DeadFidel

Here is her mail: I paid her and have the doc

I believe I made a mistake when I did the shoot with you. Although I needed the money many variables come into mind while rethinking my actions.
They were right when they said that high school years go by so quickly. It seems like I was living in the fast lane filled with plenty of good intentions just bad ideas. My friends and I always had a phrase that we thought was pretty good, "live fast die young"; maybe it was a part of our sarcastic humor that we loved it so much. I started dealing drugs and selling weapons on the streets, I witnessed horrible crimes that still give me nightmares, I started popping pills and shooting heroin, and questioned the validity/worth of my life entirely all too often . .. I was really living that phrase to the fullest: I was living fast, and dieing young.

I started dating my friend Joe, and he was involved in the same kind of bad activities I was. He was a great support for me, and he listened when I would talk about my mother. We were engaged sometime during my sophomore year. I remember him getting violently angry that she was telling me things like I was not pretty, I needed make up, I needed to lose weight, etc. He straight said that she was never a mother to me and she will never be one, and to forget about what she says because she is not worth it. By this point my grades were already starting to fall, I didn?t understand why my own mother would hate me so much. What could I possibly have done wrong to deserve this, and why won?t she let me talk to her? We never had open lines of communication, and now that my grades were falling below an A level I never heard the end of it, I was screwing up my life and I wouldn?t amount to anything. This was the first time I?d gotten any recognition for my academics, unfortunately it was negative. She asked why the change? She hadn?t listened to my problems before why would she now. The depression was only the beginning.
My aunt suggested that we go thru family counseling. I agreed. Every attempt I had made of trying to talk to my mother never ended well. Not only was I unable to ever finish what I was saying, but she always had a quick close minded over critical answer to things I wasn?t looking for an answer too. She never came to any performances or events all through high school and asked why I was wasting my time on things like photography and music. Music was the only thing there was sometimes. I had already been speaking with two of the people who worked at my school and they understood everything I was saying. Every approach they came up with for me to try failed horribly, and every time I would try to tell her how I was feeling and what I thought shed say I was incorrect, it was my problem and in my head and had nothing to do with her. At some point she pushed me into therapy and I was livid, she didn?t see that it was our relationship that needed help and not what was in my head alone.
After that I never heard the end of it about my grades. It was at the point where she made me quit any and all extracurricular sports or music programs I was in.
My junior year Joe and I broke off our engagement because he was continuously cheating on me. Not only was I unattractive, a failure as a daughter and a student, but apparently a bad girlfriend as well. I had huge problems getting up in the mornings the rest of my time in high school, I had no drive to learn, to love, or to live. I had no reason to live. In my mind how could anyone ever love ore really car about me if my own mother couldn?t even on the most instinctual of levels. Love was just another word for revenge. The first time I tried to kill myself, I walked in calm as ever, kicked off my shoes, dropped my bag, grabbed the gun- no hesitation- and it was out. My friend had taken the clip from me knowing I?d been having some bad times. Needless to say I was pissed and my emotions covered the board.
My mom started getting more and more in my face about why my grades were so low and how I was messing everything up. She asked why I had ditched school and I told her ?I thought I deserved a day off since I was planning to kill myself?. Even with a statement straightforward as that she didn?t do too much to help. Mornings were getting increasingly harder to get up for. There was no point to going to school. I could make a few hundred dollars in five minutes or waste my time marinating in a class room for years. By April things were really rolling outside the house. I was at the top of my game and living it up, my brothers and I still talked at this point even though we had all moved to different parts of the state by now. Andy and I were catching up one night and I told him I was taking some pills to knock myself out for the night. He was holding back the tears but clearly worried saying ?girl, what happened to you?? I told him that I wouldn?t have all that I was planning to, I took one less. At the end of the call I remember laying on my bed watching the shadows dance on the ceiling behind the fan thinking I should turn off my bedside lamp. I went to turn it off and realized I couldn?t move at all: not my arms or my legs, nothing. I started to feel the drugs setting in and thought that if I died there no one would know, and it would be really quiet, and I wouldn?t mind at all?then I blacked out.
Mid April 2005 I was going to go out with a group of my friends to another old friend?s place to go swimming. Well, things came up and I ended up just having my old friend pick me up at my place. We watched a movie about our fav band at the time, played some video games, and talked movies and art. A cd had just recently came out and he was playing it on his pc and said that the speakers were bad and we should pop it in the stereo in his room. I was like ?word man, yeah? and we walked to his room and i was looking at the art on the walls and he put in the cd. I turned around to say something and before I knew it his hand was around my neck and I was being forced down on the bed, he raped me. Something I never thought would happen to me, not with how I carried myself outside and my reputation. He raped me and took my virginity and I was supposed to just carry on with my life. I felt like everyone could see what had happened and I couldn?t do anything to change it. I ended up telling Andy and he ?took care of it?. I was a failure at life, and now I was truly worthless in every sense of the word. I again attempted to take my life, my ex fiancé Joe was trying to calm me down. We talked until we each fell asleep.

