Reflected situation. Move? - GoFuckYourself.com

Trax · 01-13-2005, 05:10 AM

I've got an important site hosted over there with tons of databases and scripts that I don't know how to backup and stuff... when my server goes down this site is fucked BIG TIME.

in their email they sent to customers they write that there is nothing to worry about because the shit effects two totally different companies but then again everyone is telling me to move.

give me some input.

SpeakEasy · 01-13-2005, 05:24 AM

Move your shit, and move it fast. They obviously are telling you everything is fine because they dont want you to move. Remember they just sold a month ago to servercentral. Remember donnie Gangsta saying how they were simply rolling along like biz as usual? then they sell out, and now the current ftc shit? I personally would take my shit and run.

This is just my opinion of course.

Top Jimmy · 01-13-2005, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

I've got an important site hosted over there with tons of databases and scripts that I don't know how to backup and stuff... when my server goes down this site is fucked BIG TIME.

in their email they sent to customers they write that there is nothing to worry about because the shit effects two totally different companies but then again everyone is telling me to move.

give me some input.

You should always have backups. If you have backups it really doesn't matter what happens.

Trax · 01-13-2005, 07:02 AM

Any more comments? I just have been in contact with the script writer and was able to backup everything... now what should I do more... should I have that domain setup on another box of mine as well so that in case the machine is down I just have to change the DNS or is it even possible to have the website running on several totally different companies so in case one goes down, the 2nd one takes care of the traffic?
keep in mind I'm a tech/server newbie

Twe Russ · 01-13-2005, 07:11 AM

Take your shit to ISPRIME. See sig. Top Host. NO BS.

Trax · 01-13-2005, 07:12 AM

I don't really need host recommendations... I know which hosts work or don't work for my project.

darksoul · 01-13-2005, 07:15 AM

Its all about how much you got to lose.
Ask yourself if you afford xxx downtime and you'll know what to do.
(the downtime may never occur, but "better safe than sorry")

Trax · 01-13-2005, 07:19 AM

so is what I have in mind above possible?? I am pretty damn sure it is... just want to go the save way here

BackToMine · 01-13-2005, 07:24 AM

drop it like a hot rod

Veterans Day · 01-13-2005, 07:54 AM

I mean do you honestly need a rational answer to that question of yours? Of course their email says all is fine, fuckkkkkkk that I would be out in a heartbeat.

BackToMine · 01-13-2005, 07:57 AM

Move to ISPrime

See Cig · 01-13-2005, 08:03 AM

You will be fine. Reflected.net isnt going anywhere. S4c has problems. Reflected dosent.

Herb Kornfield · 01-13-2005, 08:10 AM

If it matters to you, I'd say move or have a mirrored rig set up at another host and then if things are cool later you can always move back to them..

s9ann0 · 01-13-2005, 08:16 AM

tar everything up and copy it to another server immediately

Pornwolf · 01-13-2005, 09:16 AM

Yeah, it would be a good idea to backup now.

felipeav · 01-13-2005, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

Its all about how much you got to lose.
Ask yourself if you afford xxx downtime and you'll know what to do.
(the downtime may never occur, but "better safe than sorry")

this is the point you should think ...

XSV · 01-13-2005, 10:09 AM

Trax,

Make a tar backup and send the login info to MikeW at [email protected] and we will put it on one of our backup servers for you at no cost until you have a better idea of what is going on with Reflected.

- Matt

OzMan · 01-13-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSV

Trax,

Make a tar backup and send the login info to MikeW at [email protected] and we will put it on one of our backup servers for you at no cost until you have a better idea of what is going on with Reflected.

- Matt

wow

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2005, 10:42 AM

I dont know , but i def think its very very shady that they would put a disclaimer on their front page claiming its a different reflected, even though one of the people charged is FROM GFY and promotes reflected using his reflected.net email account, offers hosting deals for reflected and is listed as an employee of reflected, and is known as phil from reflected.net.

