So I did a test join to this site....cross-sale Hell! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Pete-KT · 10-04-2008, 04:02 PM

So you rant and not name names, wow grow a pair already, whats the point of your thread of you dont tell us who it is?

Warren · 10-04-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete-KT

So you rant and not name names, wow grow a pair already, whats the point of your thread of you dont tell us who it is?

He already did that Pete.

seeric · 10-04-2008, 04:05 PM

like it or not, i'm right.

Warren · 10-04-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

like it or not, i'm right.

Why is that girl punching that guys willy? lol

BlackCrayon · 10-04-2008, 04:14 PM

Remember the days when sponsors would pay on a sliding scale. How times have changed.

Rochard · 10-04-2008, 04:18 PM

This past summer my wife and I ate out with some friends and we picked up the tab. The bill was like $50, which we paid on the credit card, and we left a $15 tip - in cash. A few days later we discovered that our card got charged for $65.00..... Thus, we left a $30 tip on a $50 bill.

I could care less about $15 or even $30, but the concept of someone charging my card an amount that I didn't agree to scares the crap out of me.

No wonder why our sales our down - a handful of people are jacking off surfers left and right.

Jim_Gunn · 10-04-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This past summer my wife and I ate out with some friends and we picked up the tab. The bill was like $50, which we paid on the credit card, and we left a $15 tip - in cash. A few days later we discovered that our card got charged for $65.00..... Thus, we left a $30 tip on a $50 bill.

I could care less about $15 or even $30, but the concept of someone charging my card an amount that I didn't agree to scares the crap out of me.

No wonder why our sales our down - a handful of people are jacking off surfers left and right.

You probably missed the small print that said 18% gratuity automatically added to parties over four people or something to that effect.

Tempest · 10-04-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by avalanche

So a few weeks ago I came across a low-cost join newtwork of sites of $x.xx per month. The site had no increased rebill price, it was just $x.xx per month flat and I was curious so I joined to see if it was a dvd site, all feeds, etc. I knew the join would be full of semi-hidden cross-sales so I was careful to uncheck everything and make sure there were no automatic cross-sales which there weren't.

I cancelled a few days later to make sure and yes there were pre-checked joins on the cancel page, but after checking my account about 2 weeks later I'm fucking floored to say the least.

I have now had 3 additional $1.00 charges for memberships and 2 $39.97 memberships charged for a grand total of 5 other sites. The $39.97 memberships were charged the same day as the $1.00 so they weren't even rebills, but separate sites. 2 of the $1.00 and 1 of the $39.97 were a week or so after the join which pissed me off, but I dealt with it. Now almost a full week or so later I get another $1.00 and $39.97 charge and the entire boat is now becoming a charge back. For a small $x.xx join I've spent over $80 on sites I didn't want.

This is fucking ridiculous. If being in the business I can't even get a clean join, I can only imagine how surfers are getting fucked.

And, one, no I won't name the program/site as this is something we all know is happening and isn't meant to be a public flogging. And, two, yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow, but that still proves the point that this is wrong.

This is sad, really fucking sad that this is how people build their business. Enough said...

File a complaint with the FTC for fraud etc.

dav3 · 10-04-2008, 04:33 PM

Thank you, avalanche, for taking the time to share the results of your test sign up with the rest of us here.

xmas13 · 10-04-2008, 04:41 PM

Is MetalCash run by former Enron employees?

EscortBiz · 10-04-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Thats why DVDS will never die. Consumer knows what hes gettoing and pays once to get it

whats a DVD?

Iron Fist · 10-04-2008, 05:09 PM

Glad I don't promote them

Rochard · 10-04-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

You probably missed the small print that said 18% gratuity automatically added to parties over four people or something to that effect.

No, I didn't miss jack shit. I paid gratuity. I paid gratuity cash. I signed off allowing them to charge me $50 - Not anything more. What they did was illegal.

