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Old 06-25-2005, 12:09 AM   #101
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edit/ 100 beeeeitch!


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=451965
^^^^^
theres his life storey if you want to know.
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:13 AM   #102
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edit/ 100 beeeeitch!


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=451965
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theres his life storey if you want to know.
That should help with some of the skepticism here.
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:15 AM   #103
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actually doesnt answer anything i asked, looking for real answers, no where in there does it say how much he earns, and if he can reach for checks doesnt prove anything as well, i am suprised no one is skepticol and asking real questions rather than signing up for what you dont even know, this could be tony robbins just blowing hot air up your ass, i to have shown interest in this guy as well, but am more interested in knowing if he knows what he is talking about and if he has used his own theories and applications and made money from it, and how much
2HP is a reputable guy in this industry, He worked with AFF for a while, Hes not some fly by not person.
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:58 AM   #104
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Cynicism, when it is motivated by a desire for truth is a healthy, essential thing. But before I scan my 1040 from 2004 and paste it here, I want remind every one that the scale of this "project" has far eclipsed anything I could have had in mind this morning.

The truth is, this IS a place where opportunism and meanness too often rear their heads. The noobs who seldom post and who, for the most part, don't dare to enter into threads filled with "people" they don't know, whose aims are (even to me, still) indecipherable -- I THINK robs this -- amazing, one of a kind in the history of everything EVER -- place of a value it contains. When I first appeared on GFY, I did what many of you still do, I watched and paid attention, and when I had worked up the courage -- I BECAME 2HousePlague here.

For a long time, I have lamented what seemed a wasteful use of such an incredible resource, but have accepted that GFY, like any "society", is made rich by the diversity of its voices -- it turns out now that I have received (that GFY has received) the opportunity to do something that has not been done before. Again, I did not premeditate this, I swear -- but here it is, and we MUST (all of us) see where it can go.

A few clarifications, I'm not a millionaire -- but I am working on it every day and night. Anyone interested in the particulars of my business, is free to ask, here or anywher else. I would rather have those discussions other than on this thread, only because it could be interpreted as a taint of self-promotion on something that I'd like to keep free of that -- at least my own self-promotion.

There is no single "project" I am recruiting anyone for -- I should make it clear that I am NOT hiring -- LOL. However, I feel generosity and gratitude to GFY, without which none of us would be here -- certainly not me.

What I would love to see happen is that this thread becomes a place where a commitment has been made by all who enter here to bring their best -- in the form of both questions and answers. I think it's a tragedy that the best ideas for being single-threaders fall away into the oblivion at the bottom of this page. Here, for the first time I can remember we have a chance to build something of value and to have it all reside conveniently, bookmarkably in ONE PLACE.

My role in this is an accident, but my commitment (if you will share it with me) is sincere and passionate. If you'd like to see who the man is on the soapbox take advantage of the Search tool, while it works -- I have been often absurd and irreverent, and silly -- this is also a place of Play -- but, very consistently in all my "serious threads" I have been a champion of openness and sharing -- something I think we have a problem with as an industry.

Come to this thread to meet people you don't know, to listen to me and ANYONE else who wishes to say something -- all I would say to those who come to post is "bring your best" -- let's make this something to be proud of. Our business achievements in this industry are staggering. Here is an opportunity for Adult to take pride in itself a bit -- how better to do that than in the sprit of self-less sharing, in an educational context?

What I think is dusturbing some people who don't know me, and who have (just as I asked) brought thoughtful questions to the dialogue is the fact that this sort of thing is ALWAYS a scam of some sort. They are right to wonder and ask. This does look too good to be true. But, today, of all days, when for the very first time in a long-time, there is good news and optimism in the air -- TODAY -- let us leave some of the past behind, and come again to our home GFY, as if for the first time.

I promise to all of you, and to Lensman, to do here in this thread what is has for SO LONG been my desire to do somewhere in some way for our amazing BIZ, put it in an impeccable light.

Please...


