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minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 01:37 AM

If this is the kind of legal hot shots I am gonna be defending against, I am not worried - at all - about my chances of success.

First off, here is the docket sheet in 3:06-CV-04079, TMM, LLC v NR Media, Inc. apparently, TMM sued XclusiveCash before XclusiveCash sued them. Notice how at the bottom of the page, on the very first line, John's attorney sent the wrong filing fee to the Court. Isn't an attorney supposed to know what the then-current filing fee is for the court he practices in? Never mind, its a rhetorical question: yes he is!

And now, here is the Complaint from that case. You don't start a complaint off with "Count 1". You don't list the counts you are charging until you have alleged the facts upon which you rely on for those counts. If anything, you start it with "Complaint" and then "Facts of the Case" and then "Count I", etc and finally a "Prayer for Relief", -or- you can also do "Introduction", then "Parties" then "Jurisdiction", then "Facts of the Case" and then "Count I", etc and finally a "Prayer for Relief", if you want to go the long way. Most professionals do it the second way because it gets rid of a month worth of BS jurisdiction issues motions back and forth BS at the start.

I have NEVER seen a style manual that says you start off with "Count I" as the lead of your complaint, and I have read and own copies of them all.

Its clearly novice hour over at John's counsel's office. I can't wait to be served with my summons written on the back of a dinner napkin.

pip · 01-02-2008, 01:41 AM

If you were smart you would not comment on the lawsuit on a message board, its only going to hurt your case

L-Pink · 01-02-2008, 01:42 AM

Passing the bar isn't proof that someone is smart. It is however proof they're not stupid. I'd worry about something else.

dav3 · 01-02-2008, 01:46 AM

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Zango · 01-02-2008, 01:48 AM

The element of surprise is a great tool. If you are going to attack someone, do it with a blow so hard and unexpected that they crumble.

Crying about it here and telling the world what you are doing is working against you.

Bojangles · 01-02-2008, 01:48 AM

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minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

If you were smart you would not comment on the lawsuit on a message board, its only going to hurt your case

I hope he does print it off and file it as an Exhibit. Judge would read it and agree and that can only work in my favor.

minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zango

The element of surprise is a great tool. If you are going to attack someone, do it with a blow so hard and unexpected that they crumble.

Crying about it here and telling the world what you are doing is working against you.

LOL, I hope you are a fake nic. Zango? Are you kidding me? You guys post here? LOLOLOL

I don't need the element of surprise for something like this. I'm not gonna attack the way John's counsel handled things in another case not related to mine. I'm just having fun here.

dig420 · 01-02-2008, 02:04 AM

do your mom and dad know you like the cock?

Any new craigslist boyfriends?

minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 02:08 AM

LOL, there is more.

Finally, we have John's lawyer not following Rule 4(d)(1) and requesting a waiver of return of service. As such, the other side had to put it together themselves and file it at their own expense.

Jesus Christ, John. Does your attorney always fuck up 75% the stuff he files? You guys only filed five items in that case, and thats if I give you credit for the proposed order that your counsel put together at the Court's direction, but they are the ones that filed that. Also assumes I count the complaint and the summons as two separate filings (and in fact, they are - and thats another fuckup - the summons get filed with the complaint, not 4 days later).

LOLOLOLOLOL

Funny shit here. We are up to like 75% of the filings in this case having some defective attribute to them. Man, I'd fire my lawyer at this point, John.

dig420 · 01-02-2008, 02:09 AM

There is even MORE!!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095

minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420

There is even MORE!!

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095

Keep spamming that around, I honestly don't care.

MicDoohan · 01-02-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Keep spamming that around, I honestly don't care.

hahahaha of course you don't you psychiatric homo thief

sued your parents lately ?

p.s that wise crack earnt you another bump keithy

escorpio · 01-02-2008, 03:04 AM

Please get psychiatric help before you hurt someone.

fuzzylogic · 01-02-2008, 03:16 AM

ya? but i bet my keyboard is bigger than yours.

dig420 · 01-02-2008, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Keep spamming that around, I honestly don't care.