Now im not saying they are guilty im just saying it seems shady they would lie.

Trax · 01-13-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSV

Trax,

Make a tar backup and send the login info to MikeW at [email protected] and we will put it on one of our backup servers for you at no cost until you have a better idea of what is going on with Reflected.

- Matt

for that reason I like having servers with phatservers

now you just gotto explain me how to make a tar copy
email in sig if thats better-

SplitInfinity · 01-13-2005, 11:28 AM

I have a solution for you:

SplitInfinity will set up a server for you exactly like your one there is for FREE. If there is a problem you can switch to us immediately.

Obviously we could not just let it sit forever, but it surely would get you secured and safe in the case you need to jump ship.

Anyone else need this kind of help? Call my cell, 619-227-8845

Chris Jester

reflected-dhb · 01-13-2005, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I dont know , but i def think its very very shady that they would put a disclaimer on their front page claiming its a different reflected, even though one of the people charged is FROM GFY and promotes reflected using his reflected.net email account, offers hosting deals for reflected and is listed as an employee of reflected, and is known as phil from reflected.net.

Now im not saying they are guilty im just saying it seems shady they would lie.

Hello, I'm an owner of reflected.net, and the ignorant flaming has gone on long enough. For those who have supported us, thank you - your kindness has not gone unnoticed. For those who sit on here all day and make things up, do some research and get your facts straight before writing.

I'll post the letter to our customers we sent in a few minutes on a separate thread, so more people see it, but since someone says we're LYING, here's some facts:

Phil Doroff, "phil21" on GFY, is named in the FTC suit as an officer of WTFRC, Inc., which is the company that sold us Reflected.net. WTFRC, Inc. is a Nevada corporation which doesn't currently do business as Reflected Networks because they sold the name, customers, and certain assets to us.

Phil is currently employed as our director of operations, but he is neither an owner nor an officer of the company. The charges against Phil and WTFRC, Inc. are NOT against me, my partner, our company (Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois).

We are in touch with the FTC's attorney for the case, and they understand that we are not the same company as WTFRC, Inc. in Vegas. They are NOT suing us for SPAM, pulling out our equipment, or shutting us off.

Who's lying?

Feel free to PM me with any serious questions.

DHB
daniel at reflected dot net

NaughtyRob · 01-13-2005, 11:32 AM

They are fine. My sites are all good. Stick with them.

Dear Robert Ferrara,

We are writing you to provide you with an update about the recent press from the FTC regarding Reflected Networks. As you can imagine, the events of the last few days have generated a high volume of inquiries from customers and other interested parties. We'd like to take this opportunity to explain to you a bit about what has transpired.

As you may remember from the last email we sent, Reflected Networks changed hands of ownership last November. Substantially, the brand name, certain assets (i.e. servers) and the customer base were sold by Reflected Networks, Inc. of Nevada, to Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois. As part of the terms of the sale, the Nevada corporation was required to change its name to WTFRC, Inc. with the Secretary of State of Nevada.

WTFRC, Inc. is not the same company as Reflected Networks, and WTFRC, Inc. does NOT conduct business as Reflected Networks, Inc. For verification purposes, this information is publicly available by visiting the Secretary of State's offices in the States of Illinois and Nevada online and conducting a few name searches:

http://www.sos.state.il.us/CorpSearchWeb/corpsrch.html
http://www.sos.state.nv.us/begin.asp

We, the new owners of Reflected.net, do not belong to any affiliate programs, are not involved in any SPAM operations, and do not permit such operations to take place within our network.

Most importantly, we'd like to reassure you that it will remain business as usual at Reflected.net. Our attorneys have been in touch with the FTC, and are working to get the inaccurate information stricken from the caption of charges (the part that says d/b/a/ Reflected Networks, Inc. under WTFRC, Inc.).

