Well so much for my paysite... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Kard63 · 03-15-2005, 07:39 PM

If she said she would only be doing your solo site and she doe another you should sign up at a free host and give away all of her content all the time to anyone that would want to see her. Make her worthless. Show all the members area content.

You can do that. Maybe you should point it out to her and then offer offer her the chance to shoot with you again or work with no one. You should launch her site soon though so you get some cash before you pimp her ass out for free and fuck up her value (before steve makes his site).

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VegasSEGirl

He paid her for the shoots, I'm assuming with a model agreement, so he can do whatever he wants with the content. He could have had $3500 with no further work. Now he has to put more time into it and try to get more than $3500 back from it.

When you are doing a solo site with a girl and paying her by the shoot, where is her incentive to stay exclusive unless you are paying her a good amount per month or per shoot? I mean more than she would get just working. What was her incentive to do an exlusive deal? Steady work? She could have had that anyway, she's good looking and photogenic.

These are just things you need to think about for future sites. You can find another girl easily. Just make sure you get her locked down non compete, exclusive, whatever you do with solo site models.

i know... i thought about that later and even offered her to do the exact same deal steve had offered her... still was just extremely rude and kept telling me "IT DOESN'T CONCERN YOU"

Jace · 03-15-2005, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kard63

If she said she would only be doing your solo site and she doe another you should sign up at a free host and give away all of her content all the time to anyone that would want to see her. Make her worthless. Show all the members area content.

You can do that. Maybe you should point it out to her and then offer offer her the chance to shoot with you again or work with no one. You should launch her site soon though so you get some cash before you pimp her ass out for free and fuck up her value (before steve makes his site).

i am evil enough to do something like that after I made my money back......just flood the market with every picture and movie you have...all for free...and you own it, so she can't say shit...post it everywhere..and when you post the pics, post the full sets and tons of full sets, so no one ever needs to look elsewhere to find her

that will fuck up her web value for sure

Hawkeye · 03-15-2005, 07:45 PM

Why did you pay $350 for a hotel room?

The Radisson is nice and only costs 100. Or in the long run, it's cheaper to just rent a studio.

cherrylula · 03-15-2005, 07:53 PM

launch the site! launch the site! launch the site!

but get a cleaner design, can't even see what that girl looks like.

aico · 03-15-2005, 07:57 PM

If you are paying the model for the shoot, why even tell them what it's for? just get them to sign a full release and do what you want with the photos. If you want a girl to do webcam chats, diaries, etc, and be part of the site, don't pay them for the shoots, pay them a percentage of what the site makes...

robfantasy · 03-15-2005, 08:06 PM

what a dumb fucking whore, they are a dime a dozen. she isnt even that hot. next time shoot all your content in 1 day. make that bitch bring 30 outfits

dig420 · 03-15-2005, 08:10 PM

I must be missing something here, I thought there was some hot chick everyone was competing over. When I went to the site they substituted some chick with pancake titties and protruding ribs. Decent ass, but damn, are tweakers considered hot these days?

KCat · 03-15-2005, 08:15 PM

26 photo sets & 6 videos is enough to launch the site. Either launch it or take the $2500 & find another model.

You can't expect them to pay for your equipment or web server. The $2500 covers your costs associated with this girl.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 08:15 PM

Steve Lightspeed (7:06 PM) :
it appears you have decided to end any chance of doing biz together now, that is unfortunate

This is in regards to the thread...

pornguy · 03-15-2005, 08:16 PM

first off: why are you paying a photographer who doesn't own his own equipment? Or did you buy the equipment just to keep it under the bed?
You need to make up your mind: use a photographer with HIS equip. or you shoot the content yourself with the equip. that you bought.
Also, if you're going to make a solo girl site, you need a CONTRACT.
To most of these chicks, that doesn't matter, but at least later on you can tell her: here is what you signed, you stupid bitch.
And... NO BOYFRIENDS!
I had a bad experience with a model's boyfriend at the beginning of us making our own sites. So from then on, the girls can bring a girlfriend, but no b/f or husbands. Unless he dude is going to fuck them on camera.
Plus... use Cheap hotels. Holiday Inns do wonders, and they are about 60 bucks a night.