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Old 06-25-2005, 01:34 AM   #105
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Old 06-25-2005, 02:49 AM   #106
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and, this thread is dj airek approved.

n00bs get your learn on from this cat. he knows it. seriously.

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Old 06-25-2005, 03:15 AM   #107
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Old 06-25-2005, 09:08 AM   #108
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Jack, I believe the words are: noblesse oblige.

What a wonderful idea.

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Old 06-25-2005, 09:30 AM   #109
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Jack, I believe the words are: noblesse oblige.

What a wonderful idea.

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I have offered to set up and host a private board if someone can install the app. I would be really sweet of someone could get a private board set up hear. I think it would be a lot more productive than just running a super huge thread here.
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Old 06-25-2005, 09:42 AM   #111
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Jack, this sounds like an amazing opportunity for anybody in the industry I'm sure all of us could learn great things from you .. best of luck to everybody who gets to participate, and don't squander this opportunity
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I have offered to set up and host a private board if someone can install the app. I would be really sweet of someone could get a private board set up hear. I think it would be a lot more productive than just running a super huge thread here.
Super cool of you.

I'm offering to create a yahoo group for it. Gotta wait and see what Jackl says.
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Sorry to lapse so long -- trying to stay on top of those e-mails. Thank you --

The issue of women in the industry is truly a good place to start. So much of what is opined about this business derives from the ways our cilture and other cultures define the role of women. There are many places in the world -- some not so far away as you might guess -- where the role of women may be veneered in a rhetoric of reverence, but is harnessed, in practice, by their treatment as property, as a "reproductive resource", as the objects of men -- rather than something more balanced, more self-determining, more fulflled.

I have my own views on the subject, but rather than risk alienating anyone who may uphold a more traditional / conservative view of the gender roles, I will say simply that to understand our industy's situation in the national and global culture, you should study the ways in which gender biology gave rise to the fundamental behavior schism that exists in some way in all cultures of the world, and the ways in which that Basic Separation, present in each culture, has given rise to modern expectations of sexual propriety -- and therefore, to the various opinions of pornography you will encounter on the streets of the world.

The problem with the basic objection one hears about pornography is that it contains an enormous hypocrisy (or conflict of interest, depends how you look at it). It seems very few men are prepared to INTEGRATE WITH ALLOWANCE the behaviors in women they most appreciate in the pornographic material they consume. And for women, I would say the conundrum is knowing that their men will respond with sexual enthusiasm to one thing a woman may do at one moment, then condemn (to the point of the death penalty in some places) that same behvavior when observed at a less secure moment for him. Women also worry, I suspect, that even the most sincere demonstrations of approval during sex, veil a condemnation and misogyny that lies always ready to strike them at other moments. The combination of these two dynamics is what drives most men and women APART when they are pursuing sexual truth in themselves, even if they are in the same bed. Porn exists in the middle of that tug of war.



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To make sure I am fully comprehending your post...

Are you saying that porn exists because of the chasm between what men what to see other women do versus what they want their own woman to do?
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To make sure I am fully comprehending your post...

Are you saying that porn exists because of the chasm between what men what to see other women do versus what they want their own woman to do?
I think that in itself is a conflict...I think they want to see their women be free in many ways, sexually, but they be scared of how that translates into reality, in an everyday way....
like, ok, say you have a wild threesome with your wife and another woman, and you have a blast-it's something you always fantasized about, and it exceeded your expectations...
but, then you start to wonder if you can satisfy your wife as well as the other woman did, and every time you catch her eye falling on an attractive girl, you wonder if she wants women more, and if she and the other woman are friends, you wonder if they are secretly hooking up behind your back....
I think it's hard for men to think of their pristine wife, mother to their kids as that wanton freak behind closed doors without having some internal conflict. I think that's why porn will always exist-even for the men who have wives or girlfriends, or partners, in the case of gay men. they can satiate the need for raw, unemotional physical release without the confusion it may cause if it were their actual real life partners engaging in raw, unemotional physical release.
Most men can pretty easily separate sex and love, but those same men have a hard time accepting that some women can, too, I think.
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I think that in itself is a conflict...I think they want to see their women be free in many ways, sexually, but they be scared of how that translates into reality, in an everyday way....
like, ok, say you have a wild threesome with your wife and another woman, and you have a blast-it's something you always fantasized about, and it exceeded your expectations...
but, then you start to wonder if you can satisfy your wife as well as the other woman did, and every time you catch her eye falling on an attractive girl, you wonder if she wants women more, and if she and the other woman are friends, you wonder if they are secretly hooking up behind your back....
I think it's hard for men to think of their pristine wife, mother to their kids as that wanton freak behind closed doors without having some internal conflict. I think that's why porn will always exist-even for the men who have wives or girlfriends, or partners, in the case of gay men. they can satiate the need for raw, unemotional physical release without the confusion it may cause if it were their actual real life partners engaging in raw, unemotional physical release.
Most men can pretty easily separate sex and love, but those same men have a hard time accepting that some women can, too, I think.
Well said. And if a woman weighs more than "perfect" or has looks that aren't exactly "perfect", then it's harder.