The FTC will NOT be confiscating, seizing, or shutting off our servers, or our customer's servers. You'll also notice the WHOIS information for the domain reflected.net has been updated, as well as the contact info for our IP blocks.

Since most of you work with Phil on a frequent basis you'd probably like to understand a bit about his involvement in WTFRC, Inc. and his role at Reflected here in Chicago. Phil was a minority shareholder in the old Reflected (now WTFRC, Inc.) of Nevada. When we purchased the Reflected brand and customers, we retained Phil as the director of operations, but he is neither a principal nor an officer of the company.

It is important you understand that the allegations brought against WTFRC Inc. and Phil Doroff are purely of a civil nature, and not criminal - and that NO charges are filed against the Reflected Networks with which you conduct your business. In simple terms, the FTC is currently seeking monetary restitution, not jail time from the defendants, and the actions will not impact the high quality service we provide.

If you wish to read any of the FTC's filings, they are publicly available here:

http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0423168/0423168.htm.

Again, it will continue to be business as usual here at Reflected - hopefully you got to meet us at Internext in Las Vegas, and of course we'll be in Miami this summer. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to contact us with questions regarding your service with us.

Warm Regards,

Dan Brosk and Jordan Lowe
Owners
Reflected Networks, Inc.

Magg · 01-13-2005, 11:34 AM

Im inclined to believe Daniel above, and think you should be fine with Reflected. The name was just thrown around because of previous involvment by Phil who was affiliated with Reflected.

Id be willing to say you're safe where you are, and should stay.... If you are truly worried you can make a backup of your files (which you should have to begin with, FTC problems or no).

SplitInfinity · 01-13-2005, 11:36 AM

Well, there you have it. A responsible response from the owner.

He put his neck out there and said what was up... I dont think I would worry
personally.

BuckLover · 01-13-2005, 11:36 AM

If it's still up, move that shit fast!

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2005, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflected-dhb

Hello, I'm an owner of reflected.net, and the ignorant flaming has gone on long enough. For those who have supported us, thank you - your kindness has not gone unnoticed. For those who sit on here all day and make things up, do some research and get your facts straight before writing.

I'll post the letter to our customers we sent in a few minutes on a separate thread, so more people see it, but since someone says we're LYING, here's some facts:

Phil Doroff, "phil21" on GFY, is named in the FTC suit as an officer of WTFRC, Inc., which is the company that sold us Reflected.net. WTFRC, Inc. is a Nevada corporation which doesn't currently do business as Reflected Networks because they sold the name, customers, and certain assets to us.

Phil is currently employed as our director of operations, but he is neither an owner nor an officer of the company. The charges against Phil and WTFRC, Inc. are NOT against me, my partner, our company (Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois).

We are in touch with the FTC's attorney for the case, and they understand that we are not the same company as WTFRC, Inc. in Vegas. They are NOT suing us for SPAM, pulling out our equipment, or shutting us off.

Who's lying?

Feel free to PM me with any serious questions.

DHB
daniel at reflected dot net

If this is the case im sincerely sorry ,

Infact i would still guess phil is just caught up in the case but not the "targets" in this case.

But you have to admit its AWFULLY shady looking..

phil is named in the charges and so is reflected net but it happens to be a different reflected.net ??

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the correlation.

Regardless even having an employee of your hosting company being charged by the ftc is fairly scary and worrysome for partners/customers and the way your disclaimer reads, it makes it sound as if its all just a confusion with the name , and its not.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2005, 11:44 AM

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK2235

Put that together with the YAHOO news stating reflected networks and phil together , then tell me anyone wouldn't put 2 + 2 together ??

Phil works for you and is charged by the ftc , but its just a coincidence that your also known as reflected ?