Anyway, sorry to hear. Things will get better, and you now have the experience. Learn from it!

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCat

You can't expect them to pay for your equipment or web server. The $2500 covers your costs associated with this girl.

i know.... but 2500 is an insult.... for all the time and work i have put into this....

Sly · 03-15-2005, 08:20 PM

sonofsam, I can see that you're upset, but you're being a tard. You should have worked out a deal with somebody, made back some of your money, made some good business contacts, and you would be in a much better situation. Instead, you learned a valuable lesson at the hefty price of $2,500.

WTF are you doing man? You don't have cash OR traffic? Build one or the other, THEN build your paysite.

KCat · 03-15-2005, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i know.... but 2500 is an insult.... for all the time and work i have put into this....

Honey, that girl isn't worth the $2500 you put into it. Unless she's doing double anal, she's not going to sell in the teen market. Teen solo sites are looking for innocence, not meth whores.

Take it as a learning experience. How many webmasters here blew up their bandwidth bill in overages when they had a shitty gallery listed on the Hun for the first time? You've got many projects ahead of you.

slapass · 03-15-2005, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i know.... but 2500 is an insult.... for all the time and work i have put into this....

This is where being 18 is a disadavantage. You would not have lost much and you learned tons. The next site would and have/is going to go smoother. Steve Lightspeed was there once and I am sure he did some similar stuff. Look where he is now. Bigger and better next time.

PS grovel back and see if you can take his offer. If not fire up the server and start the site going. You have lots of exclusive stuff that should get you on the best TGP's pretty easily.

Veterans Day · 03-15-2005, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

one thing i have to my advantage is my age..... i have access to a lot of 18 year old girls haha

in fact recruited another girl today... exclusive... this time i'll get custom contracts

No what your gonna do is take friday and saturday and shoot 6-10 months worth of content and updates, BEFORE she flakes also. Thats rule #1 with solo teens. Shoot a gang of content

pornguy · 03-15-2005, 08:27 PM

Next time make a contract with the girl that states that she will be exclusive to you and that site, for x number of days weeks or years. Also have a clause that says that if she refuses to fufill her end, and make sure to list the things she needs to do, that she will owe back the cost of production to date, and give up the rest of the site to you.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

No what your gonna do is take friday and saturday and shoot 6-10 months worth of content and updates, BEFORE she flakes also. Thats rule #1 with solo teens. Shoot a gang of content

i tried to do that, i told her i need her for every day she is available...

BrettJ · 03-15-2005, 08:30 PM

Move on. Sell the content.

Don't pay for makeup artists, $250 hotel rooms or photographers until you need to (if you really can't shoot get somebody that wants expierence.

Let the model bring a friend if she wants - explain up front that they might need to hang out in the other room during the shoot.

Don't let anybody use drugs or alcohol before or during the shoot.

BrettJ · 03-15-2005, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCat

Honey, that girl isn't worth the $2500 you put into it.

Word. be glad that's all you spent on her...and that you're not building a site.

xxxdesign-net · 03-15-2005, 08:38 PM

Btw.. what processor will you use..? CCbill? If so.. how were you able to use them..?

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Btw.. what processor will you use..? CCbill? If so.. how were you able to use them..?

there is a great guy who is helping me with that... making me a sub account.. now i would say a thanks to him.. however i don't want to bring his name into this... i dont want to bring bad attention to his business in any way

AaronM · 03-15-2005, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrettJ

Don't let anybody use drugs or alcohol before or during the shoot.

What about the photographer?

aflex · 03-15-2005, 08:58 PM

I think you made quite a few poor business decisions. In a few years you'll look back and write this loss off as a lesson learned.

You should have taken the $3500 offer.. you would have still had all your equipment.. practically paid for.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aflex

I think you made quite a few poor business decisions. In a few years you'll look back and write this loss off as a lesson learned.