Americans in general are trained early on that "thin is in" and that "overweight = disgusting." What we aren't taught is that the human body isn't made to be one size fits all. Some of us are built to be tiny, some of us are built to be large, and yes, even those of us who are fat can be healthy.

Most of the time, when we aren't seen as perfect, we simply aren't acceptable. Now this goes for men, too. Lots of times, we're not seen as people.

Now I'm a big girl, and yes I can stand to lose some weight. But I'm built on a large frame, and if I lose so much weight as to weigh what most people would think of as normal, I'd be too thin and would look horrible.

What needs more realization, IMHO, is that no matter what shape, size, age, or ethnicity, we are all human beings, and as such, are all sexual beings. All of us need love, homes, health, and a good fuck.
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Awesome!! Can I link it to my empty Yahoo! group?
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/

This is the Yahoo group. Join and I'll try to send out a daily digest for us.


Nightwind: What's the message board url? I'll link.
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Awesome!! Can I link it to my empty Yahoo! group?
Sure, http://forum.teentropic.com - I haven't set up any categories or anything yet, but i can add whatever we might need if we decide to use it.
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Well said. And if a woman weighs more than "perfect" or has looks that aren't exactly "perfect", then it's harder.

Americans in general are trained early on that "thin is in" and that "overweight = disgusting." What we aren't taught is that the human body isn't made to be one size fits all. Some of us are built to be tiny, some of us are built to be large, and yes, even those of us who are fat can be healthy.

Most of the time, when we aren't seen as perfect, we simply aren't acceptable. Now this goes for men, too. Lots of times, we're not seen as people.

Now I'm a big girl, and yes I can stand to lose some weight. But I'm built on a large frame, and if I lose so much weight as to weigh what most people would think of as normal, I'd be too thin and would look horrible.

What needs more realization, IMHO, is that no matter what shape, size, age, or ethnicity, we are all human beings, and as such, are all sexual beings. All of us need love, homes, health, and a good fuck.
Hear, hear!

What's the perfect look this month, again? I can never keep track.
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Sure, http://forum.teentropic.com - I haven't set up any categories or anything yet, but i can add whatever we might need if we decide to use it.
Got it. I would think maybe just a couple of areas: The daily post and then a b.s. area?
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Hear, hear!

What's the perfect look this month, again? I can never keep track.
Ummmm.....not sure 'cause I don't give a fuck.
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Added a 2 categories now, you can go ahead and register if it is what we will use. I can make it visible only to the people in the project if needed later.
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Got it.

Want some help in designing a skin for that thing? Maybe have some smilies?
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There are a bunch of skins to choose from on the phpbb2 site, there is also a nice bunch of skins already built in it. You can see a list of them here: http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/catdb.php?db=2
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very typical.. 3 days from now this 'project' has died..

Advantage; it did educate those noobs the most important lesson of this industry.. people are flaky ;)
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Nice. I would like to see this move private just to keep on topic. I want to spend my time learning things that are going to help my business not learning about who's disgruntled with whom.
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very typical.. 3 days from now this 'project' has died..

