Va2k

Do you have a child that is adhd? My 5 year old was diagnose with it 3 days ago they gave him 7.5 Mg's of adderall well yesterday morning at 8:30Am I gave it to him, At 9:11AM he comes to me tells me he wants his heart to stop beeping ( "beating he was trying to say" ) It was beating very fast and heard, and that his head hurt along with his tummy. I hugged him and tole him to go play games and I sat beside him and watched him..

Well a hour went by he was getting worse started itching ( " no hives") and was scared to come out of his room... I offered him ice cream, Candy, cereal all 3 his fav things that he would just stop everything he was doing to get them.. he said NO he did not want to leave! That went on for 4 hours Finlay got him to go to my moms and play some AOL games he got so upset started crying on the games he has beating the day before slamming his fist down saying he wanted to kill these fish OH and he was a zombie most of the day..

well at around 520PM he crashed and was throwing fits of rage screaming everything then all of a sudden at 6pm he was back to his so called normal self.. At 4:00PM I called the doc, they said the same thing they would always say, don't give him anymore and bring him in at 10:30am today, well at 9:30am I had a conference with IEP( "its a case study with his teachers and the schools shrink") they are holding off on doing anything till we get the right meds for him, but I'M TO COME TO SCHOOL everyday starting Monday( " Provided this hurricane don't fuck us up") at 11:20am till around 1:00PM and sit with him at lunch and in a group in his class ARGH#$% so went to the doc's they gave him 18mgs of strattera His normal doc wasn't there so we had to see this idiot doc!

First thing out of his mouth was FIRST WE DON'T OPEN THE BLINDS and had a attitude from hell! I go over what me and his doc did day before yesterday and he said my sons insurance will only pay for the adderall so he gives me these samples of strattars.. GOD DAMN what a week I've lost 2 days of work cause of this shit and I feel its going to get worse before it gets better!

Soooooo first, sorry for long story just doing a lot of venting since my mom has a severe headache I cant go talk to her and their mother is too stupid to understand whats going on...


Now my question is since you have a child or children that are adhd what is the best way to go on this? Should I cont trying to drug my son up? Or should I take him out of school for the rest of the year and try to work on this myself? Is there anything else that can be done that hasn't been told to me?


Now I know the school gets a ton more of money if they have kids that are mental and drugged, so I fig that is why his school is wanting him on it.. I know the doc's get money for the same thing.
If I was on welfare I would get even more money THIS IS FUCKING CRAZY I've learned all this from searching the net. I've read and read till my eyes feel like they are bleeding I'M AT MY LAST STRAW... Its going to be a late night cause I HAVE TO Get this work Ive got done.. I've had to cancel a shoot cause of this cause my son has been home all week.. YOU FUCKING THINK THEIR MOTHER COULD TRY TO HELP??? FUCK THAT C*NT

So any advice would be welcomed! Thanks again and sorry for long winded post

TOM

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Pleasurepays

wow. that really sucks. i am very sorry to hear that.

I am not a big believer in ADHD unless you know EXACTLY what the cause is. It can be dietary. It can be many things. It's scary how fast doctors are to give something a new name and perscribe a pill for it which could also ruin the childs life.

I would see another doctor.

spankstrocko

Tom,

Take a look into some natural remedies to help your son.

I swear these will work...you just have to be consistent with them.

Omega-3 fish oils High doses. Try Coromega brand, it tastes good.

Do a general search for natural remedies.

Good luck

Spankstrocko

rocki

my nephew has ADD and ADHD... those drugs are supposed to calm him down if he truely has that disorder... i'd get a second opinion or maybe the dosage is just too high for him...

Va2k

Yea no shit, I was told that the same test they do for adhd is almsot the same for the iq test... Grrrrrr I've read horry stories where kids have died on adderall or ritalin or moxetine I don't know what to do where to go on this.. I sure the hell don't want to have a zombie for a son... I gave him his first dose of strattera 30 mins ago on a full belly hoping things go well on this.. it would be nice if this drug does work *shrugs* So reason I came here I know a lot of webmasters have kids so hoping some know about adhd

Tom

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i agree... my sister is trying to get her son off adderall... a drug is a drug not matter what it is for and will have long term side effects on your child... if you can go natural then do it...

