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BVF

I wasn't even about to read all that shit...

I have a handjob video up right now that I shot with a GOOD friend of mine...She would BEG me to do pictures or video and I turned her down because I know her kids and they're getting older now so I didn't want them to see her face online..

After constant begging, I told her I wouldn't shoot any pictures because I knew she would regret it later but I would shoot the video where her face wasn't shown....I'm a good friend of hers so I did everything in my power to protect her interests and not fuck her over.

TWO DAYS after the shoot was over, she calls me and tells me that she doesn't want the video up yet and that I "didn't care about her" by putting the video up anyway...

What I believe happened is that she wanted the money immediately and thought that since she was my friend, she could weasle out of her video being put online...She was wrong...

Now it's been up a couple of weeks and she hasn't had any problems so everything is cool now...But I will NEVER conduct business with her again.

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tony286

Man a bunch of cold people here,no wonder people say we are scumbags. Tell her to give you back your money and you will take the pictures down,chances are that will make her go away. To go to war over one girl is not good business and we arent in the most loved business in the world.
A piece of advice for Sticky maybe you dont know but you arent in the most porn friendly state in the union, you piss some girl off and you could have shit storm like you wouldnt believe.

tony286

Thank you someone with common sense

brownie

holy crap. that girl was definitely in her own little world when writing that message. maybe she has a life in writing boring novels???

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split_joel

give her the photos back man, I know its the industry but sometimes things are still fucked up

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Xplicit

9 out of 10 of these sluts who get naked for money have the SAME FUCKING SOB STORIES.

You think girls end up doing this from being over-educated and over-intelligent?

A story about how she constantly gets herself into stupid situations would get no pitty from me.


DO YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT OF MODELS WITH COMPLETELY FUCKED UP PERSONAL LIVES??? The only differnece with this one is that she put it in an email. Otherwise, maybe you should start contacting all your past talent and ask how their lives are, and take down their content too.

Fluid

Umm, how did he help destroy her life?
Think of it this way, she steps in front of a speeding train to commit suicide, and the engineer cannot stop. Did the engineer help ruin her life? No.
It's a little thing called choice. She chose to step in front of a camera just the same as the train, and she knew once she did neither the train nor the photos could be stopped easily, and there is no changing her mind.

At the end of the day, she signed a contract as an adult, he upheld his end, should she not have to grow up and uphold hers?

xenilk

My exact thought. Why don't people think before doing those kind of work? Amazing.

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JP-pornshooter

That is the worst comparison ever.. the engineer WOULD stop if he could. Here the publisher has a chance to stop. Yes she is adult and she signed legal papers, but it is not about the legality. It is about keeping things easy. These girls are often very confused and despite they are 18, often have not properly matured to the level of a normal 18 yo.
On top of that this girl sounds crazy, suicidal.. would you want the next headline to be : 18 year old college student kills herself, she was cohersed into doing porn and could not find a way out...

Sunny Leone

"Welcome to the Real WORLD SISTER".... That is what I would say....I agree with the above, if you have followed all the procedures correctly then screw her. If she wants to cover every single dime you spent on it then that is something to think about. Why should you feel bad because she was a ding dong that compromised who she was as a person for money. She should live with the mistake and learn from it.

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Mutt

listen to Sunny who is a model - and stop buying into this crap that doing some nude modelng or porn work destroys any girl's life. sorry it doesnt work that way, of course it's easy to put the blame there but you don't have to dig very far to see that there are almost always many other issues going on with the girl. if you are a captain save a ho type then go the whole distance - do what donny did and get out of the business entirely because i will guarantee you that on every site you send traffic to there are several girls with similar stories and regrets and you are profiting from it.

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beemk

if you're going to get rid of the content for the $ you paid her its one thing, im talking about when you want much more than you paid her.

besides, why would you give her the $ you paid her back and be done with it? you must not value your time.

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JMM

You can take that approach. However, as a business owner, it is all about limiting your liability. Remember, this is the United States of America where anyone can sue anyone else for anything at any time. Bogus lawsuit? It will get thrown out of court. 10 to 20 thousand dollars later.

There are plenty of sleazy lawyers out there that would take a case like this and charge a 6 blow job retainer, 3 fucks a month fee, and anal when the case is won. There is a greater than 75/25 chance that if a case like this was filed, it would proceed without getting thrown out. Pussy is infinite, $$$$'s are finite.

Again, its all about limiting liability.

needlive

The same opinion here...if you trust her, you should drop the photos...

