TNACash Shaving?

[timlover]

This is what I have, no BS...just the facts...

TNACash has been running an extra $100 contest for top sales for the day. According to their contest stats they have sold 147 memberships at 13.48 = $1981.46

$100 payouts on top of sales have totaled 31 webmasters = $3100.

Loss on this promotion = $1119

I have top placements at one of the search engines for teen kelly for past couple of months....

TNACash also went down on April 1st for a good portion of the day.

Teen Kelly Converison History:

2-16 to 2-31 = 1:19

3-1 to 3-15 = 1:28

3-16 to 3-31 = 1:76

4-1 to 4-16 = 0:818 <----comeon whats up with that!



Now I think I have cause to be concerned about the possibility of shaving in this instance when all of a sudden you jump to no sale ratios like that with the same high quality se traffic you have had for months.

Opinions please...and any other person who have noticed sketchy TNACash stats.....

I am just looking for other people to validate my concerns about the ratios......so I can make a choice on whether or not to stop promoting a program which might be shaving.

[BradM]

What about all the 1 or 2 sale a day guys like me?

Doubt it's shaving

[sixxxth_sense]

the thing is... when u stick with a sponsor for long, the longer ur with them the more they STICK TI TO YA!!!

[Oracle Porn]

huh?

[timlover]

well even the daily sales in general for the contest have gone down


04/08/04: BIFFEN - 2 sales
04/07/04: EAZE320 - 2 sales
04/06/04: ERONETWORK - 3 sales
04/05/04: ERONETWORK - 2 sales
04/04/04: ERONETWORK - 4 sales
04/03/04: PORKO, NATAXXX, 90210, SLICK - 2 sales
04/02/04: ERONETWORK - 4 sales
04/01/04: ERONETWORK - 3 sales
03/30/04: ERONETWORK - 7 sales
03/29/04: XXXPLAY - 6 sales
03/28/04: ERONETWORK - 4 sales
03/27/04: ERONETWORK - 4 sales
03/26/04: 90210 - 4 sales, ERONETWORK - 4 sales
03/25/04: RAGE69 - 4 sales
03/24/04: JSCOTT - 5 sales
03/23/04: PORKO - 4 sales, EAZE420 - 4 sales
03/22/04: PORKO - 7 sales
03/21/04: SLICK - 5 sales, ERONETWORK - 5 sales, 90210 - 5 sales
03/20/04: PORKO - 7 sales
03/19/04: PORKO - 5 sales
03/18/04: SLICK - 4 sales
03/17/04: PORKO - 4 sales
03/16/04: ERONETWORK - 6 sales
03/15/04: RAGE69 - 6 sales



and I am sure the guys that are making the 2 sales...are shoving much more traffic towards the program than I am.....

[Trax]

those stats would me me think i was getting shaved, too (assuming that i know my traffic very well)

but then again you got nothing... no real proof
if you dont like it or assume they shave you should just change the sponsor

[timlover]

kinda hard when you own the #2 spot at yahoo

http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=sl...8&p=teen+kelly

teen-kelly.net

domain would pretty much be worthless....

[integrated]

come on spill the beans and say which sponsor it is

[EddiePulp]

Unless u got hard evidence.. i wouldnt make accusations

[timlover]

I'm not making any accusations...

I was just asking for advice here on the board from other people here that promote them....

should I be concerned with those kind of stats...

I don't post here much at GFY and I know there are alot of big players who are more seasoned in dealing with this than me...

as I said...I'm just looking to validate my concerns about the stats.....because thats all you can do on this end....only way to get hard evidence is hack thier shit...and I'm not about all that..

but if I find that other webmasters are experiencing those kind of ratios...I can make my mind up alot easier personally about what I think is going on......

[boneprone]

Hmmm..

I heard TNA shaves if you are black, Asian, or Mexican..

I know this is a personal question, but are you black by any chance?? Im guessing you are becasue 0:800 is totally unbelievable!!! WOW.. 0:800..

My buddy who is white gets a shitload of signups with them. His ratio is really really good.. Mine is half as good as his.. Im thinking its becasue I am only half white....(half Asian)

But with your ratios Im guessing they have just found out you are probably 100% negro..

Perhaps initally the first few pay periods they assumed you were white, but clearly now they have you entered in as negro or black..

Id clear it up with them.. Or file a complaint here...

http://www.naacp.org

Its just sad to see a person's skin color and race determine how much they are shaved.

I mean really.

[timlover]

thanks BP....I will look into that and make sure I CC a copy of my complaint to you as well......for your records....

[boneprone]

Originally posted by timlover
thanks BP....I will look into that and make sure I CC a copy of my complaint to you as well......for your records....

No problem bro.

Nothing pisses me off more than racism..

Let me know how it goes.

Here is my icq..



130823758

[webgurl]

Originally posted by boneprone


No problem bro.

Nothing pisses me off more than racism..

Let me know how it goes.

Here is my icq..



130823758

hold my hands together we will fight the power brotha !!!