Rich

Very sad, I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck to you and your child.

What did he do to get diagnosed? Please keep him off the drugs, ADHD is a sick scam. A young child should not be taking these mind altering drugs because teachers/guidance counselors don't like his attitude. Especially drugs that have no long term testing.

Let them do a drug test and show you where your kids has anything wrong with him before doping them up because some guy wants a nicer boat from the pharmaceutical company he's pushing this week. Because some teacher would rather give your kid a pill then deal with the fact that he doesn't listen to her.

Read about the amount of kids who commit suicide on these drugs.

stocktrader23

ADD / ADHD is one of the most misdiagnosed things ever. If it were up the the doctors 60% of all kids would be drugged up because they have a disorder.

Look at the natural fixes for it. There is nothing good with those medications.

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Pleasurepays

i would get more opinions and look for natural remedies as someone suggested. at least you are not putting your child at harm. i am not a hippy and generally think thats not a good solution for all health problems, but i think that this is almost always something that is dietary or can be corrected by changing diet. a kid can get too much sugar consistently and become hypoglycemic with severe swings in blood sugar and exibit the same symptoms for example. drop the sugar and he goes back to normal. there are many possibilities.

its scary how fast a doctor will write a kid off and give him pills for everything. i hate seeing that.

SykkBoy

My oldest son has Selective Mutism which is somewhat similar
I'm very anti-medicating
we're working through positive reinforcement and change of diet like omega 3's (as mentioned above) and it's helped a little, but he still has the anxiety disorder

I'm afraid meds would stunt his creative growth as well I have concerns over long term effects at medicating at such a young age.

Here's a kid, that at home is loud, plays with his friends, is an amazing computer gamer, can figure out things quickly like programming a VCR and DVD player, but simply can't talk in school or public settings with a lot of people around. This isn't "shyness" it's an anxiety disorder that is similar to stagefright..I've observed him in class when he's unaware I'm there and can see him white knuckle when he is asked to speak.

It's something we've dealt with for a couple years now and are making small amounts of progress. He orders his own ice cream from the ice cream truck now and will whisper in my ear when in public with a lot of adults (he's fine at a place like Chuck E Cheese). I feel the progress we've made has been slow but better than just pumping him full of medication just so he'll talk to his teacher or his friends in school (which he won't do even though he'll sleep over at their houses and play with them regularly outside of school).

My advice is to just be there for your kid and work on things like diet, calming exercises, etc. That's just my personal opinion and not a medical opinion....

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We had the same problem when my step-son was put on Adderall.....we believe he has bi-polar disorder, which is commonly misdiagnosed as ADHD because the symptoms are so similar, and stimulant medication, as well as anti-depressants, make bipolar kids cycle faster. Unfortunately, no one wants to diagnose a child with bipolar disorder, since ADHD is so much more "common" and mainstream almost. So, we make due. The most important things are: consistency and routine. These kids get very emotional and stressed out when they don't know what is going on or what to expect. Make a chart with his schedule, and if he's old enough to tell time, use it consistenly to prompt him to "go see" what's next. In time, he will know what is next and will feel secure because he does know what to expect. Have him help make it, so he has a sense of control over it, and he is less likely to be angry later because he doesn't agree with the routine. (Don't allow him to run the show, but let him express himself and take it into consideration. Just make sure he understnds that you value his input, but the final decision is yours, as the parent.) Same thing with a rules/consequences chart. My step-son, Kris, is much less likely to argue about a discipline when it's the CHART that decided it, not me, and it is a chart HE helped make. Try to be as consistent as possible, with consequences and routines. Break up tasks into manageable chunks, and give him one chunk at a time, to reduce the chance that he'll get frustrated, or forget what he is doing. Try to help him stay focused by removing distractions when he is doing homework, or other important tasks. Have a conference with his teacher and explain that medication is not something you feel comfortable with, but you feel that with the two most important influences in his life working together to teach him how to function, andf prosper, despite his problems, he will be successful. Focus on his strengths, and encourage him by praising his efforts...even if he falls short of the goal, if you can see he is trying, always encourage him. Teach him that he has advantages over other "normal" kids, in that kids who have these issues are usually more creative, and energetic. Get him involved in a sport that moves quickly....baseball was a big failure with my Kris...there were too many lags and he would lose interest in the game. Once he got hit in the eye with the ball b/c he was staring into space. These kids do take more attention, time, and energy than most other kids, and there are times when you will want to stick your head in a hole for a few hours, but he's worth it...and teaching him how to be productive in spite of his issues, and possibly even use them to his advantage, will be the biggest gift you can give him in the future.
Medication can be the answer in some cases. I feel that, if you are diabetic, you take insulin, and if my child needs medication to help him have a better childhood, so be it. In our case, it wsn't possible, so we looked at other solutions. If you are not comfortable with medication, the teachers can kiss your ass...you are his parent, and they only have him for a year-you are responsible for him for much longer than that, so they need to respect your decision.
Anyway....I've dealt with some nasty things...he's kicked holes in the walls in a rage....threatened the rest of us, and lots of other little crises (WTF is the past tense of crisis? lol) so if you need an ear, feel free to hit me up.
Good luck!

