#37
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12-10-2015, 08:01 PM	#38
CPA-Rush small trip to underworld Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: first gen intel 80386/nintendo-gb/arcade/ps1/internet person Posts: 4,927	trying media buy without an instructor is like starting to hack without a hacker . it's very difficult. __________________ automatic exchange - paxum , bitcoin,pm, payza . daizzzy signbucks caution will black-hat black-hat your traffic ignored forever :zuzana designs {firefox- remove some posters \|skills#1\|skills#2\| email >[email protected] } ツ

12-11-2015, 04:54 AM	#41
MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	Sorry but just from reading this thread and your replies I can say you don't fully grasp media buying. Best of luck though.

12-11-2015, 09:17 AM	#43
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,287	If you don't know the answer to your question you are going to get smoked LOL. Not how you want to start unless you like pissing away money. Do you want traffic or do you want sales? Traffic is to make your site look bigger. Sales will make your wallet bigger. Which do you want? __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

12-11-2015, 09:29 AM	#44
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	if you look at the paysites that do media buys no one is just sending it to their regular paysites and tours. they have created paysites and tube tours tailored specifically for media buys / tube traffic with cross sales plus monetizing with ad networks and who knows what else.

12-11-2015, 09:56 AM	#45
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,487	The fact that you have niche sites means you don't want 'the most traffic' you want targeted traffic. find the better traffic networks that have tools to help you target and you can make money without spending millions fighting for 'general traffic'.

12-11-2015, 10:47 AM	#47
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,536	Let me give a specific example here instead of talking in generalities. I just found this ad below on Pornhub, next to a video (NTV A, top right) but I've also seen this same ad on YouJizz, XHamster and many other tubes: So graphically (the ad) it's not hard to recreate. The landing page is very similar to the ones I use now and can be altered to look more like this one. So I do not see any special "optimization" for this landing page or join page, nor do I see cross-sells, etc. Now the one thing I DO wonder is who owns this site. I am assuming it is one of the larger companies so in that case, maybe this site isn't "profitable" at all, but rather simply a marketing campaign to drive type-ins, SEO, affiliate interest, etc. Maybe the Goal for this site is not "profit" from the actual clicks on the ad. If that's the case then we can forget all about this idea. LOL __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

12-12-2015, 10:43 AM	#48
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,536	Saturday bump for insights. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

12-12-2015, 11:07 AM	#49
bmwracer41 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,526	Skype me might have exactly what you are looking for on a great search engine hit me on skype Thanks Ross __________________ Label Dollars-Top Converting Games