You should have taken the $3500 offer.. you would have still had all your equipment.. practically paid for.

i would have taken it... it was during negotiations... they said 3500... i said 4000... i was expecting them to say 3750 or something... but they came back with a complete NO

PurrrsianPussyKat · 03-15-2005, 09:02 PM

Why not make an avs site out of her content?
You won't need to pay for a ccbill account, you can promote it out the ass and use the additional content behind the avs as "bonus content".
You can still make a butt load of money, without additional expense.
My 2 cents.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

Why not make an avs site out of her content?
You won't need to pay for a ccbill account, you can promote it out the ass and use the additional content behind the avs as "bonus content".
You can still make a butt load of money, without additional expense.
My 2 cents.

i already have access to a ccbill account.....

NaughtyRob · 03-15-2005, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer

start a site and shuffle in bought content to stretch out the 26 pic sets as "friends"
updates are updates and ive seen this work for a few sites

I told you man. And I have a SHIT load of content to help you buddy. We can work it out and I will promote the fuck out of that site for you.

PurrrsianPussyKat · 03-15-2005, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i already have access to a ccbill account.....

Ahhh. didn't realize you already had the ccbill acount.

aflex · 03-15-2005, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i would have taken it... it was during negotiations... they said 3500... i said 4000... i was expecting them to say 3750 or something... but they came back with a complete NO

Who had the upper hand in this situation? Big ol' Lightspeed or lil ol' you? The model wanted Lightspeed, and not you. You negotiated them to $3500 from $2500, which is very good for you. You cannot expect another business to clean your mess and pay the full bill. Asking for an extra $500 after they just agreed to give you $1000 extra seems like a reach, I think they initially were doing you a favor.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aflex

Who had the upper hand in this situation? Big ol' Lightspeed or lil ol' you? The model wanted Lightspeed, and not you. You negotiated them to $3500 from $2500, which is very good for you. You cannot expect another business to clean your mess and pay the full bill. Asking for an extra $500 after they just agreed to give you $1000 extra seems like a reach, I think they initially were doing you a favor.

2500 barely covered my cost... i was just asking for 1500 for 2+ months of time put into it...

NaughtyRob · 03-15-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Steve Lightspeed (7:06 PM) :
it appears you have decided to end any chance of doing biz together now, that is unfortunate

This is in regards to the thread...

Good, launch the site.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ContentProducer

I told you man. And I have a SHIT load of content to help you buddy. We can work it out and I will promote the fuck out of that site for you.

thanks so much bro i really appreciate it, but like i told you on icq... i would feel too guilty accepting something for free.... and i am gonna have to say no... i dont want anyone to think i expect an easy ride anywhere.. i just really want what i truly believe i deserve..

kmanrox · 03-15-2005, 09:17 PM

bro.... how about find another model???

onemodelplace.com

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedonistic

bro.... how about find another model???

onemodelplace.com

i have found another model, but i also just bought some content... so now not getting paid for this.... I dont have enough to shoot....

.:St Ides:. · 03-15-2005, 09:35 PM

What you should have done is taken the 3500 from lightspeed. Chalked the time you put into it as a learning expierence and tossed your pride aside. It's only 500 bucks, you paid that for makeup and an over priced hotel room. Both of which you could have saved money on. So honestly if you took the 3500 from Lightspeed, learned from it and put that 500 bucks aside to bad decisions the first time around you'd then not have to be asking advice on GFY and buring some bridges.

That 3500 could have gone a long way to shooting content with a new model.

pxxx · 03-15-2005, 09:43 PM

I don't think she looks that good anyways. Sorry for the blow man, it sure is HARD to get a paysite going, especially with flaky hahahahas.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxxx

I don't think she looks that good anyways. Sorry for the blow man, it sure is HARD to get a paysite going, especially with flaky hahahahas.

i know she doesn't look that good, in fact i'm sure she could be replaced with a stray dog who has been hit by a car and is partially retarded..

its just that i wanted to learn the ropes with her site.. from content production... to marketting.... but whatever.. i guess im fucked anyways.. i'll just have to make the best of a shitty situation... and i have an amazing group of people help me out... thanks again

JoeA · 03-15-2005, 10:05 PM

I had to read through a few of the original posts again and I saw that you have been paying the model for the shoots, which means you're keeping 100% of the profits...