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Va2k

Well it started when he was around 2 he was always hyper it got worse etc... He went to headstart when he was 4 years old for 8 hours a day did pretty damn good then in July is when we lost the house and are living where we are now. His first day of school he was running around not listing I got called, he came home and I did not give him his way and he through the worse fit I have ever in my life seen the screams that came from him was omg was horrid.. the next day I get a call to come pick him up cause he hit two kids.. They wanted to suspended him HE IS ONLY 5 in Kindergarden I talked them out of that so it wont be on his record..

He told me he was play fighting like his cousins who are 8 and are twins do and he didnt really hit them.. I took him home Monday comes I get a call come pick him up he is being suspended for biting( IM LIKE WTF MY KID DON'T BITE) I called my mom to go with me to help me calm down I told the princaple to get all his things im pulling him out of school their school sucked and don't know how to handle my kid ( this was over the phone)

we get there I picked my kid up and asked did you bite HE Said NO daddy I played bite and showed me. My mom asked the nurse was there any marks on the other kid NO was there any red marks NO the chimpmonk looking whore of a princaple said its against the law for another child to touch another child without their parents permission.. IM LIKE WTF SO They then procedded to tell me his medical records werent upto date and I needed to take him to the docs which I did Tuesday and was telling the Doc everything OH ALSO my son can not stop moving around and is always touching everything will interrupt people will shout anwsers out before the question is even anwsered all tale tale signs of adhd SO that is how he was found to have it..


sorry for the bad spelling trying to do my 8 year olds sons homework and able to type while he is writting.

THanks to everyone that has input if anyone else has any PLEASE let me know if you dont want to post on the board about it [email protected] is email 102112 is icq Thanks

TOm

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Keep up the faith brother, I'm sure this is very stressful.

mindoza

I have ADD...as a child my parent refused medication...I was extremely smart. my teachers worked with me and I learned to work around my problems...As an adult I just could not take it anymore so i started to take strattera...I take 80 mg and I am a different person in a sence..I could not be more pleased with the drug but I do caution that if you can work on your kids problems with out the drugs do it for as long as you can

GOOD LUCK!!!!

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PersianKitty

My 20 year old son was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 6. At that time the drug that was used was Ritalin. We ramped him up on it meaning we started with a small dose and gave that to him for several days and then slowly increased the dosage until and just until it did what it was supposed to. It worked fine for him through gradeschool.

When he entered junior high, adderall came out. We dropped the ritalin and started him on adderall. Once again we ramped him up..giving him small doses for several days before increasing slowly. We found in both cases that my son didn't need alot of the medicine and that often 1/4th or 1/2 a pill more was the difference between it working and him being a total zombie.

At the age of 16, he began to refuse to take the meds. He claimed he couldn't be himself. Yet when he did take them, what his friends said was different was that he actually did work in school. Without them he struggled and I helped him the best I could through the rest of high school.

Even today I think he would benefit from a least a light dosage. When he was taking the meds it was for school only. He was never a problem at home so I didn't have him take it on the weekends, weeknights or during the summer months. The first few weeks before each school year, he'd start taking it again but always by starting with a small amount.

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Omg First Thank you everyone I really feel as im sitting here spinning in circles.. I read and read one kid sounds 90% like my son then another one sounds even a little more like him.. Let me see if I can break it down.