I signed the bill, put in the amount $50, put in $0 for the tip, and wrote the final charge as $50. Then I left a tip in cash. I didn't say "$50 and what ever else you decide to charge me".

They can loose their Visa account for shit like this.

Rochard · 10-04-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Thats why DVDS will never die. Consumer knows what hes gettoing and pays once to get it

This is like charging someone $15 for a DVD and at the point of purchase and then nailing them an additional $15 for a second DVD that they didn't ask for.

Hardcore J · 10-04-2008, 05:24 PM

Please contact me on ICQ - As stated all of our crosses are non-hidden, if you canceled the ones you left checked I don't see how you could possibly have been charged and I'd like to look into this a bit further.

the Shemp · 10-04-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcore J

Please contact me on ICQ - As stated all of our crosses are non-hidden, if you canceled the ones you left checked I don't see how you could possibly have been charged and I'd like to look into this a bit further.

your pre checked cross sales are below the join button, which means that on some browsers, the surfer wont see them, without scrolling down the page....

Hardcore J · 10-04-2008, 05:35 PM

Avalanche I've contacted you on ICQ - if you unchecked the boxes and still got charged I'd like to get to the bottom of this immediately. I think that everybody here can understand that charging people who uncheck boxes would be suicide for my merchant accounts.

Please contact me back so we can discuss what charges you saw from what companies.

BDAdv · 10-04-2008, 05:42 PM

Next up sign up for a deeee site...

Hardcore J · 10-04-2008, 05:47 PM

Okay guys.. here's where it stands right now...

About 10 days ago I ran 6 live (real) credit cards and took all the crosses from the companies I deal with, these all had to be canceled one by one.

I did this for several reasons:
1) To check that every cross partner would accept sales correctly
2) To make sure that nothing was being piggy backed onto joins when I send out
3) To make sure that I could cancel every join reasonably easy

All of my tests were successful and I was able to cancel crosses from every company I deal with easily, and also received and email notice from each sponsor about each new membership.

I haven't talked to Avalanche yet, but there must be some explanation for how this happened. After I talk with him I will replicate his join process and see if I can make the charges that he saw happen on my own card(s).

I understand that many of you are upset to hear this, but I'd like to ask that you don't make a final judgement until I can talk to Avalanche...

Thanks guys!

pocketkangaroo · 10-04-2008, 05:53 PM

If all the boxes were unchecked, is it really fair to call it a cross sale? Isn't that just running credit cards (i.e. fraud)? I mean if there is nothing that tell you that you will be billed for this stuff, it's just straight theft, not a cross-sale.

There is a huge difference in a cross-sale that I can unclick and one that isn't shown to the surfer.

Hardcore J · 10-04-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

If all the boxes were unchecked, is it really fair to call it a cross sale? Isn't that just running credit cards (i.e. fraud)? I mean if there is nothing that tell you that you will be billed for this stuff, it's just straight theft, not a cross-sale.

There is a huge difference in a cross-sale that I can unclick and one that isn't shown to the surfer.

As stated above, there are no crosses that you can't unclick anywhere during our join - cancel process.

brand0n · 10-04-2008, 06:08 PM

I hate alienq

d-null · 10-04-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis Rodman

Not for nothing, but metalcash has always been considered shady in my book. I think I did a little promotion back in 04 or some shit, but the conversions blew goats so I dumped them... with tagetted text links. That's all i need to see and kaput.

Hopefully they see this thread and fix their ways. And yes, this is their business model. Quick buck, fuck everyone. Here is a good example:

You join say 123brit website - great... $1.23 per month billed in 30 day intervals... but you get to the 2nd join page and there are the prechecked sells...

At the bottom of the page? Asterisks.... what do they say?

* Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Nine Dollars Thirty Seven Cents if not cancelled
** Free Three Day Membership rebills at Thirty Seven Dollars Nineteen Cents if not cancelled

in just about size 6 verdana font. Small, but still there. There is no way in hell a program would charge a dollar fucking twenty three for a monthly if they didn't think they were getting Joe VisaHolder to not notice his shit and let it rebill.