Advantage; it did educate those noobs the most important lesson of this industry.. people are flaky ;)
I really doubt 2HP is like that from what i've read in his previous posts, i just suspect he is a very busy man and doesn't necessarily have time to spam GFY as much as some people here.
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I really doubt 2HP is like that from what i've read in his previous posts, i just suspect he is a very busy man and doesn't necessarily have time to spam GFY as much as some people here.
Considering that he tends to be a night owl, he's probably still sleeping. Let the guy sleep.
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Hello, everyone --

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Considering that he tends to be a night owl, he's probably still sleeping. Let the guy sleep.

LOL no shit, he doesnt post for 12 hrs and hes flaking..heh.

You gotta love this board.
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:23 PM   #134
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Good Thread, Jack...

There is much money to be made, working together.
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:46 PM   #135
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How much money do you think the top impoverished webmaster will make the 60 day period?
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Old 06-25-2005, 02:29 PM   #136
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very typical.. 3 days from now this 'project' has died..

Advantage; it did educate those noobs the most important lesson of this industry.. people are flaky ;)

proving why we need another board set up to do this
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Old 06-25-2005, 02:35 PM   #137
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Sure, http://forum.teentropic.com - I haven't set up any categories or anything yet, but i can add whatever we might need if we decide to use it.
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Old 06-25-2005, 02:36 PM   #138
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2HP, screw the haters man... keep it up. You're doin' a good thing here.

I'm not impoverished, but I'd love to hear what you have to say. Maybe someday I'll build some sites if I decide on a change of pace from what I'm doing now.
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:33 PM   #139
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LOL no shit, he doesnt post for 12 hrs and hes flaking..heh.

You gotta love this board.
Actually, I've been busy answering e-mails, and otherwise WORKING to make good on the commitment I've undertaken --

Thanks for the bump, though.

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Old 06-25-2005, 03:41 PM   #140
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i would like to hear the results at the end of this
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:43 PM   #141
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:45 PM   #142
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i would like to hear the results at the end of this

i will be posting all results at end of this, good or bad, im hoping for the better
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:48 PM   #143
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I was on the hosting side of the business for many years. I am now doing primarily mainstream, but wanted to give this a shot.

So, I build some sites and sign up for some programs (the easy part) then what?
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:53 PM   #144
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Actually, I've been busy answering e-mails, and otherwise WORKING to make good on the commitment I've undertaken --

Thanks for the bump, though.

2HP

I KNEW you were, it wasnt I that doubted your sincerity, i guess my sarcasm didnt carry over to type well.

I spoke to you at 3 am last nite, wasnt shocked to not see you at 9AM..heh
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Old 06-25-2005, 04:07 PM   #145
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Old 06-25-2005, 06:06 PM   #146
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/

This is the Yahoo group. Join and I'll try to send out a daily digest for us.


Nightwind: What's the message board url? I'll link.
Tala I just signed up for your group, had to use domtheboy1 as my user name though

Cheers

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UPDATE:

Thank you again for the staggering volume of responses. I have been answering your emails diligently all day, and apologize to anyone who has not received a reply yet. You will soon. I am reading your e-mails carefully, visiting your sites and trying to offer some basic counsel, based on what I see.

I'm putting together some resources and pages intended to allow all who've responded to have some exposure, to "meet" each other and to become acquainted with each other's "offerings".

I have also been speaking to a number of people in the industry whose work I admire, and whose success at what they do is self-evident. You can look forward to their contributions over the next few days.

Tonight's subject of discussion will be Site Design Principles -- covering architecture and visual design for several basic site types. Here's a bit about my background on the subject -- X

See you all later,


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Old 06-25-2005, 06:17 PM   #148
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Just posted it to the yahoo group

For those interested, the group is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2HPdaily/
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Old 06-25-2005, 06:41 PM   #149
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i just signed up as wel but had to register as mrawesomeslick
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Just signed up as kektex2005 for the yahoo group.
I think this classroom might need an auditorium 2HP!
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