So you rant and not name names, wow grow a pair already, whats the point of your thread of you dont tell us who it is?
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like it or not, i'm right.
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Remember the days when sponsors would pay on a sliding scale. How times have changed.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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This past summer my wife and I ate out with some friends and we picked up the tab. The bill was like $50, which we paid on the credit card, and we left a $15 tip - in cash. A few days later we discovered that our card got charged for $65.00..... Thus, we left a $30 tip on a $50 bill.
I could care less about $15 or even $30, but the concept of someone charging my card an amount that I didn't agree to scares the crap out of me.
No wonder why our sales our down - a handful of people are jacking off surfers left and right.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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Thank you, avalanche, for taking the time to share the results of your test sign up with the rest of us here.Comment
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Is MetalCash run by former Enron employees?
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No, I didn't miss jack shit. I paid gratuity. I paid gratuity cash. I signed off allowing them to charge me $50 - Not anything more. What they did was illegal.
I signed the bill, put in the amount $50, put in $0 for the tip, and wrote the final charge as $50. Then I left a tip in cash. I didn't say "$50 and what ever else you decide to charge me".
They can loose their Visa account for shit like this.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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Please contact me on ICQ - As stated all of our crosses are non-hidden, if you canceled the ones you left checked I don't see how you could possibly have been charged and I'd like to look into this a bit further.Comment
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Avalanche I've contacted you on ICQ - if you unchecked the boxes and still got charged I'd like to get to the bottom of this immediately. I think that everybody here can understand that charging people who uncheck boxes would be suicide for my merchant accounts.
Please contact me back so we can discuss what charges you saw from what companies.Comment
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Next up sign up for a deeee site...Comment
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Okay guys.. here's where it stands right now...
About 10 days ago I ran 6 live (real) credit cards and took all the crosses from the companies I deal with, these all had to be canceled one by one.
I did this for several reasons:
1) To check that every cross partner would accept sales correctly
2) To make sure that nothing was being piggy backed onto joins when I send out
3) To make sure that I could cancel every join reasonably easy
All of my tests were successful and I was able to cancel crosses from every company I deal with easily, and also received and email notice from each sponsor about each new membership.
I haven't talked to Avalanche yet, but there must be some explanation for how this happened. After I talk with him I will replicate his join process and see if I can make the charges that he saw happen on my own card(s).
I understand that many of you are upset to hear this, but I'd like to ask that you don't make a final judgement until I can talk to Avalanche...
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If all the boxes were unchecked, is it really fair to call it a cross sale? Isn't that just running credit cards (i.e. fraud)? I mean if there is nothing that tell you that you will be billed for this stuff, it's just straight theft, not a cross-sale.
There is a huge difference in a cross-sale that I can unclick and one that isn't shown to the surfer.Comment
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I hate alienqwant to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.Comment
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Avalanche said "...yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow"
From where I stand he obviously forgot to uncheck something a long the line.Comment
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From where I sit (in front of a monitor with your join page on my screen), the design of your join pages is obviously intended to mislead the surfer.
Pre-checked cross-sales below the join button and the Visa/MasterCard logos, with a line stating that "free access" is included, and then outside of the actual design, fine print in letters instead of numbers stating the rebill rate.
This is very obviously NOT intended to have the surfer make an informed decision. It's intended to trick him into signing up for something he doesn't want. Essentially, your goal is to have the surfer not notice something and have him pay for that./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Jesus, this is some shady shit.
Visa seriously needs to clamp down on this shit. How do you scumbags sleep at night?Comment
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I believe you, but a lot of restaurants do have that written on their bills, and in that case even if you filled out $0 tip and wrote in a total of $50, and even if you left cash on the table for a tip they would be within their right to add in the 18% gratuity if your party exceeded whatever it says on the bill, typically four or more people.Comment
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That can end up biting us all in the ass. You know if we can not self regulate they will regulate for us and with a heavy hand.
FOUR? I have not seen anything under parties of 7-8 unless it was some hotel restaurant. If I even saw a mandatory tip for 4 at a non hotel place I would leave right then.
Now I know if they have it written somewhere, typically the menu. As you need to know this before you order that they can apply the charge for the mandatory tip (which is BS anyways) for larger parties even if you write 0.00 on the tip line on the receipt legally. Oddly if you do leave another tip they often piggyback the fucker anyways and apparently they can but I feel it is shady as hell.
Then again I also got nabbed hard on a mandatory tip because not only did they add a mandatory 20% to the bill on fucking piss poor service. They also took the tip from two fairly expensive bottles of wine ordered off the wine list that each were a few hundred. Forced tipping even on piss poor service is one thing, adding like a buck per drink is another, but ass fucking someone the 20% also on about 600.00 in wine charges is fucking beyond wrong.Comment
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When they "include gratuity" they physically include it in the bill. In this case, the grand total of what I allowed them to charge my debit card was $50 - I physically wrote that in there. I didn't write in "$50 plus what ever the fuck you decide to charge me".
I bet you it happens a lot more than we know about too.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.
Putting a few x-sales under the submit button is the least of these guys worries. Besides, go check all these join pages with a larger resolution, you CAN see these in most cases. It's only around 37% I was checking into that can't see them. Do a browser search and see what people are using. The majority of people CAN see the x-sales.
Now excuse me while I go to sleep like a baby. I'm sure as hell not gonna lose any of it over porn addicts.NUR COOL UND GEILComment
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I really don't see the problem here. You ordered $600 in wine. That will show as $600 on the bill along with whatever else you ordered. They charge 20% based on what YOU ordered. If you didn't want to pay 20% on $600 worth of wine, dont buy wine. Pretty simple concept.Comment
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Never put all your eggs in one basket. I have my traffic spread out through 60 programs. I promote sites that update weekly or daily.ISeekGirls.com since 2005Comment
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As opposed to what? Doing nothing? The FTC will slap people around and they'll stop doing what they're doing... After half a dozen companies got spanked by the FTC last time for spam many stopped taking any email sales as a result of that. This biz will never self regulate as most of it is run by dumb fucks that are only out for a quick buck.Comment
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Doesn't this create chargeback hell for them?
Why do other sponsors accept the cross sales from these guys?Comment
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was about to spend a few hours on Metalcash
I will await this thread and see if we dish it or not
I do not like the screenshot i see a few posts above. thats way to manipulativeComment
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I've gathered all the details of sites that were charged and am providing info to MetalCash to investigate. And, I have to give kudos for them for stepping up and getting into the thread compared to others who ignore threads like this all together. I'll keep you updated.Comment
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When I leave cash as a tip on a CC purchase I write CASH in the top line since I started doing this I have never had a problem and if they were to do it still I could dispute it and when they had to pull the original receipt it would never hold up
I used to have to pull receipts all the time in retail for people that said they didn't use their CC to make a purchase with us and I would fax there signed receipt into VISA to show their signatureComment
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