By the way? The sites that they Xsell to are from TrafficGigs... coincidence?

Both garbage programs IMO

You reap what you sow

wow, thanks for the info, some never change their ways it seems

Sausage · 10-04-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcore J

As stated above, there are no crosses that you can't unclick anywhere during our join - cancel process.

Well I would to say the Op's experiences seem to be different.

I have heard of this kinda fraud going on, and its good to identify another company to avoid

Hardcore J · 10-04-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Well I would to say the Op's experiences seem to be different.

I have heard of this kinda fraud going on, and its good to identify another company to avoid

Avalanche said "...yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow"

From where I stand he obviously forgot to uncheck something a long the line.

Libertine · 10-04-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcore J

Avalanche said "...yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow"

From where I stand he obviously forgot to uncheck something a long the line.

From where I sit (in front of a monitor with your join page on my screen), the design of your join pages is obviously intended to mislead the surfer.

Pre-checked cross-sales below the join button and the Visa/MasterCard logos, with a line stating that "free access" is included, and then outside of the actual design, fine print in letters instead of numbers stating the rebill rate.

This is very obviously NOT intended to have the surfer make an informed decision. It's intended to trick him into signing up for something he doesn't want. Essentially, your goal is to have the surfer not notice something and have him pay for that.

Gambrinus · 10-04-2008, 07:29 PM

Jesus, this is some shady shit.

Visa seriously needs to clamp down on this shit. How do you scumbags sleep at night?

pocketkangaroo · 10-04-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcore J

Avalanche said "...yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow"

From where I stand he obviously forgot to uncheck something a long the line.

The page is shady as shit. In my book what you do is no different than just running credit cards.

Jim_Gunn · 10-04-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, I didn't miss jack shit. I paid gratuity. I paid gratuity cash. I signed off allowing them to charge me $50 - Not anything more. What they did was illegal.

I signed the bill, put in the amount $50, put in $0 for the tip, and wrote the final charge as $50. Then I left a tip in cash. I didn't say "$50 and what ever else you decide to charge me".

They can loose their Visa account for shit like this.

I believe you, but a lot of restaurants do have that written on their bills, and in that case even if you filled out $0 tip and wrote in a total of $50, and even if you left cash on the table for a tip they would be within their right to add in the 18% gratuity if your party exceeded whatever it says on the bill, typically four or more people.

After Shock Media · 10-04-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

File a complaint with the FTC for fraud etc.

That can end up biting us all in the ass. You know if we can not self regulate they will regulate for us and with a heavy hand.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I believe you, but a lot of restaurants do have that written on their bills, and in that case even if you filled out $0 tip and wrote in a total of $50, and even if you left cash on the table for a tip they would be within their right to add in the 18% gratuity if your party exceeded whatever it says on the bill, typically four or more people.

FOUR? I have not seen anything under parties of 7-8 unless it was some hotel restaurant. If I even saw a mandatory tip for 4 at a non hotel place I would leave right then.

Now I know if they have it written somewhere, typically the menu. As you need to know this before you order that they can apply the charge for the mandatory tip (which is BS anyways) for larger parties even if you write 0.00 on the tip line on the receipt legally. Oddly if you do leave another tip they often piggyback the fucker anyways and apparently they can but I feel it is shady as hell.

Then again I also got nabbed hard on a mandatory tip because not only did they add a mandatory 20% to the bill on fucking piss poor service. They also took the tip from two fairly expensive bottles of wine ordered off the wine list that each were a few hundred. Forced tipping even on piss poor service is one thing, adding like a buck per drink is another, but ass fucking someone the 20% also on about 600.00 in wine charges is fucking beyond wrong.

Rochard · 10-04-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I believe you, but a lot of restaurants do have that written on their bills, and in that case even if you filled out $0 tip and wrote in a total of $50, and even if you left cash on the table for a tip they would be within their right to add in the 18% gratuity if your party exceeded whatever it says on the bill, typically four or more people.