With Sahara's site we agreed from the begining as we'd been friends for a year before starting the site... She works for free... She gets 50% of the net and I pay for other models when necessary for g/g or b/g shoots.. And the result is ... No problems, as she has a regular income as an extra to all her other modelling work. We do one or two shoots a month for the site, which can be a couple of g/g stills sets and vids at a time or two sets of stills and 1 vid for b/g... Not many guys in the UK can cum twice in a couple of hrs... LOL, or we do three solo sets of stills and vids.

Next time make the model a 50/50 partner which is an incentive, if she works for others at the same time, so she builds a name for herself. Sahara has shot over 25 films in the last 3 months which will be released in the UK and USA this year, plus she appears on quite a few multi model sites. She's also planning a trip to NY next month to work with www.insex.com as she is a sub and a dom which gives her even more scope to be seen and so draw the surfers to her site.

I hope this bit of info helps you for future solo model site plans

NaughtyRob · 03-15-2005, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeA

Next time make the model a 50/50 partner which is an incentive

NO WAY....I have tried it. It doesnt work. They do not have incentive unless they are getting paid. You have a rare girl there JoeA.

chodadog · 03-15-2005, 10:14 PM

Good luck with the next one.

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chodadog

Good luck with the next one.

thanks mate

SteveLightspeed · 03-15-2005, 10:21 PM

Wow, drama drama drama.

This is the first time that my mere appearance in a city has caused so many problems. Maybe I should change my name to "Darth Lightspeed"?

I tried to work this out for everyone, but it feels to me like the model has played us all, so I withdrew my offer for her.

This sums up what happened from my perspective:

I went to Vancouver to meet Steve and his models. I agreed to start with 5 girls, of 9 possible. Steve wanted Mandy in the first 5, but I didn't think she was the right look for Lightspeed. When i found out sonofsam had content of her, i said i won't shoot her at all. She had a cow and blamed him and refused to work with him anymore. So we tried to salvage this by offering to buy out sonofsam. But think about this.... why would I want to PAY EXTRA for a girl i DIDN'T REALLY WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

But I prefer to be nice, so let's find a way to work it out.

Today, after 10 days of haggling, i thought we agreed on $3500, and I asked for an NDA (to avoid sonofsam crying on gfy, call it a premonition) -- he raised the price another $500 --- deal breaker. Now here we are, I look like the villian.

I suggest to Sam that he sell his interest in this girl to someone else who she is willing to work with. He called me a snake and a dick, so fuck it, sorry for trying to work it out.

Steve Lightspeed

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 10:23 PM

WHAT THE FUCK.. HOW DARE YOU TWIST MY WORDS!?

i told you... "btw i suggest better communication between you and the camming boss next time... because when u tell me u arn't going to shoot her... and he tells me you are.... it makes you LOOK like a snake"

and yes i did call you a dick.. why? because you said "i'm done with you... run along now"

.:St Ides:. · 03-15-2005, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Wow, drama drama drama.

This is the first time that my mere appearance in a city has caused so many problems. Maybe I should change my name to "Darth Lightspeed"?

I tried to work this out for everyone, but it feels to me like the model has played us all, so I withdrew my offer for her.

This sums up what happened from my perspective:

I went to Vancouver to meet Steve and his models. I agreed to start with 5 girls, of 9 possible. Steve wanted Mandy in the first 5, but I didn't think she was the right look for Lightspeed. When i found out sonofsam had content of her, i said i won't shoot her at all. She had a cow and blamed him and refused to work with him anymore. So we tried to salvage this by offering to buy out sonofsam. But think about this.... why would I want to PAY EXTRA for a girl i DIDN'T REALLY WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

But I prefer to be nice, so let's find a way to work it out.

Today, after 10 days of haggling, i thought we agreed on $3500, and I asked for an NDA (to avoid sonofsam crying on gfy, call it a premonition) -- he raised the price another $500 --- deal breaker. Now here we are, I look like the villian.

I suggest to Sam that he sell his interest in this girl to someone else who she is willing to work with. He called me a snake and a dick, so fuck it, sorry for trying to work it out.

Steve Lightspeed

Nice post.

Good to hear both sides of what went down.

Seems there was to much time and headaches over a c list girl in my opinion

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 10:25 PM

i can't believe u came here with "you called me a snake" ... you said "way to insult me" in the icq convo and i explained i wasnt calling you a snake and saying it made you look like a snake...