ANYONE is innocent until proven guilty , but looking out for your interests is just a no-brainer

Trax · 01-13-2005, 11:50 AM

There was no flaming or anything meant when I started this thread... but I had a similair thing happen to me in the past which cost me a nice chunk of money. Therefore I just want to be sure, cuz when my server goes down or better... is taken offline I will surely have to kill someone on the next convention or whatever.
Just want to clarify my point hehe

reflected-dhb · 01-13-2005, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK2235

Put that together with the YAHOO news stating reflected networks and phil together , then tell me anyone wouldn't put 2 + 2 together ??

Phil works for you and is charged by the ftc , but its just a coincidence that your also known as reflected ?

ANYONE is innocent until proven guilty , but looking out for your interests is just a no-brainer

There are not 2 companies doing business as reflected.net, I encourage you to read our other post. Is it a coincidence? Not at all. Companies buy each other all the time, you just have to draw a line in time between when reflected.net was in Vegas, and when it moved to Chicago.

Does the fact that we bought the name reflected.net mean that we are guilty of any spamming or sending emails with sexual content? No. Are we charged by the FTC, is our address listed, or our names mentioned? No. Please, take some time to educate yourself by reading the FTC's charges, or at least my other post where I explain what has happened.

We're working to have "WTFRC, Inc. D/B/A/ Reflected Networks, Inc." at least updated to "WTFRC, Inc. FORMERLY KNOWN AS Refleted Networks, Inc." on the FTC's charges, but whether or not they update it, it is NOT our company.

I reiterate myself - my partner and I are not mentioned, and have no direct involvement in the case.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2005, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflected-dhb

There are not 2 companies doing business as reflected.net, I encourage you to read our other post. Is it a coincidence? Not at all. Companies buy each other all the time, you just have to draw a line in time between when reflected.net was in Vegas, and when it moved to Chicago.

Does the fact that we bought the name reflected.net mean that we are guilty of any spamming or sending emails with sexual content? No. Are we charged by the FTC, is our address listed, or our names mentioned? No. Please, take some time to educate yourself by reading the FTC's charges, or at least my other post where I explain what has happened.

We're working to have "WTFRC, Inc. D/B/A/ Reflected Networks, Inc." at least updated to "WTFRC, Inc. FORMERLY KNOWN AS Refleted Networks, Inc." on the FTC's charges, but whether or not they update it, it is NOT our company.

I reiterate myself - my partner and I are not mentioned, and have no direct involvement in the case.

I have read all the charges from the ftc site.

ANYONE would come to the conclusion its reflected.net . I appreciate your concern if your innocent , but dont blame me for stating the correlation , you should take that up with the ftc..

What your saying is shortly after phil *allegedly spammed reflected to death he sold it to you and now works for the same company he sold it too ? Confusing to say the least ??

http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14923

spam complaint with your domains listed as recently as july ??

Im not saying YOUR guilty or even that PHIL is guilty im just saying its not as cut and clear as you make it sound.

reflected-dhb · 01-13-2005, 01:05 PM

Quote:

What your saying is shortly after phil *allegedly spammed reflected to death he sold it to you and now works for the same company he sold it too ? Confusing to say the least ??

http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14923

spam complaint with your domains listed as recently as july ??

I see the listing on ROSKO that you're referring to (http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094), and I think this was covered by other people in an earlier post - the listing for July, 2004, was Phil asking on a common ISP bulletin board about a point-to-point T1. Anyone can find that by googling, it's not spam, it was a legitimate business request. It's probably on ROSKO because they wanted to show an updated email address for Phil, who was formerly known by them as an employee of Five Elements.

So...
Was the hahahahahaha at the same domain? Yes. Was it spam? No.
Date of listing in ROSKO: July 2004
Date we bought reflected: November 2004
Difference: 4 months
Therefore... my company? No.

If anyone else has questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Smokey, thanks for sharing your opinion.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2005, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflected-dhb

I see the listing on ROSKO that you're referring to (http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094), and I think this was covered by other people in an earlier post - the listing for July, 2004, was Phil asking on a common ISP bulletin board about a point-to-point T1. Anyone can find that by googling, it's not spam, it was a legitimate business request. It's probably on ROSKO because they wanted to show an updated email address for Phil, who was formerly known by them as an employee of Five Elements.