SykkBoy2
( Here's a kid, that at home is loud, plays with his friends, is an amazing computer gamer, can figure out things quickly like programming a VCR and DVD player, but simply can't talk in school or public settings with a lot of people around. This isn't "shyness" it's an anxiety disorder that is similar to stagefright..I've observed him in class when he's unaware I'm there and can see him white knuckle when he is asked to speak.)

THIS IS ANTHONY to a tee almost At 4 years old he beat smb video game then the next game etc... at 5 he is playing tripeaks its a aol card game and he wins very damn smart when it comes to computers etc.. just like my oldest who is in reg class but has to goto special class 15 hrs per week for reading and grammar( like father like son eh? )
I feel im at school more then the kids are I do the same thing I'll get in my car and sneak around peak in the windows or door just to look.. only thing really different from your child is Anthony will go up to anyone and talk to them I dont care how much I give him time out He orders his own food he is very independent and will let you know this as well. BUT in class he is always getting out of his seat was told today he put his chair on top of a table and was going to get up on it and he likes to hide under the tables .. I know when he gets into trouble or embarrased he smiles and before this week I was like WTF YOU LAUGHING YOU THINK THIS IS FUNNY!!! *shrugs* Thanks for the post bro
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( These kids get very emotional and stressed out when they don't know what is going on or what to expect.)

This is Anthony and always saying sorry or when I really get on him he will say you are not my friend NEVER SAID THE I HATE YOU thank god... or he will be a sad face and mumble you want to kill me.. THAT FLOORS me and it did upset me for the first 3 or 4 times he pulled that and each time I would explain he can be the worse child in the world I would still love him *shrugs*

After reading tons on adhd I know the reward system works well and the time out.. I have got to learn and it started this week NOT TO YELL or spank or talk down to him IN ANY WAY shape or form. Your chart idea is awesome and was thinking about doing something like that with a notebook but I love your idea better.. Later on if you do not mind I would like to icq you and go over what should be on a chart and what should i expect etc.. ONLY if it wont bother you or make you late in any work you got going on. THANK YOU SO MUCH
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mindoza
(I have ADD...as a child my parent refused medication...)
bro or broette I swear to god when I was in 3rd grade they said the same to me and had my mom put me on rit it bounched me off the walls and she refused any more meds.. IM 31 years old and after reading everything I have on this adhd I AM convinced that I have a bad case of it.. A few things really stand out twards it for me as in, I hate being around people

If I goto gathering say hell like vegas I HAVE TO HAVE Pain pills either percects or vicoding or tylenol 3's and of course I have drink long island ice tea's like a fish breaths water! I hate being around people, I am always multytasking cause I get bored very easy adn a TONS OF other things I would not like to go into at the moment. Very weird man very very weird... Thanks for your input.
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(When he was taking the meds it was for school only. He was never a problem at home so I didn't have him take it on the weekends, weeknights or during the summer months. The first few weeks before each school year, he'd start taking it again but always by starting with a small amount.)


When they first told me he had adhd that was my first thought and still is my thought. My son yea is hyper at home runs around plays with my sisters kids and his brother and really isnt a problem unless im trying to take a nap cause of a headache he likes to jump on me when I do that.. I sure wished I would of asked this doc today about that but he was a real ass.. He did say Anthony wont be able to be on them type of drugs cause of the reaction and I will agree with that I DONT EVER want to see my son OR ANY kids go through what he did yesterday.. Thank you ma'am for your imput as well
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Thank you all from the bottom of my heart this is helping more then anyone prolly even knows.. Im still lost and my head is still going round and round Thank you again

TOM

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ElvisManson

Hey Tom.

Getting good information is the first step in helping you kid.

Start with this book. It was written by 2 Doctors that have ADHD.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...058406-1069523


I have ADHD and reading this book helped to put things into perpective for me.

Hope this helps.

Va2k

kick ass will get it tomorrow at the bookstore here,
thanks so much.. Looks like a great read
Tom

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Sly

Too many kids are drugged up these days. In so many cases drugs are just a "band-aid", masking the symptoms of problems but never really addressing the problem at hand.

Good luck Tom. Keep reading, I think I would do whatever it takes to keep my kid off pills.