My skin was beyond pale, and I was sweating but cold to the touch, I laid down. She watched my chest breathe few and far between breaths until she got me to stand again. We did a sorry dance because she said that I needed to get my heart going again.
After I left her place I loved my syringe with a passion stronger than anything else. It was pain and pleasure wrapped into one. I would shoot in the bathroom of wherever I was, multiple times a day and before I went to sleep. I never had to feel again. I never had to do anything again. And no one cared to stop me. I don?t remember exactly when I upgraded to heroin, I just rembmber it being cost effective; rather than using a grip of pills, it was easier to shoot heroin and get a better high and really be gone. I loved heroin, but could not tell anyone about my love. I only used a needle for about four months and the family that I cared about, Andy and all them, weren't talking to me because they know for a fact that needles change people. Andy still blames himself for everything that?s happened to me thinking that it is all his fault. He is one of the few reasons I am alive now and telling my story to help anyone who will listen.
One night in November 2005, I remember being in my moms bathroom and shooting up; but the needle was clogged and not to mention dull. It was my last one and I was not willing to use a dirty one from elsewhere. I remembered a crack head I once saw cut himself pretty deep and he shoved the stuff in there and It must have burned like hell but he really needed it. I thought that if I take my knife and cut my leg I could do the same and it?ll burn but it will be better in a little while. At that point I remember looking at my eyes in the mirror and realizing what I was doing. I put everything down and called Chuck and said ?Chuck, I've got a problem? and told him the whole story. He and some other friends picked me up and we got rid of all the junk and I started making supported efforts to get straight.
I dropped out of high school that following December. I remember telling my mother I used to pop pills, I used to be a junkie, I tried to kill myself, I sold drugs and weapons, I was raped, I told her everything.. and she heard me for once, but only for a moment. She cried for a minute or two, then it was like it never happened. I was done with her. All the signs had been there, and I had even tried to talk to her, she knew all the pills
I have been clean for a year, and am in college now. Im majoring in fine arts and naturopathic medicine. Everyday is still a struggle, and there are still nightmares and feelings of withdrawl even to this day. im not sure when itll all stop, but im staying straight.
at this point i am seriously considering seeing my doctor for depression since it has not lifted.
this winter my boyfriend and i are going to quit smoking ciggs as well.
I hope you understand my request for not using the material we shoot.

stickyfingerz

Just send her back this picture.




You had your own time, used your equipment, paid her the fee, have time in editing touchups etc.

Tough titty said the kitty, and the cow said MOO!!!.

cardinalvices

Well have her pay you for your work at least. But probably return her pictures to her.. Its more polite. Although this is business, and she is a grown woman.

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who

Why the fucking life story? Tell her the material is already sold, and it's out of your hands, but the Good Lord forgives her.