So...
Was the hahahahahaha at the same domain? Yes. Was it spam? No.
Date of listing in ROSKO: July 2004
Date we bought reflected: November 2004
Difference: 4 months
Therefore... my company? No.

If anyone else has questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Smokey, thanks for sharing your opinion.

I see your point , but my quote is still a valid question. Phil spammed on reflected.net in july
http://www.webservertalk.com/archive...-7-329391.html
sold the company to you , but he still works for you ??

Again i think you need to understand i'm not saying your guilty or that even phil is guilty , im just saying the facts are facts

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...n&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Rui · 01-13-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackToMine

drop it like a hot rod

amen ;)

Lots of other more stable options on the block anyway so why worry

BTW funny to see their ads for Reflected Networks and Signup4Cash are still rotating in GFY

SmokeyTheBear · 01-13-2005, 01:59 PM

If you alos notice reflected.net and phil has been getting flagged as recent as 3 weeks ago..

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=reflected.net

If i were you i would get a lawyer to sue all those people.

reflected-dhb · 01-13-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

BTW funny to see their ads for Reflected Networks and Signup4Cash are still rotating in GFY

The ad is still rotating... because I still pay the bill...

rebel23 · 01-13-2005, 02:35 PM

phil is a good guy and reflected networks are obviously a top notch hosting company and I dont honestly see why they should suffer because some government agency has decided to issue charges against him

DOES IT MEAN HE'S GUILTY?

no, it doesn't.

rebel23 · 01-13-2005, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

If you alos notice reflected.net and phil has been getting flagged as recent as 3 weeks ago..

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=reflected.net

If i were you i would get a lawyer to sue all those people.

yes smokey those pricks even accuse DirectNIC of spamming LOL , I mean please.

Nasty · 01-13-2005, 02:51 PM

Reflected has provided me with top notch service and flaming fast bandwidth for quite some time, I have no complaints with them what so ever. Do an export of you db's and make some tar backups of your sites and download them if your worried, I do it every month or two on all my sites anyway, they are nice to have just in case and anyone running without backups is taking a huge risk.

Shoplifter · 01-13-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nasty

Reflected has provided me with top notch service and flaming fast bandwidth for quite some time, I have no complaints with them what so ever. Do an export of you db's and make some tar backups of your sites and download them if your worried, I do it every month or two on all my sites anyway, they are nice to have just in case and anyone running without backups is taking a huge risk.

Same here. We are not going anywhere.

Deb · 01-13-2005, 03:29 PM

Reflected's got my support as well.
Count me in as another satisfied customer with no plans to leave.

frankfortuna · 01-13-2005, 03:39 PM

We've got about 20 servers over there, so of course we had some concerns. Phil put me in touch with their attorney yesterday and I now fully understand the situation and have no concerns whatsoever. We will remain a satisfied Reflected customer.

TheGoldenChild · 01-13-2005, 04:10 PM

I'd love your business
no disrespect to reflected- but if ypu move try us out
:-)
see sig

[email protected]

d00t · 01-13-2005, 04:23 PM

I'm with reflected too and they have been great to me from Day 1.

Every business has its dramas and they only make the business stronger.
I see reflected surving this and being a stronger company on the other side.
And hey, as mentioned above - customers remaining loyal will not be forgotten.

Saying that, it's always good to have backups - no doubt about that. but you should have backups no matter what host you are with!

justsexxx · 01-13-2005, 04:25 PM

Well if I was you I would make daily backups, and prepare everything on a different server, so in case you can move...

