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Fizzgig · 06-25-2005, 07:14 PM

150 starving newbies!

Movie change isn't bad for an hour a day.

A really dedicated beginner could do a lot better.

Basic_man · 06-25-2005, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

ok, i'm in. I consider myself inexperienced. We'll compare my lifestyle today with what my new income in 2 months under your guidance can bring starting from scratch.

Get the fuck out of this thread..

Tala · 06-25-2005, 07:30 PM

Okay, I got three newbies, only two told me who they are. Work with me here.

kektex · 06-25-2005, 07:33 PM

Tala, I signed up for the yahoo group under kektex2005...

2HousePlague · 06-25-2005, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basic_man

Get the fuck out of this thread..

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

-- all I would say to those who come to post is "bring your best" -- let's make this something to be proud of.

2HP

Tala · 06-25-2005, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex

Tala, I signed up for the yahoo group under kektex2005...

Okay sweetie, you're the one I didn't recognize. Thanks.

kektex · 06-25-2005, 07:37 PM

Hey 2HP I was just reading your interview thread (excellent BTW) and was surprised to read you´ve been to Venezuela...which is where I´m writing this from!
How did you end up down here?

Tala · 06-25-2005, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

2HP

Whoa. That thing scares me. You gonna sign up for the Yahoo group, Teach?

AmigoPorn · 06-25-2005, 08:17 PM

I signed up for the yahoo group under amigoporn69.

2HousePlague · 06-25-2005, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex

Hey 2HP I was just reading your interview thread (excellent BTW) and was surprised to read you´ve been to Venezuela...which is where I´m writing this from!
How did you end up down here?

I was working for IBM at the time -- early 1998 -- on the Java software marketing team. IBM was holding its annual briefing for the Latin American press in Venezuela that year -- Lima was cancelled as the original location, for reasons of political instability.

I was the only person on the team who speaks Spanish, so I got to go --

-- I remember the location was a resort on the coast about 45 minutes by small plane from Caracas -- but can't remember the name...

2HP

Tala · 06-25-2005, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigoPorn

I signed up for the yahoo group under amigoporn69.

I don't see it. I'll check again soon.

Mr. Pat · 06-25-2005, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

I'll be playing it by ear with each person, assessing strengths, if they can write a line of code, etc -- it will depend what each brings to the table and the level of energy they put into it -- it should be fun --

The point I'm trying to make is this -- as an industry, we need to build goodwill and "bridges" of all sorts. Whether we like it or not, there are people outside our "little circle" looking in with interest and curiosity at what we do and how we do it. There are also people looking in with rather less friendly designs on us. I'm hoping to show that we're organized enough in what we do to convey those things to someone who's coming in at close to zero. I'd like to show that the dark-expertise and "secrets" I know some folks like to pretend aren't learned but are called upon during satanic-SEO masses in the middle night, really aren't and actually can be. I guess maybe I'd like to turn out a few people who, even if they never end up working in Adult, might have good things to say -- maybe years down the road, if somebody asked them what they think about what we do. My point is to do a little demystification --

2HP

this is very admirable of you. just what we need. give the industry a better look while helping people to succeed.

Burridge · 06-25-2005, 09:02 PM

I'm a newb tooo

i want help toooooooooooooo

I'm a nice 19 year old boy from new york. I'm a musician with no major responsibilities like work or school. I'm eager and have time, money and patience to learn the ropes from a succesful webmaster. I like pencils and my eyes are blue.

If you wanna be my webmaster mentor drop me a line.

[email protected]

Tala · 06-25-2005, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burridge

I'm a newb tooo

i want help toooooooooooooo

I'm a nice 19 year old boy from new york. I'm a musician with no major responsibilities like work or school. I'm eager and have time, money and patience to learn the ropes from a succesful webmaster. I like pencils and my eyes are blue.

If you wanna be my webmaster mentor drop me a line.