When they "include gratuity" they physically include it in the bill. In this case, the grand total of what I allowed them to charge my debit card was $50 - I physically wrote that in there. I didn't write in "$50 plus what ever the fuck you decide to charge me".

I bet you it happens a lot more than we know about too.

Mr. Cool Ice · 10-04-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcore J

Okay guys.. here's where it stands right now...

About 10 days ago I ran 6 live (real) credit cards and took all the crosses from the companies I deal with, these all had to be canceled one by one.

I did this for several reasons:
1) To check that every cross partner would accept sales correctly
2) To make sure that nothing was being piggy backed onto joins when I send out
3) To make sure that I could cancel every join reasonably easy

All of my tests were successful and I was able to cancel crosses from every company I deal with easily, and also received and email notice from each sponsor about each new membership.

I haven't talked to Avalanche yet, but there must be some explanation for how this happened. After I talk with him I will replicate his join process and see if I can make the charges that he saw happen on my own card(s).

I understand that many of you are upset to hear this, but I'd like to ask that you don't make a final judgement until I can talk to Avalanche...

Thanks guys!

I'm gonna blame it on the TARD FACTOR and he forgot to uncheck something.

Mr. Cool Ice · 10-04-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambrinus

Jesus, this is some shady shit.

Visa seriously needs to clamp down on this shit. How do you scumbags sleep at night?

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

Putting a few x-sales under the submit button is the least of these guys worries. Besides, go check all these join pages with a larger resolution, you CAN see these in most cases. It's only around 37% I was checking into that can't see them. Do a browser search and see what people are using. The majority of people CAN see the x-sales.

Now excuse me while I go to sleep like a baby. I'm sure as hell not gonna lose any of it over porn addicts.

d-null · 10-04-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

Putting a few x-sales under the submit button is the least of these guys worries. Besides, go check all these join pages with a larger resolution, you CAN see these in most cases. It's only around 37% I was checking into that can't see them. Do a browser search and see what people are using. The majority of people CAN see the x-sales.

Now excuse me while I go to sleep like a baby. I'm sure as hell not gonna lose any of it over porn addicts.

porn addicts? you sure sound like you use some convoluted logic to justify thieving

PornMogul · 10-04-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That can end up biting us all in the ass. You know if we can not self regulate they will regulate for us and with a heavy hand.

FOUR? I have not seen anything under parties of 7-8 unless it was some hotel restaurant. If I even saw a mandatory tip for 4 at a non hotel place I would leave right then.

Now I know if they have it written somewhere, typically the menu. As you need to know this before you order that they can apply the charge for the mandatory tip (which is BS anyways) for larger parties even if you write 0.00 on the tip line on the receipt legally. Oddly if you do leave another tip they often piggyback the fucker anyways and apparently they can but I feel it is shady as hell.

Then again I also got nabbed hard on a mandatory tip because not only did they add a mandatory 20% to the bill on fucking piss poor service. They also took the tip from two fairly expensive bottles of wine ordered off the wine list that each were a few hundred. Forced tipping even on piss poor service is one thing, adding like a buck per drink is another, but ass fucking someone the 20% also on about 600.00 in wine charges is fucking beyond wrong.

I really don't see the problem here. You ordered $600 in wine. That will show as $600 on the bill along with whatever else you ordered. They charge 20% based on what YOU ordered. If you didn't want to pay 20% on $600 worth of wine, dont buy wine. Pretty simple concept.

TheSenator · 10-04-2008, 10:11 PM

Never put all your eggs in one basket. I have my traffic spread out through 60 programs. I promote sites that update weekly or daily.

Tempest · 10-05-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That can end up biting us all in the ass. You know if we can not self regulate they will regulate for us and with a heavy hand.