Kimmykim · 01-13-2005, 04:28 PM

WTFRC, Inc

WTFRC is an interesting name for a company here in the states.

oscer · 01-13-2005, 04:41 PM

Trax if you need help all you have to do is hit me up and im sure we can help you with your situation

reflected-dhb · 01-13-2005, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d00t

I'm with reflected too and they have been great to me from Day 1.

Every business has its dramas and they only make the business stronger.
I see reflected surving this and being a stronger company on the other side.
And hey, as mentioned above - customers remaining loyal will not be forgotten.

Saying that, it's always good to have backups - no doubt about that. but you should have backups no matter what host you are with!

Thanks for all the love, everyone! You're right when you say we're stronger - we have a new relationship with Dell for servers, we're using premium bandwidth, and have significantly beefed up our NOC staff over the last month.

Again, if you have any questions whatsoever, you can feel free to write me at daniel at reflected dot net. As frankfortuna said, we have very good attorneys working on the case, and we (the owners of Reflected) are in no way involved in the suit.

DHB

reflected-dhb · 01-13-2005, 05:11 PM

Oh, and somebody did post it here, but my copy of our customer letter which I referred to above is here:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=reflected

WiredGuy · 01-13-2005, 05:13 PM

You should make a backup copy at the very least, not next week, but now. That I can assure you is a move you can never go wrong with.
WG

01-13-2005, 05:10 AM	#1
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	Reflected situation. Move? I've got an important site hosted over there with tons of databases and scripts that I don't know how to backup and stuff... when my server goes down this site is fucked BIG TIME. in their email they sent to customers they write that there is nothing to worry about because the shit effects two totally different companies but then again everyone is telling me to move. give me some input.

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01-13-2005, 07:15 AM	#7
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01-13-2005, 07:54 AM	#10
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01-13-2005, 08:03 AM	#12
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01-13-2005, 05:24 AM	#2
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	Move your shit, and move it fast. They obviously are telling you everything is fine because they dont want you to move. Remember they just sold a month ago to servercentral. Remember donnie Gangsta saying how they were simply rolling along like biz as usual? then they sell out, and now the current ftc shit? I personally would take my shit and run. This is just my opinion of course.

01-13-2005, 07:02 AM	#4
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	Any more comments? I just have been in contact with the script writer and was able to backup everything... now what should I do more... should I have that domain setup on another box of mine as well so that in case the machine is down I just have to change the DNS or is it even possible to have the website running on several totally different companies so in case one goes down, the 2nd one takes care of the traffic? keep in mind I'm a tech/server newbie

01-13-2005, 07:12 AM	#6
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	I don't really need host recommendations... I know which hosts work or don't work for my project.

01-13-2005, 07:19 AM	#8
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	so is what I have in mind above possible?? I am pretty damn sure it is... just want to go the save way here

01-13-2005, 07:24 AM	#9
BackToMine Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 541	drop it like a hot rod

01-13-2005, 07:57 AM	#11
BackToMine Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 541	Move to ISPrime

01-13-2005, 08:10 AM	#13
Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	If it matters to you, I'd say move or have a mirrored rig set up at another host and then if things are cool later you can always move back to them..

01-13-2005, 08:16 AM	#14
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	tar everything up and copy it to another server immediately

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01-13-2005, 10:09 AM	#17
XSV Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cybercave. Posts: 1,214	Trax, Make a tar backup and send the login info to MikeW at [email protected] and we will put it on one of our backup servers for you at no cost until you have a better idea of what is going on with Reflected. - Matt __________________ Managed - E3 QC 2 x 500 GB SSD's / 32 GB RAM / 100 Mbps On Gig Port + 10 TB CDN Traffic $299/mo NEW MANAGED 10 TB CDN SERVERS FROM $199 PER MONTH - 50% Off Trial Code: AMNOCDEAL DIY DEAL: Unmanaged Root Server Plans - 50% OFF For Life! • Windows + Linux • Coupon Code: SUMMERDED16