[email protected]

Join the yahoo group and read, learn, put into practice.

seeric · 06-25-2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

Cynicism, when it is motivated by a desire for truth is a healthy, essential thing. But before I scan my 1040 from 2004 and paste it here, I want remind every one that the scale of this "project" has far eclipsed anything I could have had in mind this morning.

The truth is, this IS a place where opportunism and meanness too often rear their heads. The noobs who seldom post and who, for the most part, don't dare to enter into threads filled with "people" they don't know, whose aims are (even to me, still) indecipherable -- I THINK robs this -- amazing, one of a kind in the history of everything EVER -- place of a value it contains. When I first appeared on GFY, I did what many of you still do, I watched and paid attention, and when I had worked up the courage -- I BECAME 2HousePlague here.

For a long time, I have lamented what seemed a wasteful use of such an incredible resource, but have accepted that GFY, like any "society", is made rich by the diversity of its voices -- it turns out now that I have received (that GFY has received) the opportunity to do something that has not been done before. Again, I did not premeditate this, I swear -- but here it is, and we MUST (all of us) see where it can go.

A few clarifications, I'm not a millionaire -- but I am working on it every day and night. Anyone interested in the particulars of my business, is free to ask, here or anywher else. I would rather have those discussions other than on this thread, only because it could be interpreted as a taint of self-promotion on something that I'd like to keep free of that -- at least my own self-promotion.

There is no single "project" I am recruiting anyone for -- I should make it clear that I am NOT hiring -- LOL. However, I feel generosity and gratitude to GFY, without which none of us would be here -- certainly not me.

What I would love to see happen is that this thread becomes a place where a commitment has been made by all who enter here to bring their best -- in the form of both questions and answers. I think it's a tragedy that the best ideas for being single-threaders fall away into the oblivion at the bottom of this page. Here, for the first time I can remember we have a chance to build something of value and to have it all reside conveniently, bookmarkably in ONE PLACE.

My role in this is an accident, but my commitment (if you will share it with me) is sincere and passionate. If you'd like to see who the man is on the soapbox take advantage of the Search tool, while it works -- I have been often absurd and irreverent, and silly -- this is also a place of Play -- but, very consistently in all my "serious threads" I have been a champion of openness and sharing -- something I think we have a problem with as an industry.

Come to this thread to meet people you don't know, to listen to me and ANYONE else who wishes to say something -- all I would say to those who come to post is "bring your best" -- let's make this something to be proud of. Our business achievements in this industry are staggering. Here is an opportunity for Adult to take pride in itself a bit -- how better to do that than in the sprit of self-less sharing, in an educational context?

What I think is dusturbing some people who don't know me, and who have (just as I asked) brought thoughtful questions to the dialogue is the fact that this sort of thing is ALWAYS a scam of some sort. They are right to wonder and ask. This does look too good to be true. But, today, of all days, when for the very first time in a long-time, there is good news and optimism in the air -- TODAY -- let us leave some of the past behind, and come again to our home GFY, as if for the first time.

I promise to all of you, and to Lensman, to do here in this thread what is has for SO LONG been my desire to do somewhere in some way for our amazing BIZ, put it in an impeccable light.

Please...

2HP

don't forget the n00bs that don't think they are n00bs. several on here don't make anything,but contantly live a false premise. those are the ones that you can really help.

you're a good guy, they should listen to you.

Tala · 06-25-2005, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

don't forget the n00bs that don't think they are n00bs. several on here don't make anything,but contantly live a false premise. those are the ones that you can really help.

you're a good guy, they should listen to you.

STFU n00b.

Burridge · 06-25-2005, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala

Join the yahoo group and read, learn, put into practice.

thank you dear, if you're around can you give me a link?

Tala · 06-25-2005, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burridge

thank you dear, if you're around can you give me a link?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/

selena · 06-25-2005, 09:39 PM

Tala...

I joined the group. I assume it used my yahoo login, which is crystallineclarity.

Thanks, babe!

selena · 06-25-2005, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selena

Tala...

I joined the group. I assume it used my yahoo login, which is crystallineclarity.

Thanks, babe!