As opposed to what? Doing nothing? The FTC will slap people around and they'll stop doing what they're doing... After half a dozen companies got spanked by the FTC last time for spam many stopped taking any email sales as a result of that. This biz will never self regulate as most of it is run by dumb fucks that are only out for a quick buck.

skallar · 10-05-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by avalanche

And, one, no I won't name the program/site as this is something we all know is happening and isn't meant to be a public flogging. And, two, yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow, but that still proves the point that this is wrong.

This parahraphs makes your post entirely useless. If you can't name them then why even bother with the rant?

30 seconds wasted.

RAM · 10-05-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by avalanche

Yes, the program is MetalCash and their $1.23 sites. My post wasn't about flogging a program or giving them more attention then they need. The point was to re-ignite a topic we should all look at including ourselves and the sites we promote. We're all hypocrits to an extent and need to decide if the future of this industry is important for us to salvage or say fuck it and burn it down.

This may not be their business plan and it may not be others, but it's a slippery slope and maybe we ALL need to look at what we're doing, today, not tomorrow, and decide what's right!

and that is why my Number 1 program is KINK.com baby

andrej_NDC · 10-05-2008, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

So people who watch porn are porn addicts and ruin their families? Not sure about the US, the in Europe adult people watch porn, even both partners together, they are not ashamed of it, they don't claim they don't do that, its normal.

RayBonga · 10-05-2008, 05:01 AM

Doesn't this create chargeback hell for them?

Why do other sponsors accept the cross sales from these guys?

GUNNER · 10-05-2008, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

Putting a few x-sales under the submit button is the least of these guys worries. Besides, go check all these join pages with a larger resolution, you CAN see these in most cases. It's only around 37% I was checking into that can't see them. Do a browser search and see what people are using. The majority of people CAN see the x-sales.

Now excuse me while I go to sleep like a baby. I'm sure as hell not gonna lose any of it over porn addicts.

All adult customers are porn addicts, therefore they deserve to be ripped off?

You're a bright one.

sigurman · 10-05-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

not cause of your input. That red shit is just annoying

xmas13 · 10-05-2008, 09:26 AM

Tjeezers · 10-05-2008, 09:27 AM

was about to spend a few hours on Metalcash
I will await this thread and see if we dish it or not

I do not like the screenshot i see a few posts above. thats way to manipulative

avalanche · 10-05-2008, 11:05 AM

I've gathered all the details of sites that were charged and am providing info to MetalCash to investigate. And, I have to give kudos for them for stepping up and getting into the thread compared to others who ignore threads like this all together. I'll keep you updated.

Tanker · 10-05-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, I didn't miss jack shit. I paid gratuity. I paid gratuity cash. I signed off allowing them to charge me $50 - Not anything more. What they did was illegal.

I signed the bill, put in the amount $50, put in $0 for the tip, and wrote the final charge as $50. Then I left a tip in cash. I didn't say "$50 and what ever else you decide to charge me".

They can loose their Visa account for shit like this.

When I leave cash as a tip on a CC purchase I write CASH in the top line since I started doing this I have never had a problem and if they were to do it still I could dispute it and when they had to pull the original receipt it would never hold up

I used to have to pull receipts all the time in retail for people that said they didn't use their CC to make a purchase with us and I would fax there signed receipt into VISA to show their signature

10-04-2008, 04:14 PM	#55
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10-04-2008, 04:18 PM	#56
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,285	This past summer my wife and I ate out with some friends and we picked up the tab. The bill was like $50, which we paid on the credit card, and we left a $15 tip - in cash. A few days later we discovered that our card got charged for $65.00..... Thus, we left a $30 tip on a $50 bill. I could care less about $15 or even $30, but the concept of someone charging my card an amount that I didn't agree to scares the crap out of me. No wonder why our sales our down - a handful of people are jacking off surfers left and right. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

10-04-2008, 04:33 PM	#59
dav3 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,348	Thank you, avalanche, for taking the time to share the results of your test sign up with the rest of us here. __________________ Webmasters :: Juicy Ads :: ACWM :: Crak Revenue :: Money Tree

10-04-2008, 04:41 PM	#60
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	Is MetalCash run by former Enron employees? __________________ ICQ 557504926

10-04-2008, 05:09 PM	#62
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Glad I don't promote them __________________ i like waffles

10-04-2008, 04:02 PM	#51
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	So you rant and not name names, wow grow a pair already, whats the point of your thread of you dont tell us who it is?