TheMob

sorry to hear about that. i would definitely read about it some more..

chase

Tom, anytime you need me, man, I'll be here. My husband and I have gone through the same stuff with Kris-he says horrible things about himself if he is criticized at all, and part of us gets mad and feels manipulated by it and the other part wants to convince him he is wrong. He is his own worst critic, seriously, and it's really, really hard to discipline a child like that b/c you have to let them know they are wrong, but their self-esteem is so fragile that it's like walking on eggshells. He is so friggin smart, but he requires hand-holding to get anything done...it's like when he's left to figure out how to do something his brain just doesn't know where to start and so he either does nothing, or gets distracted by something else. We can't have a serious conversation without him bringing something completely off topic up, so we have so steer him back to the subject at hand. It is A LOT harder to parent a child like this, but you ARE NOT ALONE. Always remember that, and if you need me, no matter the time or how much time you need, I'll be here. I'm so new at this that I still spend most of my time trying to figure out the best way to do stuff, rather than doing stuff, lolol.
BTW, my husband has ADHD, and his ex, Kris' mom, has bi-polar disorder. I don't know if you read my thread about the pot-smoking and how we just quit b/c social services got involved, but that is a huge part of why he smoked.....self-medicating b/c we have no insurance for him to get actual medication. He's been clean for two days now and he's driving ME crazy b/c he's so antsy and jumpy. Point being, had he been diagnosed as a child, and taught how to work around his disorder, he would most likely be better able to function sans medication or marijuana, so think about the advantages Anthony will have because you are so committed to helping him reach his potential. Good Daddy!

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LadyMischief

Wow sorry to hear about it Tom, you will get through it.. ALthough you might want to see a specialist and get a second opinion. A lot of cases where children are diagnosed with ADHD, their problem isn't ADHD, but undetected food allergies, often to food dyes, preservatives and other alergens... The alergic reaction is almost identical and pretty much indistinguishable from ADHD. My daughter has allergies to Red food coloring, and when she eats it, she's mental for 3 days. Make sure to rule out those allergies before you allow them to medicate your child, because if all it takes is a simple diet change, it can save you years of grief. Good luck man.

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SykkBoy

Wow, Tom, my son's name is Anthony as well (named after Anthony Keidis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers because my wife wouldn't let me name him Flea ;-))

My son tends to get angry easily as well
while he's good at picking things up, he gets really whiny and throws tantrums if he loses....

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(He is so friggin smart, but he requires hand-holding to get anything done...it's like when he's left to figure out how to do something his brain just doesn't know where to start and so he either does nothing, or gets distracted by something else. We can't have a serious conversation without him bringing something completely off topic up, so we have so steer him back to the subject at hand.)

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My god that is Anthony once shown HE WILL BEAT IT as for distracted that statment sent shivers through out my body... Anthony is Just like that he will take his eyes and stare out to space till I manualy grab him by the head and turn his head so his eyes are looking into mine... and he will repeat like I will ask you know that was bad that you did this He will be I was bad but wont tell me 80% of the time why he was bad...

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my husband has ADHD, and his ex, Kris' mom, has bi-polar disorder. I don't know if you read my thread about the pot-smoking and how we just quit b/c social services got involved, but that is a huge part of why he smoked.....self-medicating b/c we have no insurance for him
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self medicating ha ha ha so freaking true... Im too scared to try street drugs now adays and DONT need Social service agian in my life.. The doc in 98 started me on pain pills for my anx and head aches and from there on its been A bitch I don't need or want them when EVERYTHING IS GOING FINE which is rare but as soon as something goes wrong or iM late on a project or the kids or anything first thing I do is run and run like a fat slob back to the pain meds wow
I will hit ya up on icq in a few prolyl within 30 to 60 mins if your online DONT WAIT FOR ME please I need to go to the store get more smokes freaking smoked 4 packs today my chest is killing me and I didtn even relize How much I smoked.. I may take the kids and just drive to the beach not get out of course but just drive for a few mins to clear my head...

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but undetected food allergies, often to food dyes, preservatives and other alergens... The alergic reaction is almost identical and pretty much indistinguishable from ADHD. My daughter has allergies to Red food coloring, and when she eats it, she's mental for 3 days.