Forget this post, Tala. I acted before I read. I created a new profile so it would be close to my gfy name. So I am re-joining as selenak1961.

Sorry for the ditzyness on my part.

nofx · 06-25-2005, 10:01 PM

great thread

Nightwind · 06-25-2005, 10:03 PM

I just woke up so i havent' been able to do any forum related stuff, apparently well be using the forum, so everyone go signup here: http://forum.teentropic.com - I added some new categories and if there is a particular skin you would like for the forum go here: http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/catdb.php?db=2 - You can drop a line in the suggestions category if you like something you see there.

seeric · 06-25-2005, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala

STFU n00b.

i wish. lol. pain is in the tenure of being exposed to this for so long. lol.

Funky Bastard · 06-25-2005, 10:19 PM

To many people now looks like I wont get any help! Good Luck guys.

2HousePlague · 06-25-2005, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

To many people now looks like I wont get any help! Good Luck guys.

You want my cell phone number -- ? --

2HP

Nightwind · 06-25-2005, 10:34 PM

Don't forget to signup at the forums 2HP, after all it's named after you.

Funky Bastard · 06-25-2005, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

You want my cell phone number -- ? --

2HP

Thats what carleton sheets asked me!

2HousePlague · 06-25-2005, 11:10 PM

REMINDER:

Tonight's discussion will be...

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer

I am also very pleased to announce a Special Guest Discussion for Tuesday June 28th -- "SEO Traffic Acquisition Basics" by goodgirl*

*(goodgirl - Director of Internet Marketing at Got Web Host is a full time SEO, with seven years experience building and designing successful websites. Her vast knowledge in SEO/SEM helps make Got Web Host the valuable resource it is today.

2HP

Nightwind · 06-25-2005, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

REMINDER:

Tonight's discussion will be...

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer

I am also very pleased to announce a Special Guest Discussion for Tuesday June 28th -- "SEO Traffic Acquisition Basics" by goodgirl*

*(goodgirl - Director of Internet Marketing at Got Web Host is a full time SEO, with seven years experience building and designing successful websites. Her vast knowledge in SEO/SEM helps make Got Web Host the valuable resource it is today.

2HP

Sounds great, exactly what i could use some help with.

Deej · 06-25-2005, 11:47 PM

...taking notes...

2HousePlague · 06-26-2005, 01:15 AM

"The world can be seen as only connections, nothing else? A piece of information is really only defined by what it?s related to, and how it?s related. There really is little else to meaning. The structure is everything." -- Tim Berners-Lee

"Less is more." -- Ludwig Mies van der Rohe

"I am not an effective manager of my time." -- Jack Mardack*

*(Sorry for the delay)

2HP

Zester · 06-26-2005, 02:07 AM

Tala, I've created a new yahoo ID and signed up as "zester_zester" - please approve.

Nightwind, I signed up to forum.teentropic.com as well.

Nightwind · 06-26-2005, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zester

Tala, I've created a new yahoo ID and signed up as "zester_zester" - please approve.

Nightwind, I signed up to forum.teentropic.com as well.

Nice, hopefully the rest will follow.

Evil Doer · 06-26-2005, 03:53 AM

awesome thread, very nice of 2HousePlague!

DrunkEric · 06-26-2005, 08:12 AM

signed up as drunkeric2, sounds like an great chance to learn some more

2HousePlague · 06-26-2005, 08:36 AM

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer

My fondness for the Adult Biz is great ? else, why do THIS, HERE. But I am often left scratching my head when I consider some of its pervasive practices.

The object of this discussion is to acquaint readers with Web Site Design Basics. It is written, ostensibly, for the Noob (the Impoverished Noob, to be precise), but I don?t think I?d mind it if a few established, well-paid creators of Adult Web Sites marked some of the points I intend to cover.

Success is hard to argue with ? but I?m gonna try anyway. As we all know, there?s a lot of money made here in Adult ? and certainly, that success owes to great ingenuity, great talent, and an understanding of certain aspects of the Medium found nowhere else. But, I think that Pornography on the Web was so IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE FAIL, that many GOOD practices and SOUND principles from the non-Adult commercial Web were never learned ? because they never had to be. Site Design is, in my opinion, one of those areas where we could do better.