10-04-2008, 04:05 PM	#53
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	like it or not, i'm right.

10-04-2008, 05:24 PM	#65
Hardcore J Hardcore 4 Life™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 2,553	Please contact me on ICQ - As stated all of our crosses are non-hidden, if you canceled the ones you left checked I don't see how you could possibly have been charged and I'd like to look into this a bit further.

10-04-2008, 05:35 PM	#67
Hardcore J Hardcore 4 Life™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 2,553	Avalanche I've contacted you on ICQ - if you unchecked the boxes and still got charged I'd like to get to the bottom of this immediately. I think that everybody here can understand that charging people who uncheck boxes would be suicide for my merchant accounts. Please contact me back so we can discuss what charges you saw from what companies.

10-04-2008, 05:42 PM	#68
BDAdv So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 63	Next up sign up for a deeee site...

10-04-2008, 05:47 PM	#69
Hardcore J Hardcore 4 Life™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 2,553	Okay guys.. here's where it stands right now... About 10 days ago I ran 6 live (real) credit cards and took all the crosses from the companies I deal with, these all had to be canceled one by one. I did this for several reasons: 1) To check that every cross partner would accept sales correctly 2) To make sure that nothing was being piggy backed onto joins when I send out 3) To make sure that I could cancel every join reasonably easy All of my tests were successful and I was able to cancel crosses from every company I deal with easily, and also received and email notice from each sponsor about each new membership. I haven't talked to Avalanche yet, but there must be some explanation for how this happened. After I talk with him I will replicate his join process and see if I can make the charges that he saw happen on my own card(s). I understand that many of you are upset to hear this, but I'd like to ask that you don't make a final judgement until I can talk to Avalanche... Thanks guys!

10-04-2008, 05:53 PM	#70
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	If all the boxes were unchecked, is it really fair to call it a cross sale? Isn't that just running credit cards (i.e. fraud)? I mean if there is nothing that tell you that you will be billed for this stuff, it's just straight theft, not a cross-sale. There is a huge difference in a cross-sale that I can unclick and one that isn't shown to the surfer.

10-04-2008, 06:08 PM	#72
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	I hate alienq __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

10-04-2008, 07:29 PM	#77
Gambrinus So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prague Posts: 740	Jesus, this is some shady shit. Visa seriously needs to clamp down on this shit. How do you scumbags sleep at night?

10-04-2008, 10:11 PM	#86
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,337	Never put all your eggs in one basket. I have my traffic spread out through 60 programs. I promote sites that update weekly or daily. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

10-05-2008, 05:01 AM	#91
RayBonga too cool for highschool Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East side, West side, Worldwide! Posts: 12,164	Doesn't this create chargeback hell for them? Why do other sponsors accept the cross sales from these guys?

10-05-2008, 09:26 AM	#94
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	__________________ ICQ 557504926

10-05-2008, 09:27 AM	#95
Tjeezers Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO Posts: 16,587	was about to spend a few hours on Metalcash I will await this thread and see if we dish it or not I do not like the screenshot i see a few posts above. thats way to manipulative __________________ Enroll in the SWAG Affiliate Asian Live Cam Program and get 9 free quality linkbacks from my network! Wanna see how old school I am? Look at this! All my Cam Review Sites are here.

10-05-2008, 11:05 AM	#96
avalanche Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,922	I've gathered all the details of sites that were charged and am providing info to MetalCash to investigate. And, I have to give kudos for them for stepping up and getting into the thread compared to others who ignore threads like this all together. I'll keep you updated. __________________ Avalanche CherryPimps - Daily Pornstars, LIVE and more!