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Boobzooka

These are my general rules for trying to avoid this type of situation. So far, so good.

Don't approach them first. Place an ad and make them contact you. It should always be their idea. They decided to pursue adult employment before ever speaking to you.

Don't try to talk them into it. After explaining the job, if they still seem unsure then ask them to take some time to think about it and call you back when they're ready for an interview. You'll lose a few leads this way, but it's better than having them freak out during/after the shoot.

Do your interviews in a neutral no-pressure public place like a restaurant or a coffee shop. Not a bar. Answer all questions honestly. Make sure they understand exactly what will be expected and how the content will be used.

Respect any expressed limitations. If she says she isn't comfortable with boy/girl work, doesn't do anal, whatever, then don't offer her that kind of work. It's not difficult to get a girl to bend her boundaries for money, it's not a challenge, it doesn't make you pimp, it's not worth it. Definitely don't surprise her during a shoot with anything she hasn't already agreed to.

Finally, while scheduling, give her your most sincere "Are you sure?" speech. Ask her directly if it will keep her awake at night knowing there are naked pictures of her on the internet. Ask her, what if someone she knows sees them? Try to scare her off. But by now a reasonable amount of time should have passed since she first contacted you, this is at least your 3rd conversation, and while I've never had anyone back out at this point, I still go through it just for my own peace of mind.

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Agent 488

give it back. she's going to quit smoking cigs this winter.

HeadPimp

OK, for the asshole response...

Fuck her... She signed the releases and was paid. You aren't fucking up her life, she is. Too many people in this world want to make someone else responsible for their problems.

The reality is that you returning her pictures wouldn't un-screw her life up one iota.

Doctor Dre

Theses are always though situations... depending of what you did with the material and how you planed to use it... personally I'd ask for the money back + money for your time. (payments if she can't do it one shot, with revoking of the contract once every penny has been paid).

But that's my stand.

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stickyfingerz

Right that would be an issue for my lawyer to worry about. And as said above we do a pre shoot interview with the girls and explain how the shoot will go, allow them to ask any questions. Make sure EVERYTHING is VERY clear ON VIDEO! We videotape them signing the release and us getting copies of their ids. I actually save any email correspondence and put it on the same dvd for each girl. Also make sure if you are shooting content you form an llc. This will protect your home and assets outside of the business. Make sure your release forms are done by a lawyer and all in order. TN isnt all that bad on shooting porn. Especially with what we shoot its fairly mild stuff. Do you think Georgia is any easier on porn than TN?

StarkReality

That's the best way, many amateur girls tend to change their minds when they have a new boyfriend, get a job or whatever, so give her a chance to buy back her content, but make it an expensive lesson...you aren't charity, you run a business, she signed a contract.

Mutt

do the thing where you try to scare them away to test their resolve and decision and I guarantee you the only girls you'll have is deadend skanks. there would be no hardcore industry if not for pimp boyfriends and 'agents' who get these girls in the biz and it's not pretty. and i bet it's no different in Europe. the military does it, the porn industry does it - recruiting. and the military recruiter doesn't sit there harping on the dangers 'son are you sure you really want to do this? i've seen boys just like you blown apart, heads, arms, legs, it's not pretty son'

the only thing you should be is honest and tell them what your plans are for them and the content and when they have their own questions answer honestly.

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EroticyChrissy

I can't believe she wrote all that shit to you. Like you should care about her personal life or misfortuntes. It has nothing to do with the pictures and money. Jeez, another woman just trying to use her sobbing story to get something. Look, I'm a woman but I'm grown enough to accept all the actions that I make even if they are "mistakes." - Make her pay you back. She needs to learn a lesson. I'm not a crude bitch. hahaha

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jabula

She sounds dangerous ... I'd give the pics back ...

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too fucking bad.

tony286

See this is where people decide to go into the content business and really dont know.
There were at least two obscenity arrests in TN for video store owners in 2006. The first people on the net to be hit with an obscenity conviction happened in TN, even though they operated their business out of CA.
Now in GA actually we dont have a obscenity law currently it was stuck down. GA is much safer than TN Rookie. Mike South was on the cover of Creative Loafing as the porn king of Atlanta and nothing happen to him.Its more then just my lawyer to deal with if the girl papers the whole area where you live with you have a pornographer living next door to you. You dont live in the most open minded state so I would rethink your im going to be the tough business man unless your planning on moving.You have a family to consider.