I can already anticipate the indignant cries of ?What the fuck are you talking about, man ? I gets PAID!? ? but, to reiterate, I am not saying money isn?t being made. What I?m saying is that most of the site designs I see out there could do even better, if their designers took into account a few well-tested ideas that they might not have heard of. Specifically, I want to review some of the principles of Usability and Information Architecture ? even a little Visual Design, in those ways where VD for the Web departs meaningfully from the norms of VD for print.

First a definition:

Information Architecture

The organization, labeling, and navigation schemes within an information system.

The structural design of an information space to facilitate task completion and intuitive access to content.

This definition of IA is broader than IA for the Web, because the science of IA predates the Web. Before anyone had ever surfed or even pushed a mouse, Information Architects were concerning themselves with the challenges of joining many types of Information Consumers with Information Caches.

At the most basic (earliest) end of the IA spectrum, consider a book. Today, we couldn?t fathom holding a book in our hands that didn?t have a table of contents and numbered pages. But these are innovations that came much after the basic fact of words printed on a page.

As our ?systems? for information ?storage? and ?retrieval? became more complex, so did the science of IA evolve to incorporate new ?technologies? as they emerged. I deliberately placed the terms ?system?, ?storage?, ?retrieval? and ?technology? in quotes, because I expect most people using or reading those terms today associate them with IT and the computer age. And, even though the expression Information Architecture wasn?t coined until 1976, the science of IA ? by any other name ? is ancient and evident in applications as diverse as urban planning, human resources (staffing), and was the core of the reverse engineering strategy that cracked DNA?s ?filing system?.

This is about the point where I usually apologize for my long-windedness. But it?s also where I provide you with a context for a dump of information that may seem little related to the subject at hand. I?m sorry ? it?s what I do -- lol. I have found that by backing as far away from the Applied Specifics of an idea as you can, you can gain a grasp of it that will allow you to take that idea places no one ever expected.

And now, the abstractions made concrete. In the context of Web Sites, Information Architecture is?

(cont?d. shortly)

2HP

psili · 06-26-2005, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala

Just posted it to the yahoo group

For those interested, the group is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/

Just joined Tala. My yahoo nick (psililisp) is a bit longer than my gfy nick, so just palindrome the GFY nick for the yahoo group if ya need to know who I am.

Thanks for hooking up that group, BTW.

Cheers

Raven · 06-26-2005, 09:34 AM

I will be in the back of the room, watching with great interest and learning, too.

selena · 06-26-2005, 09:38 AM

~listens, chewing lightly on pencil eraser~

Tala · 06-26-2005, 09:55 AM

I got the new 10 who joined last night.

Glad to have you all.

Posting the lesson now.

2Pac · 06-26-2005, 09:56 AM

2pac aka al_carrerra just signed on yahoo group

Meorazhar · 06-26-2005, 10:04 AM

I just signed on yahoo group with Me0razhar nick
notice it is "zero" instead of "o"

psili · 06-26-2005, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala

I got the new 10 who joined last night.

Glad to have you all.

Posting the lesson now.

I'm retarded.

What are the guidelines for following group discussions? Do we reply with our thoughts? Sit back, relax and read? Basically, I've never done the "yahoo group" thing and am just wondering on the "proper etiquette"

Nightwind · 06-26-2005, 10:14 AM

Tala, you might want to send out the url to the forum in one of the newsletters. Here is the url again if someone missed it: http://forum.teentropic.com

Tala · 06-26-2005, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

I'm retarded.

What are the guidelines for following group discussions? Do we reply with our thoughts? Sit back, relax and read? Basically, I've never done the "yahoo group" thing and am just wondering on the "proper etiquette"

The group can be used for discussion, (although there's a link to the message board for that), and each daily lesson is being posted there to send out to everyone on the list as a mailing group. Use whatever tools you can on the group to learn, as long as you're learning, that's what the tools are there for!