Sly · 03-15-2005, 10:32 PM

sonofsam, dude... what are you doing? Just work out a deal and get this over with. You're stepping on your own feet when you have people standing right next to you showing you how to walk.

You all got hosed by the model. Why be pissed at one another about it? It comes with the territory man, it isn't the first time you're going to have model problems and lose money. This is business, it comes with a certain degree of risk... sometimes the risk pays off, sometimes you get hosed. The trick is to take full advantage of the "pay off" situations and learn from your mistakes in the "hosed" situations.

Huggles · 03-15-2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .:St Ides:.

Nice post.

Good to hear both sides of what went down.

Seems there was to much time and headaches over a c list girl in my opinion

Any of the Lightspeed girls look better than this chick.

Son of Sam, I think the whole situation is pretty fucked. Not by you, not by Steve, but by the model. She is obviously looking out for #1, which is herself. She would drop you like a turd at the chance to work with Lightspeed. Then again, if someone else offered her a dime more than Lightspeed I'm sure she would tell him "ain't it a bitch" and give him "good luck" in the industry too.

Shitty situation for all the people involved.

foxxx · 03-15-2005, 10:36 PM

without a doubt you should have taken the 3500...

STOP LOOKING AT IT FROM YOUR ANGLE...

why counter offer 4,000 when from their angle the thoughts would be, wtf do i get for 4,000... a few photos they could shoot in one day?

they wont use the website, they'd design one of their own to fit in with their styles...

so really, only the content, and who pays 4k for a few sets, i mean really? would you?

so what if the 4k means he gets her exclusive? single girl sites are becoming a dime a dozen, girls who want to do their own site are getting easy to find, it'll be easier to get some one else rather then pay you out for that bitch.

sit down, take some breaths, look it the issue from every angle and take the fucking money while you can...

shit having a single girl site is only one tenth of the battle, good luck promoting it and making money from it... you'll be spending more then 4k in promotion before you see some returns - and you'll still be in debt...

sonofsam · 03-15-2005, 10:41 PM

this whole mess sucks shit..

03-15-2005, 07:39 PM	#51
Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	If she said she would only be doing your solo site and she doe another you should sign up at a free host and give away all of her content all the time to anyone that would want to see her. Make her worthless. Show all the members area content. You can do that. Maybe you should point it out to her and then offer offer her the chance to shoot with you again or work with no one. You should launch her site soon though so you get some cash before you pimp her ass out for free and fuck up her value (before steve makes his site). __________________

03-15-2005, 08:06 PM	#57
robfantasy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Medellin, Colombia Posts: 6,445	what a dumb fucking whore, they are a dime a dozen. she isnt even that hot. next time shoot all your content in 1 day. make that bitch bring 30 outfits __________________ Looking to speak w/ high volume nutra CPA affiliates or networks... msg me

03-15-2005, 08:15 PM	#59
KCat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PNW Posts: 2,204	26 photo sets & 6 videos is enough to launch the site. Either launch it or take the $2500 & find another model. You can't expect them to pay for your equipment or web server. The $2500 covers your costs associated with this girl. __________________ ~ 300+ FHGs, 100,000 pics to use plus a rockin' Video of the Day download! ~

03-15-2005, 08:15 PM	#60
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	Steve Lightspeed (7:06 PM) : it appears you have decided to end any chance of doing biz together now, that is unfortunate This is in regards to the thread... __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 08:16 PM	#61
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	first off: why are you paying a photographer who doesn't own his own equipment? Or did you buy the equipment just to keep it under the bed? You need to make up your mind: use a photographer with HIS equip. or you shoot the content yourself with the equip. that you bought. Also, if you're going to make a solo girl site, you need a CONTRACT. To most of these chicks, that doesn't matter, but at least later on you can tell her: here is what you signed, you stupid bitch. And... NO BOYFRIENDS! I had a bad experience with a model's boyfriend at the beginning of us making our own sites. So from then on, the girls can bring a girlfriend, but no b/f or husbands. Unless he dude is going to fuck them on camera. Plus... use Cheap hotels. Holiday Inns do wonders, and they are about 60 bucks a night. Anyway, sorry to hear. Things will get better, and you now have the experience. Learn from it! __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

03-15-2005, 07:45 PM	#54
Hawkeye Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,291	Why did you pay $350 for a hotel room? The Radisson is nice and only costs 100. Or in the long run, it's cheaper to just rent a studio.