Persignup Qon

its not "her" work... its your work. i don't even have to read that shit. sign, sealed, delivered, STEP.

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Twisted Dave

Take your moral stand and decide for yourself what you want to do ...

You met this girl ... you could probably tell if what she is saying is true ... if you feel that you don't want to ruin a young girl's life even more than it is ... drop the files you shot.

If you want to make cash and don't give a shit, use the stuff.

Personally, I think I'd take the first option. People are more important than business to me. And I'm still making my company a success. So I don't think that being nice AND a good business are mutually exclusive ... I think you can have both.

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selena

Holy Hannah!

I can't believe she expected someone to read all that.

Personally, I'd decline her request, unless it is unused thus far and she is prepared to compensate you for it.

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pornguy

I put into the contract, that if they want to buy total rights to the photos back at any date, they can. 5K for the rights, and I will stop selling them. But what is sold, is sold.

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It amazes me how so many people are quick to jump and say "tough... money matters more" in one way or another. I couldn't sleep at night knowing I'd fucking helped to destroy a girl's life....

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goldmine

I think you should return her pics, but she MUST give the money back. If she cant, give her a coule of weeks to raise the money to buy her own contents. If not... no choice she signed the model release... you must cover your expenses as well.

spazlabz

she signed the contract/model release? then she took responsibility for her own actions. It sounds like the girl is learning that there are consequences for the decisions she made good and bad and she has to live with them

you handled your business as a business and she is just going to have to deal with the fact that she made a decision that she regrets. she should have learned that the world will not bend to her requests.


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interracialtoons

Tell her to pay you back every dime you spent with interest, plus charge her a photography fee since your worked that day too.

Otherwise, fuck it.

Unless you only paid her $50 for the shoot then you get what you paid for which is headaches so just send the pics and forget it.

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is she hot? i need a hot psyco chick with a meth problem to do some light housework and cock cleaning. ill buy the set and she can work it off for me ;p

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give them back, with compensation if you want to make up the loss.

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stickyfingerz

You must not of dealt with many models is all. Models that do porn tend to be a bit flakey or have problems anyways in many cases. Other models just have a good head on their shoulders and know exactly what they are doing and do it in order to get ahead in life. There tend to be more that are on the flake side though. No one forces them to do a shoot. No guns are put to their heads. Why should the photographer/videographer be punished cause someone changes their mind at a later time. This happens VERY often. Its not that we dont feel bad etc, but it is business.

wyldblyss

Well, I read it all...I have no idea why, wasn't that amusing. So basically what she is saying is "everything is my moms fault for not listening to me, all the drugs, dropping out of school, selling weapons" so she wants you to make it all better by just giving her back the content.

Honestly, she is still blaming people for her own fuck-ups. And she believes that everyone should feel sorry for her and help her. I think it is about time she stopped putting the blame on others and realised she has no one to blame but herself and she has to learn to live with the things she has done in life.

If you have sold the content to others, then just tell her, sorry, there is nothing I can do, it has been sold and it is out of my hands. If the content is only in your hands tell her that if she has matured and wants to accept responsibility for her actions, ,then she needs to pay you for the content. This includes every cent you paid her, as well as your time and expenses. Do NOT give her a deal. She wrote that entire long winded ultra boring fairy tale to make you feel sorry for her and just give it back to her. That is honestly the LAST thing she needs. She needs people to make her behave as an adult and to fix her problems, not cry a sad story and have other people fix it.

wyldblyss

Well, I read it all...I have no idea why, wasn't that amusing. So basically what she is saying is "everything is my moms fault for not listening to me, all the drugs, dropping out of school, selling weapons" so she wants you to make it all better by just giving her back the content.

Honestly, she is still blaming people for her own fuck-ups. And she believes that everyone should feel sorry for her and help her. I think it is about time she stopped putting the blame on others and realised she has no one to blame but herself and she has to learn to live with the things she has done in life.