Just no flaming or completely asinine posting, and you're fine. Post, read, learn and let's make some money!

Tala · 06-26-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightwind

Tala, you might want to send out the url to the forum in one of the newsletters. Here is the url again if someone missed it: http://forum.teentropic.com

Done.

Now stop changing the damn forum skin. I love the one you have on it now.

NTSS · 06-26-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

very typical.. 3 days from now this 'project' has died..

Advantage; it did educate those noobs the most important lesson of this industry.. people are flaky ;)

Oh really?

Nightwind · 06-26-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tala

Done.

Now stop changing the damn forum skin. I love the one you have on it now.

Thanks, i left it on and adjusted it to be a bit more easy on the eyes now.

2HousePlague · 06-26-2005, 11:26 AM

Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer -- cont'd.

In the context of Web Sites, the contribution of Information Architecture is simply the links and pages and the relationships between them.

Though, on paper, IA work reduces to a site map...

...all of the value (and difficulty) of good IA comes comes from:

Understanding how and why human beings do the things they do (yes psychology),

An instinct for making ?pathways of purpose? for online Users (more on that later), and

A knack for compelling action.

At this point, it makes sense to drop in another definition:

Usability

The "effectiveness, efficiency and satisfaction with which a specified set of users can achieve a specified set of tasks in a particular environment."

In Web Site design, Usability and IA are inseparable ? though some folks will tell you it?s possible for good IA to stand alone, I have seen so much good IA fucked into worthlessness because the Usability was bad. This usually happens when programmers, who much more readily ?get? IA than Usability, have created a sound architecture, but not had the good sense to let a good Usability or Human Factors person take it from there.

Although there are many kinds of Web Site, which is to say there are many different purposes for which Web Sites are designed, since our aim as industry is to make sales happen, we?ll focus on e-commerce sites.

For clarification, e-commerce means to sell on the Web ? it?s a broad category that includes many forms of fulfillment ? but the commonality is that the ?deal is closed? online. There are a couple of models where that?s the case without a CC (or other method of electronic payment) having been debited, but they don?t concern this discussion.

On the Web, ?where? EQUALS ?how?

Do you think Tiffany?s would build a store on this "road"...

(cont'd shortly)

2HP

Tala · 06-26-2005, 11:30 AM

*adds this to the group*

06-25-2005, 07:14 PM	#151
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	150 starving newbies! Movie change isn't bad for an hour a day. A really dedicated beginner could do a lot better. __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

06-25-2005, 07:30 PM	#153
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	Okay, I got three newbies, only two told me who they are. Work with me here. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

06-25-2005, 07:33 PM	#154
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	Tala, I signed up for the yahoo group under kektex2005... __________________ exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!

06-25-2005, 07:37 PM	#157
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	Hey 2HP I was just reading your interview thread (excellent BTW) and was surprised to read you´ve been to Venezuela...which is where I´m writing this from! How did you end up down here? __________________ exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!

06-25-2005, 08:17 PM	#159
AmigoPorn Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mexico - So far away from god, so close to the United States Posts: 21,583	I signed up for the yahoo group under amigoporn69. __________________ ICQ: 267899523

06-25-2005, 09:02 PM	#163
Burridge Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York City Posts: 1,186	I'm a newb tooo i want help toooooooooooooo I'm a nice 19 year old boy from new york. I'm a musician with no major responsibilities like work or school. I'm eager and have time, money and patience to learn the ropes from a succesful webmaster. I like pencils and my eyes are blue. If you wanna be my webmaster mentor drop me a line. [email protected]

06-25-2005, 09:39 PM	#169
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	Tala... I joined the group. I assume it used my yahoo login, which is crystallineclarity. Thanks, babe! __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

06-25-2005, 10:01 PM	#171
nofx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Virgin Mary's womb Posts: 16,826	great thread __________________ Often times I wonder why There's love and hate, theres live or die. When sickness comes I must decide: When feelings go, theres suicide.