01-13-2005, 10:42 AM	#19
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	I dont know , but i def think its very very shady that they would put a disclaimer on their front page claiming its a different reflected, even though one of the people charged is FROM GFY and promotes reflected using his reflected.net email account, offers hosting deals for reflected and is listed as an employee of reflected, and is known as phil from reflected.net. Now im not saying they are guilty im just saying it seems shady they would lie. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-13-2005, 11:28 AM	#21
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	I have a solution for you: SplitInfinity will set up a server for you exactly like your one there is for FREE. If there is a problem you can switch to us immediately. Obviously we could not just let it sit forever, but it surely would get you secured and safe in the case you need to jump ship. Anyone else need this kind of help? Call my cell, 619-227-8845 Chris Jester

01-13-2005, 11:32 AM	#23
NaughtyRob Two fresh affiliate progs Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Inside teen pussy Posts: 29,602	They are fine. My sites are all good. Stick with them. Dear Robert Ferrara, We are writing you to provide you with an update about the recent press from the FTC regarding Reflected Networks. As you can imagine, the events of the last few days have generated a high volume of inquiries from customers and other interested parties. We'd like to take this opportunity to explain to you a bit about what has transpired. As you may remember from the last email we sent, Reflected Networks changed hands of ownership last November. Substantially, the brand name, certain assets (i.e. servers) and the customer base were sold by Reflected Networks, Inc. of Nevada, to Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois. As part of the terms of the sale, the Nevada corporation was required to change its name to WTFRC, Inc. with the Secretary of State of Nevada. WTFRC, Inc. is not the same company as Reflected Networks, and WTFRC, Inc. does NOT conduct business as Reflected Networks, Inc. For verification purposes, this information is publicly available by visiting the Secretary of State's offices in the States of Illinois and Nevada online and conducting a few name searches: http://www.sos.state.il.us/CorpSearchWeb/corpsrch.html http://www.sos.state.nv.us/begin.asp We, the new owners of Reflected.net, do not belong to any affiliate programs, are not involved in any SPAM operations, and do not permit such operations to take place within our network. Most importantly, we'd like to reassure you that it will remain business as usual at Reflected.net. Our attorneys have been in touch with the FTC, and are working to get the inaccurate information stricken from the caption of charges (the part that says d/b/a/ Reflected Networks, Inc. under WTFRC, Inc.). The FTC will NOT be confiscating, seizing, or shutting off our servers, or our customer's servers. You'll also notice the WHOIS information for the domain reflected.net has been updated, as well as the contact info for our IP blocks. Since most of you work with Phil on a frequent basis you'd probably like to understand a bit about his involvement in WTFRC, Inc. and his role at Reflected here in Chicago. Phil was a minority shareholder in the old Reflected (now WTFRC, Inc.) of Nevada. When we purchased the Reflected brand and customers, we retained Phil as the director of operations, but he is neither a principal nor an officer of the company. It is important you understand that the allegations brought against WTFRC Inc. and Phil Doroff are purely of a civil nature, and not criminal - and that NO charges are filed against the Reflected Networks with which you conduct your business. In simple terms, the FTC is currently seeking monetary restitution, not jail time from the defendants, and the actions will not impact the high quality service we provide. If you wish to read any of the FTC's filings, they are publicly available here: http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0423168/0423168.htm. Again, it will continue to be business as usual here at Reflected - hopefully you got to meet us at Internext in Las Vegas, and of course we'll be in Miami this summer. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to contact us with questions regarding your service with us. Warm Regards, Dan Brosk and Jordan Lowe Owners Reflected Networks, Inc. __________________ [email protected] Skype: 17026955414 Vacares Web Hosting - Protect Your Ass with Included Daily Backups

01-13-2005, 11:34 AM	#24
Magg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ICQ: 132497047 Posts: 4,467	Im inclined to believe Daniel above, and think you should be fine with Reflected. The name was just thrown around because of previous involvment by Phil who was affiliated with Reflected. Id be willing to say you're safe where you are, and should stay.... If you are truly worried you can make a backup of your files (which you should have to begin with, FTC problems or no).