[integrated]

i highly doubt a program would do this just because one is a negro etc

[Strife]

Originally posted by integrated
come on spill the beans and say which sponsor it is

huh?

[BradM]

*urinates in his pants*

hahahahahahahahahah

[boneprone]

Originally posted by Strife


huh?

lol..

Not the brightest people here today it seems huh..

lol.. I love your reaction...

[boneprone]

Originally posted by integrated
i highly doubt a program would do this just because one is a negro etc

Depends...

What race are you?

[boneprone]

For the Record, TNA cash is one of the better programs out there.

My good firends Slick, and ERONETWORK do quite well with them..

I can assure you they are not shaving...

Even if you are Black, Asian, or Mexican..

Im thinking the person who started this thread is neither of these.

Probably just some clueless whiteboy.

[BradM]

Boneprone
Please advise

I am Canadian. Do they shave against our race?

[boneprone]

Originally posted by BradM
Boneprone
Please advise

I am Canadian. Do they shave against our race?

No..

Your value of your Dollar does that automatically already for you.

You should be glad TNA pays in US Dollars and not Canadian.

[BradM]

Okay good to know

[High Quality]

Its called market saturation man

Go to ANY thumb preview tgp

There will be 4 thumbs of kelly out of 32 on ANY daily update.

She's like 8 months old now.

Get a clue n00b.

[Trax]

[boneprone]

Originally posted by High Quality
Its called market saturation man

Go to ANY thumb preview tgp

There will be 4 thumbs of kelly out of 32 on ANY daily update.

She's like 8 months old now.

Get a clue n00b.

Hmmm..
But he does have a point...

Because these thumb preview sites still convert it VERY well..

But he doesnt..

Damn..

Im convinced..

He's negro.

[timlover]

obviously I am well aware of market saturation. I am also a SEO consultant....

ergo...my #2 rank which was #1 until a couple days ago...ranking at yahoo.

so to being with....saturatization of market has nothing to do with a site which draws exclusivley 98% from SE traffic the other 2% from my own sites which I deliver there.

secondly, the pay period conversion ratios go back further than that....and all have been consistent with low conversion ratios until the last pay period.

thirdly. my #2 #1 rankings at yahoo / google for peachez18.net (peachez18) and #1 rankings at yahoo for tiffany-teen (tiffany teen) & jennystar.net (jenny star) certainly are both medium level saturated markets and are still converting at the same ratios..

so that said..I am hardly a newbie when it comes to understanding the forces and dynamics of marketing and the quality of traffic from different sources.....se's and tgp.s....

I was simply asking if anyhahahaha else here had similar ratios with teenkelly in general because the amount of data I have to rely on to forecast sales in general for all my programs.....is not adding up for teen kelly conversions....

[integrated]

Originally posted by boneprone


Depends...

What race are you?

i'am a white australian

however, i have negro friends in this industry not one has every said they have been targeted becasue they were negros.

[timlover]

well I happen to be a very smart white boy who gets paid to know exactly what the market forces and demands are for search terms, conversion ratios and traffic quality....

therefore my concern when something deviates to such an extreme.

SE traffic has alot more stability and can be predicted to a certain degree of accuracy....

as you will see in the first 3 pay periods listed....

1:25 to 1:75 is an acceptable range for SE traffic with #1 positions.

0:800+ is not.

It would be like waking up one day and seeing that all the white boys started smoking Newports and all the black fellas started smoking Marlboros....

[Biggy2]

are the stats proprietary, or 3rd party?

[psyko514]

Originally posted by boneprone
Hmmm..

I heard TNA shaves if you are black, Asian, or Mexican..

I know this is a personal question, but are you black by any chance?? Im guessing you are becasue 0:800 is totally unbelievable!!! WOW.. 0:800..

My buddy who is white gets a shitload of signups with them. His ratio is really really good.. Mine is half as good as his.. Im thinking its becasue I am only half white....(half Asian)

But with your ratios Im guessing they have just found out you are probably 100% negro..

Perhaps initally the first few pay periods they assumed you were white, but clearly now they have you entered in as negro or black..

Id clear it up with them.. Or file a complaint here...

http://www.naacp.org

Its just sad to see a person's skin color and race determine how much they are shaved.

I mean really.

[Veterans Day]

were you expecting something different when they left ccbill and went to their own program?

[integrated]

Originally posted by Veterans Day
were you expecting something different when they left ccbill and went to their own program?

LIBEL

i dont like the direction you are taking this

[Veterans Day]

Originally posted by integrated


LIBEL

i dont like the direction you are taking this

I will be waiting for the court date.

[- Jesus Christ -]

TnA cash shaves (woah sponsors really do that? OMG!)

integrated is still annoying


and boneprone is insane.



Thread score 6.7/10

[dougeetx]

Originally posted by boneprone
Hmmm..

I heard TNA shaves if you are black, Asian, or Mexican..

I know this is a personal question, but are you black by any chance?? Im guessing you are becasue 0:800 is totally unbelievable!!! WOW.. 0:800..