06-25-2005, 10:03 PM	#172
Nightwind Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: ICQ: 303-282-636 Posts: 4,786	I just woke up so i havent' been able to do any forum related stuff, apparently well be using the forum, so everyone go signup here: http://forum.teentropic.com - I added some new categories and if there is a particular skin you would like for the forum go here: http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/catdb.php?db=2 - You can drop a line in the suggestions category if you like something you see there. __________________

06-25-2005, 10:19 PM	#174
Funky Bastard So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 2,544	To many people now looks like I wont get any help! Good Luck guys.

06-25-2005, 10:34 PM	#176
Nightwind Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: ICQ: 303-282-636 Posts: 4,786	Don't forget to signup at the forums 2HP, after all it's named after you. __________________

06-25-2005, 11:10 PM	#178
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	REMINDER: Tonight's discussion will be... Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer I am also very pleased to announce a Special Guest Discussion for Tuesday June 28th -- "SEO Traffic Acquisition Basics" by goodgirl* (goodgirl - Director of Internet Marketing at Got Web Host is a full time SEO, with seven years experience building and designing successful websites. Her vast knowledge in SEO/SEM helps make Got Web Host the valuable resource it is today. 2HP* __________________ tada!

06-25-2005, 11:47 PM	#180
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06-26-2005, 01:15 AM	#181
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	"The world can be seen as only connections, nothing else? A piece of information is really only defined by what it?s related to, and how it?s related. There really is little else to meaning. The structure is everything." -- Tim Berners-Lee "Less is more." -- Ludwig Mies van der Rohe "I am not an effective manager of my time." -- Jack Mardack* (Sorry for the delay) 2HP* __________________ tada!

06-26-2005, 02:07 AM	#182
Zester Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,344	Tala, I've created a new yahoo ID and signed up as "zester_zester" - please approve. Nightwind, I signed up to forum.teentropic.com as well. __________________ * Mainstream ? $65 per sale * new male contraception Last edited by Zester; 06-26-2005 at 02:09 AM..

06-26-2005, 03:53 AM	#184
Evil Doer Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: ICQ: 251-911-362 Posts: 915	awesome thread, very nice of 2HousePlague!

06-26-2005, 08:12 AM	#185
DrunkEric Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Allentown PA Posts: 154	signed up as drunkeric2, sounds like an great chance to learn some more

06-26-2005, 08:36 AM	#186
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer My fondness for the Adult Biz is great ? else, why do THIS, HERE. But I am often left scratching my head when I consider some of its pervasive practices. The object of this discussion is to acquaint readers with Web Site Design Basics. It is written, ostensibly, for the Noob (the Impoverished Noob, to be precise), but I don?t think I?d mind it if a few established, well-paid creators of Adult Web Sites marked some of the points I intend to cover. Success is hard to argue with ? but I?m gonna try anyway. As we all know, there?s a lot of money made here in Adult ? and certainly, that success owes to great ingenuity, great talent, and an understanding of certain aspects of the Medium found nowhere else. But, I think that Pornography on the Web was so IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE FAIL, that many GOOD practices and SOUND principles from the non-Adult commercial Web were never learned ? because they never had to be. Site Design is, in my opinion, one of those areas where we could do better. I can already anticipate the indignant cries of ?What the fuck are you talking about, man ? I gets PAID!? ? but, to reiterate, I am not saying money isn?t being made. What I?m saying is that most of the site designs I see out there could do even better, if their designers took into account a few well-tested ideas that they might not have heard of. Specifically, I want to review some of the principles of Usability and Information Architecture ? even a little Visual Design, in those ways where VD for the Web departs meaningfully from the norms of VD for print. First a definition: Information Architecture The organization, labeling, and navigation schemes within an information system. The structural design of an information space to facilitate task completion and intuitive access to content. This definition of IA is broader than IA for the Web, because the science of IA predates the Web. Before anyone had ever surfed or even pushed a mouse, Information Architects were concerning themselves with the challenges of joining many types of Information Consumers with Information Caches. At the most basic (earliest) end of the IA spectrum, consider a book. Today, we couldn?t fathom holding a book in our hands that didn?t have a table of contents and numbered pages. But these are innovations that came much after the basic fact of words printed on a page. As our ?systems? for information ?storage? and ?retrieval? became more complex, so did the science of IA evolve to incorporate new ?technologies? as they emerged. I deliberately placed the terms ?system?, ?storage?, ?retrieval? and ?technology? in quotes, because I expect most people using or reading those terms today associate them with IT and the computer age. And, even though the expression Information Architecture wasn?t coined until 1976, the science of IA ? by any other name ? is ancient and evident in applications as diverse as urban planning, human resources (staffing), and was the core of the reverse engineering strategy that cracked DNA?s ?filing system?. This is about the point where I usually apologize for my long-windedness. But it?s also where I provide you with a context for a dump of information that may seem little related to the subject at hand. I?m sorry ? it?s what I do -- lol. I have found that by backing as far away from the Applied Specifics of an idea as you can, you can gain a grasp of it that will allow you to take that idea places no one ever expected. And now, the abstractions made concrete. In the context of Web Sites, Information Architecture is? (cont?d. shortly) 2HP __________________ tada!