03-15-2005, 07:53 PM	#55
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	launch the site! launch the site! launch the site! but get a cleaner design, can't even see what that girl looks like.

03-15-2005, 07:57 PM	#56
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	If you are paying the model for the shoot, why even tell them what it's for? just get them to sign a full release and do what you want with the photos. If you want a girl to do webcam chats, diaries, etc, and be part of the site, don't pay them for the shoots, pay them a percentage of what the site makes...

03-15-2005, 08:10 PM	#58
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	I must be missing something here, I thought there was some hot chick everyone was competing over. When I went to the site they substituted some chick with pancake titties and protruding ribs. Decent ass, but damn, are tweakers considered hot these days?

03-15-2005, 08:20 PM	#63
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,329	sonofsam, I can see that you're upset, but you're being a tard. You should have worked out a deal with somebody, made back some of your money, made some good business contacts, and you would be in a much better situation. Instead, you learned a valuable lesson at the hefty price of $2,500. WTF are you doing man? You don't have cash OR traffic? Build one or the other, THEN build your paysite. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

03-15-2005, 08:27 PM	#67
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Next time make a contract with the girl that states that she will be exclusive to you and that site, for x number of days weeks or years. Also have a clause that says that if she refuses to fufill her end, and make sure to list the things she needs to do, that she will owe back the cost of production to date, and give up the rest of the site to you. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

03-15-2005, 08:30 PM	#69
BrettJ ol' timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 4,715	Move on. Sell the content. Don't pay for makeup artists, $250 hotel rooms or photographers until you need to (if you really can't shoot get somebody that wants expierence. Let the model bring a friend if she wants - explain up front that they might need to hang out in the other room during the shoot. Don't let anybody use drugs or alcohol before or during the shoot.

03-15-2005, 08:38 PM	#71
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Btw.. what processor will you use..? CCbill? If so.. how were you able to use them..?

03-15-2005, 08:58 PM	#74
aflex Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New Jersey - adaptweb at gmail.com Posts: 3,127	I think you made quite a few poor business decisions. In a few years you'll look back and write this loss off as a lesson learned. You should have taken the $3500 offer.. you would have still had all your equipment.. practically paid for. __________________ self made mothafucka. buying premium domains & developed sites with revenue/traffic -> adaptweb at gmail.com

03-15-2005, 09:02 PM	#76
PurrrsianPussyKat Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lost in the mountains Posts: 2,088	Why not make an avs site out of her content? You won't need to pay for a ccbill account, you can promote it out the ass and use the additional content behind the avs as "bonus content". You can still make a butt load of money, without additional expense. My 2 cents. __________________ Need a reliable, reasonably priced php programmer? Hit me up! 2934409

03-15-2005, 09:17 PM	#84
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	bro.... how about find another model??? onemodelplace.com __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

03-15-2005, 09:35 PM	#86
.:St Ides:. Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,857	What you should have done is taken the 3500 from lightspeed. Chalked the time you put into it as a learning expierence and tossed your pride aside. It's only 500 bucks, you paid that for makeup and an over priced hotel room. Both of which you could have saved money on. So honestly if you took the 3500 from Lightspeed, learned from it and put that 500 bucks aside to bad decisions the first time around you'd then not have to be asking advice on GFY and buring some bridges. That 3500 could have gone a long way to shooting content with a new model.

03-15-2005, 09:43 PM	#87
pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	I don't think she looks that good anyways. Sorry for the blow man, it sure is HARD to get a paysite going, especially with flaky hahahahas.