My buddy who is white gets a shitload of signups with them. His ratio is really really good.. Mine is half as good as his.. Im thinking its becasue I am only half white....(half Asian)

But with your ratios Im guessing they have just found out you are probably 100% negro..

Perhaps initally the first few pay periods they assumed you were white, but clearly now they have you entered in as negro or black..

Id clear it up with them.. Or file a complaint here...

http://www.naacp.org

Its just sad to see a person's skin color and race determine how much they are shaved.

I mean really.

lol! *puff* *puff* *give* BP! You're fuquing up the rotation!

[DarkJedi]

Originally posted by Biggy2
are the stats proprietary, or 3rd party?

They were with CCbill but then installed their own program.
Go figure.

[GotGauge]

You have a nice listing on Yahoo which is pulling you about 60-100 hits a day. There are a number of factors that could lead to your changed ratio.
I as well have had weeks with bad ratios to sponsors, but in the end the ratios seem to level off...

Your math didn?t take into account the vast number of affiliates we have that send us 1, and 2 sales a day in many cases. On front page stats, we have less than several thousand total SE hits to Teen Kelly this month.

We did have a database crash on April 1st. Since then, we have been fixing the stats. All clicks and sales have been tracking, but at various times there have been issues with them displaying correctly in the affiliate area. Much of this has been attributed to our rapid growth, which we are constantly upgrading our systems to support.

We are currently working with CCBill to verify that everything was accounted for correctly. We are moving to a completely updated tracking system (Monolith) at the beginning of our next pay cycle on the 15th which will provide you with more information on where your sales are coming from.

We are planning on making a statement in the news section and by email once we know that everything has been double checked and accounted for. If you feel there is anything additional that is wrong with your account, please feel free to contact any of us over at TNACASH

[Mike-BP]

Originally posted by integrated
come on spill the beans and say which sponsor it is

next time better READ the topic before posting eh?

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by boneprone
Hmmm..

I heard TNA shaves if you are black, Asian, or Mexican..

Its just sad to see a person's skin color and race determine how much they are shaved.

I mean really.

You would think they would be smarter than this.

The risk-to-reward ratio on shaving asians wouldn't be very good figuring that asians usually have a small amount of hair compared to other ethnicities.

I mean really.

[timlover]

Originally posted by GotGauge
You have a nice listing on Yahoo which is pulling you about 60-100 hits a day. There are a number of factors that could lead to your changed ratio.
I as well have had weeks with bad ratios to sponsors, but in the end the ratios seem to level off...

Your math didn?t take into account the vast number of affiliates we have that send us 1, and 2 sales a day in many cases. On front page stats, we have less than several thousand total SE hits to Teen Kelly this month.

We did have a database crash on April 1st. Since then, we have been fixing the stats. All clicks and sales have been tracking, but at various times there have been issues with them displaying correctly in the affiliate area. Much of this has been attributed to our rapid growth, which we are constantly upgrading our systems to support.

We are currently working with CCBill to verify that everything was accounted for correctly. We are moving to a completely updated tracking system (Monolith) at the beginning of our next pay cycle on the 15th which will provide you with more information on where your sales are coming from.

We are planning on making a statement in the news section and by email once we know that everything has been double checked and accounted for. If you feel there is anything additional that is wrong with your account, please feel free to contact any of us over at TNACASH

well I think an email to the affiliates or a post on the TNACash site might have been a good idea. Most webmasters who are skilled enough.....pay very close attention to their stats and can tell when something isn't right. A good explanation upfront helps displace webmasters from having to come up with their own conclusions or theories about whats going on.

I would say the stats are still messed up though.

Last night when I posted this it said I had one chargeback and no sales.....the same chargeback all week had been $13.48. Now the chargeback says $6.74(1) plus it says I have 2 sales.

I don't mind the sales....but where in the heck in the system is $6.74 a related number anywhere? Of course I'd rather have a $6.74 chargeback than a $13.48....but I just want to make sure stuff is running right....

Thanks for your response on this issue as well...

[timlover]

and in any regards...its nice to know that you aren't shaving me.

bad stats with companies that move to their own system....when it still uses ccbill for the processing......leaves the door open to alot of questions.....

[fishhead]

kelly is hot... i've been selling the site since end of december with mixed results.. intital signups were pretty good but recurring has been otherwise unspectacular...

But she is so hot i would like to lick her inner thighs for a good while.. tell her that.

[boneprone]

I just want to give one last prop for TNA cash...

On Martin Luther King day they doubled payouts for Negro webmasters.. And on Chineese New Years they doubled payouts to Asians.. Class act in my opinion..

With the 5th of May upcoming, it will be intresting to see if TNA cash doubles payouts for Mexican webmasters on Chico DeMyao.

[SEXYBIATCH]

HAHAHA Cinco DeMayo!!

[Nickless]

Looks like someone from perfectioncash brought his expertise over to tna?

[Keev]

TNACash is good program ran by standup people...

Even if there was a problem they would make it right and I put my name behind them guys.