Very interesting Anthony 2 years ago stopped breathing and his heart was only beating 15 beats per secs when I looked in on him. I think I told ya this before but he had the flu and got dehydrated cause he couldnt keep nothing down and it happened so fast being a paramedic like I was I was always checking in on him and forcing popcycles down his throat then his pot was way down from the heart not beating and no o2 I gave him cpr got him back took him to hospital they called an ambulance and transported him 30 mins from their place to the kids hospital after that I found he was alerg to Penicillian, some sort of fruit stuff that was in this one type of apple juice and now adderall

Screw this with everyone telling me their story seeing my kid in a lot of the people here I WILL DO AS YOU SAID FIRST Thing in the morning iM going to find a specialist tell him/her what is and has been going on and see from there damn damn damn bbl giong to store

Thank you alll so much again I knew comming to gfy with this many webmasters somone even if it was one person but somone had or has been going through this... Personal or not ya know who your true friends are when things like this happen and I have made some new friends as well.

Thanks again
TOM

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well I was going to leave without looking but DAMN Very weird I was going to name Anthony Sebastian from a hurricane that was due to hit in Sebastian FL and plus Skid row which was a great band very weird indeed...


as for while he's good at picking things up, he gets really whiny and throws tantrums if he loses

AMEN he hates to lose or be defeated at all

Thanks
TOM

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Interesting-both my daughters throw up when they get red food coloring. My SIL forgot and gave my 1yo red Kool-Aid and she barfed like there was no tomorrow.

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HammerTime33

Sorry I did not read all the responces but from what I have read alot of them are giving you good advice. But to put my .02 in my son was diagnosed when he was 8 and they prescrobed him 1.5 mg not 7.5 so maybe that was a misprint..

I took him off of it after a few short weeks, I did my own research and found that the mediceine was in the same drug class as cocaine, whicjh may be cool for some is NOT for my 8 year old son. He is 13 now and is doing just fine they do grow out f it.

Havoc_on_fire

I am on Strattera and love it... I was diagnosed with ADD as a child but was very active which helped to level me out. Went into the Marines and was fine for those 4 years. But now that I am out I noticed that my concentration level was alot less than it used to be because I am not nearly as active as I have been. So I went to see my Doctor about it and she put me on Strattera and now I am back to normal.

The biggest thing is that ADD or ADHD is an illness. Which can be regulated by diet and excercise. The biggest thing you need to remember that this drug is a stimulant kind of like speed. Meaning that if you grabbed one of those pills it would give you quite a boost. But for someone with ADD or ADHD it boosts them up to the level with normal people.

So if your son was significantly boosted its probably because he doesn't have ADD or ADHD, he is normal. The easiest way to tell is if it boosts him up above the normal level. I would definetly say he is misdiagnosed.

One of my nephew's friends was having alot of problems in school and I noticed that he had alot of the same symptoms as me when Im not on the medicine. So, I brought him to my doctor who sent him to a specialist which they found he had ADHD with bipolar tendencies.

He is on Adderall(sp?) and it hasn't had any side effects of making him be over energized "jumping off the walls" because he actually has ADHD. So, my suggestion is to go to another doctor and make sure they run full tests. Because from my observation I would say that he is misdiagnosed.

These drugs are only meant to make you normal not make your heart start beating a million miles an hour or give you so much energy you are jumping off the walls.

Just my 2 cents....

Va2k

Hey Hammer, you were prolly on the Adderall XR which is 1.5mg he was given d-amphetamine salt combo 7.5 mg tab which is 7.5 mg adderall Its on the bottle and if you goto google you will see the lowest dose of this form is 5mg which the doc said today as well which now to think of it wtf didnt they start him off at 5mgs. One of the sever reactions is rapid heart rate *shrugs*

as of tonight from the first dose of strattra 18 mg which I thought wasnt to start working within 3 to 6 weeks I have seen a complete turn around to a point. what I mean is normaly when I say no turn the games off or time for bed he freaks and starts crying he didnt do that tonight Nor when he was playing his game cube he wasnt standing and flinching and jumping up and down he sat down and played..

MAYBE ITS hopful thinking, but TOMORROW first thing in the morning IM going to call around and find somone who deals in nothing but adhd type of kids and start out with the day he was born up to now with that doc. thanks for the input and advice everyones advice is very helpfull

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Havoc_on_fire

when did you start seeing a difference on Strattera?