Good. I think I'll make that my only reply in every thread you're involved in. Just to make sure that everyone knows you're a 300 lb mentally disturbed individual who sucks dicks from Craigslist. I mean, since you don't care.

minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

ya? but i bet my keyboard is bigger than yours.

I bet my keyboard is cooler than yours...

ShaveBucks · 01-02-2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Its clearly novice hour over at John's counsel's office.

And yet you're not an attorney at all which makes you even less than novice.

pip · 01-02-2008, 05:56 AM

Im gonna call Keith's mommy today

Enemator · 01-02-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

Im gonna call Keith's mommy today

Wouldn't that just take the biscuit

Scootermuze · 01-02-2008, 08:30 AM

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Isn't an attorney supposed to know what the then-current filing fee is for the court he practices in? Never mind, its a rhetorical question: yes he is!

Aren't you supposed to know, with all of your Time-Life how-to books, that lawyers submit partial filing fees all the time... it's done for a reason in many cases.. I'm surprised that you being the expert you are, you haven't a clue..

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I have NEVER seen a style manual that says you start off with "Count I" as the lead of your complaint, and I have read and own copies of them all.

It was accepted as a valid document by the court..That's what matters..
If you look through other such documents, you'll find that formatting isn't as nit picky as you wish they were so you could carry on with your simpleton ramblings..

Keep thinking you're the better person.. I guess someone needs to think that..

FredIsMe · 01-02-2008, 08:40 AM

I'd worry about your own ass, not the attorney

minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Aren't you supposed to know, with all of your Time-Life how-to books, that lawyers submit partial filing fees all the time... it's done for a reason in many cases.. I'm surprised that you being the expert you are, you haven't a clue..

It was accepted as a valid document by the court..That's what matters..
If you look through other such documents, you'll find that formatting isn't as nit picky as you wish they were so you could carry on with your simpleton ramblings..

Keep thinking you're the better person.. I guess someone needs to think that..

Yep, they pay part of the filing fee when they are too broke to afford the whole thing, or when they are too stupid to get it right the first time.

The court will almost accept things on a napkin. That doesn't mean they meet the standards for filing nor does it mean that they are properly formatted according to accept standards, i.e. what the style guides speak of.

notoldschool · 01-02-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Yep, they pay part of the filing fee when they are too broke to afford the whole thing, or when they are too stupid to get it right the first time.

The court will almost accept things on a napkin. That doesn't mean they meet the standards for filing nor does it mean that they are properly formatted according to accept standards, i.e. what the style guides speak of.

You calling the owner of tmm or any real lawyer broke is funny. You cant even afford your meds, counseling, or to pay for friends and you call them broke. If you had any money you wouldnt have to auction off your dick sucker on Craigs list. Dipshit.

seeric · 01-02-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420

Good. I think I'll make that my only reply in every thread you're involved in. Just to make sure that everyone knows you're a 300 lb mentally disturbed individual who sucks dicks from Craigslist. I mean, since you don't care.

i don't get the craigslist thing anywhere i read it. where did that come from?

link please.

TheDoc · 01-02-2008, 10:43 AM

I have been through my share of legal fights, from a more personal level to the gov. Been through a few law firms, good and bad. All sides screw up all the time, even the best lawyers/firms, from paper work to exactly what should have been filed, even what should or shouldn't be done or was stated to do.

This is one of the big reasons why really good lawyers can pull off a long shot cases and win.

I'm sure John/Tmm hasn't been through a great deal of legal fights. It takes time to learn the ropes, learn a client, learn a lawyer, learn if you need to change council or not. But it doesn't take much to sue someone for making up clear frivolous slander and lies about tmm/nats and all nats clients. You could file that on a napkin and win.

dial · 01-02-2008, 11:00 AM

well, apparently they are doing something right because xclusivecash is a sinking ship and tmm is about to win that lawsuit

Pleasurepays · 01-02-2008, 11:07 AM

you will ultimately end up in prison, or dead in the next 5-10 years if you don't get help.

but there is a good side... if you end up in prison, you will be living with like minded idiots who are right about everything, who "get it", who are "just victims of oppression" and you will be surrounded by really cool personalities that you look up to, such as The Unibomber, Timothy McVeigh and other serial killers.

surely your young, white, squishy butt will make a great currency in prison.