03-15-2005, 10:05 PM	#89
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	An idea but a bit late... I had to read through a few of the original posts again and I saw that you have been paying the model for the shoots, which means you're keeping 100% of the profits... With Sahara's site we agreed from the begining as we'd been friends for a year before starting the site... She works for free... She gets 50% of the net and I pay for other models when necessary for g/g or b/g shoots.. And the result is ... No problems, as she has a regular income as an extra to all her other modelling work. We do one or two shoots a month for the site, which can be a couple of g/g stills sets and vids at a time or two sets of stills and 1 vid for b/g... Not many guys in the UK can cum twice in a couple of hrs... LOL, or we do three solo sets of stills and vids. Next time make the model a 50/50 partner which is an incentive, if she works for others at the same time, so she builds a name for herself. Sahara has shot over 25 films in the last 3 months which will be released in the UK and USA this year, plus she appears on quite a few multi model sites. She's also planning a trip to NY next month to work with www.insex.com as she is a sub and a dom which gives her even more scope to be seen and so draw the surfers to her site. I hope this bit of info helps you for future solo model site plans __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

03-15-2005, 10:14 PM	#91
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Good luck with the next one. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-15-2005, 10:21 PM	#93
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Wow, drama drama drama. This is the first time that my mere appearance in a city has caused so many problems. Maybe I should change my name to "Darth Lightspeed"? I tried to work this out for everyone, but it feels to me like the model has played us all, so I withdrew my offer for her. This sums up what happened from my perspective: I went to Vancouver to meet Steve and his models. I agreed to start with 5 girls, of 9 possible. Steve wanted Mandy in the first 5, but I didn't think she was the right look for Lightspeed. When i found out sonofsam had content of her, i said i won't shoot her at all. She had a cow and blamed him and refused to work with him anymore. So we tried to salvage this by offering to buy out sonofsam. But think about this.... why would I want to PAY EXTRA for a girl i DIDN'T REALLY WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE? But I prefer to be nice, so let's find a way to work it out. Today, after 10 days of haggling, i thought we agreed on $3500, and I asked for an NDA (to avoid sonofsam crying on gfy, call it a premonition) -- he raised the price another $500 --- deal breaker. Now here we are, I look like the villian. I suggest to Sam that he sell his interest in this girl to someone else who she is willing to work with. He called me a snake and a dick, so fuck it, sorry for trying to work it out. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

03-15-2005, 10:23 PM	#94
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	WHAT THE FUCK.. HOW DARE YOU TWIST MY WORDS!? i told you... "btw i suggest better communication between you and the camming boss next time... because when u tell me u arn't going to shoot her... and he tells me you are.... it makes you LOOK like a snake" and yes i did call you a dick.. why? because you said "i'm done with you... run along now" __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 10:25 PM	#96
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	i can't believe u came here with "you called me a snake" ... you said "way to insult me" in the icq convo and i explained i wasnt calling you a snake and saying it made you look like a snake... __________________ I like turtles.

03-15-2005, 10:32 PM	#97
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,329	sonofsam, dude... what are you doing? Just work out a deal and get this over with. You're stepping on your own feet when you have people standing right next to you showing you how to walk. You all got hosed by the model. Why be pissed at one another about it? It comes with the territory man, it isn't the first time you're going to have model problems and lose money. This is business, it comes with a certain degree of risk... sometimes the risk pays off, sometimes you get hosed. The trick is to take full advantage of the "pay off" situations and learn from your mistakes in the "hosed" situations. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

03-15-2005, 10:36 PM	#99
foxxx Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 573	without a doubt you should have taken the 3500... STOP LOOKING AT IT FROM YOUR ANGLE... why counter offer 4,000 when from their angle the thoughts would be, wtf do i get for 4,000... a few photos they could shoot in one day? they wont use the website, they'd design one of their own to fit in with their styles... so really, only the content, and who pays 4k for a few sets, i mean really? would you? so what if the 4k means he gets her exclusive? single girl sites are becoming a dime a dozen, girls who want to do their own site are getting easy to find, it'll be easier to get some one else rather then pay you out for that bitch. sit down, take some breaths, look it the issue from every angle and take the fucking money while you can... shit having a single girl site is only one tenth of the battle, good luck promoting it and making money from it... you'll be spending more then 4k in promotion before you see some returns - and you'll still be in debt...

03-15-2005, 10:41 PM	#100
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	this whole mess sucks shit.. __________________ I like turtles.