06-26-2005, 09:34 AM	#188
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	I will be in the back of the room, watching with great interest and learning, too. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

06-26-2005, 09:38 AM	#189
selena Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On The Edge Posts: 7,994	~listens, chewing lightly on pencil eraser~ __________________ ~ Doer of Things at MetArtMoney Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art ~The MetArt Network ~ selena.delgado9

06-26-2005, 09:55 AM	#190
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	I got the new 10 who joined last night. Glad to have you all. Posting the lesson now. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

06-26-2005, 09:56 AM	#191
2Pac Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 110	2pac aka al_carrerra just signed on yahoo group

06-26-2005, 10:04 AM	#192
Meorazhar Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: ICQ: 5262689 Posts: 672	I just signed on yahoo group with Me0razhar nick notice it is "zero" instead of "o" Last edited by Meorazhar; 06-26-2005 at 10:06 AM..

06-26-2005, 10:14 AM	#194
Nightwind Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: ICQ: 303-282-636 Posts: 4,786	Tala, you might want to send out the url to the forum in one of the newsletters. Here is the url again if someone missed it: http://forum.teentropic.com __________________

06-26-2005, 11:26 AM	#199
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	Web Site Design Principles -- A visual design & architecture primer -- cont'd. In the context of Web Sites, the contribution of Information Architecture is simply the links and pages and the relationships between them. Though, on paper, IA work reduces to a site map... ...all of the value (and difficulty) of good IA comes comes from: Understanding how and why human beings do the things they do (yes psychology), An instinct for making ?pathways of purpose? for online Users (more on that later), and A knack for compelling action. At this point, it makes sense to drop in another definition: Usability The "effectiveness, efficiency and satisfaction with which a specified set of users can achieve a specified set of tasks in a particular environment." In Web Site design, Usability and IA are inseparable ? though some folks will tell you it?s possible for good IA to stand alone, I have seen so much good IA fucked into worthlessness because the Usability was bad. This usually happens when programmers, who much more readily ?get? IA than Usability, have created a sound architecture, but not had the good sense to let a good Usability or Human Factors person take it from there. Although there are many kinds of Web Site, which is to say there are many different purposes for which Web Sites are designed, since our aim as industry is to make sales happen, we?ll focus on e-commerce sites. For clarification, e-commerce means to sell on the Web ? it?s a broad category that includes many forms of fulfillment ? but the commonality is that the ?deal is closed? online. There are a couple of models where that?s the case without a CC (or other method of electronic payment) having been debited, but they don?t concern this discussion. On the Web, ?where? EQUALS ?how? Do you think Tiffany?s would build a store on this "road"... (cont'd shortly) 2HP __________________ tada!

06-26-2005, 11:30 AM	#200
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	adds this to the group __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.