JFK · 01-02-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FredIsMe

I'd worry about your own ass, not the attorney

Phil · 01-02-2008, 11:39 AM

somebody get him off this board

DaddyHalbucks · 01-02-2008, 11:47 AM

The battles are one thing, the WAR is another.

Pleasurepays · 01-02-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The battles are one thing, the WAR is another.

well.... considering this is a bit like a 10 year old retarded kid trying to invade England... i think the notion of "battles" or "the war" are pretty much irrelevant.

dav3 · 01-02-2008, 05:01 PM

need more drama

minusonebit · 01-02-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dial

well, apparently they are doing something right because xclusivecash is a sinking ship and tmm is about to win that lawsuit

That I somehow doubt. I smelled bullshit when they announced that case, and word has it that the evidence that has come out to date in discovery has not supported that viewpoint.

.~. · 01-02-2008, 05:36 PM

I don't think this is as funny as you want it to be.

A support staff member usually worries about "filing fees" and it is not uncommon for someone to send the wrong amount to a court clerk. Happens all the time and is easily remedied. Demonstrates nothing.

The rules for drafting a complaint vary from state to state (and from court to court). That might be the reason you haven't seen that particular complaint format. Unless he forgot the essentials, makes NO difference to the case.

The waiver of service was probably a matter of John sending it to the Defense Counsel and they signed and returned it to the court. No expense involved. Normally you might file your waivers with the complaint in Federal Court, but there are MANY reasons why you might not be able to do so. Not an issue at all.

Every single one of these so called "defective attributes" are not really defective and won't affect anything at all regarding the case.

This isn't a game of gotcha - you have a typo in your complaint The court will make sure of that.

baddog · 01-02-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well.... considering this is a bit like a 10 year old retarded kid trying to invade England... i think the notion of "battles" or "the war" are pretty much irrelevant.

You never saw 'The Mouse That Roared'?

_Richard_ · 01-02-2008, 05:45 PM

haha

first of all, that court filing fee was probably because some office clerk made a mistake

second, you don't really know what you're talking about, cause you wouldn't be bragging about how smart you were on a message board lol

GigoloMason · 01-02-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

That I somehow doubt. I smelled bullshit when they announced that case, and word has it that the evidence that has come out to date in discovery has not supported that viewpoint.

That's probally because people who operate in the real world keep legal procedings private pending a decision.

As for the rest you're more or less 100% wrong. I really think you need to re read what you posted, and then re read the filings because what occured in those inital filings seems to have gone way over your head. Not that it's particularly suprising.

PS: I know Al's track record in the court room, and from all the crap thats gone on aruond here I have a pretty good idea what yours is. Guess which one of you I'd trust with a legal situation. Hint: It's not you.

shunga · 01-02-2008, 06:01 PM

Best news I've heard for a while. He will still be claiming he's the smart one in a world full of idiots when they're prising the keyboard from his hands.

V_RocKs · 01-02-2008, 06:14 PM

I almost fell asleep when I got to the end of this mindless drivel.

Pleasurepays · 01-02-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I almost fell asleep when I got to the end of this mindless drivel.

he's either going to change the world we live in for the better (highly unlikely)
or strap a bomb to himself and jump onto a bus full of school kids (highly likely)

either way, its worth paying attention to... out of morbid curiousity and the trainwreck value, or to have a clue as to which school bus, in which town to avoid.

GigoloMason · 01-02-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

he's either going to change the world we live in for the better (highly unlikely)
or strap a bomb to himself and jump onto a bus full of school kids (highly likely)

either way, its worth paying attention to... out of morbid curiousity and the trainwreck value, or to have a clue as to which school bus, in which town to avoid.