Tom

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wyldblyss

Well, here goes. My pediatrian, someone who I respect very much was strongly against drugs for children for this disorder unless there were extreme circumstances and they were older.

Please don't hate me here....but he believed...and I do also...that the problem most of the time is a behavior problem and also the need to be more active.

I have to admit my son was spoiled although at the time I did not want to admit it. I worked on that and I also made sure that he got plenty of exercise.

No, he was not perfect, and yes there were problems along the way. The end result though is that he learned to control his behavior, he learned to cope and he did so without drugs. He is a teen now and doing very well in school, he is very well behaved and I am glad that we pulled together as a family and found a way to do it without drugs.

I would recommend talking to someone about natural remedies, giving him plenty of exercise and also being firm about unacceptable behavior.

Va2k

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wyldblyss I would never be offended or mad at somone offering advice even if it was right or wrong.. I agree I dont really want my kid on drugs and at 5 but damn talking to the school the doc's seeing it living it being single and no help from their mom I broke down and gave in after it was confirmed by his doc and ONLY REASON I Felt comfy from this doc she told me her daughter is adhd and went through this.. I regret very much that my baby had to go through what he did yesterday it tears me up..

Hell I HAVE not eaten one piece of food today at all which is NOT NORMAL the thought of food is making me sick to my tummy my head is spinning and hurts I've freaking basicly stoped my life Monday when I decided to take him to the docs Tue.. I am so damn down on myself right now all the times I've yelled, cussed, spanked smacked my baby and now I find out he may have had NO controll over this and dont know better..

The thought of having a kid with a mental problem is bothering the hell out of me I know there is a lot worse that could of happen, he could be dead, or any number of worse things that kids go through.. My mom keeps telling me leave it in the past maybe tomorrow I will wake up different feeling but right now all I keep harping on and thinking about is everytime I've yelled and spanked him for being bad.. Me losing my temper from stress taking it out on him don't get me wrong never abused my kids but what if instead of me yelling or spanking him if I knew about this when it was happing if I would of just talked or had him on a reward program anything but yelling..

from the things ive read yelling and spanking is the worse thing you can do to a child that is adhd it makes it worse and I wonder if I MADE HIM WORSE.. Grant it he is only 5 but kids NEVER forget I dont want to be the one that caused him low self esteme shit like that grrrr I really really hope when I do wake up tomorrow I will feel different. This is really flooring the hell out of me. I can deal with things that happen to me but when it comes to my kids jezz sorry for blabbering its 1034 have to be up at 5 to get my oldest to school so going to call it a night.

I've said it all day and I truly mean it from the bottom of my heart THANK You each and everyone that has given me their input, given me their good luck sorry to hear this I really don't know what I would of done today if I didn't come to gfy and let it out via typing and viewing responses from everyone.

Like I said first thing in the morning I will find another doc that knows this in and out and will explain everything in depth. Maybe me and Anthony will get lucky maybe he don't have it maybe its something else *shrugs* wish there was like a blood test or xray you can get to know that a child does have this and they are 100% sure..

You all have a great night and hug ya kids

Tom

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Tom,

I'm sorry to hear about all this with your son!! My first advice is get him out of the public school. Chances are this "diagnosis" of ADHD is wrong (I don't believe such a thing exists at all...) and its easier for the teachers if the children are doped up.

I'd look at other causes... Maybe his classes aren't challenging enough for him or maybe the subject matter isn't interesting at all.

Either way, I think that what everyone has said on here (stay away from the drugs) is probably the best route....

Its funny, that when I was in school, the exact same behavior wasn't questioned..... it was almost normal.......

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My daughter suffers from sensory issues as well as some AD issues.

Doctors are very much not up to date on how to handle these (and other) problems.

One thing you have to watch out for - and may be the case with your child - is that the doctors prescribe stimulants.

It's "supposed" to stimulate the part of the brain that isn't functioning properly so the child can control their emotions and outbursts but so often it takes a LONG time to get the dosage correct and for some kids - it plain out backfires.

It's a long process - work closely with your doctors and I'd suggest working with a psychopharmacologist regarding medicines doctors prescribe for your children.

Public schools are not even close to being able to deal with kids with these (and other) issues. We send our daughter to
http://www.childrensinstitute.com .