The Duck

Fuck it, who cares, everyone has a sob story.

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stickyfingerz

Now then. Was it state law or a local law?

tony286

also who in this thread actually shoots content?

tony286

State Law if you think your safe in TN your playing with yourself. Why do you think their aren't many porn producers in TN?Im trying to be nice and give you a heads up but I can tell already you think you know better. JUst make me one promise if you do get busted dont come here begging for donations because it will be no one but your fault.

stickyfingerz

Really can you point me to an article or the law somewhere?

EBORG9

I think you should use the letter to market the content.
Some kind of TEENREGRETS.COM, or MYMOTHERMADEMEDOIT.COM

stickyfingerz

Since I already know the case you are referring to lets see what you dig up.

Twisted Dave

You're only saying that because you're successful ... imagine you were in her shoes ... didn't have the fame and glory that comes with fucking for a living in higher profile shoots etc ...

She's a different person, and if you were in her shoes you'd be the same as her.

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tony286

Dont have to its your ass not mine,if your going to have a hardon attitude with models you have to be ready. Your business doesnt affect mine one way or another but to think its impossible that you can get busted is beyond dumb.You dont live in a porn friendly place and remember "its not fair doesn't work" in a court of law. Here is what your state gov is working on:
http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../1007/MTCN0305

Big Red Machine

I was clean shaven when I started reading that.....excuse me must go shave

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stickyfingerz

Ok now what does a law that will never get passed and being pushed with a democrat, and has to do with late night tv infomercials have to do with me? The one you were referring to had to do with a couple in Cali that were selling beastiality, incest, and piss scenes. They got busted for selling to a postal inspector. This was in 1996. I dont shoot ANYTHING close to that, and we do mostly nude teasy type stuff and light masturbation, maybe hj, and bj stuff. I dont even put most of it up for download. It is mailed fedex to our clients. Now find me the law concerning PRODUCTION of content in the state of TN.

tony286

once again that is old adult videos stores where busted last year.I dont have to prove it to you, Im giving you a heads up .you think you know it all thats up to you .Ive known for a long time TN is not a good place to shoot.

illeana

Tough call...... it makes me think..... karma..... i would give back her pics

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stickyfingerz

Video stores werent busted, they changed some zoning restrictions. Changed hours to midnight they must close where they used to be open 24 hours. The ones that got busted had prostitution going on right in the stores. I know whats going on in TN. The other thing you probably heard about was the adult store that added mainstream products in order to be able to stay open 24 hours. They ended up winning that battle. They added mainstream magazines and other products in order to have a minimum percentage of non adult products. The strip clubs are now fighting a 3ft rule that they have passed and is now starting to get beat too. Clubs that had to close are now opening again. Nashville 3 to 5 years ago had open "spas" and whore houses and pretty much open prostitution. That got cut back of course, but still places around. I know what is going on in TN. So does my lawyer.

ThreeDeviants

Heh, she lost me after the first line... If you've got a release and she got paid, then the work is yours, not hers. Plain and simple. Her only recourse is to purchase the license to the content. The value of which is production cost + potential future income of the project... and that's only if you haven't re-sold the rights to it already.

It's business, plain, cold and simple.

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come on, pics!

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rapmaster

or at least describe her, I need a visual

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The Ghost

Agreed

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Beaver Bob

ya this is why I wouldn't want to shoot my friends. Unless she is already in the industry.

to the topic at hand, she is a grown woman and is capable of making her own decisions. She did what she did, this is business. Plain and simple.

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emthree

She should write a book.

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theruyan

I'd concur wth the other guy here that reminded you how she wrote about the guns and the lifestyle she was involved with -- that alone is enough reason for you to cut your losses this time, maybe try to squeeze a little dough out of her for your time, and give her back those damn pictures and then blacklist her name as a model.

You are dealing with a mentally ill person straight up, yo.

You can go on and on about it being a business deal and so on like the other people here are suggesting but there is no such thing as a business deal with the mentally ill, and bro, she sounds FUBAR to me. That letter borders on psycho. This is the stuff stalkers are made of, trust me on this, I've been dealing with a stalker of this caliber for 11 fucking years, my man.

You WANT this chick out of your life and to forget you even exist as quickly as possible. Just try to get some dough out of her and regardless, give her back those pics and forget about it.

VicD

Don't use the material but get the money back, otherwise...

DutchTeenCash

one small reply : no

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DeadFidel

This was to be a rhetorical thread, but I let it run it's course. I took the loose BTW.