My vote is a school bus micheal moore in team america style.

dial · 01-02-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

That I somehow doubt. I smelled bullshit when they announced that case, and word has it that the evidence that has come out to date in discovery has not supported that viewpoint.

uh, no...might wanna do a little investigation on the public facts

in fact, I seem to recall one person that was the head of norivals (formerly xclusivecash) stepping down as the guy in charge...this was a few months after the case started

xclusivecash STOLE tens of thousands of dollars from affiliates, there is NO way they can win that case

fatfoo · 01-02-2008, 11:34 PM

blah blah blah blah

minusonebit · 01-03-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dial

uh, no...might wanna do a little investigation on the public facts

in fact, I seem to recall one person that was the head of norivals (formerly xclusivecash) stepping down as the guy in charge...this was a few months after the case started

xclusivecash STOLE tens of thousands of dollars from affiliates, there is NO way they can win that case

From what I have heard, the allegations are bullshit and untrue.

Pleasurepays · 01-03-2008, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

From what I have heard, the allegations are bullshit and untrue.

dial · 01-03-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

From what I have heard, the allegations are bullshit and untrue.

might wanna ask the hundreds of affiliates that are owed money about that

i know one guy that is owed $10k in REBILLS ALONE

01-02-2008, 01:37 AM	#1
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Hey John, Your Attorney is an Idiot, Too. If this is the kind of legal hot shots I am gonna be defending against, I am not worried - at all - about my chances of success. First off, here is the docket sheet in 3:06-CV-04079, TMM, LLC v NR Media, Inc. apparently, TMM sued XclusiveCash before XclusiveCash sued them. Notice how at the bottom of the page, on the very first line, John's attorney sent the wrong filing fee to the Court. Isn't an attorney supposed to know what the then-current filing fee is for the court he practices in? Never mind, its a rhetorical question: yes he is! And now, here is the Complaint from that case. You don't start a complaint off with "Count 1". You don't list the counts you are charging until you have alleged the facts upon which you rely on for those counts. If anything, you start it with "Complaint" and then "Facts of the Case" and then "Count I", etc and finally a "Prayer for Relief", -or- you can also do "Introduction", then "Parties" then "Jurisdiction", then "Facts of the Case" and then "Count I", etc and finally a "Prayer for Relief", if you want to go the long way. Most professionals do it the second way because it gets rid of a month worth of BS jurisdiction issues motions back and forth BS at the start. I have NEVER seen a style manual that says you start off with "Count I" as the lead of your complaint, and I have read and own copies of them all. Its clearly novice hour over at John's counsel's office. I can't wait to be served with my summons written on the back of a dinner napkin.

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pip So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468	If you were smart you would not comment on the lawsuit on a message board, its only going to hurt your case

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Zango So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 511	The element of surprise is a great tool. If you are going to attack someone, do it with a blow so hard and unexpected that they crumble. Crying about it here and telling the world what you are doing is working against you.

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minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	LOL, there is more. Finally, we have John's lawyer not following Rule 4(d)(1) and requesting a waiver of return of service. As such, the other side had to put it together themselves and file it at their own expense. Jesus Christ, John. Does your attorney always fuck up 75% the stuff he files? You guys only filed five items in that case, and thats if I give you credit for the proposed order that your counsel put together at the Court's direction, but they are the ones that filed that. Also assumes I count the complaint and the summons as two separate filings (and in fact, they are - and thats another fuckup - the summons get filed with the complaint, not 4 days later). LOLOLOLOLOL Funny shit here. We are up to like 75% of the filings in this case having some defective attribute to them. Man, I'd fire my lawyer at this point, John.

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.~. So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 396	I don't think this is as funny as you want it to be. A support staff member usually worries about "filing fees" and it is not uncommon for someone to send the wrong amount to a court clerk. Happens all the time and is easily remedied. Demonstrates nothing. The rules for drafting a complaint vary from state to state (and from court to court). That might be the reason you haven't seen that particular complaint format. Unless he forgot the essentials, makes NO difference to the case. The waiver of service was probably a matter of John sending it to the Defense Counsel and they signed and returned it to the court. No expense involved. Normally you might file your waivers with the complaint in Federal Court, but there are MANY reasons why you might not be able to do so. Not an issue at all. Every single one of these so called "defective attributes" are not really defective and won't affect anything at all regarding the case. This isn't a game of gotcha - you have a typo in your complaint The court will make sure of that.

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