01-13-2005, 11:36 AM	#25
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	Well, there you have it. A responsible response from the owner. He put his neck out there and said what was up... I dont think I would worry personally.

01-13-2005, 11:36 AM	#26
BuckLover Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I'm everywhere Bitches!! Posts: 1,656	If it's still up, move that shit fast!

01-13-2005, 11:44 AM	#28
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094 http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK2235 Put that together with the YAHOO news stating reflected networks and phil together , then tell me anyone wouldn't put 2 + 2 together ?? Phil works for you and is charged by the ftc , but its just a coincidence that your also known as reflected ? ANYONE is innocent until proven guilty , but looking out for your interests is just a no-brainer __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-13-2005, 11:50 AM	#29
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	There was no flaming or anything meant when I started this thread... but I had a similair thing happen to me in the past which cost me a nice chunk of money. Therefore I just want to be sure, cuz when my server goes down or better... is taken offline I will surely have to kill someone on the next convention or whatever. Just want to clarify my point hehe

01-13-2005, 01:59 PM	#35
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	If you alos notice reflected.net and phil has been getting flagged as recent as 3 weeks ago.. http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=reflected.net If i were you i would get a lawyer to sue all those people. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

01-13-2005, 02:35 PM	#37
rebel23 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 817	phil is a good guy and reflected networks are obviously a top notch hosting company and I dont honestly see why they should suffer because some government agency has decided to issue charges against him DOES IT MEAN HE'S GUILTY? no, it doesn't. __________________ ICQ: 37378183

01-13-2005, 02:51 PM	#39
Nasty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sunny Fucking California Posts: 1,575	Reflected has provided me with top notch service and flaming fast bandwidth for quite some time, I have no complaints with them what so ever. Do an export of you db's and make some tar backups of your sites and download them if your worried, I do it every month or two on all my sites anyway, they are nice to have just in case and anyone running without backups is taking a huge risk. __________________ “Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living. If we continue to develop our technology without wisdom or prudence, our servant may prove to be our executioner.” ― Omar Bradley (1948)

01-13-2005, 03:29 PM	#41
Deb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Online somewhere, no doubt. Posts: 1,237	Reflected's got my support as well. Count me in as another satisfied customer with no plans to leave.

01-13-2005, 03:39 PM	#42
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	We've got about 20 servers over there, so of course we had some concerns. Phil put me in touch with their attorney yesterday and I now fully understand the situation and have no concerns whatsoever. We will remain a satisfied Reflected customer.

01-13-2005, 04:10 PM	#43
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	I'd love your business no disrespect to reflected- but if ypu move try us out :-) see sig [email protected] __________________ Last edited by TheGoldenChild; 01-13-2005 at 04:12 PM..

01-13-2005, 04:23 PM	#44
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	I'm with reflected too and they have been great to me from Day 1. Every business has its dramas and they only make the business stronger. I see reflected surving this and being a stronger company on the other side. And hey, as mentioned above - customers remaining loyal will not be forgotten. Saying that, it's always good to have backups - no doubt about that. but you should have backups no matter what host you are with!

01-13-2005, 04:25 PM	#45
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Well if I was you I would make daily backups, and prepare everything on a different server, so in case you can move... __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

01-13-2005, 04:28 PM	#46
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	WTFRC, Inc WTFRC is an interesting name for a company here in the states.

01-13-2005, 04:41 PM	#47
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01-13-2005, 05:11 PM	#49
reflected-dhb Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10	Oh, and somebody did post it here, but my copy of our customer letter which I referred to above is here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=reflected

01-13-2005, 05:13 PM	#50
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,503	You should make a backup copy at the very least, not next week, but now. That I can assure you is a move you can never go wrong with. WG __________________ I play with Google.