If you have sold the content to others, then just tell her, sorry, there is nothing I can do, it has been sold and it is out of my hands. If the content is only in your hands tell her that if she has matured and wants to accept responsibility for her actions, ,then she needs to pay you for the content. This includes every cent you paid her, as well as your time and expenses. Do NOT give her a deal. She wrote that entire long winded ultra boring fairy tale to make you feel sorry for her and just give it back to her. That is honestly the LAST thing she needs. She needs people to make her behave as an adult and to fix her problems, not cry a sad story and have other people fix it.

vidvicious

LOL @ stickyfingers ..

the fact that you needed to write up such a long post already tells me she's got your balls in a bunch .. LOL

Simply put if you did your job right, then no court in the land will grant her what she's asking for ... If you didn't do your job right .. you'd be typing up a post about it on GFY ... LOL


K fun aside. Did you go thru a comprehensive interview process? If this is a regular occurance with your current bussiness model, have you taken extra precautions by video taping the Interview and release process? Lastly did several days go by between the interview (casting) process, the actual shoot date, and the release date of the pics/video? if so, did the procedure allow the model to cancel at any time ?

If you followed these simple rules .. you gots nothing to worry about. you did your job right ... I got a biker BF, bringing me $3000 to buy back a single solo day shoot for his girlfriend, who now decided (over 2 months after the fact) that she did the wrong thing.

sorry charly only good tasting tuna gets to be starkist !

Fact, she knew what she was getting into, she had serveral days to change her mind, she was givin amble explations as to how the day would develope .. and lastly ... Several months went by since the shoot. and only becuase her current boyfrind doesn't agree with what she did, does not give her the right to break a contract .. nor does it to him .. we Felt that 3000 $ did not cover the expenses of the day, the expensive of the post production procedure nor does it cover the present and future earnings that photoset can be attributed too .... Simple .. if you don't like it, call a lawyer ... we'll see you in court

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pics pics pics!

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wow, first time it double posted on me haha

zandre

everybody is responsible for himself in real life...
i would not write more cause all has been said already in this thread (look for wyldblyss reply) - i completely aggree with that

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stickyfingerz

Exactly Vid. We do a on camera interview and record them as they present their id and as they sign the release etc. We dont give that to the customer but we keep it archived on tape and captured to video and placed on a dvd to protect our own asses. Its not IF you have a model flake, its WHEN!.

Nysus

Figure out the value of the pictures to you and offer to sell her back the exclusive rights. You could say the value is base cost, you could calculate your time and resources used and already put into processing the content, could include how much you would have made if you had been able to shoot another model instead of her, etc..

It all depends on the situation that you only knoiw all specifics about.

Would you feel even slightly bad if you used the content? If so, then figure out what the minimum you can sell it to her for.

That's all, simple.

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jryan89

ya... you wrote in the contract that if she wants them back, she is going to have 2 pay $5K.

Make her pay the $5K. You can't be worrying about these flaky bitches all of your life...

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Stickyfingers is correct in getting that video. Models will flake. The only thing that is certain about models is that there is uncertainty.

However, if the stuff you shot of this girl is still unused, and it's not been sold/distributed, etc. Then I see no problem with selling her the content at a reasonable cost for you to recoup the loss of your time. No reason to cause her any addition bad feelings about posing (or banging a donkey, or whatever she did)

On the other hand, if it's already out then I would tell her you're sorry you can't help her because it's already out of your hands.

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sweetpurple04

story's too long man!

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beemk

you should NEVER become a photographer then. we're in this business to make money. i do think that before she shoots you should be honest with her and tell her that her friends might find it though. if a photographer tells her no one will find it and talks her into it i think thats wrong.

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beemk

yeah trust her to get the $, if this girl was responsible in the first place she wouldnt be in this scenario. you cant do that anyway or they can call it extortion.

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niche25

LOL!!!! WOW. Tell her you'll sell it to her for either what you would make off of them or your expense. But you have to tell her in a 30 page letter starting with your life story...