They are one of a handful of schools that have the training and personel to deal with kids that need help. My wife's best friend lives in Chicago - but stays in Seattle during the school year so her son can attend.

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Hell I HAVE not eaten one piece of food today at all which is NOT NORMAL the thought of food is making me sick to my tummy my head is spinning and hurts I've freaking basicly stoped my life Monday when I decided to take him to the docs Tue.. I am so damn down on myself right now all the times I've yelled, cussed, spanked smacked my baby and now I find out he may have had NO controll over this and dont know better..

The thought of having a kid with a mental problem is bothering the hell out of me I know there is a lot worse that could of happen, he could be dead, or any number of worse things that kids go through....

Tom, adhd is NOT a mental problem. In most states it is consider as a medical issue and schools do not get any more money when a student is diagnosed with this illness. Yes, most teachers and administrators would like you to sedate your child to make their life easier and request drugs. However, you do not have to comply nor does the child.

With a true adhd, the drugs given are stimulates and do the reverse effect. I am not a doctor but if your child is not drinking anything with caffeine, try giving him a cup of coffee at night. If he falls asleep like a baby, he may be adhd and if he doesn?t, it may be that he is just acting out and needs more attention because he is hurting and doesn?t know how to express it.

Good luck and try to keep your little one off those drugs.

chase

Most mental disorders have a physical basis...so many of them aren't actually mental disorders, like the previous poster said, they just manifest themselves in ways that are commonly misconstrued as mental issues.
Take a deep breath, Tom. I know it's hard to stay calm, but that's what Anthony needs to see in you-that it is ok, and everything is under control. I'm sorry I missed your IM, and I hope you see this in the morning.
My step-son's mom is an asshole, too. She hasn't seen him in months...and while we haven't driven him out there, she knows where we live and hasn't lifted a finger to see him. That makes it a lot harder on you, because you have to be both parents at once...nurturer and disciplinarian, and it's a tough balance to strike. But it's obvious to me how much you care about your son, and you really need to stop beating yourself up. We all make mistakes in parenting. Nobody is perfect at this...the little buggers don't come with instructions, and they are all different, so what works for one won't work with another. You do the best you can, and don't get down on yourself for things you did before you started looking into this. We do have to teach them right from wrong, and we do have to teach them respect for authority, self-control, and all those things that will make them prodoctive adults. Having ADHD, or any other behavioural or chemical problems doesn't change that, so chances are what you did was fine, given the knowledge you had at the time.
Hugs,
Chase

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Get a 2nd opinion from a different doctor.

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try to do it without the drugs, go see other doctors, maybe see if any of them specialize in adhd and go talk to them

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THIS sounds so much like my son that it is almost scarey.... and it is ONLY at school, nowhere else. He is a very charming little boy in EVERY single setting but school and there he is really inward and not willing to talk to anyone about anything there. He gets frustrated with them easily and instead of having a fit like he would at home, he just slams shut and refuses to even speak to them.

We went thru hell when he was in 4th grade last year, the first semester of school, the teacher he had took his book away from him and threw it across the room, screamed at him and all sorts of shit, just a cruel old bitch all the way around. The book hit him as it was leaving him in her hands and she almost hit another kid when she did it, she threw his book all the way across the room to the garbage can.

THEN, check THIS shit out, they wanna tell me HE has ADHD after he shut down from a teacher throwing his shit across the room...... took me two weeks to get him with a new teacher and within a week he went from being 3 weeks behind (this other teacher had all of her students that far behind), to the top 5 in his class. He was at the bottom of his previous teacher's class, and quickly moved to the top in the other one, so NO ONE is going to tell me these teachers don't have anything to do with this shit. Some of them want Zombies and if they don't get them, they freak fucking out.

I absolutely, 100% refuse to put my son on drugs of ANY kind just so they don't have to deal with them. They are KIDS, my GOD!!! They don't want us to discipline them for shit, but it is ok for them to pop pills in their mouths and throw shit at them and so on? And this is ok? Fuck that!!

My son is 100% fine unless he has someone that raises their voices at him and then he completely shuts down.... this isn't ADHD, he just doesn't want to be yelled at, if you treat him cool and calm, that's what you get back, but yell at him and there is NOTHING to keep him from freaking out and getting horribly upset.