GAY!!!!

CDSmith

My first thoughts on reading that long-winded glut of nonsense from her is this:

If she wants her "work" back, (I assume that means all photographic materials you shot with her) then tell her she can have it all, as long as she refunds you the money you paid her. Fair is fair, you wouldn't pay a model and then not shoot anything, would you? No. So if she wants what amounts to a full refund then she needs to also refund the cash she was paid. Period.

That's the hardline stance.

The softie stance is to just give in and let her go scott-free, and let her keep the money you paid her. Take comfort in the fact that you "did the right thing".

The other thing I thought was that this girl was and is a mess to begin with. You're probably better off without a mess like her and it may be worth the price of the shoot (or shoots, I don't know how much shooting you did with her) just to be rid of her.


Seriously, I think I would be very tempted to tell her "Your wish is granted, kindly refund me the shoot money I paid you."

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tough call. i have never been a person who felt bad regarding business conducted. back in the day i shot content as well and had more calls then i would ever want regarding wanting to stop the content from going public.

as most said here, i would explain to these girls that this is a business and that i would not have a problem letting them buy back the content (as long as it wasn't used or sold at that point) as long as it was paid in full plus my expense for shooting.

of course they would try to counter with some crap or another excuse and my bottom line answer would be, you can pay XX amount within 30 days or the offer will be withdrawn. this is a business, you're an adult (meaning the girl) and now it's time to conduct business properly (as was done during the shoot - or so i thought).

over the course of all those years, i had one girl come up with the money to buy back her content.

this is a business and should be treated as such. if she did not think this through before she took her clothes off then that is her problem and she should be mature enough to deal with the outcome - whatever it may be.

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Is Wal-mart extorting you when they ask that you return the item before they will give you a refund? No retailer in their right mind would give anyone a refund without having the item in question returned as well, would they?

The roles are somewhat reversed in this case but I believe the principles to be the same. She wants to take back her service (modelling), he paid money for said service. How is it extortion to ask that the money that was paid be returned before surrendering the material?

Letting these girls off the hook and allowing them to trot off with cash still in hand sets a bad precedent. I'm not saying ruin her life, I'm saying that the one thing this type of girl needs to learn is responsibility and taking responsibility for her actions, and one way to reinforce that concept is to have her give back her end of the bargain.

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Phil

"Im majoring in fine arts and naturopathic medicine"

Tell her that she'll be back in porn unless she changes her major NOW !!!!

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Lazonby

Tell her that someone called Donny is going to show the pictures to all her family, friends and co-workers and giver her his address.

GhazAllOva

Like others, I'd give it back if you can cover your expense.

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I would just ignore her... thats the biggest piece of junk e-mail I ever started to read

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It sounds like the content should be the least of her worries...

You have to make up your own mind, you have met the person and can only judge from your perspective.

With that being said, I have myself a few times agreed with a model not to release their content. Why ? It just bad karma.. what difference does it do to me that i spent a couple hundred $$ or a thousand..and a day shooting. Money is easily made in this business so let it go if you feel bad for her. think of it as a tax deductible charity donation..and move on to the next model who is happy to be in the business..

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i'd say sell it back

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JMM

She has given you two clues in that email why you should let her buy the rights at your cost.

1. She used to deal in guns. I assume she knows where you live and work.

2. She is nuts. She will find a lawyer and tell that same story. She walks into court and tells that story in front of a jury and you are screwed.

jonesy

the classic "i had a fucked up life, im getting straight now and i made a mistake" letter.

do what puts your conscience at ease.

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96ukssob

christ thats a long as email.

personally, i would feel kind of bad, but then have a few drinks and say fuck it. she signed the contract with you and is now trying to back out, thats to bad. I would tell her to give you $XX,XXX for the content back and to annual the agreement because that is your estimated revenue from the project.

its called TO BAD!

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